Mexico is our biggest threat to national security

[PakiDan]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border. We need to take the troops returning from Iraq and mobilize on our borders... namely Texas. Mexico will cry foul, but it will show that we are resolute on keeping the violence from spilling across our borders. Before ya'll claim racism, I'm Mexican and my dad was born in Ciudad Juarez.... he agrees.

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.

[MannyIsGod]

Apparently people really have learned nothing over the past decade.

[ChumpDumper]

There is a reason the violence hasn't spilled over the border.

[balli]

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.

:lmao

Yeah, lets wage a military war in a foreign land because of a bunch of fucking meth dealers want to act like animals unto one another. Good riddance.

The suggestion that we mobilize our military in Mexico is beyond asinine and is entirely lacking in any understanding of foreign, economic or social affairs.

Changing our drug laws on the other hand, that might make sense.

[MannyIsGod]

Exactly. Why the hell is the first idea to invade?

[jack sommerset]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border. We need to take the troops returning from Iraq and mobilize on our borders... namely Texas. Mexico will cry foul, but it will show that we are resolute on keeping the violence from spilling across our borders. Before ya'll claim racism, I'm Mexican and my dad was born in Ciudad Juarez.... he agrees.

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.

You got my vote. Barry should stop his war on the Afgans and send those returning troops to cover the rest of the border. After we seal the borders go on a national campaign to tell the illegals to get the fuck out. Those who stay and continue to break our laws then our government should use ALL its resources to give them the boot.

I'm tired of this stupid ass debate. There are 15 million of them. Enough is enough. We can be civil about this whole thing but it's time Uncle Sam starts putting his foot up these criminals asses and clean house.

[BlairForceDejuan]

The only way is to attack the profit margins of the Drug Cartels. Otherwise, you will just have the balloon effect and the violence will jump from country to country as it has done for the last many decades.

There is a reason Mexico is the current hot spot.

[boutons_deux]

The horrendous and pervasive MX drug violence has not crossed the border so far, and very probably won't. So it's no threat to USA.

In the other direction, the USA (drug market) is clearly a huge national security threat to MX and countries south, pushing MX close to being a failed state. Again "so far", the US has done nothing to lessen illegal drugs, the corporate-enriching War on Drugs being as big a failure as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The USA exporting subsidized agricultural products, esp corn, to MX has destroyed 1000s of small farmers, and "addicted" MX to US production, which is always the objective. Many of US-impoverished small farmers have come to the US trying to make money to send back to their familites, NOT to work the drug trade or criminal life.

[PakiDan]

The horrendous and pervasive MX drug violence has not crossed the border so far, and very probably won't. So it's no threat to USA.

Oh you are right... because this just did not happen...
http://www.ksat.com/news/25348810/detail.html

and there definitely has NOT been a wave of drug related violence and murders in Laredo and El Paso...
http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=293

And I'm sure a there has been no recent upsurge in violent crimes in the US committed by Mexican cartel members...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/26/fbi-warns-of-cartel-arming/

Sure.

[boutons_deux]

Like the attack on WTC, any violence crossing the border is not a NATIONAL security risk. The attack on the WTC was even a risk for the island of Manhattan, never mind the entire US.

Plain old All American gangs and thugs commit more mayhem than MX drug lords, murder more people than foreign drug cartels.

[BlairForceDejuan]

Plain old All American gangs and thugs commit more mayhem than MX drug lords, murder more people than foreign drug cartels. lol boutons

[boutons_deux]

Enjoy the show. Ignorant fucks are easily entertained.

[ElNono]

Yeah, lets wage a military war in a foreign land because of a bunch of fucking poppy seed dealers want to act like animals unto one another. Good riddance.

fify... but yeah, we basically already took on something similar in the name of national security... The fact that we're now sitting in the negotiating table along with the guys we wanted to wipe out should really tell you that throwing money and troops at a problem ain't going to make it magically disappear.

[PakiDan]

Enjoy the show. Ignorant fucks are easily entertained.

It's funny how easily bleeding hearts mistake resolve for ignorance. And your colorful metaphor makes your argument oh so much more powerful!

[BlairForceDejuan]

Enjoy the show. Ignorant fucks are easily entertained.

Lemme know when mass graves of 70+ start popping up in Detroit. When was the last time America turned into Colombia circa 1990's to combat its gang problems?

lol boutons

[balli]

It's funny how easily bleeding hearts mistake resolve for ignorance. And your colorful metaphor makes your argument oh so much more powerful!

