View Full Version : Is Kevin Martin a superstar?
If you ask me he's not even a top 15 player, much less a superstar.
Ditty
10-13-2010, 03:24 PM
is this a joke... hell no
noob cake
10-13-2010, 03:25 PM
no
crc21209
10-13-2010, 03:46 PM
Uh...no.
ohmwrecker
10-13-2010, 03:53 PM
If you ask me he's not even a top 15 player, much less a superstar.
If he was a top 15 player, he would be a superstar.
DUNCANownsKOBE2
10-13-2010, 05:29 PM
I'd love to see how K-Mart owns Wade like Rocketfan claimed in the "ZOMG we can beat LA without Bynum and Kobe!" thread.
DesignatedT
10-13-2010, 05:31 PM
fuck no
Back2BackInThe90sFTW
10-13-2010, 05:33 PM
He is easily a top 5 player in the game today,if you think otherwise you're retarded.
Back2BackInThe90sFTW
10-13-2010, 05:33 PM
Spurfan just mad cause htey can't go teh back to back :lol
sefant77
10-13-2010, 05:48 PM
who?
noob cake
10-13-2010, 05:50 PM
He is easily a top 5 player in the game today,if you think otherwise you're retarded.
Nice troll account
DaDakota
10-13-2010, 05:52 PM
No, but I have very strict standards, there are only like 7 superstars in the league.
KMart is a star though.
DD
DeadlyDynasty
10-13-2010, 05:55 PM
better question: is Kevin Martin a go-to guy?
The Franchise
10-13-2010, 05:58 PM
No, he isn't a superstar. There aren't many of them in the league, but he is putting up easily comparable numbers to a lot of these allstars, and better numbers in some cases.
btw, all top15 players (whoever you stick in there, objectively speaking of course) are superstars.
ohmwrecker
10-13-2010, 06:14 PM
btw, all top15 players (whoever you stick in there, objectively speaking of course) are superstars.
That's what I am saying. Whoever said there are only seven needs to name names.
picc84
10-13-2010, 06:17 PM
He is easily a top 5 player in the game today,if you think otherwise you're retarded.
1st lesson of trolling: Never go full retard
The Franchise
10-13-2010, 06:20 PM
btw, all top15 players (whoever you stick in there, objectively speaking of course) are superstars.
Wade, Kobe, Lebron, and Durant are the level of player I consider superstars. The rest are below that tier, so I can't give them that distinction.
Iceman101
10-13-2010, 06:25 PM
No, but I have very strict standards, there are only like 7 superstars in the league.
KMart is a star though.
DD
No, he is an ALL STAR at best, that doesn't mean he is a star. Look at Mo Williams, somehow he got to be an all star, and he is pure garbage
Koolaid_Man
10-13-2010, 06:39 PM
If you ask me he's not even a top 15 player, much less a superstar.
martin can prolly lock wade the fuck up...
Iceman101
10-13-2010, 06:43 PM
martin can prolly lock wade the fuck up...
Naw, D-Whistle is nicknamed that for a reason. Martin is shitty on defense anyway
Double-Up
10-13-2010, 06:45 PM
martin can prolly lock wade the fuck up...
:lol
#41 Shoot Em Up
10-13-2010, 08:02 PM
If you ask me he's not even a top 15 player, much less a superstar.
Thats like asking if ace is a top poster on this forum.........what do you think
dirk4mvp
10-13-2010, 08:06 PM
:lmao Kevin Martin isn't anywhere near superstar level
Ditty
10-13-2010, 08:07 PM
Thats like asking if #41 Shoot Em Up gets pussy .........what do you think
:lmao
martin can prolly lock wade the fuck up...
Probably? Can you back this claim or you just making it up as usual? I can't recall one time you've provided numbers to anything.
:lmao
We know he doesn't :lmao
Wade can't sell tickets, and Durant cant start on an all-star team. Kobe and James are the only true Superstars. I wonder how Wade feels now that he's seen James still his show before the season even starts...:lol
That post makes no sense.
Giuseppe
10-13-2010, 08:44 PM
Martin is pretty weak mentally.
He possesses nary a trace of self discipline and the moment he's resisted he'll commiss to chucking.
It made no sense for Houston to pursue his acquisition. I've never understood it. He's not for them. At all.
