Luis Scola this season.

[The_Matrix]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3653

Unbelievable. Through two games, he's averaging 27.0 points and 16.0 rebounds. Obviously helped by Yao's absence and a matchup against the Warriors, but this man could be taking a step towards the NBA elite.

[romain.star]

good for him

[DAF86]

Hilo sobre Scola!

[easy7]

And Bonner is out so we can't compare the two... :lmao

[temujin]

And Bonner is out so we can't compare the two... :lmao

:lol:lol:lol

[sa_butta]

I came here just to see this thread...I knew it would be here.

[Darkwaters]

Scola Thread!

[8FOR!3]

lol, at least he's on my fantasy team...

[z0sa]

Not having Scola sucks dick.

Sour grapes and all that, though. Let's hope Splitter is more than comparable.

[Bruno]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

[DAF86]

Whott lives on.

[ElNono]

I thought he was the second best player in the Worlds behind Durant...

[Double-Up]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

Scola's a beast, Spurs fucked up, and you need to get hell over it Kermit.

[smeagol]

In honor of whottt

[yavozerb]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

Never thought of that comparison but you maybe onto something...


Scola's a beast, Spurs fucked up, and you need to get hell over it Kermit.

Seriously, golden state...I thought the Rockets were contenders. The rockets are looking more and more like memphis these days (led by randolph, I mean Scola).:lol

[Double-Up]

Seriously, golden state...I thought the Rockets were contenders. The rockets are looking more and more like memphis these days (led by randolph, I mean Scola).:lol

Don't blame Scola, that lose can be chalked up to a total lack of perimeter defense. You should be fucking slapped for even thinking the Rockets are contenders. :pimpslap

[yavozerb]

Don't blame Scola, that lose can be chalked up to a total lack of perimeter defense. You should be fucking slapped for even thinking the Rockets are contenders. :pimpslap

:lol, ya I guess over estimated the rockets cause right now they wont even make the playoffs if they cant even beat the warriors..Speaking being slapped, your posting as a rockets fan...:rollin

[Mr. Body]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

C'mon. They played the Lakers and then were forced to play a back-to-back.

[yavozerb]

C'mon. They played the Lakers and then were forced to play a back-to-back.

dude, its the first 2 games of the year...Is fatigue really excuse at this point in the season?

[Trainwreck2100]

scola thread

[hater]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

looks like someone ran out of cocoa puffs this morning

Scola is a loser???

:bang

[Indazone]

Scola Thread! Love the Topic..so here is a youtube vid from last nights game.

3-vVZ0rjYog

Would have been a thing of beauty watching him play alongside Duncan. That's not even talking from a Rocketsfan perspective. Just pure basketball.

[SenorSpur]

I wonder if Pop is still "throwing up in his mouth"?

[temujin]

In honor of whottt

My thought.

[Sportcamper]

Scola is rough in the paint & hustles every play…The guy would be a starter on any team in the NBA…How did Houston acquire him?

[temujin]

looks like someone ran out of cocoa puffs this morning

Scola is a loser???

:bang

Anyone not named Richard Jefferson is a "loser".

[temujin]

So the Warriors starting guards score 71 points on 27-40 shooting,
the Houston respective opponents score 41 on 9-27,

and the Rockets lose by 6 BECAUSE of Scola's empty stats.

Please more of these just wonderfull "opinions".

[TJastal]

Scola is from Argentina and cut from the same cloth as Manu Ginobili, which says alot about the guy right there. And the fact is that he just keeps getting better and better.

The rockets will make the playoffs this year (thanks in large part to Scola). Two games does not a season make.

[yavozerb]

Scola is from Argentina and cut from the same cloth as Manu Ginobili, which says alot about the guy right there. And the fact is that he just keeps getting better and better.

The rockets will make the playoffs this year (thanks in large part to Scola). Two games does not a season make.

True..It seems every team who has playoff hopes has a limited amount of bad losses in a season. I would think you would want to save some those losses for later in the season when health issues might arise. I agree that two games do not make a season, but to already have a bad loss is not good no matter how you look at it. Oh, and yes, scola is really good.

[Bruno]

looks like someone ran out of cocoa puffs this morning

Scola is a loser???

:bang

I guess you haven't followed his career in Europe. He is big time loser and choker.

[hater]

I guess you haven't followed his career in Europe. He is big time loser and choker.

2000 Spanish League Rookie of the Year
2000 FIBA Americas Under-20 Championship MVP
2005 Spanish Supercup MVP
2× Spanish League MVP 2005, 2007
All-Euroleague Second Team 2005
2× All-Euroleague First Team 2006, 2007
2× FIBA Americas Championship MVP 2007, 2009
2008 NBA All-Rookie First Team
2010 FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team

yes. big loser that guy.

:lmao

[Bruno]

2000 Spanish League Rookie of the Year
2000 FIBA Americas Under-20 Championship MVP
2005 Spanish Supercup MVP
2× Spanish League MVP 2005, 2007
All-Euroleague Second Team 2005
2× All-Euroleague First Team 2006, 2007
2× FIBA Americas Championship MVP 2007, 2009
2008 NBA All-Rookie First Team
2010 FIBA World Championship All-Tournament Team

yes. big loser that guy.

:lmao

It's sure that the goal in basketball is to win personal awards. :rolleyes

[temujin]

Alta nel cielo,
aquila guerriera

[hater]

It's sure that the goal in basketball is to win personal awards. :rolleyes

as it's sure one man can win basketball championships on his own. (see Garnett in Mini, Lebron in Cleveland, Kobe w/no Shaq/Gasol, etc, etc) :rolleyes

[Bruno]

NBA Most Improved Player (2001)
7× NBA All-Star (2001–2007)
2× NBA Scoring Champion (2003–2004)
2× All-NBA First Team (2002–2003)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2001, 2004, 2007)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2005, 2008)

yes. big loser that guy

:lmao

























Oh wait, it's TMac...

[Bruno]

as it's sure one man can win basketball championships on his own. :rolleyes

He had a good enough team in Europe to win. He just choked years after years in big games.

[hater]

Losers + chokers in basketball according to Bruno:
- all ball players who have not won an NBA championship

:lmao

[hater]

Winners according to Bruno:
- Sasha Vujacic
- Adam Morrison
- DJ Mbenga

:lol

[hater]

He had a good enough team in Europe to win.

obviously he did :rolleyes

[Double-Up]

Are you really comparing T-Mac to Scola? :lmao

[Bruno]

Losers + chokers in basketball according to Bruno:
- all ball players who have not won an NBA championship

:lmao

Let me enlighten you a little:

Tau Ceramica/Caja Laboral build a team around Scola and won nothing significant during years. He left them and they win 2 Spanish titles in 3 years.

The true winner of the Scola trade isn't Houston, it was Tau Ceramica. They get tons of cash in this trade and they start winning again by dumping this looser.

[temujin]

So what was that game in which Scola only grabbed 4 rebounds, facing the Olimpique Nimportequoi, where Ian Mahinmi was starring?

More and more wonderful.

[temujin]

Winners according to Bruno:
- Sasha Vujacic
- Adam Morrison
- DJ Mbenga

:lol

Future winner:
Ian Mahinmi.

[Bruno]

Are you really comparing T-Mac to Scola? :lmao

Hell no.

While both are losers, T-Mac was a light year player than Scola is or will ever be.

