Tim Duncan not in Top 10 All-Time

[RodNIc91]

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/10/21/and-one/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

I found this disgusting. First the order, then placing West and Kobe. Anyway, I dont like the article at all. I know there are like a milliion threads about Top players w/e. I just had to let this out

[DAF86]

Obvious Kobe groupie. Everybody that has seen the NBA from the mid/late 90's onwards knows that Shaq and Duncan > Kobe. Lebron is also better than Kobe but he is still too young to be placed in an all time list. If Garnett wouldn't have been trapped in such shitty teams for 90% of his career, he would be in the discusion too.

[Russ]

Duncan is on the cusp of the top 10.

You can argue for Duncan over Shaq, West or Kobe.

Shaq never had the sense for the game that Duncan did, the poetry. That would be the argument.

West was never the centerpiece of a dynasty like Duncan. (The logo cudo was simply fortuitous.) But if suffering and heartbreak is the criteria, then West beats Duncan.

Kobe Bryant is the flavor de jure. A disfunctional icon. He never rallied the troops behind the scenes like (I'm sure) Duncan has done. He never led by example (sulking is not an example). If it's Kobe v. Duncan, I gotta give it to Tim.

[Leetonidas]

West should not be in the top 10. Every other player on that list has more rings. I agree with the players, except switch West with Duncan, and the order is debatable.

[Leetonidas]

Although I wasn't alive to see Russel play, I have seen enough footage on youtube to know that he was way ahead of his time playing with a bunch of shitty honkeys. If Shaq played in 1960 he would've averaged 60ppg and 30rpg and would be the GOAT. Hell, imagined if Jordan played and had those slow ass white boys guarding him. People say those players were more fundamentally sound but there's a reason that the pace was so fast, none of those mofos could hit a jump shot and they couldn't dribble for shit. Adam Morrison would be a star if he played in that time.

[Mark in Austin]

The Kobe>Duncan argument at least has merit. But Kobe > Magic is just stupid and the writer loses all credibility right there.

[fyatuk]

The Kobe>Duncan argument at least has merit. But Kobe > Magic is just stupid and the writer loses all credibility right there.

I thought the same thing...

[PM5K]

Fuck Duncan, he put Kobe ahead of Magic.

I don't know how you qualify all that shit but if someone asked me who I'd rather pick coming out of college I'd take Magic every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[resistanze]

LOL @ Larry bird 4th, Magic 7th behind Kobe.

[Giuseppe]

Though Kobe did take Artest from the showers to making Pierce sorry.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Duncan is on the cusp of the top 10.

You can argue for Duncan over Shaq, West or Kobe.

Shaq never had the sense for the game that Duncan did, the poetry. That would be the argument.

West was never the centerpiece of a dynasty like Duncan. (The logo cudo was simply fortuitous.) But if suffering and heartbreak is the criteria, then West beats Duncan.

Kobe Bryant is the flavor de jure. A disfunctional icon. He never rallied the troops behind the scenes like (I'm sure) Duncan has done. He never led by example (sulking is not an example). If it's Kobe v. Duncan, I gotta give it to Tim.

I wish there was a Facebook-type LIKE button :)

[Phillip]

I love Bill Russell, but he's getting awfully overrated now a days. Russell had a better team and the greatest coach of all time. I think Russell was amazing, but he doesn't deserve to be considered 1, 2 or 3.

kinda like your boy, wilt

mad overrated

[Phillip]

This my friends is an example of turn off your computer and try again later.

This my friends is an example of ignorant cock sucking at it's finest.

That's right, I'm actually on your side, Lee

[Rummpd]

Any list that has arguebly the truly greatest (Kareem) at 7 is idiotic to begin with:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/292078-is-kareem-abdul-jabbar-the-greatest-basketball-player-ever

Duncan is > than Byrant and a case can be made that he shaped winning even more than the hyped Byrd or many others ranked above him on this sublime list.

[resistanze]

Holy fuck, I missed Kareem at 8. That's the dumbest of them all.

[Jose Canseco]

Fuck Duncan, he put Kobe ahead of Magic.

I don't know how you qualify all that shit but if someone asked me who I'd rather pick coming out of college I'd take Magic every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

1. Kobe didn't go to college, so technically anyone who went to college would be someone you'd pick over "Kobe out of college."