Indazone
10-13-2010, 08:51 PM
Martin is there to play the Reggie Miller role. Come off screens and shoot the three, make cuts and dish to open players or dump in down low to Scola or Yao. His three point shooting is the main reason that Morey got him cause double teams on Yao will open up a perimeter player to take wide open shots.
Will Hunting
10-13-2010, 08:57 PM
Martin is there to play the Reggie Miller role. Come off screens and shoot the three, make cuts and dish to open players or dump in down low to Scola or Yao. His three point shooting is the main reason that Morey got him cause double teams on Yao will open up a perimeter player to take wide open shots.
Hey Scola rules fuckstick, Yao isn't gonna get doubled when he's on the sidelines.
Indazone
10-13-2010, 09:00 PM
Without Yao, it'll be Brad Miller or Jordan Hill in the post alongside Scola and that team is going to run. That is another variation that the offense will be keyed through Brooks and Martin. Still lots of points to be put up.
Will Hunting
10-13-2010, 09:02 PM
Without Yao, it'll be Brad Miller
:lmao:lmao:lmao
Without Yao, it'll be Brad Miller or Jordan Hill in the post alongside Scola and that team is going to run. That is another variation that the offense will be keyed through Brooks and Martin. Still lots of points to be put up.
:lol
Whose troll is this?
#41 Shoot Em Up
10-13-2010, 09:15 PM
:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao Stick to your internet "game" and I use that term loosely , and maybe one day you'll find some girl online desperate enough to take your virginity:toast
Good luck
Giuseppe
10-13-2010, 09:21 PM
Martin is there to play the Reggie Miller role. Come off screens and shoot the three, make cuts and dish to open players or dump in down low to Scola or Yao. His three point shooting is the main reason that Morey got him cause double teams on Yao will open up a perimeter player to take wide open shots.
You were in a straight line until you got the hots for Ariza. That initiated your downward spiral. I didn't understand it at the time. Then you got even more bizarre with this Martin love affair. These 2 players were not of the stock you'd been putting up. You went sideways all the sudden.
:lmao:lmao:lmao Stick to your internet "game" and I use that term loosely , and maybe one day you'll find some girl online desperate enough to take your virginity:toast
Good luck
It's pretty obvious you're still holding on to that hope.
angrydude
10-13-2010, 09:28 PM
Kevin Martin is a borderline all-star depending on the year he's having. He can be good if in the right situation, but he doesn't have the presence or game to carry anything by himself.
Since everyone can pretty much agree than Martin is a borderline all-star at best, does that mean the Rockets have no superstar? Can't really count Yao and I wouldn't really anyways since he can barely play 30 games a year.
ohmwrecker
10-13-2010, 09:36 PM
Since everyone can pretty much agree than Martin is a borderline all-star at best, does that mean the Rockets have no superstar? Can't really count Yao and I wouldn't really anyways since he can barely play 30 games a year.
The People's Republic of China disagrees.
Giuseppe
10-13-2010, 09:38 PM
The People's Republic of China disagrees.
Led by Premier Hussein Obama.
tee, hee.
ohmwrecker
10-13-2010, 09:40 PM
Led by Premier Hussein Obama.
tee, hee.
If that were true, it would be a pretty sweet deal for the good ol' US of A considering China owns our ass.
Giuseppe
10-13-2010, 09:42 PM
The next time Hussein Obama does good for the good ol' US of A would be the first time.
badfish22
10-13-2010, 09:43 PM
Spurfan just mad cause htey can't go teh back to back :lol
:lmao
DeadlyDynasty
10-13-2010, 09:44 PM
Since everyone can pretty much agree than Martin is a borderline all-star at best, does that mean the Rockets have no superstar? Can't really count Yao and I wouldn't really anyways since he can barely play 30 games a year.
An EC team's fan creates a thread dissing the Rockets, for some inexplicable reason...where have I seen this before...
Welcome back, ThunderDan!:toast
Jose Canseco
10-13-2010, 09:46 PM
A better question is whether Kevin Martin is even just a "star" period in the NBA. The answer is still probably no. He is an above average scorer and that's it. I think good comparison might be Dale Ellis. Good scorer, had a nice long career as a good scorer. Made one all star game in a 15+ year career. No other special individual honors or awards.