[hater]

Let me enlighten you a little:

Tau Ceramica/Caja Laboral build a team around Scola and won nothing significant during years. He left them and they win 2 Spanish titles in 3 years.

The true winner of the Scola trade isn't Houston, it was Tau Ceramica. They get tons of cash in this trade and they start winning again by dumping this looser.

let me enlighten you a little:

I never said Scola was good enough to build a championship team around. But that does not make him a loser and choker.

would Robert Horry have won if replaced with Scola in Spain? no. Does that mean Horry is a loser and choker?

[Bruno]

let me enlighten you a little:

I never said Scola was good enough to build a championship team around. But that does not make him a loser and choker.

would Robert Horry have won if replaced with Scola in Spain? no. Does that mean Horry would have been a loser and choker?

You didn't get it, let me re-explain it to you:
- Tau with Scola = losers with Scola being horrible every year in big games.
- Tau without Scola = 2 Spanish league titles in 3 years.

What happened with Tau would be the equivalent of Cleveland winning the title this year. If it happened, wouldn't you bash LeBron.

[hater]

You didn't get it, let me re-explain it to you:
- Tau with Scola = losers with Scola being horrible every year in big games.
- Tau without Scola = 2 Spanish league titles in 3 years.

What happened with Tau would be the equivalent of Cleveland winning the title this year. If it happened, wouldn't you bash LeBron.

you didn't get it:
- Spurs with David Robinson = 1 championship in 13 years (thanks to Duncan)
- Spurs without David Robinson = 3 championships in 6 years

that DRob what a choker and loser!

[Mal]

He had a good enough team in Europe to win. He just choked years after years in big games.

Nope. That time there was CSKA Moscow with gazillion petrol/gas dollars budget. There was Panathinaikos with gazillion whatever_they_from_dollars budget and pretty good Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Tau Ceramica got very young team with Calderon, Scola, Splliter and inexperienced coach. They just couldnt won Euroleague.

[Bruno]

you didn't get it:
- Spurs with David Robinson = 1 championship in 13 years (thanks to Duncan)
- Spurs without David Robinson = 3 championships in 6 years

that DRob what a choker and loser!

First, Tau didn't add a Tim Duncan when Scola left them.
Second, unlike in NBA, there are only a handful of teams in Spain with enough money to win a title.

[Bruno]

Nope. That time there was CSKA Moscow with gazillion petrol/gas dollars budget. There was Panathinaikos with gazillion whatever_they_from_dollars budget and pretty good Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Tau Ceramica got very young team with Calderon, Scola, Splliter and inexperienced coach. They just couldnt won Euroleague.

I don't really think CSKA, Pana or Maccabi have a lot to do with Tau not winning the Spanish league.

[temujin]

George Gervin?
Zero titles.
Loser.

Stockton/Malone/Sloan?
Zero titles, zeru tituli.
Big losers.

Scola won Olympic title.
Not with US, but with ARGENTINA (A R G E N T I N A).
Loser, big time loser: he never won the Spanish title with Tau!

WE WANT MORE!!!!!

[Mal]

I don't really think CSKA, Pana or Maccabi have a lot to do with Tau not winning the Spanish league.

I quoted you and replayed about Euroleague. I wasnt watching ACB that time, so I dont know why Vitoria didn`t win.

[TJastal]

lol @ 1st team spurstalk
lol @ 2005 vbookie champion (like anyone cares)

these are the true hollow awards IMO

[yavozerb]

lol @ 1st team spurstalk
lol @ 2005 vbookie champion (like anyone cares)

these are the true hollow awards IMO

coming from the guy who couldn't start threads for a while...:lol

[hater]

Scola is rough in the paint & hustles every play…The guy would be a starter on any team in the NBA…How did Houston acquire him?

that is true but I am glad Spurs got rid of him for nothing. He didn't win any Spanish titles for christ sake!!

[temujin]

This is one of the most entertaining threads I read so far.

Not surprisingly, it's about Scola.

The best part is that people actually try to argue.

[yavozerb]

that is true but I am glad Spurs got rid of him for nothing. He didn't win any Spanish titles for christ sake!!

wow, let it go..The spurs front office has many more positive moves that negative ones. Yes, they should have kept Scola and No, nobody on this site knows the true reason why Scola was dealt.

[nkdlunch]

whott's ghost must be pulling levers up in here

[hater]

wow, let it go..The spurs front office has many more positive moves that negative ones. Yes, they should have kept Scola and No, nobody on this site knows the true reason why Scola was dealt.

that is not my point. My point is some ppl in here are claiming they are glad Scola is not in the Spurs because he didn't win any Spanish titles :downspin:

[temujin]

that is true but I am glad Spurs got rid of him for nothing. He didn't win any Spanish titles for christ sake!!

Let me enlighten you.

This was classic Whott.

He is just replicating Whott's arguments.
Less passionate, actually.
Some sort of a cheap lawyer of a lost cause.

He once admitted that it's some sort of Whott's legacy.

Given the circumstances, it is humanly understandable.

[hater]

and I am playing along! :)

[temujin]

and I am playing along! :)

That's what I mean by entertaining......

Sorry about that.

Actually, my arguments with Whott were such -he named me the High Priest of the Scola Church- that I am actually wondering whether my pro-Scola stanch is ALSO some sort of tribute to the guy.

Scola IS a very good player and he is made of the same stone as Manu.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Is there really any doubt that the Spurs would be contending with LA if they had Scola? It would be the Lakers and Spurs, then everybody else. Instead, it's just been the Lakers the past 3 years and we've seen nothing to change that so far. What could've been...

[Bruno]

It's whottt with 3 "t".

[temujin]

Is there really any doubt that the Spurs would be contending with LA if they had Scola? It would be the Lakers and Spurs, then everybody else. Instead, it's just been the Lakers the past 3 years and we've seen nothing to change that so far. What could've been...

Even Scola could not stop Joey Crawford, so the answer is a round NO.
Spurs have had their share.

This is not a market where smallville can make it.

[temujin]

Lese majestè.

[TDMVPDPOY]

4 rings bitch

[Cane]

Is there really any doubt that the Spurs would be contending with LA if they had Scola? It would be the Lakers and Spurs, then everybody else. Instead, it's just been the Lakers the past 3 years and we've seen nothing to change that so far. What could've been...

Nah I don't think Scola would've done it simply because he'd get abused by LA's size and athleticism in the front court. Would've been more competitive but Scola seems to be a defensive liability although he's a very skilled and versatile offensive player. Basically Blair with actual moves and range. Would've been a great addition nonethless though :toast

[nkdlunch]

it's obvious Spurs would have had a decent chance with Scola vs. LA/DAL/PHO rather than being used as a mop the past 3 years

I mean seriously, Bonner or Scola? :pctoss

[temujin]

At eating sandwiches?

Bonner, apparently.

[PDXSpursFan]

Scola game doesn't translate to the NBA :rolleyes

[DAF86]

it's obvious Spurs would have had a decent chance with Scola vs. LA/DAL/PHO rather than being used as a mop the past 3 years

I mean seriously, Bonner or Scola? :pctoss

Bonner: 1 NBA championship
Scola: 0

/thread

[DAF86]

you didn't get it:
- Spurs with David Robinson = 1 championship in 13 years (thanks to Duncan)
- Spurs without David Robinson = 3 championships in 6 years

that DRob what a choker and loser!