Hyperbole or made-up stats aside, not much is more ass-ignorant than suggesting we deploy US troops into Mexico in order to combat drug violence.

Seriously, your suggestion is a fucking retarded and unrealistic one. No subsequent post in this thread has or will come close rivalling the original post's level of ignorance. Sorry.

[Winehole23]

Someday in the not too distant future, when we're much older in the composite, we'll be begging Mexicans to emigrate, probably even offering them tax credits.

Prediction: the aging of the USA and the urgent need to replace/reproduce a young, productive work force, eventually overtakes xenophobia and nativism.

(It won't be pretty. It may take a long time.)

[jack sommerset]

prediction, usa will actually follow through with a healthy plan to kick the illegals we have here out by 2014. that's change and hope we can look forward too.

[Winehole23]

Will not happen. Will never happen, jack.

[Winehole23]

12Mil plus deported? No way.

[ElNono]

Here's another question that unfortunately won't have an answer with the current rules in place: How much drug money is involved in campaign finance this upcoming election?

[The Reckoning]

yeah like mexico will ever get its shit together.

:sleep

not with the US' drug policies and financial imperialism.

come on over, ill give you citizenship so you can scrub my toilets. i dont mind one bit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The justification for invading Mexico is not the drug wars. As people have pointed out, the violence has not yet spilled over.

The justification is the level of corruption throughout the country. Immigration would not be an issue if it were not for the corruption in Mexican political culture. If they do not have the sense or ability to revolt then we should overthrow that piece of shit government for them.

[The Reckoning]

already assisted by the US, and mexico went back to the same shit. theyre hopeless. always will be.

just give up on mexico, let them be and focus on canadian relations.

[Winehole23]

Here's another question that unfortunately won't have an answer with the current rules in place: How much drug money is involved in campaign finance this upcoming election? Political donors deserve to be shielded from frivolous accusations. To this end, the anonymity of the donor class should be preserved at all costs.

Loose lips sink ships...

[RoddyBukkake]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border. We need to take the troops returning from Iraq and mobilize on our borders... namely Texas. Mexico will cry foul, but it will show that we are resolute on keeping the violence from spilling across our borders. Before ya'll claim racism, I'm Mexican and my dad was born in Ciudad Juarez.... he agrees.

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.


are you an anchor baby?

[Winehole23]

The justification is the level of corruption throughout the country. Immigration would not be an issue if it were not for the corruption in Mexican political culture. If they do not have the sense or ability to revolt then we should overthrow that piece of shit government for them.I know you don't mean just war theory. What justification?

Maybe we should give Mexico a chance to take care of its own business.

However horrible Mexico is, us taking Mexico over is an even worse idea. The men, the materiel and the political will are all ostensibly lacking for such an adventure. I see no good outcomes for us there.

How is invading and overthrowing Mexico a better idea than remaining allies and continuing to help/influence Mexico (by invitation) within its borders?

Little help, FuzzyLumpkins?



(puzzled)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you don't mean just war theory. What justification?

Maybe we should give Mexico a chance to take care of its own business.

However horrible Mexico is, us taking Mexico over is an even worse idea. The men, the materiel and the political will are all ostensibly lacking for such an adventure. I see no good outcomes for us there.

How is invading and overthrowing Mexico a better idea than remaining allies and continuing to help/influence Mexico (by invitation) within its borders?

Little help, FuzzyLumpkins?


(puzzled)

Lol I am not saying we should violate the sovreingty of a nation state. I am just saying that the corruption there is a better justification than the drug war.

The bribe as a way of doing business is ingrained in their political structure from the national to local level. It would take an occupation spanning several generations to even have a chance and we are corrupt as hell over here too.

[boutons_deux]

The only reason the US would invade MX is the same as always, to protect/increase US corporate assets/profits/markets. eg, the US would have murdering mercenaries guarding MX Wal-marts.

[rjv]

prediction, usa will actually follow through with a healthy plan to kick the illegals we have here out by 2014. that's change and hope we can look forward too.

another prediction. jack continues to drive on roads, go into dwellings, purchase produce, eat at restaurants that continue to be driven by a percentage of illegals. then years from now lives in a country that is being populated by the second generation of these illegals.

[CosmicCowboy]

The USA exporting subsidized agricultural products, esp corn, to MX has destroyed 1000s of small farmers, and "addicted" MX to US production, which is always the objective. Many of US-impoverished small farmers have come to the US trying to make money to send back to their familites, NOT to work the drug trade or criminal life.