Kevin Martin has been in the league 6 seasons now. No all stars, no individual honors. One post-season where he played 4th fiddle and did an "ok" job as a second year player. He'd do really well for himself if he had a Dale Ellis type career.
Giuseppe
10-13-2010, 09:48 PM
^ The goods, Pt. II.
Ditty
10-13-2010, 09:56 PM
:lmao:lmao:lmao Stick to your internet "game" and I use that term loosely , and maybe one day you'll find some girl online desperate enough to take your virginity:toast
Good luck
:cry didn't you hear me the other night at your house
HeatBurn305
10-13-2010, 09:59 PM
The next time Hussein Obama does good for the good ol' US of A would be the first time.
....the chloroform rag withstanding.
tee, hee
Jelloisjigglin
10-13-2010, 10:01 PM
Oh hell no.
An EC team's fan creates a thread dissing the Rockets, for some inexplicable reason...where have I seen this before...
Welcome back, ThunderDan!:toast
Rocketfan thinks Martin is better than Wade and the Rockets can beat both Lakers and the Heat.
Koolaid_Man
10-13-2010, 10:17 PM
Probably? Can you back this claim or you just making it up as usual? I can't recall one time you've provided numbers to anything.
cept for dat post indicating Wade was not even in the top 25 mid-range gamers...not even top 25....:lol...operative number is 25...:lol
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/07/top-25-mid-range-shooters/
DE2NgSCviFU
cept for dat post indicating Wade was not even in the top 25 mid-range gamers...not even top 25....:lol...operative number is 25...:lol
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/07/top-25-mid-range-shooters/
DE2NgSCviFU
You mean the article? Let's see some stats.
Latarian Milton
10-13-2010, 10:26 PM
he's unarguably a top50 player at least.
Quit Hatin'
10-13-2010, 10:27 PM
and just like clevland fans, miami fans live off of stats and not results.
Quit Hatin'
Latarian Milton
10-13-2010, 10:35 PM
is kevin martin a superstar? definitely not. however he is expected to work like a superstar for the rockets because he's the best player on their roster, which also illustrates plainness of their squad tbh.
and just like clevland fans, miami fans live off of stats and not results.
Quit Hatin'
I can say Lebron is a better all around player than Kobe and provide numbers, what can you say? Kobe coat tailed Shaq and Gasol.
#41 Shoot Em Up
10-13-2010, 10:52 PM
:cry didn't you hear me the other night at your house
Don't worry bro one day you'll feel like a man. Until then keep jerking off to your facebook girlfriends and watch porn, should hold you over until the day you become a man:toast
ElNono
10-13-2010, 10:52 PM
Pretty weak troll attempt, IMO
BoricuaCJA
10-13-2010, 10:52 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/zangief_piledriver_fatgirl.gif
Quit Hatin'
10-13-2010, 11:33 PM
I can say Lebron is a better all around player than Kobe and provide numbers, what can you say? Kobe coat tailed Shaq and Gasol.
Heres a stat 5-0. Chew on that.
Quit Hatin'
HarlemHeat37
10-13-2010, 11:34 PM
Your numbers prove that the Lakers franchise is better than the Cavaliers franchise..I would agree with that, good job..baby steps..
Quit Hatin'
10-13-2010, 11:36 PM
I can say Lebron is a better all around player than Kobe and provide numbers, what can you say? Kobe coat tailed Shaq and Gasol.
So is wade riding lebron's cotails or is lebron riding wade's. pick your poison bro.
Quit Hatin'
Quit Hatin'
10-13-2010, 11:43 PM
You think lebron puts up the same stats on a loaded team? theres a reason why he got how ever many points and however many assits. the cavliers franchise built the team around lebron to the best of their ability. surrounded him with shooter so he gets assits and weak rebounders so he gets boards. So now hes on a team where you got a player similar to lebron with the same weaknesses. tbh lebron's either gonna make wade into a mo williams or wade is gonna make lebron a quinton richardson.
Quit Hatin'
duhoh
10-14-2010, 12:12 AM
you answered your own question in OP
Hell no. I would consider Kevin Martin's ability to get points elite, be it shooting, driving, or getting to the free-throw line. everything else he is average to below average to sub par (defense).
Kevin Martin right now is a good scorer. I really think that he's a lot like a prime Allan Houston
LkrFan
10-14-2010, 06:31 AM
He has a better jumper than DWhistle :lol. He's not as ball dominant as DWhistle nor does he have the respect of the refs that "DWhistle" gets.