I'm both surprised and ashamed nobody corrected this post.

[DeadlyDynasty]

It would be therapeutic for Spurs fans to stop denying reality and just except the fact that the SAS FO made a huge mistake (some already have). Every FO makes blunders, some bigger than others.

[venitian navigator]

The only good reasons for not signing Scola are :

1) if he didn't want to sign with us (but he always said he would have been glad to platy with us);
2) if a part of the Butler deal with the rfockets was that they weren't be drafting Spliter in favor of Brooks

All the others are non reasons...he already was a very good and young player, sure the best "second" big we ever had in these last three years.

However, all in all, I think that not signing him has been a mistake, comparable with the one that somebody in our f.o. made about the age of Nocioni.
In these last three years a front line or a bench with both Nocioni and Scola would have been more than decent...

[TJastal]

This is one of the most entertaining threads I read so far.

Not surprisingly, it's about Scola.

The best part is that people actually try to argue.

It's almost like a gift that keeps on giving..


Bonner: 1 NBA championship
Scola: 0

/thread


Scola game doesn't translate to the NBA


Nah I don't think Scola would've done it simply because he'd get abused by LA's size and athleticism in the front court. Would've been more competitive but Scola seems to be a defensive liability

:lol :lmao

[Cane]

He is a defensive liability imo against LA's frontcourt. Still would've been great on the Spurs though.

Can you make threads now TJastal btw?

[ElNono]

I thought the Rockets were contenders.

You thought wrong.

[DesignatedT]

He had so many easy scores last night. Warriors played no defense.

[DAF86]

It would be therapeutic for Spurs fans to stop denying reality and just except the fact that the SAS FO made a huge mistake (some already have). Every FO makes blunders, some bigger than others.

Scola PF, Duncan PF. They wouldn't had been able to co-exist in the same team.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Scola PF, Duncan PF. They wouldn't had been able to co-exist in the same team.

Duncan's been more of a center the last few years tbh

[Cane]

Duncan's been more of a center the last few years tbh

Not on offense tbh unless Bonner was starting :downspin:. He's been taking more jumpshots and doesn't bang in the paint as much to save his legs.

[DAF86]

Duncan's been more of a center the last few years tbh

Everybody knows that Bonner is our center.

And that Duncan is the greatest PF of all time.

[TJastal]

You thought wrong.

Rockets will still make the playoffs, and quite easily I'll wager. Monta Ellis had the game of his life (18-24, 46pts).

That's 75% shooting if my math serves... ain't gonna happen often.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Not on offense tbh unless Bonner was starting :downspin:. He's been taking more jumpshots and doesn't bang in the paint as much to save his legs.


Everybody knows that Bonner is our center.

And that Duncan is the greatest PF of all time.

my bad, fellas:lol

[DAF86]

my bad, fellas:lol

No problem, but don't ever make that mistake again.

[nkdlunch]

Rockets will still make the playoffs, and quite easily I'll wager. Monta Ellis had the game of his life (18-24, 46pts).

That's 75% shooting if my math serves... ain't gonna happen often.

LOL who was guarding him??

[ElNono]

Rockets will still make the playoffs, and quite easily I'll wager. Monta Ellis had the game of his life (18-24, 46pts).

That's 75% shooting if my math serves... ain't gonna happen often.

Making the playoffs and being a contender are two different things, IMO.

For the Rockets to be even considered contenders, they need Yao to be back 100% (no injury setbacks, back in shape, needs to play more than 24 mpg, available every game, etc).

I think he didn't even play last night.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Battier I think

[ElNono]

BTW, this thread could easily be in the NBA Forums at this point...

[phxspurfan]

Scola Thread! Love the Topic..so here is a youtube vid from last nights game.

3-vVZ0rjYog

Would have been a thing of beauty watching him play alongside Duncan. That's not even talking from a Rocketsfan perspective. Just pure basketball.

Wow. Dude is ballin his arse off...making instant decisions, playing with tons of confidence

[TJastal]

Wow. Dude is ballin his arse off...making instant decisions, playing with tons of confidence

Beautiful block and steal too, so much for the "Scola can't play defense" theory

[ChumpDumper]

Scola is a good basketball player.

How many alternate reality championships have the Spurs won with him?

[Sisk]

I'm both surprised and ashamed nobody corrected this post.

That surprised me as well. Oh well...

It's pretty clear that if we had kept Scola this team would be much better today. Might have even won another championship.

[TJastal]

Scola is a good basketball player.

How many alternate reality championships have the Spurs won with him?

Oh come on Chump, your ruining our fun with this thread....

[yavozerb]

That surprised me as well. Oh well...

It's pretty clear that if we had kept Scola this team would be much better today. Might have even won another championship.

Damn, according to all the what-if sayers in this thread the spurs should have about 10 championships by now...

[Spursfanfromafar]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

Bad logic from an otherwise most logical poster on this board..

The Rockets lost not because of Scola, but despite him.

[cheguevara]

Damn, according to all the what-if sayers in this thread the spurs should have about 10 championships by now...

I count 8

1999, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009

[Bruno]

Bad logic from an otherwise most logical poster on this board..

The Rockets lost not because of Scola, but despite him.

It's sure that Rockets allowing 122 points per game this year has nothign to do with Scola being one of the wost defensive bigman in the NBA.

Scola would be fine as a bench player paid a couple of millions but he is starting material or worth $9M per year.

[cheguevara]

It's sure that Rockets allowing 122 points per game this year has nothign to do with Scola being one of the wost defensive bigman in the NBA.

Scola would be fine as a bench player paid a couple of millions but he is starting material or worth $9M per year.

how many points are the tandem Bonner + Blair allowing this year?

oh that's right, there was an all you can eat line in the Spurs paint last nite until Bonner broke and Pop had to send Dice in for Blair

[cheguevara]

Scola would be fine as a bench player paid a couple of millions but he is starting material or worth $9M per year.

and Bonner is worth $3M per year?

[DeadlyDynasty]

how many points are the tandem Bonner + Blair allowing this year?

oh that's right, there was an all you can eat line in the Spurs paint last nite until Bonner broke and Pop had to send Dice in for Blair

+1, and that was against INDY, a bottom-feeding EC team.

[z0sa]

and Bonner is worth $3M per year?

Yes, actually.

[Bruno]

and Bonner is worth $3M per year?

Bonner being overpaid doesn't make Scola less overpaid.
I was against re-signing Bonner even with a min contract.

[cheguevara]

Bonner being overpaid doesn't make Scola less overpaid.
I was against re-signing Bonner even with a min contract.

newsflash: most NBA players are overpaid.

Even if he is the worst defensive bigman in the league, which is a stretch since we have players like Bonner around. His offense and hustle, in this league, earns his paycheck.

[slick'81]

lol with yaos situation scolas gonna ball this season and unfortunately as spur fans well never hear the end of it

[DAF86]

How many championships have the Rockets won with Scola? Yeah, that's right.

/thread x 2

[DeadlyDynasty]

How many championships have the Rockets won with Scola? Yeah, that's right.

/thread x 2

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4703411&postcount=56

[DAF86]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4703411&postcount=56

No way the Rockets make the playoffs with Scrubla as their main bigman.

[DeadlyDynasty]

No way the Rockets make the playoffs with Scrubla as their main bigman.

Rockets are going to the playoffs, I have no doubt about it.

How much would you like to wager? We can do real cash or vBookie cash...whatever you feel more comfortable with.