Uhhh....Boutons, as usual, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. US policies have driven the price of corn UP and not DOWN. Ethanol subsidies/mandates have totally fucked up the market. Mexico EXPORTS corn to the US, not the other way around. In fact, US ethanol policy has actually created a tortilla shortage in Mexico because farmers have switched from growing white corn for tortillas to growing yellow corn for export. Drive down Hwy 90 from San Antonio to Del Rio this time of year and you will see trainload after trainload of grain cars full of corn heading north out of Mexico.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Let's invade every country with failing governments, install new governments, and give the keys back when we're done. It will cost next-to-nothing, and there will be very little risk of US casualties. win-win.

[boutons_deux]

Uhhh....Boutons, as usual, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. US policies have driven the price of corn UP and not DOWN. Ethanol subsidies/mandates have totally fucked up the market. Mexico EXPORTS corn to the US, not the other way around. In fact, US ethanol policy has actually created a tortilla shortage in Mexico because farmers have switched from growing white corn for tortillas to growing yellow corn for export. Drive down Hwy 90 from San Antonio to Del Rio this time of year and you will see trainload after trainload of grain cars full of corn heading north out of Mexico.

Before the corn ethanol boon doggle and the farm commodity bubble, US subsidized corn undercut MX subsistence farmers. When the US-to-MX flow of corn was in place, and the small MX farms were destroyed, the US policies did raise the price of corn. MX was really pissed because so much of their diet is based on corn (which is actually crappy food), but they were "addicted" to US corn and couldn't restart 1000s of subsistence farmes, many of whom moved away from their farms and/or left for USA.

[CosmicCowboy]

Before the corn ethanol boon doggle and the farm commodity bubble, US subsidized corn undercut MX subsistence farmers. When the US-to-MX flow of corn was in place, and the small MX farms were destroyed, the US policies did raise the price of corn. MX was really pissed because so much of their diet is based on corn (which is actually crappy food), but they were "addicted" to US corn and couldn't restart 1000s of subsistence farmes, many of whom moved away from their farms and/or left for USA.

In other words, you were wrong. Current US policies are good for Mexican farmers.

[rjv]

In other words, you were wrong. Current US policies are good for Mexican farmers.

mexico has become an export-dependent economy, but this has not benefited most mexicans. mexican manufacturing is based on a production model in which component parts are imported, then processed or assembled and then re-exported. the spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited.

there are many bad assumptions made regarding the impact that NAFTA had for mexico's labor force. unemployment rates are actually higher in mexico since NAFTA and those jobs that have been migrated to mexico's US owned maquiladoras average a daily (not hourly) wage of 7.00.
peasant agriculture has been wiped out by the arrival of agri-business and the lifting of restrictions on the sale of peasant land. industrial employment has been devastated by the closure of hundreds of plants unable to compete with the transnationals under the new trade laws. and peasants and workers displaced have headed north in greater numbers. before NAFTA, illegals came mainly from four or five mexican states and a limited number of mostly rural municipalities. since NAFTA, migrants have originated in all mexican states, practically all municipalities, and cities as well as towns and villages.

[RandomGuy]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border. We need to take the troops returning from Iraq and mobilize on our borders... namely Texas. Mexico will cry foul, but it will show that we are resolute on keeping the violence from spilling across our borders. Before ya'll claim racism, I'm Mexican and my dad was born in Ciudad Juarez.... he agrees.

If this senseless killing and lawlessness continues, we should invade Northern Mexico, restore order, then hand it back.

... or we could simply take steps to legalize the drugs.

I don't think invading is "the only" solution.

[MannyIsGod]

The Mexicans will greet us as liberators.

[boutons_deux]

In other words, you were wrong. Current US policies are good for Mexican farmers.

I was right, as always.

The US predatory marketing of agricultural products and subsidies undercuts local production and self-sustenance, benefits the US corps and foreign corporate importers, but impoverishes and makes the poor dependent on US production. It's fucking evil. Europe's heavily subsidized crops do the same. About half of the entire European budget is CAP, common agricultural policy, allowing the subsidized food corps to dump the products on poor countries and hold down world commodity prices.

[z0sa]

It'd be better than fighting for resources in the name of Democracy on the opposite side of the globe, but almost equally stupid. War and killing must be the absolute final resolution, when literally every other alternative has been exhausted. That means ending our useless War on Drugs in this case.

[MannyIsGod]

In any event, for this to happen you'd have to believe the US actually gave a shit about what happens to the Mexicans. That is pretty fucking LOLable if you ask me.