I think he moves really well without the ball and he has a nice jumper. He's decent, but definitely not a superstar. I like his game though.
Speaking of DWhistle. If you take away his FTAs from mostly bogus calls, is he really a superstar? He's a referee manufactured superstar. No doubt about it.
Double-Up
10-14-2010, 07:07 AM
He has a better jumper than DWhistle :lol. He's not as ball dominant as DWhistle nor does he have the respect of the refs that "DWhistle" gets.
I think he moves really well without the ball and he has a nice jumper. He's decent, but definitely not a superstar. I like his game though.
Speaking of DWhistle. If you take away his FTAs from mostly bogus calls, is he really a superstar? He's a referee manufactured superstar. No doubt about it.
Same thing applies to Kobe but lakerfan can't see that.
So is wade riding lebron's cotails or is lebron riding wade's. pick your poison bro.
Quit Hatin'
You really can't be this stupid we've already gone over this.
You think lebron puts up the same stats on a loaded team? theres a reason why he got how ever many points and however many assits. the cavliers franchise built the team around lebron to the best of their ability. surrounded him with shooter so he gets assits and weak rebounders so he gets boards. So now hes on a team where you got a player similar to lebron with the same weaknesses. tbh lebron's either gonna make wade into a mo williams or wade is gonna make lebron a quinton richardson.
Quit Hatin'
In this post you say they put the best team around they could but then go to say they surrounded him with poor rebounders. The more you the more it amazes me that you even know how to use a computer.
He has a better jumper than DWhistle :lol. He's not as ball dominant as DWhistle nor does he have the respect of the refs that "DWhistle" gets.
I think he moves really well without the ball and he has a nice jumper. He's decent, but definitely not a superstar. I like his game though.
Speaking of DWhistle. If you take away his FTAs from mostly bogus calls, is he really a superstar? He's a referee manufactured superstar. No doubt about it.
What does say about Kobe who shoots more FTs as a jump shooter?
Giuseppe
10-14-2010, 09:13 AM
He's a 5 time NBA World Champion.
& you're a rat.
He's a 5 time NBA World Champion.
& you're a rat.
Link?
Iceman101
10-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Scola should be the go to man, tbh
Giuseppe
10-14-2010, 10:12 AM
Martin would get his back up. You're just lucky he's being as patient as he is waiting for Yao to go away of his own volition.
Quit Hatin'
10-14-2010, 10:36 AM
You really can't be this stupid we've already gone over this.
In this post you say they put the best team around they could but then go to say they surrounded him with poor rebounders. The more you the more it amazes me that you even know how to use a computer.
First of all I am arguing why he got the stats that you are so concerned about. Clevland made sure lebron got his and didn't care about no one else. They advertised him as some one that can get 30 points 6 Rebs 7 assists but nothin else in terms of winning.
Secondly you are pathetic and a goddam hypocrite. Acording to you Kobe is riding the cotails of a bigman, yet you refuse to anwser my question as to who's riding who's coatail on the heat. You say it's wade's team and then you say lebron is the best player in the world. Here's a fact you wouldn't be posting on this forum if lebron didn't make his decision to go to the heat. Lol bandwagoner. Be careful what you wish for.
Quit Hatin'
TinTin
10-14-2010, 10:40 AM
:lol laker fan criticizing others for join dates
Brazil
10-14-2010, 10:41 AM
Since everyone can pretty much agree than Martin is a borderline all-star at best, does that mean the Rockets have no superstar? Can't really count Yao and I wouldn't really anyways since he can barely play 30 games a year.
Aaron Brooks is more a super star than KM
Giuseppe
10-14-2010, 10:42 AM
& you need to quit rattin'.
Rummpd
10-14-2010, 10:45 AM
Charles B. said a few years ago there were only three TRUE superstars in the NBA - Duncan, Shaq and Kobe as they were the only true media acclaimed superstars each with multiple titles where they were true major cogs or contributors on those titles. Wade, Pierce and Garnett can make a case for at least calling themselves superstars under that definition with a single title when they made a significant contribution but UNTIL James, Durant, Nash, Dirk and others dominate enough in the playoffs to win at least a single title for their team PLEASE stop referring to them as superstars. TRUE superstars prove their worth and win titles by making others on their teams better!