[hitmanyr2k]

Scola's post game is a thing of beauty. He doesn't rely on a bit of athleticism. It's all footwork and touch around the basket. You gotta love that. I remember during the 2009 playoffs Scola was abusing Odom on the block despite Odom towering over him with those long arms. :lol @ the Spurs for giving him away for magic beans and pissing away a good 3 years of solid contention with this guy manning the paint with Duncan. Instead those dipshits overpay for Bonner and R-Jeff... have mercy :lol

[TJastal]

Rockets are going to the playoffs, I have no doubt about it.

How much would you like to wager? We can do real cash or vBookie cash...whatever you feel more comfortable with.

Don't hog it all, I want some of that action, DeadlyDynasty:greedy

[dbreiden83080]

Some fans will never let this one die..

[phxspurfan]

Some fans will never let this one die..

f that, I personally will never let this one die completely. It's almost as bad as the Red Sox letting go of the Babe.

[DesignatedT]

Let it go already. Everyone knows getting rid of Scola was a mistake so drop it already. I don't see what good any of this does. If you like him so much than go be a fucking rockets fan. As Raheem Morris would say "stats are for losers"...

[DesignatedT]

f that, I personally will never let this one die completely. It's almost as bad as the Red Sox letting go of the Babe.


I hope you're joking.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Let it go already. Everyone knows getting rid of Scola was a mistake so drop it already. I don't see what good any of this does. If you like him so much than go be a fucking rockets fan. As Raheem Morris would say "stats are for losers"...

I'd revisit that quote at the end of the year when the Bucs are 7-9

[DesignatedT]

I'd revisit that quote at the end of the year when the Bucs are 7-9

:lol

[kaji157]

To be fair with the Rox, for non basketball reasons (big money) they are forced to play 2 different styles of basketball on back to back nights. And their coach seems very lost about it.
I got to watch both games, and against LA they were avoiding posting up Scola until the 4th quarter, going into Yao, Brooks and Martin a lot more. When the fourth came, they wen´t to Scola and he scored in 6 of 7 times they went to him. They had used Yao for defensive purpouses only and would have won that game. But you know you have to give Yao the ball if you want the money he gets you.
Against GS they went onto Scola from the begining, and after starting 2-8 he went 12-16 the rest of the game. Of course Martin and Brooks combining for 9-30 shooting and letting Ellis and Curry go 30 of 40 didn´t help either.
But in their defense playing with Yao the night before didn´t help on many aspects, aside from being better defensive on SOME plays (non pnr defenses mainly), we cant say Yao stopped Gasol at any moment, and we cant say he was a force inside (4-11). Yet they were forced to play a slow peace with Yao in, completelly ignoring Scola (which i think is their most efficient scorer as of now) just to see Yao brick every kind of shots, and then go to an up-tempo, where Martin and Brooks combined for 37 points when Yao was out.
Of course, in the clutch, they went to Scola and he scored, but having a coach with guts to put everyone in place in that team and you have a pretty good one.
Specially if you make Yao to focus mainly on the defensive end, having a touch here and there on offense, and keeping the ball as much as you can away from Brooks who is like a teenager Tony Parker with lesser penetration skills.

[dbreiden83080]

f that, I personally will never let this one die completely. It's almost as bad as the Red Sox letting go of the Babe.

What's the point? He's gone and never coming back. Whining about it won't get the Spurs any closer to a title..

[temujin]

Bonner: 1 NBA championship
Scola: 0

/thread

:lmao

That's a beauty, right there.

In the five pages contest, this is a gem.

[temujin]

Bad logic from an otherwise most logical poster on this board..

The Rockets lost not because of Scola, but despite him.

Don't ruin the "logic".

Let the thread flow the way it is meant and entertain us all, please.

Thanks.

[temujin]

Scola's post game is a thing of beauty. He doesn't rely on a bit of athleticism. It's all footwork and touch around the basket. You gotta love that. I remember during the 2009 playoffs Scola was abusing Odom on the block despite Odom towering over him with those long arms. :lol @ the Spurs for giving him away for magic beans and pissing away a good 3 years of solid contention with this guy manning the paint with Duncan. Instead those dipshits overpay for Bonner and R-Jeff... have mercy :lol

Shhh!

[Mal]

Scola would be fine as a bench player paid a couple of millions but he is starting material or worth $9M per year.

Who making occasionally 36/16 wouldnt be fine ? Scola is paid what he deserve. Look at freakin Bynum

[DeadlyDynasty]

Don't hog it all, I want some of that action, DeadlyDynasty:greedy

It's the juiciest bet I've come across yet

[Indazone]

Scola PF, Duncan PF. They wouldn't had been able to co-exist in the same team.

Rigggghhhhhtttt!!! Like Duncan and Robinson couldn't coexist or the twin towers concept is unworkable. Ya you keep thinking that.

[noob cake]

Who making occasionally 36/16 wouldnt be fine ? Scola is paid what he deserve. Look at freakin Bynum

To be fair, 27/16 over 2 game. Scola is gonna pull sick rebounding numbers with Yao playing 50% of regular starter minutes (no b2b, 24 minutes a game)

[diego]

i agree that its done, it happened and theres nothing to do or say about it now. so let it go!

but I cant stand to hear the rationalizations some people make.

against the lakers in 09, scola played very well, IMO he matches up very well with odom.

as for salaries, according to sham:
scola is making 7.75M this year. zach randolph is making 17.6
other bigs making more than scola this year, who IMO are not better players this season or the following:
Boris Diaw
antwan jamison
tyson chandler
kenyon martin
nene
biedrins
okur
okafor
curry
brand
dalembert
bargnani

the players that have comparable deals / production are:

odom, david west, paul millsap. millsap makes 100.000 less, the others make 5-600k more
yeah, he sure is overpaid. oh, but he's the worst defender in this list, right? wouldnt it be better to pay bargnani an extra 1M for his D? how about jamison an extra 5 for his D? or okafor an extra 3M for his great D / no O? or dalembert an extra 6? or brand an extra 8?

further, scola has been extremely durable, which is a large part of the reason I listed some of the guys on that list up there.

i dont know how well the spurs would have done with scola, but it sure as hell would have been better than what they did with bonner. the argument was he'd get in tim's way and was a poor rebounder. in the time he has been in the NBA, he has shown he is an above average rebounder, can hit his J at least as well as mcdyess, and on top of that tim has played farther and farther from the basket... yes, just let it go.

[dunkman]

The Spurs made a big mistake with him. He can pass, rebound, score at will. While he's a choker, he would have the big 3 to help in critical moments. The Spurs would have been a more dangerous team since 2007.

From 2007-2008 to the 2009-2010 season, while the NBA best teams added quality bigs, besides Tim Duncan, the Spurs didn't have enough talent at those positions.

- Scola could have helped in the 2008 playoffs, but the Spurs had no chances against the Celtics.
- In 2009 the Spurs were terrible, they had no chances with or without Scola. They could have made it to the second round by miracle, but not further.
- For the 2010 playoffs run, the Spurs would have better regular season. Against the Suns it would have been the same, but more contested. The Spurs could have avoided the Suns if the Lakers would have met them first, however, it would have been very difficult to survive both the Lakers and the Celtics. The Celtics were beating all without HCA, including the Lakers until Perkins suffered his injury, which is a display of considerable domination and the Celtics wouldn't miss Perkins so much against the Spurs as they did against the Lakers.