[jack sommerset]

In any event, for this to happen you'd have to believe the US actually gave a shit about what happens to the Mexicans. That is pretty fucking LOLable if you ask me.

That's pretty fucking laughable and ignorant if you ask anyone with a brain. Obviously the US does care what happens to Mexicans or we would not be having this same bullshit debate over and over. We would not have millions in our country illegally and legally.

Why don't you care about Mexicans?

[CosmicCowboy]

Are you kidding? The US may talk shit but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

[MannyIsGod]

That's pretty fucking laughable and ignorant if you ask anyone with a brain. Obviously the US does care what happens to Mexicans or we would not be having this same bullshit debate over and over. We would not have millions in our country illegally and legally.

Why don't you care about Mexicans?

:lmao @ debate meaning shit. Its a fucking circle jerk for idiots like you. And yeah, the US cares so much it passed immigration reform and had a serious discussion on the results of its drug policy there.

You're right about one of our posts being really fucking laughable though.

[MannyIsGod]

Are you kidding? The US may talk shit but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Ding Ding Ding

[jack sommerset]

:lmao @ debate meaning shit. Its a fucking circle jerk for idiots like you. And yeah, the US cares so much it passed immigration reform and had a serious discussion on the results of its drug policy there.

You're right about one of our posts being really fucking laughable though.

You're in the middle of the circle jerk you idiot.

Why do you not care about mexicans?

[coyotes_geek]

Are you kidding? The US may talk shit but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Pretty much.

[MannyIsGod]

You're in the middle of the circle jerk you idiot.

Why do you not care about mexicans?

You think repeating the question somehow makes it something I'm going to take seriously? I understand that you're a simpleton idiot who can't seem to understand that the United States government doesn't give two shits about Mexicans except when they can use them to further a political agenda.

[z0sa]

Are you kidding? The US may talk shit but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Not that you're wrong, but I LOL at the thought of Mexico being "politically stable." It would seem the drug cartels run that country. I consider what representation the Mexicans have a clever facade to keep the USA off their backs.

[jack sommerset]

You think repeating the question somehow makes it something I'm going to take seriously? I understand that you're a simpleton idiot who can't seem to understand that the United States government doesn't give two shits about Mexicans except when they can use them to further a political agenda.

You said the United States doesn't care about mexicans. As many times as you want to say I'm a idiot doesn't change the fact that you are one. Now you want to say the US governement doesn't give two shits about mexicans, of course unless if it's for "political" reasons only. That is such bullshit.

You know manny, there are citizens of this country and government elected officials that want to give full amnesty to all mexican illegals for the simple fact they believe it's the right thing to do. That they care about them. I have clue why you don't care about mexicans but that is on you.

[MannyIsGod]

You said the United States doesn't care about mexicans. As many times as you want to say I'm a idiot doesn't change the fact that you are one. Now you want to say the US governement doesn't give two shits about mexicans, of course unless if it's for "political" reasons only. That is such bullshit.

You know manny, there are citizens of this country and government elected officials that want to give full amnesty to all mexican illegals for the simple fact they believe it's the right thing to do. That they care about them. I have clue why you don't care about mexicans but that is on you.

Thats why immigration reform has been passed. Thats why drug laws have been evaluated.

Yeah no.

I'm sure you care a lot about what they may say but their actions speak a lot louder than words and all I hear is silence.

What the fuck do you think I was talking about when I said the United States if not the government? I don't give a shit what people believe when they don't care enough to act on it.

[CosmicCowboy]

Not that you're wrong, but I LOL at the thought of Mexico being "politically stable." It would seem the drug cartels run that country. I consider what representation the Mexicans have a clever facade to keep the USA off their backs.

Basically it's the mordita culture of Mexico politics. It's top to bottom and inside/out. The cartels are just the latest buyers and not as civilized about it. With them it's literally a choice of La Mordita or Muerto.

[CosmicCowboy]

When a Chavez type eventually gets elected in Mexico you will finally see the US start really giving a shit about Mexico.

[jack sommerset]

Thats why immigration reform has been passed. Thats why drug laws have been evaluated.

Yeah no.

I'm sure you care a lot about what they may say but their actions speak a lot louder than words and all I hear is silence.

You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

"Yeah no?" Now you are saying we have not passed any laws on immigration and drugs or we have not evaluated the ones we have. :lmao

[jack sommerset]

There has been plenty of changes to our policies/laws on immigration and drugs. I just want to know why you don't care about mexicans?