(Martin is not even in the discussion)
Giuseppe
10-14-2010, 10:48 AM
Duncan being the weak member of the above trio. Repeating is a boiler plate that separates Daddy & Kobe from Duncan, and I'll go a step further, separates Kobe from Daddy as Bryant has now repeated not once, but, twice.
Leetonidas
10-14-2010, 10:51 AM
Duncan being the weak member of the above trio. Repeating is a boiler plate that separates Daddy & Kobe from Duncan, and I'll go a step further, separates Kobe from Daddy as Bryant has now repeated not once, but, twice.
Not really. 4 > 2, sorry pedo.
Hell one could argue Bryant has ZERO titles as the main option on his team. lol 6-24 in Game 7
apalisoc_9
10-14-2010, 10:54 AM
Yes.
Rummpd
10-14-2010, 10:57 AM
Duncan being the weak member of the above trio. Repeating is a boiler plate that separates Daddy & Kobe from Duncan, and I'll go a step further, separates Kobe from Daddy as Bryant has now repeated not once, but, twice.
Duncan has been the "man" on four titles, and Kobe on only two,and a Duncan led team has never failed to make the playoffs. As great as Kobe is when starting a team in their primes, gimme Duncan any day over him as he made all around him truly better. Nothing against Kobe, who is an all time great but Duncan is greater.
Giuseppe
10-14-2010, 11:19 AM
All well & good, but, Bryant has repeated not once, but, twice. Duncan's failure, his stain to his legacy will be his chronic inability to mark twice in-a-row.
Count him fortunate that he's stationed in Texas. He's got a soft seat there. Let Kobe try that stunt in L.A.,,,they'd a ate him alive.
Giuseppe
10-14-2010, 11:20 AM
Not really. 4 > 2, sorry pedo.
Hell one could argue Bryant has ZERO titles as the main option on his team. lol 6-24 in Game 7
tee, hee. I knew I'd get ya's to come down here from the main room.
lmcontrollinao!
First of all I am arguing why he got the stats that you are so concerned about. Clevland made sure lebron got his and didn't care about no one else. They advertised him as some one that can get 30 points 6 Rebs 7 assists but nothin else in terms of winning.
Secondly you are pathetic and a goddam hypocrite. Acording to you Kobe is riding the cotails of a bigman, yet you refuse to anwser my question as to who's riding who's coatail on the heat. You say it's wade's team and then you say lebron is the best player in the world. Here's a fact you wouldn't be posting on this forum if lebron didn't make his decision to go to the heat. Lol bandwagoner. Be careful what you wish for.
Quit Hatin'
Its obvious you don't really watch basketball or seem to simple logic. Lol butthurt gimmick
Martin makes about 9 free throws a game, IIRC. I love his ability to get to the stripe.
Baseline
10-14-2010, 04:31 PM
After this season would be the time to ask the question.
HarlemHeat37
10-14-2010, 04:34 PM
He's in the top 5 most annoying players to watch in the league IMO..
Iceman101
10-14-2010, 04:35 PM
He's in the top 5 most annoying players to watch in the league IMO..
Chris Paul should take up all five on those spots
DeadlyDynasty
10-14-2010, 04:35 PM
He's in the top 5 most annoying players to watch in the league IMO..
why? just curious
HarlemHeat37
10-14-2010, 04:44 PM
He exploits the handchecking rules more than any player in the NBA, only Maggette comes close..It's more annoying than the usual flopping, because guys like Maggette and Martin wouldn't be much in the NBA without their ability to draw fouls, they don't really do anything else at a high level..
They have the right to do it, don't get me wrong..if the system is in place, everybody should be trying to exploit it..however, it does make them really annoying to watch..
Venti Quattro
10-14-2010, 06:49 PM
Nooope.
benefactor
01-29-2011, 11:30 PM
lol superstar
lol 10pt first quarter then three quarters of ofer.
sefant77
01-30-2011, 12:16 AM
One of the best examples for "empty stats"
Jason Kidd has probably a higher positive impact in a 3/5/8 game than Kevin Martin in his typical 25/2 games...
hater
01-30-2011, 12:17 AM
KM would be a good weapon as a 3rd best player or 6th man in a contending team. nothing more.
redzero
01-30-2011, 12:38 AM
He exploits the handchecking rules more than any player in the NBA, only Maggette comes close..It's more annoying than the usual flopping, because guys like Maggette and Martin wouldn't be much in the NBA without their ability to draw fouls, they don't really do anything else at a high level..