In the end, with Scola the Spurs wouldn't have had more titles. There would have been deeper playoffs runs and the Spurs would have attracted better FA's.

For this year, Scola plays as borderline all-star, but the Spurs have one of the NBA best bigman rotations and I think this season the Spurs will win the championship anyway.

[DAF86]

:lmao

That's a beauty, right there.

In the five pages contest, this is a gem.

Thanks, I only do it for the kids.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Scola looks slow and unathletic - leaden-footed to tell the truth - but he kills people with fundamentals. He has great footwork, spins in both directions, he can use both hands, and he has very soft touch on his hook and jumper. He's also extremely court-savvy and knows where to be to grab the rebound or upset the other team when defending. He would've been a great Spur. C'est la vie.

[phxspurfan]

Scola looks slow and unathletic - leaden-footed to tell the truth - but he kills people with fundamentals. He has great footwork, spins in both directions, he can use both hands, and he has very soft touch on his hook and jumper. He's also extremely court-savvy and knows where to be to grab the rebound or upset the other team when defending. He would've been a great Spur. C'est la vie.

Not everybody has to be LeBron to get the job done. In fact, if Scola were as physically gifted as LeBron, he probably would have an ego the size of LeBron's and not give the same effort every game.

[MmP]

Manu has been physically gifted as much as Lebron in his prime and has been as humble as he could be since he was 23. I think these argies just play strong and with no care for opponents but when you talk them they're very humble and centered.

When I saw this thread had +5 pages I thought it was a bump from last year. Man..if scola somehow keep this up (being the guy the players he has around) the guy pretty much has to be a top 5 PF

[ShoogarBear]

Wait, the Spurs used to have Scola?

[Sean Cagney]

:lol
Scola's a beast, Spurs fucked up, and you need to get hell over it Kermit.

Yep, but they atleast have titles in the last 14 years or so....... I am sure he and other fans will live with that :lol

[ducks]

Don't blame Scola, that lose can be chalked up to a total lack of perimeter defense. You should be fucking slapped for even thinking the Rockets are contenders. :pimpslap

he missed several layups against the lakers
had he made them they would have won

[ducks]

Scola game doesn't translate to the NBA :rolleyes

rj game does not translate to the spurs

scola game would not have either

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's sure that Rockets allowing 122 points per game this year has nothign to do with Scola being one of the wost defensive bigman in the NBA.

Scola would be fine as a bench player paid a couple of millions but he is starting material or worth $9M per year.

It is relative to what the Rockets have. Scola might be a defensive sieve, but his offensive, rebounding and hustle abilities have kept him in good stead for the Rockets.

Considering the numbers he provides (17ppg, 9rpg, 2apg) plus hustle, he is an above average big man in the league. And considering that the most average big man in the league has been paid way above the average player in the league, $9mil is par for course.

My problem is that you seem to belittle him to make him seem an irrelevant and useless player..which he is not, definitely.

[kuato]

Don't forget the argie synergy effect! Manu + 1 Argentine partner = Lethal pick and roll. Anyone who beleaves that Scola is not a good player is simply stupid.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wtf are some clowns in here still obsessed with this clown?

how many years has it been?

how many rings have we won since drafting him?

this is fail

[temujin]

he missed several layups against the lakers
had he made them they would have won

That's the best of page 6.

Keep them coming.

[Double-Up]

he missed several layups against the lakers
had he made them they would have won

I know that, I was talking about the game vs the Warriors.

[Solid D]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzEiOKUEV1SA4ICJ1-PFAaOWG4tjvkklJUG3-kdHwMTyxTn6A&t=1&usg=__hkf8DuAbpZQGn_J-BcuixZzzXeo=

R.C.'s gun

[noob cake]

Just a heads up, Scola has 26/9 right now on 70% shooting.

Sadly we'll lose

[itzsoweezee]

The Scola debacle was the beginning of the end of the Spurs. I called it at the time. Unfortunately, I was right.

[noob cake]

whatever 28/10 on 75% in a loss, empty stats as usual

[Killakobe81]

Manu has been physically gifted as much as Lebron in his prime and has been as humble as he could be since he was 23. I think these argies just play strong and with no care for opponents but when you talk them they're very humble and centered.

When I saw this thread had +5 pages I thought it was a bump from last year. Man..if scola somehow keep this up (being the guy the players he has around) the guy pretty much has to be a top 5 PF

No one not Mj, kobe or TMAC is as gifted physically as Lebron.

[mystargtr34]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzEiOKUEV1SA4ICJ1-PFAaOWG4tjvkklJUG3-kdHwMTyxTn6A&t=1&usg=__hkf8DuAbpZQGn_J-BcuixZzzXeo=

R.C.'s gun

Lol

[Bruno]

Another monster stat game from Scola, another loss from Rockets...
They are now 0-3...

And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand why Scola is a loser that hurt his team success.
On the defensive end, he is atrocious. The only thing he has for him is his hustle and the most he plays and scores, the less energy he has to defend.
On the offensive, he scores some points but he didn't make his teammates better and hurt the offensive flow of his team.

Maybe Rockets staff will be smart enough to realize that he is just empty stats like Zach Randolph. They could trade him for something good to a dumb GM and start winning like Caja Laboral did when they lost him.

[MmP]

Wha? Bruno c'mon man. Im no Scola nor Rockets fan. But Scola makes the team much better. The problem there it's not Scola. If Luis makes something is trying to do what the team lacks, quemestry. His points mostly comes from good positioning, hustle and last drawn plays for him. I mean, he shot 12-16.!

You're saying like he's the problem of the team and that's far off. Ask any Rocket fan.

Empty stats? His stats are like Manu's, he has the type of passionate game I've seen carefully. Even if you see the +/-, he's got the best of the team.

Be realistic, man. He's not guilty of not being with the team.

[MmP]

No one not Mj, kobe or TMAC is as gifted physically as Lebron.

Manu was physically different from those. More crafty, very flexible and had huge hops. I didn't mean it in the way Lebron uses his big body. Manu has always been very skinny but youg rookie/sophomore Manu was very athletic as much (not exactly) as any jumper in the league.

[rascal]

And Rockets are 0-2. :rollin

Scola is the Latino version or Randolph: a loser with empty stats. I'm glad Spurs aren't paying $9M for that.

Sour grapes here. Scola is off to a great start, the Rockets as a team are not. Don't confuse the two.

[rascal]

Scola looks slow and unathletic - leaden-footed to tell the truth - but he kills people with fundamentals. He has great footwork, spins in both directions, he can use both hands, and he has very soft touch on his hook and jumper. He's also extremely court-savvy and knows where to be to grab the rebound or upset the other team when defending. He would've been a great Spur. C'est la vie.

Good post here.

[rascal]

Another monster stat game from Scola, another loss from Rockets...
They are now 0-3...

And you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand why Scola is a loser that hurt his team success.
On the defensive end, he is atrocious. The only thing he has for him is his hustle and the most he plays and scores, the less energy he has to defend.
On the offensive, he scores some points but he didn't make his teammates better and hurt the offensive flow of his team.

Maybe Rockets staff will be smart enough to realize that he is just empty stats like Zach Randolph. They could trade him for something good to a dumb GM and start winning like Caja Laboral did when they lost him.

I don't know who voted you as 1'st team poster, it sure wasn't me.