[ChumpDumper]

There has been plenty of changes to our policies/laws on immigration and drugs.Of the top of your head, what have been the major ones in the past ten years?

[MannyIsGod]

Its funny cause he's trying to be Chump Dumper but he's too stupid to pull it off.

[RandomGuy]

Are you kidding? The US may talk shit but they really don't care about Mexico as long as they are politically stable and a pseudo democracy.

Agreed.

The problem, as the OP points out, that the corrosion of the drug cartels threatens both the former and the latter.

[RandomGuy]

In any event, for this to happen you'd have to believe the US actually gave a shit about what happens to the Mexicans. That is pretty fucking LOLable if you ask me.

Well, demographics favor the US "give-a-shit-ness" for what happens to Mexico. With a larger and larger % of the population being descended from Mexicans that is.

[PakiDan]

:lmao @ debate meaning shit. Its a fucking circle jerk for idiots like you. And yeah, the US cares so much it passed immigration reform and had a serious discussion on the results of its drug policy there.

You're right about one of our posts being really fucking laughable though.

Why do you get off on calling everyone with a different political viewpoint from you an idiot? You sound like Rush Limbaugh on crack!

[jack sommerset]

Its funny cause he's trying to be Chump Dumper but he's too stupid to pull it off.

Look, in all seriousness you made a ridiculous claim, you are spinning around, calling me names and you are saying I'm trying to act like a hero of yours. I think in 3-4 years I asked a douchebag a question twice and now I am the chumpster. Sorry, a stupid chumpster. Too funny!!!!!

You pulled a Alan Grayson. You know the stupid liberal that spewed off "republicans want you to die" bullshit. You went along with that theme and said the "US doesn't care about mexicans." It's such a ridiculous statement that I had to chime in on.

You ignore that the US government has been giving money, aid and food to Mexico for decades, centuries even. Or you just throw that under we give free shit to Mexico because it helps our politics only bullshit. By the way, I can't think of anything the Mexican government has done for us in all these years. Atleast something worth a damn. The president of Mexico did speak before our congress to reprimand us on our immigration policies/laws a few months back. That was very gracious of him considering his people are fleeing his country because they "suck it." Fact is, we are a caring country and there are alot of times we help our neighbors and others because we can.

Our government is fighting Arizona on a very similiar federal law that was passed over the summer in hopes to help protect the illegal mexicans from being deported. Son, you may want to think this is just a political agenda and it is for some but for many americans, mexican americans they are doing this because they care.

If there is something you want to tell us about mexicans so that we don't care, my ears are wide open. But to think our people, our government as a whole does not care about mexicans is pretty much a top 10 dumbest thing I have heard from someone not trolling.

[PakiDan]

Look, in all seriousness you made a ridiculous claim, you are spinning around, calling me names and you are saying I'm trying to act like a hero of yours. I think in 3-4 years I asked a douchebag a question twice and now I am the chumpster. Sorry, a stupid chumpster. Too funny!!!!!

You pulled a Alan Grayson. You know the stupid liberal that spewed off "republicans want you to die" bullshit. You went along with that theme and said the "US doesn't care about mexicans." It's such a ridiculous statement that I had to chime in on.

You ignore that the US government has been giving money, aid and food to Mexico for decades, centuries even. Or you just throw that under we give free shit to Mexico because it helps our politics only bullshit. By the way, I can't think of anything the Mexican government has done for us in all these years. Atleast something worth a damn. The president of Mexico did speak before our congress to reprimand us on our immigration policies/laws a few months back. That was very gracious of him considering his people are fleeing his country because they "suck it." Fact is, we are a caring country and there are alot of times we help our neighbors and others because we can.

Our government is fighting Arizona on a very similiar federal law that was passed over the summer in hopes to help protect the illegal mexicans from being deported. Son, you may want to think this is just a political agenda and it is for some but for many americans, mexican americans they are doing this because they care.

If there is something you want to tell us about mexicans so that we don't care, my ears are wide open. But to think our people, our government as a whole does not care about mexicans is pretty much a top 10 dumbest thing I have heard from someone not trolling.

:tu

[MannyIsGod]

Why do you get off on calling everyone with a different political viewpoint from you an idiot? You sound like Rush Limbaugh on crack!

Oh please don't even try to pull that shit. People on here have a different viewpoint from me and I engage them without calling them idiots. But when people pose idiotic ideas like invading northern Mexico as solutions are generally idiots.