They have the right to do it, don't get me wrong..if the system is in place, everybody should be trying to exploit it..however, it does make them really annoying to watch..
I'll have to agree with this months old post. Martin is good at getting to the line. He does nothing else except score efficiently.
8FOR!3
01-30-2011, 01:08 AM
LOL who the fuck is Kevin Martin?
The Reckoning
01-30-2011, 01:09 AM
Aaron Brooks is more a super star than KM
:lol
they both suck. but id give it more to martin because he's less of a pussy.
LkrFan
01-30-2011, 01:49 AM
Let's see what NBA hotspots has to say. Disclaimer: there is no data from this season. The data used is from last season. Let me proceed:
3pt Land
K-Mart: 22/48 - 45.8%
D-Whistle: 5/25 - 25% (pathetic for a SG)
"Just inside 3pt lane"
K-Mart: 76/190 - 40%
D-Whistle: 131/366 - 35.7%
"Midrange Game"
K-Mart: 37/100 - 37%
D-Whistle: 99/246 - 40.2%
"At the rim"
K-Mart: 96/179 - 53.6%
D-Whistle: 405/639 - 63.4% (shocking, really)
Points Per Game
K-Mart: 23.3 ppg
D-Whistle: 25.3 ppg (he is only 2 points better K-Mart)
**Bonus: Free Throws**
FTAs
K-Mart: 401 FTAs, shooting 88% (in 46 games)
D-Whistle: 390 FTAs, shooting 73.1% (in 42 games)
FTMs/game
K-Mart: 8.7 (37.4% of his ppg)
D-Whistle: 9.3 (36.8% of his ppg)
In summary, D-Whistle is red hot at the rim and the free throw line. From 3pt land and just inside he is pathetic. D-Whistle has a reputation which gives him much leeway with the refs. Take away his shots at the rim and he is shooting a pathetic 36.8%. Problem is, he is strong, and the refs call "touch fouls" on him (no wonder he is 2nd in the league in FTAs - which is "impressive" for a shooting guard that can't shoot). Both D-Whistle and K-Mart get to the line a peculiar amount of times for shooting guards. I say this because they both shoot more per game than Kobe which is a joke in itself.
To answer Ace, K-Mart is not a superstar. But then again neither is D-Whistle without referee help. If the NBA outlawed dunking and "touch fouls," would we really be talking about this dude? :wakeup
Here are my two sources:
Hot Spots (http://www.nba.com/hotspots/) and BSPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/free-throws/sort/avgFreeThrowsAttempted)
HarlemHeat37
01-30-2011, 03:01 AM
:lol Laker fan only focusing on scoring, ignoring everything else..not surprising..
jestersmash
01-30-2011, 03:07 AM
Let's see what NBA hotspots has to say. Disclaimer: there is no data from this season. The data used is from last season. Let me proceed:
3pt Land
K-Mart: 22/48 - 45.8%
D-Whistle: 5/25 - 25% (pathetic for a SG)
"Just inside 3pt lane"
K-Mart: 76/190 - 40%
D-Whistle: 131/366 - 35.7%
"Midrange Game"
K-Mart: 37/100 - 37%
D-Whistle: 99/246 - 40.2%
"At the rim"
K-Mart: 96/179 - 53.6%
D-Whistle: 405/639 - 63.4% (shocking, really)
Points Per Game
K-Mart: 23.3 ppg
D-Whistle: 25.3 ppg (he is only 2 points better K-Mart)
**Bonus: Free Throws**
FTAs
K-Mart: 401 FTAs, shooting 88% (in 46 games)
D-Whistle: 390 FTAs, shooting 73.1% (in 42 games)
FTMs/game
K-Mart: 8.7 (37.4% of his ppg)
D-Whistle: 9.3 (36.8% of his ppg)
In summary, D-Whistle is red hot at the rim and the free throw line. From 3pt land and just inside he is pathetic. D-Whistle has a reputation which gives him much leeway with the refs. Take away his shots at the rim and he is shooting a pathetic 36.8%. Problem is, he is strong, and the refs call "touch fouls" on him (no wonder he is 2nd in the league in FTAs - which is "impressive" for a shooting guard that can't shoot). Both D-Whistle and K-Mart get to the line a peculiar amount of times for shooting guards. I say this because they both shoot more per game than Kobe which is a joke in itself.