[dunkman]

The Scola debacle was the beginning of the end of the Spurs. I called it at the time. Unfortunately, I was right.

RC and Pop couldn't see the changes the NBA was taking after the 2007 title. They were too confident in the level in talent they had and their coaching stuff. Scola gave them some problems or they saw what

The Celtics added Allen and KG, it resulted that their not so high picks Rondo and Perkins were excellent players, and that Doc Rivers with Tibodeau were as good coaches as it gets. The Lakers controversially added Ariza for a scrub, Fisher was magically released and signed for nothing, and they got Gasol for two scrubs, second round 4-5 years project and a very low first round pick.

On the other hand, the Spurs wasted 2 first rounders to dump Rose's last 4 years of contract who wasn't really a bad player for the Spurs, they wasted another first round pick in Mahinmi, finally they wasted Scola to unload Butler's two last years of bad contract. Curiously, the Spurs could have signed Scola instead of Butler.

When the Spurs reacted and started picking good players like Splitter, Hill, Blair and Anderson, it was too late and the power shifted to the Lakers and Celtics, also should be noted that the Heat may have assembled a terrific team.

Besides the big 3 that became older, it took too much time to add a solid big after Horry's wheels fell and there is still no wing defender similar to Bowen.

[rascal]

RC and Pop couldn't see the changes the NBA was taking after the 2007 title. They were too confident in the level in talent they had and their coaching stuff. Scola gave them some problems or they saw what

The Celtics added Allen and KG, it resulted that their not so high picks Rondo and Perkins were excellent players, and that Doc Rivers with Tibodeau were as good coaches as it gets. The Lakers controversially added Ariza for a scrub, Fisher was magically released and signed for nothing, and they got Gasol for two scrubs, second round 4-5 years project and a very low first round pick.

On the other hand, the Spurs wasted 2 first rounders to dump Rose's last 4 years of contract who wasn't really a bad player for the Spurs, they wasted another first round pick in Mahinmi, finally they wasted Scola to unload Butler's two last years of bad contract. Curiously, the Spurs could have signed Scola instead of Butler.

When the Spurs reacted and started picking good players like Splitter, Hill, Blair and Anderson, it was too late and the power shifted to the Lakers and Celtics, also should be noted that the Heat may have assembled a terrific team.

Besides the big 3 that became older, it took too much time to add a solid big after Horry's wheels fell and there is still no wing defender similar to Bowen.

Good post. The front office has not done enough to keep the spurs a legitimate contender after their last title.

Keeping the core as is and not adding the right role players has lead to a decline that will see Duncan finish up with the 4 titles and the spurs rebuilding from the bottom hoping to get lucky to land the next franchise player through the draft when he leaves.

This years team is not much different than last years team. They brought back basically the same team with the exception of adding Splitter and losing Mason for Anderson(who won't play a big role this year). Parker is healthier but Manu and Duncan are a year older. Is Splitter alone enough to turn the team into a contender?

[ElNono]

Meanwhile, Bogans is still starting for Chicago. He is shooting a whooping 1-6 from downtown and averages 2.5 PPG in 30 mins.

But since Chicago is 1-1, clearly Bogans > Scola... :rolleyes

[dunkman]

Good post. The front office has not done enough to keep the spurs a legitimate contender after their last title.

Keeping the core as is and not adding the right role players has lead to a decline that will see Duncan finish up with the 4 titles and the spurs rebuilding from the bottom hoping to get lucky to land the next franchise player through the draft when he leaves.

This years team is not much different than last years team. They brought back basically the same team with the exception of adding Splitter and losing Mason for Anderson(who won't play a big role this year). Parker is healthier but Manu and Duncan are a year older. Is Splitter alone enough to turn the team into a contender?

I think that the FO probably have some problems to explain why after paying so much luxury tax last season, the team went 0:4 against the Suns in the second round. The ambitions must have been at least WCF or the finals.

Many people now think the Spurs are not a real contender (which affects ticket sales), along with the apparent negative to pay luxury tax, it would explain why the team hasn't signed the wing defender yet, when it was specified as a need by RC in an interview, and it's obvious by the first games that the perimeter defense isn't good.

Hopefully Hill, RJ, Anderson and Neal will be able to defend as they gain more experience. Splitter should help too with his length and good speed.

[ALVAREZ6]

Manu has been physically gifted as much as Lebron in his prime and has been as humble as he could be since he was 23. I think these argies just play strong and with no care for opponents but when you talk them they're very humble and centered.

When I saw this thread had +5 pages I thought it was a bump from last year. Man..if scola somehow keep this up (being the guy the players he has around) the guy pretty much has to be a top 5 PF



Manu, Scola, Nocioni...all of these guys always give 100%, no ego, simply want to win, as a team. Any coach should want an Argentine on their roster :tu

[TJastal]

RC and Pop couldn't see the changes the NBA was taking after the 2007 title. They were too confident in the level in talent they had and their coaching stuff. Scola gave them some problems or they saw what

The Celtics added Allen and KG, it resulted that their not so high picks Rondo and Perkins were excellent players, and that Doc Rivers with Tibodeau were as good coaches as it gets. The Lakers controversially added Ariza for a scrub, Fisher was magically released and signed for nothing, and they got Gasol for two scrubs, second round 4-5 years project and a very low first round pick.

On the other hand, the Spurs wasted 2 first rounders to dump Rose's last 4 years of contract who wasn't really a bad player for the Spurs, they wasted another first round pick in Mahinmi, finally they wasted Scola to unload Butler's two last years of bad contract. Curiously, the Spurs could have signed Scola instead of Butler.

When the Spurs reacted and started picking good players like Splitter, Hill, Blair and Anderson, it was too late and the power shifted to the Lakers and Celtics, also should be noted that the Heat may have assembled a terrific team.

Besides the big 3 that became older, it took too much time to add a solid big after Horry's wheels fell and there is still no wing defender similar to Bowen.

Good concise analysis. The bolded part pretty much sums up why the spurs off a cliff since the 2007 title. I'd say another of the death blows occured back in 2006 when a mysterious mental ailment started causing Popovich to start obsessing with playing small ball which ultimately cost the spurs a great center (Nazr Mohammed), who would have been a great 7 foot presence /shot blocker/interior defender to have paired with Tim for his twilight years.

[ChumpDumper]

How could the Spurs have signed Scola instead of Butler that season?

Are you his agent?

[dunkman]

How could the Spurs have signed Scola instead of Butler that season?

Are you his agent?

Scola got $9.3M in 2007 over 3 years from the Rockets, Butler was signed in 2006 for $7.1M for the same period. Per year it wasn't a huge difference.

The Nuggets didn't match Elson, because they were over the luxury threshold. Instead of paying him $3M x 2, the Spurs could have arranged something like $2.5M + $3M + third year team option with $500K guaranteed, to have enough of the MLE for Scola.

[TJastal]

How could the Spurs have signed Scola instead of Butler that season?

Are you his agent?


Scola got $9.3M in 2007 over 3 years from the Rockets, Butler was signed in 2006 for $7.1M for the same period. Per year it wasn't a huge difference.