2. I would assume the ranking/list is an opinion based on their NBA careers, not pre-NBA careers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

This my friends is an example of ignorant cock sucking at it's finest.

That's right, I'm actually on your side, Lee
Well in this case he's right. Russell had no offensive game whatsoever. Other than shooting point blank layups over 6'5" honkies he was as useful as an asshole you elbow offensively. Barely a 50% free throw shooter, career 44% from the field. He's a taller more athletic Ben Wallace.

[Phillip]

Any list that has arguebly the truly greatest (Kareem) at 7 is idiotic to begin with:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/292078-is-kareem-abdul-jabbar-the-greatest-basketball-player-ever

Duncan is > than Byrant and a case can be made that he shaped winning even more than the hyped Byrd or many others ranked above him on this sublime list.

Jordan = #1
Kareem = #2

[Phillip]

Well in this case he's right. Russell had no offensive game whatsoever. Other than shooting point blank layups over 6'5" honkies he was as useful as an asshole you elbow offensively. Barely a 50% free throw shooter, career 44% from the field. He's a taller more athletic Ben Wallace.

I agree completely.

Russell and Wilt are the two most overrated players of all time. Dominated in totally shitty competition.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I agree completely.

Russell and Wilt are the two most overrated players of all time. Dominated in totally shitty competition.
Truth, it's sad that they both needed to be carried on offense by perimeter players in the playoffs. Neither one was ever the leading regular season and playoff scorer on a championship team which is pathetic.

[Leetonidas]

This my friends is an example of ignorant cock sucking at it's finest.

That's right, I'm actually on your side, Lee

:wow

My chode just exploded

[Leetonidas]

lol kareem at #2
lol bill russell 44% career fg%

[Phillip]

:wow

My chode just exploded

lol admitting you have a chode

[dunkman]

Duncan is very similar player to Russell. I think he would have been successful today too. He was very athletic, BTW.

Kareem at #8 is laughable.

Kobe's great at scoring a ton of points, but Duncan's first two championships were amazing display of skill and determination. Robinson was in decline by 2003 he wasn't even an all-star.

81 points is great I guess, but Kobe couldn't win once Shaq past his prime in 2003-2004, not even with Malone and Payton. He needed another legit franchise player in his prime to succeed. One could ask, if the Lakers would have won those 5 titles (or perhaps more) with another elite SG/SF. For instance, the Heat with Wade playing at much higher level than Kobe won their only title with little help from Shaq.

[Biggems]

imagine how many points MJ, Gervin, Dr. J, Thompson, English, King, etc...would have score if they had the rules that they have today...MJ and Gervin would have easily averaged 40 a season more than once.

BTW, I would put Kobe in the top 10. I hate his guts, but the guy brings it every game. He also earns his FTs......unlike Dirk, Wade, Gasol, Paul, and Lebron.

[Biggems]

I got Duncan in over Shaq. Underachievers just don't cut it for me, I don't care how dominant you claim to be. The order of that list is way off. Hakeem replaces West, and everything else is about right. Anyone arguing Kobe not being top 10 is running off of pure haterade. I find it funny that Oscar Robertson thinks Lebron is the GOAT.:wow

As far as Hype Machines go.....Lebron is the GOAT

[Biggems]

Duncan is very similar player to Russell. I think he would have been successful today too. He was very athletic, BTW.

Kareem at #8 is laughable.

Kobe's great at scoring a ton of points, but Duncan's first two championships were amazing display of skill and determination. Robinson was in decline by 2003 he wasn't even an all-star.

81 points is great I guess, but Kobe couldn't win once Shaq past his prime in 2003-2004, not even with Malone and Payton. He needed another legit franchise player in his prime to succeed. One could ask, if the Lakers would have won those 5 titles (or perhaps more) with another elite SG/SF. For instance, the Heat with Wade playing at much higher level than Kobe won their only title with little help from Shaq.

MJ couldnt win without Pippen....Magic couldnt win without Kareem....Bird couldnt win without McHale....Dr J couldnt win without Moses....David couldnt win without Timmy...

The Heat were handed that Championship by the refs and the choking Mavs....