[TeyshaBlue]

Oh please don't even try to pull that shit. People on here have a different viewpoint from me and I engage them without calling them idiots. But when people pose idiotic ideas like invading northern Mexico as solutions are generally idiots.

Idiot.:ihit:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Look, in all seriousness you made a ridiculous claim, you are spinning around, calling me names and you are saying I'm trying to act like a hero of yours. I think in 3-4 years I asked a douchebag a question twice and now I am the chumpster. Sorry, a stupid chumpster. Too funny!!!!!

You pulled a Alan Grayson. You know the stupid liberal that spewed off "republicans want you to die" bullshit. You went along with that theme and said the "US doesn't care about mexicans." It's such a ridiculous statement that I had to chime in on.

You ignore that the US government has been giving money, aid and food to Mexico for decades, centuries even. Or you just throw that under we give free shit to Mexico because it helps our politics only bullshit. By the way, I can't think of anything the Mexican government has done for us in all these years. Atleast something worth a damn. The president of Mexico did speak before our congress to reprimand us on our immigration policies/laws a few months back. That was very gracious of him considering his people are fleeing his country because they "suck it." Fact is, we are a caring country and there are alot of times we help our neighbors and others because we can.

Our government is fighting Arizona on a very similiar federal law that was passed over the summer in hopes to help protect the illegal mexicans from being deported. Son, you may want to think this is just a political agenda and it is for some but for many americans, mexican americans they are doing this because they care.

If there is something you want to tell us about mexicans so that we don't care, my ears are wide open. But to think our people, our government as a whole does not care about mexicans is pretty much a top 10 dumbest thing I have heard from someone not trolling.

Dude, if you're going to go back centuries then we can easily go back to the Mexican American war. That really showed how much the US cares about Mexicans.

Everything any US politician does tied to Mexicans or Illegal Immigrants in this country is directly tied to short term political gain and nothing more. The Arizona law is a direct example of this. That law solves absolutely nothing in the long run and in fact places a greater burden on governments in Arizona yet it was passed in order to gain short term political points by tapping into the sentiment that illegal immigrants are actually a leading cause of hardship during a recession in this country.

Its the same with any legislation that seeks to give a facade of action against illegal immigration. Ignorant mfers across the country buy into it and sound like a South Park Episode (THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!). The fact that you actually think this shows some type of goodwill to those very people is amazing.

The very fact that you can't name any single piece of major legislation passed recently that actually benefits the people of Mexico when I can name thousands which hurts them and pushes them further into the drug war is all the damn proof I need that the United States Government doesn't give a shit about Mexicans.

And if you're stupid enough to think I was talking about minority action groups or political groups who's aims are directly focused on improving conditions for Mexicans then you're far more of an idiot than I ever gave you credit for.

[MannyIsGod]

Idiot.:ihit:lmao

Yeah somehow I can engage you without calling you an idiot even though we disagree on a lot. Then again, Teysha, I don't recall you ever saying we should invade Mexico. I reserve the right to call you an idiot if you ever make such a claim.
:toast

[TeyshaBlue]

Yeah somehow I can engage you without calling you an idiot even though we disagree on a lot. Then again, Teysha, I don't recall you ever saying we should invade Mexico. I reserve the right to call you an idiot if you ever make such a claim.
:toast

The week is young.:lol:toast

[word]

and the only solution is to mobilize and militarize our southern border.

Hmmmm...well, I don't know about 'the biggest' threat. In the big pichur Russia and China are worthy opponents.

It's funny, my sister just found a bunch of books that my grandfather had. One a history book with some newspaper articles from 1913 about Mexico. You may find this hard to believe .....but nothing has changed. Corrupt then. Corrupt now. Mexico could have been a great country. It's a shame.

My grandfather and his sister were both born in Mexico and spoke fluent spanish, even though they were both 100% irish. They were there because my GG grandfather owned part of a silver mine down there. Then, they threw all the foreigners out. He had tons of books about Mexican history. Plan to read some of 'em. My sister just found them a coule of weeks ago. Just unpacked them three days ago. Amazing stuff. The dust flies off when you turn a page. The problem is, they are soooo fragile reading them would damage them. Also got a set called 'Complete History of the World' published in 1893. A complete set of Mark Twains work, 11 books, printed in 1902. Bunch of other stuff. Complete works of O'Henry..You'd have to see it to believe it. 185 books in all. Most of it in sets. I have some handwritten letters from Santa Ana to the US Sec of state as well. How he got them, I don't know. I called UT Austin to see if they were interested. I told them I would donate them.