To answer Ace, K-Mart is not a superstar. But then again neither is D-Whistle without referee help. If the NBA outlawed dunking and "touch fouls," would we really be talking about this dude? :wakeup
Here are my two sources:
Hot Spots (http://www.nba.com/hotspots/) and BSPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/free-throws/sort/avgFreeThrowsAttempted)
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LkrFan
01-30-2011, 04:47 AM
:lol Laker fan only focusing on scoring, ignoring everything else..not surprising..
Ok, you got me. D-Whistle averages more points (+2), more rebounds (+3.7), more assists (+1.9), and more steals (+0.6) than K-Mart. Why? Because he dominates the ball and has more respect from the refs. K-Mart shoots at a better clip from 3pt land, "just inside 3pt land," mid range, and FT% - all these are tangible qualities of a true shooting guard's game. Another difference? D-Whistle is more aggressive and stronger than K-Mart. Touch fouls will inevitably turn into SportsCenter highlight dunks, FTAs, or And-1s. In other words, he will always get his points.
If we were comparing who the most explosive player is of the two, it's D-Whistle hands down. But when we talk about pure skill as a shooting guard, I'd take K-Mart over him. Just watch the two times they played Boston to see what I'm saying. In game one he was 4/16 (and people like to clown Kobe's 6/24 effort and ignore Kobe's 15 rebounds in that same game :lol). In game two he fared no better: 2/12 :lol. I'm not the smartest dude, but that's a combined 6/28 :lmao. Why is this happening? Because he's a streaky outside shooter at best, he has a mediocre midrange game (but he can dunk!!) :lol.
Truth be told, I'd be foolish to say D-Whistle is a scrub. He's far from it. It's just that he is not as good as people say he is. He'll get his points because he is aggressive and strong. He's 28. The clock is ticking on him playing his "smash mouth" style of basketball. He is very one dimensional. Once that athleticism is gone, so will myth that he is a true superstar.
HarlemHeat37
01-30-2011, 04:51 AM
If we were comparing who the most explosive player is of the two, it's D-Whistle hands down. But when we talk about pure skill as a shooting guard, I'd take K-Mart over him. Just watch when the two times they played Boston to see what I'm saying. In game one he was 4/16 (and people like to clown Kobe's 6/24 effort and ignore Kobe's 15 rebounds in that same game :lol). In game two he fared no better: 2/12 :lol. I'm not the smartest dude, but that's a combined 6/28 :lmao. Why is this happening? Because he's a streaky outside shooter at best, he has a mediocre midrange game (but he can []dunk]!!) :lol.
Truth be told, I'd be foolish to say D-Whistle is a scrub. He's far from it. It's just that he is not as good as people say he is. He'll get his points because he is aggressive and strong. He's 28. The clock is ticking on him playing his "smash mouth" style of basketball. He is very one dimensional. Once that athleticism is gone, so will myth that he is a true superstar.
Finally, we found something that we can agree on..
LkrFan
01-30-2011, 04:52 AM
Finally, we found something that we can agree on..
Damn HH, you cut me really deep there.:depressed
:lol
Let's see what NBA hotspots has to say. Disclaimer: there is no data from this season. The data used is from last season. Let me proceed:
3pt Land
K-Mart: 22/48 - 45.8%
D-Whistle: 5/25 - 25% (pathetic for a SG)
"Just inside 3pt lane"
K-Mart: 76/190 - 40%
D-Whistle: 131/366 - 35.7%
"Midrange Game"
K-Mart: 37/100 - 37%
D-Whistle: 99/246 - 40.2%
"At the rim"
K-Mart: 96/179 - 53.6%
D-Whistle: 405/639 - 63.4% (shocking, really)
Points Per Game
K-Mart: 23.3 ppg
D-Whistle: 25.3 ppg (he is only 2 points better K-Mart)
**Bonus: Free Throws**
FTAs
K-Mart: 401 FTAs, shooting 88% (in 46 games)
D-Whistle: 390 FTAs, shooting 73.1% (in 42 games)
FTMs/game
K-Mart: 8.7 (37.4% of his ppg)
D-Whistle: 9.3 (36.8% of his ppg)
In summary, D-Whistle is red hot at the rim and the free throw line. From 3pt land and just inside he is pathetic. D-Whistle has a reputation which gives him much leeway with the refs. Take away his shots at the rim and he is shooting a pathetic 36.8%. Problem is, he is strong, and the refs call "touch fouls" on him (no wonder he is 2nd in the league in FTAs - which is "impressive" for a shooting guard that can't shoot). Both D-Whistle and K-Mart get to the line a peculiar amount of times for shooting guards. I say this because they both shoot more per game than Kobe which is a joke in itself.