[Rummpd]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/408045-nba-finals-kobe-bryant-as-overrated-as-ever

Right on article about "Mr. 25%'s" non-clutch performance last year when his teammates bailed him out and his fg% in the playoffs is 44.5% - not up there in historical standards. No way he is 6th all time, that is a laughable placement when Kareem or Duncan (or Shaq for that matter) are placed below him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if west is in, then drj should be in

[dunkman]

MJ couldnt win without Pippen....Magic couldnt win without Kareem....Bird couldnt win without McHale....Dr J couldnt win without Moses....David couldnt win without Timmy...

The Heat were handed that Championship by the refs and the choking Mavs....

- Pippen reached the conference finals without MJ twice. Both times it went to 7 games and both times there were unfavorable calls for the Bulls in 94 and the Blazers in 00. The 00 team was more 'Sheed's team, still Pippen contributed importantly.

- Magic won the championship in 80 by replacing Kareem at center during the last game of the finals. Kareem went down due to injury. Magic had a fantastic game, hence it's said Magic could play all five positions at all-star level. Kareem already won championships without Magic. In 91 Magic led the rebuilding Lakers to the finals.

- Bird was so good he made look McHale and Parish much better than what they were. Bird had a complete domination of the NBA during his 3 MVP seasons.

- The Spurs led by TD won the '03 with role player type of help from Robinson.

- I saw the Mavs - Heat finals. Wade was playing at unbelievably high level, very aggressive. He looked like MJ. Riley made adjustments after the first two games. Part of those adjustments were that Shaq seldom played late in the games, when the Heat needed to shut down the Mavs, they used 'Zo at C. Sometimes even Walker. Posey and Walker were good guarding Nowitzki.

[Janko]

uhhuahuahua mister game 7 better than td and shaq :D:D:D:D

[Poirot]

I would put Kareem at #2 also. If you factor in his college career as well, you can make an argument for him at #1.

[Obstructed_View]

Having Magic less than three on a list like that is a bigger travesty than having Kobe on the list at all.

[maddnezz]

I need to take a shit......Dang, my printers outa paper!:wow

[polandprzem]

I love Bill Russell, but he's getting awfully overrated now a days. Russell had a better team and the greatest coach of all time. I think Russell was amazing, but he doesn't deserve to be considered 1, 2 or 3.

Yea those 11 rings does not count at all.
He is just overrated because the times was the times and he had guys who were winning as he was winning


/bit sarcasm

[TD 21]

I got Duncan in over Shaq. Underachievers just don't cut it for me, I don't care how dominant you claim to be. The order of that list is way off. Hakeem replaces West, and everything else is about right. Anyone arguing Kobe not being top 10 is running off of pure haterade. I find it funny that Oscar Robertson thinks Lebron is the GOAT.:wow

Howard-Cooper has no credibility and that goes for anyone who doesn't put Duncan in the top ten all-time. He fits every bit of criteria it makes sense to consider when determining all-time greats. If you don't think he's in it, you either didn't watch enough, didn't know enough of what you were watching, are biased or a combination of those three things.

I'd put O'Neal in. I was never a fan, particularly in his Laker days and you're right, he was an underachiever. But what does it say about him that he underachieved, yet still put together a resume few in the history of the game can match or exceed? True, he had nearly unmatched physical tools, in terms of overwhelming size, strength and in his younger days, exceptional athleticism for a man his size. As Walton would say, he was a winner of the genetic lottery. But still.

The Spurs needed two of the greatest defenders of all-time, plus another good defender and a third near 7-0'er/fourth plus defender, just to have a chance to get past him.

I don't see an argument for having Chamberlain in the top ten all-time, but not O'Neal. Put O'Neal in Chamberlain's era and he'd have likely approximated Chamberlain's stats, if not bettered them in some cases.

Bryant is a fringe top ten all-time player, with the most overinflated legacy in the history of the game. His greatest accomplishment is his remarkable longevity as a top five player. But, contrary to what the media and certain biased fans alike would have us believe with their revisionist history, he was never the best player in the game for an extended stretch and it was never his league, so to speak, the way it was Jordan's or O'Neal's or Duncan's.

[AussieFanKurt]

lol at this list period. hakeem and duncan not in top 10 is laughable