The Nuggets didn't match Elson, because they were over the luxury threshold. Instead of paying him $3M x 2, the Spurs could have arranged something like $2.5M + $3M + third year team option with $500K guaranteed, to have enough of the MLE for Scola.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8576/bitchslapped.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/bitchslapped.jpg/)

[noob cake]

http://www.asternwarning.com/images/stories/luis%20scola%20-%20crew%20cut-%20ASW.jpg

Scola Approves

[TDMVPDPOY]

meaningless stats on a lottery team

[ChumpDumper]

Scola got $9.3M in 2007 over 3 years from the Rockets, Butler was signed in 2006 for $7.1M for the same period. Per year it wasn't a huge difference.

The Nuggets didn't match Elson, because they were over the luxury threshold. Instead of paying him $3M x 2, the Spurs could have arranged something like $2.5M + $3M + third year team option with $500K guaranteed, to have enough of the MLE for Scola.


http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8576/bitchslapped.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/bitchslapped.jpg/)You're acting like Scola could have been bought out that year that Butler was signed.

Again, what do you know that we don't?

Thanks in advance.

Asking both of you now.

[TJastal]

You're acting like Scola could have been bought out that year that Butler was signed.

Again, what do you know that we don't?

Thanks in advance.

Asking both of you now.

http://www.insidehoops.com/blogs/?p=62


For the past twenty four hours, Scola’s agents and the Rockets have been negotiating a deal which would help bring Scola to the states, and most importantly buy out his contract from Tau Ceramica. NBA rules state the Rockets can only contribute 500,000 dollars towards a buy out, therefore the negotiations involve front loading the contract in order to allow Scola to give the money for his buy out. According to chron.com, the deal in place seems to be a reasonable $10 million over the course of three years. An awesome deal for a proven winner.

So why the hell couldn't the spurs have negotiated something along these lines?

[ChumpDumper]

So you have no evidence Tau was willing to do that the year Butler was signed or that the terms of the buyout would be exactly the same.

Thanks.

[TJastal]

So you have no evidence Tau was willing to do that the year Butler was signed or that the terms of the buyout would be exactly the same.

Thanks.

Just like you have no evidence the spurs really tried that hard to pry Scola out of Europe. Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

Just like you have no evidence the spurs really tried to pry Scola out of Europe. Thanks.This forum is replete with threads and links to articles about the negotiations to bring Scola over to the Spurs.

If you are being willfully ignorant because your celebration was premature and now you are scrambling after being called out, I understand -- but anyone who knows anything about the Spurs would know about this.

Are you truly ignorant of the negotiations or just lying about being ignorant about them?

I'll believe either.

[TJastal]

This forum is replete with threads and links to articles about the negotiations to bring Scola over to the Spurs.

If you are being willfully ignorant because your celebration was premature and now you are scrambling after being called out, I understand -- but anyone who knows anything about the Spurs would know about this.

Are you truly ignorant of the negotiations or just lying about being ignorant about them?

I'll believe either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Scola

Most of the news articles I've looked at say the same thing, that Tau eventually settled on a 2.5m-3m buyout, which the spurs could have gotten done with a front-loaded contract much like the one the rockets offered. The spurs just weren't that interested in getting it done it seems. They were more concerned with penny pinching than bringing in the best players possible to augment the big 3.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol "seems."

All you are giving is conjecture based on your biases.

Again, were you totally ignorant of the negotiations between the Spurs and Baskonia or were you simply lying about it?

[TJastal]

:lol "seems."

All you are giving is conjecture based on your biases.

Again, were you totally ignorant of the negotiations between the Spurs and Baskonia or were you simply lying about it?

Maybe I got a bad link/article, but the proof is all right in the link I provided from Wiki.. says Tau wanted 3m for buyout. Is Wiki wrong? (somehow I doubt it).


In the summer of 2005, the San Antonio Spurs of the NBA (who drafted Scola in 2002) attempted to negotiate with Baskonia to buy out his contract. After initially throwing around numbers as large as $1.5 million, Baskonia eventually settled on a still higher number of over $3 million for the contract. This made it difficult for Scola to join fellow Argentina national team member Manu Ginóbili in San Antonio because of the NBA's rule which limits teams to paying no more than $500,000 of a player's buyout.[2] Scola would have been responsible for paying Baskonia the remaining $2.5 million. When the deal to buy out Scola's contract fell through, the Spurs instead signed an Argentine national team teammate and friend of Scola's Fabricio Oberto.

Scola wanted desperately to come to the nba. Enough so he was willing to pay the 2.5m himself (along with the 500K from nba team). So all that was needed was a little help from the spurs with a front loaded contract. Could the spurs manage this? Apparently not. Almost as soon as he is dealt to the rockets, a deal magically happens and Scola is on a plane to Houston.

[ChumpDumper]

Is Wiki wrong?In this case, there is no attribution at all.

Wikipedia is often wrong for just this reason.

[TJastal]

In this case, there is no attribution at all.

Wikipedia is often wrong for just this reason.

Sure about that, Chumper?

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/spurs-nba-fan-feedback/38812-luis-scola-speaks-out-his-contract-buyout-his-future-spurs.html


There is a rumor in San Antonio that your buyout is around 14.5 millions dollars. Is that correct?

No. That buyout is only for teams of Europe. The buyout for the NBA is different.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and "guess" it was the same buyout amount as was tendered to the rockets. :rollin

[ChumpDumper]

You can guess whatever you want. Doesn't make it actually true. I never saw an actual number that summer. I could have missed it, but I would think someone would have been repeating it in every Scola thread.

Good job reading up on it though. Turns out you were actually ignorant about the negotiations.

As I said, I'm not surprised.

[TJastal]

You can guess whatever you want. Doesn't make it actually true. I never saw an actual number that summer. I could have missed it, but I would think someone would have been repeating it in every Scola thread.

Good job reading up on it though. Turns out you were actually ignorant about the negotiations.

As I said, I'm not surprised.

LOL. Who freakin' cares that I needed to look up a fact or two, I am pretty much right on the money aren't I?

Why do you think Scola deliberately kept the buyout amount a secret? He obviously didn't want to embarass the spurs organization (and himself too) with how indifferent and shitty (throw in cheap too) they handled his situation with Tau.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL. Who freakin' cares that I needed to look up a fact or two, I am pretty much right on the money aren't I?Thanks for admitting you were ignorant. You are making things up to suit your agenda.


Why do you think Scola deliberately kept the buyout amount a secret? He obviously didn't want to embarass the spurs organization (and himself too) with how indifferent and shitty (throw in cheaply too) they handled his situation with Tau.Another thing you made up to suit your agenda.

My contention here was that you didn't know what you were talking about and were making things up. I am pretty much right on the money, aren't I?

[TJastal]

Thanks for admitting you were ignorant. You are making things up to suit your agenda.

Another thing you made up to suit your agenda.

My contention here was that you didn't know what you were talking about and were making things up. I am pretty much right on the money, aren't I?

It's called 'intuition', son.

And I see your rolling out your latest strawman argument as a last ditch effort to smear me. Tells me my work here is finished. Good day.

[ChumpDumper]

It's called 'intuition', son.It's called making stuff up, son.


And I see your rolling out your latest strawman argument as a last ditch effort to smear me. Tells me my work here is finished. Good day.I started out what a poster knew that the rest of us didn't know. He came out with a baseless answer that you celebrated, thinking you had some kind of vicarious victory. I then asked you what was the factual basis of that theory. Turns out you were completely ignorant of the negotiations between Baskonia and the Spurs and had to scramble to find an unsourced Wikipedia article in an attempt to retroactively prove something someone else made up.