To answer Ace, K-Mart is not a superstar. But then again neither is D-Whistle without referee help. If the NBA outlawed dunking and "touch fouls," would we really be talking about this dude? :wakeup
Here are my two sources:
Hot Spots (http://www.nba.com/hotspots/) and BSPN (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/free-throws/sort/avgFreeThrowsAttempted)
So Martin is a better three point shooter and draws more fouls, while everywhere else Wade is much better. Thanks for spending your Sat night to tell us that.
BTW...
Kobe
PPG 25.1
APG 4.9
RPG 5
FG% 46
3pt% 30
Wade
PPG 25.3
APG 4.2
RPG 6.7
FG% 49
3pt% 30
Wade > Kobe :lol
TDMVPDPOY
01-30-2011, 11:26 AM
so where was kmart lastn night??
Ok, you got me. D-Whistle averages more points (+2), more rebounds (+3.7), more assists (+1.9), and more steals (+0.6) than K-Mart. Why? Because he dominates the ball and has more respect from the refs. Dominating the ball is why he rebounds better, gets more assists and more steals? :lmao
K-Mart shoots at a better clip from 3pt land, "just inside 3pt land," mid range, and FT% - all these are tangible qualities of a true shooting guard's game. Another difference? D-Whistle is more aggressive and stronger than K-Mart. Touch fouls will inevitably turn into SportsCenter highlight dunks, FTAs, or And-1s. In other words, he will always get his points. You didn't even understand the stats you spent your Saturday night looking up?
If we were comparing who the most explosive player is of the two, it's D-Whistle hands down. But when we talk about pure skill as a shooting guard, I'd take K-Mart over him. Just watch the two times they played Boston to see what I'm saying. In game one he was 4/16 (and people like to clown Kobe's 6/24 effort and ignore Kobe's 15 rebounds in that same game :lol). In game two he fared no better: 2/12 :lol. I'm not the smartest dude, but that's a combined 6/28 :lmao. Why is this happening? Because he's a streaky outside shooter at best, he has a mediocre midrange game (but he can dunk!!) :lol.
Your combining two games of shooting to compare to Kobe's one? :lol
Truth be told, I'd be foolish to say D-Whistle is a scrub. He's far from it. It's just that he is not as good as people say he is. He'll get his points because he is aggressive and strong. He's 28. The clock is ticking on him playing his "smash mouth" style of basketball. He is very one dimensional. Once that athleticism is gone, so will myth that he is a true superstar.
You should watch more basketball and post less. This way you won't keep making a fool of yourself.
Muser
01-30-2011, 12:47 PM
lol LkrFan
Darkwaters
01-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Super star? No.
Alpha scorer? Yes.
DaDakota
01-30-2011, 01:10 PM
Kevin Martin is fools gold, never has there been a guy that scores so well, be such a net zero towards winning.
He is great when things are well, and he has someone to create for him, but if you put anyone with any athleticism and concentration on him, he wilts.
I am hoping that Morey is able to flip him, for future picks as the Rockets overall would be better off without him.
DD
loveThe23
01-30-2011, 01:21 PM
why? just curious
Probably his "ugly" jump shot, like everyone says. Doesn't bother me, but hey it goes in smoothly, so it doesn't matter.
@DaDakota, thank you, great post. :toast The Rockets aren't tops in the west, but where would they be without Kevin? Honestly...
DaDakota
01-30-2011, 11:33 PM
Look,
I am not saying he is terrible he is a star player, what I am saying is that since the Rox are going nowhere, it would be to their benefit to sell high on the guy....IMO.
DD
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