You failed, so you just started making up more and more stuff to convince yourself you were right. And you topped it off by showing more ignorance regarding the definition of straw man.

Now, of course, declaring victory and running away is all that's left for you to do.

Better luck next time.

[TJastal]

It's called making stuff up, son.

I started out what a poster knew that the rest of us didn't know. He came out with a baseless answer that you celebrated, thinking you had some kind of vicarious victory. I then asked you what was the factual basis of that theory. Turns out you were completely ignorant of the negotiations between Baskonia and the Spurs and had to scramble to find an unsourced Wikipedia article in an attempt to retroactively prove something someone else made up.

You failed, so you just started making up more and more stuff to convince yourself you were right. And you topped it off by showing more ignorance regarding the definition of straw man.

Now, of course, declaring victory and running away is all that's left for you to do.

Better luck next time.

Yup, we're all just supposed to believe that Tau just magically lowered their buyout demands the exact day Scola's rights were traded to the rockets and they just miraculously made a deal with his camp less than 24 hours later. Poor Pop/F.O. just tried so hard too.

:lol

[dunkman]

It's called making stuff up, son.

I started out what a poster knew that the rest of us didn't know. He came out with a baseless answer that you celebrated, thinking you had some kind of vicarious victory. I then asked you what was the factual basis of that theory. Turns out you were completely ignorant of the negotiations between Baskonia and the Spurs and had to scramble to find an unsourced Wikipedia article in an attempt to retroactively prove something someone else made up.

You failed, so you just started making up more and more stuff to convince yourself you were right. And you topped it off by showing more ignorance regarding the definition of straw man.

Now, of course, declaring victory and running away is all that's left for you to do.

Better luck next time.

I don't have access to evidence as it would be needed to prove something in a court, but with what has been posted it's safe to assume the Spurs were uninterested in Scola.

Since we are posting a forum and not exchanging court documents, it's unreasonable to act so picky. You neither posted any kind of evidence to support an opposite scenario.

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Changing the subject, at the time, I thought his camp wanted way too much money or Saski Baskonia didn't want to lower the buyout, and that's why the negotiations never prospered year after year.

It was total surprise to know he signed a $2.9M per year based contract for the Rockets. The Spurs signed 4 bigs for similar money (Bonner, Elson and Butler, Oberto). The Butler move was ridiculous in particular, he never did anything to be worth a $7.1M / 3 years contract. Scola was at least MVP of the ACB league twice, by the example of Nocioni and others that means something.

That being said, I think that Scola would have been a role player for the Spurs mostly from the bench. But still he would have been a quality addition that would improve the roster. He could always step up when there were injuries and when the Spurs had problems scoring. Defense can be taught, after all.

[kuato]

Close this thread please.

[ALVAREZ6]

LMAO @ Chump holy shit.


This is just a whole new level of douchebaggery. No sense in arguing with a judge.

[ChumpDumper]

Yup, we're all just supposed to believe that Tau just magically lowered their buyout demands the exact day Scola's rights were traded to the rockets and they just miraculously made a deal with his camp less than 24 hours later. Poor Pop/F.O. just tried so hard too.

:lolWhy would you assume it would happen in one day? We're talking about a full year later.

You have serious timeline problems. That's not a surprise given your admitted ignorance on this issue.

And you lied about being done.


I don't have access to evidenceExactly.

Thanks for admitting it.

That's all I was asking.

[Solid D]

http://www.asternwarning.com/images/stories/luis%20scola%20-%20crew%20cut-%20ASW.jpg

Scola Approves

Dude, Scola has the opposite of a cul-de-sac.

[dunkman]

ignorance on this issue.

Your words.

[Indazone]

I'm just hoping he can keep this pace up. From what I saw last year when Landry got traded out and Scola's minutes increased, I think he should be able to be a 20-10 player.

After 3 games
Luis Scola #4 PF
2010-11 STATS
PPG RPG BPG
27.3 14 1

[Obilivo]

l like this thread just as l like Luis Scola,he is going to be an all star this season.

[Leonard Curse]

i like scola and im happy for him what the hell is the big deal???? if you guys are still craping your pants over this i can only imagine how the past haunts your real life!!

[ChumpDumper]

Your words.Your ignorance.

[dunkman]

Your ignorance.

Your lying.

[ChumpDumper]

Your lying.I lied about nothing. I never made claims I couldn't back up.

You are the one who acted like you knew something you didn't.

I called you and your fanboy out on it.

You admitted you made it up.

Now you both are whining about it.

[dunkman]

I lied about nothing. I never made claims I couldn't back up.

You are the one who acted like you knew something you didn't.

I called you and your fanboy out on it.

You admitted you made it up.

Now you both are whining about it.

Personally, I think it wasn't ok to imply you are some kind of bitch, however you are the one whining. Big time.

You claim that I couldn't back up what I wrote. Which is untrue.

You took a phrase out of the whole sentence to make the interpretation that totally contradicts my idea. It's untrue I admitted what you claim.

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Scola would have helped more than most of the bigs the Spurs signed for part of the MLE. In particular, Butler apportion was almost nothing. But I don't think he would have such big role with the Spurs as he has with the Rockets.

[ChumpDumper]

Personally, I think it wasn't ok to imply you are some kind of bitch, however you are the one whining. Big time.

You claim that I couldn't back up what I wrote. Which is untrue.It is completely true. Look at what you claimed, then look at your failure to back it up with any actual facts.


You took a phrase out of the whole sentence to make the interpretation that totally contradicts my idea. It's untrue I admitted what you claim.Your idea is something you made up. You admitted you made it up and couldn't back it up with any facts. That's all. Your conjecture is fine and could indeed be right, but you admitted it is conjecture so don't pretend it is what actually happened.


Scola would have helped more than most of the bigs the Spurs signed for part of the MLE. In particular, Butler apportion was almost nothing. But I don't think he would have such big role with the Spurs as he has with the Rockets.That has nothing to do with your claim.

Try to understand your own argument first. Then get back to me.

Thanks in advance.

[LeCrab]

SCOLA THREAD

35 Pts, 12 Reb, 1 Ast, 1 Blk

[Yorae]

8-13

/thread

[Ditty]

number 1 option on an injured team thread

[ducks]

see scola let boozer go off
great d scola

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Have any of you actually looked at a game-log for Luis Scola this season?

It brings me to the verge of vomitting my dinner. He's on a whole nother level. He's Up Above It.

Basically it would be like Blair out there but 1000x better.

[ducks]

blair would have better numbers to he was with rockets
cause he would be the number one option

[DPG21920]

blair would have better numbers to he was with rockets
cause he would be the number one option

As good as Scola's?

[Ditty]

well we got about a 9 year difference to wait too see if blair can live it up

[silk]

Instead of dice, blair, bonner, We could have Scola, Splitter, Mahinmi. Definitely better for now and for a post duncan era...

[Indazone]

Dudes stats have fallen off a bit especially his rebounds. But his efficiency numbers are amazing!

2010-11 Statistics
PPG 21.0
RPG 8.90
APG 2.1
EFF + 22.00

Chris Bosh just for comparison
2010-11 Statistics
PPG 17.9
RPG 7.60
APG 1.9
EFF+ 19.39

I would expect Scola's stats to fall a bit more when Yao comes back and plays significantly more minutes after December.

[Dr. Gonzo]

lol scola fans