The attempted Coup vs. FDR's Administration

[Parker2112]

Stop me if you've heard this one before.



Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940) blew the whistle on the little- known plot of the title. He was on public television the fall of 1993 in "The Road to Rock Bottom"--Part 2 of The Great Depression series (Blackside production). Near the end it shows Butler in shirtsleeves, urging on 10,000 of the war veterans who had marched to Washington and camped in Anacostia DC. It was July 1932. The Bonus Army asked for early payment of moneys promised for 1945. "Some were the same men who had fought under Smedley Butler in the Spanish-American War, the Philippines campaign, the Boxer Rebellion, ...Caribbean interventions, the Chinese intervention of 1927-8, and World War I" (p 3).

Butler, a major general at 48, retired from the Marine Corps in 1931. He had faced gunfire 120 times. Columnist Will Rogers wrote of Butler, "He is what I would call a natural born warrior. He will fight anybody, any time....He carries every medal we ever gave out. He has two Congressional Medals of Honor....You give him another war and he will get him another one....I do admire him" (p 116).

Except the two years in China, Butler spent the last third of his service in police work and administration. During this time a disillusion with war spread through Europe and America. The mood fed on books like ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT and MERCHANTS OF DEATH.
August 21, 1931, Butler spoke to an American Legion convention in New Britain CT. Looking back, he reflected on his career. His remarks stunned the audience. Few papers dared report even part of the speech:

"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....

"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..." (p 118).
Why would a cabal of capitalists--conspirators of enormous wealth-- approach such a man? Because they knew veterans revered him; he never ordered anything done he would not do himself. Grunts, noncoms, and combat officers believed Butler was their friend. Forty times, envoys of Wall Street tried to persuade him to lead a coup d'etat.

The instigators wanted a putsch commander who could mobilize 500,000 soldiers overnight. These would make up a paramilitary force, to take form as the American Liberty League. Its pattern was a French veterans' group, the Croix de Feu. (The backers studied then rejected two other models of veterans' organization that fascists had used in taking power: Mussolini's blackshirts and Hitler's brownshirts.)

The reason for the plot was the election of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), a member of the same ruling circles as the cabal itself. March 5, 1933--the day after his inauguration--FDR embargoed the export of gold and declared a national bank holiday. He told the "Hundred Days Congress" to enact a New Deal into law. In striving against the Depression, FDR awakened hope in the American people, but he appalled bankers and industrialists. Who would pay for this New Deal? The rich feared changes to the US system of finance, a rise in taxes, possibly even (Heaven forbid!) socialism.

Rumours of the plot reached Washington, where the Committee on Un- American Activities (CUAA)--was already exposing fascist intrigues. Its cochairmen were John McCormack (D MA) and Samuel Dickstein (D NY). CUAA got in touch with Smedley Butler: did the general have anything to tell them? After prying out all the plans he could, Butler asked a friend, an experienced newsman, to confirm the whole incredible scheme. The reporter visited twice with an agent of the conspirators (a wounded Marine vet) and set down his findings.

Secret executive hearings of CUAA opened November 20, 1934. Sworn testimony showed that the plotters represented notable families --Rockefeller, Mellon, Pew, Pitcairn, Hutton; and great enterprises-- Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Anaconda, Bethlehem, Goodyear, GMC, Swift, Sun.... Some people named as plotters laughed, all denied everything.

"The reader who wishes to examine the official testimony is referred to the government report, `Investigation of Nazi Propaganda Activities and Investigation of Certain Other Propaganda Activities: Public Hearings Before the Special Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Seventy-third Congress, Second Session, at Washington, DC, December 29, 1934. Hearings No. 73-D.C.-6, Part 1.' Extracts of the censored testimony are revealed in the books A MAN IN HIS TIME, by John L. Spivak [NY: Horizon Press, 1967], and ONE THOUSAND AMERICANS, by George Seldes [NY: Boni & Gaer, 1947]" (p 140).


George Bush's Granddad was in on it.



In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."
The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html) dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.
Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.

Wonder why this isn't taught in schools? Why wasnt this revealed prior to GHWB's run at public office? how can this stuff be buried so readily?

[Parker2112]

Do you really think the Bush family gives a fuck which party they used to entertain voters? They have been trying to seize control since the 30's...and they did it. Why didnt such a criminal plot result in the ruination of this family? Does money really buy that sort of influence over the public opinion?

[Parker2112]

And what role does the media play in this? When you own/control the outlets of information to the public, is it really so easy to just sweep such a thing away?

[ChumpDumper]

I've heard this one before.

[RandomGuy]

I've heard this one before.

[TeyshaBlue]

I've heard this one before.


I've heard this one before.

That usually means there's a glitch in the matrix.

[RandomGuy]

That usually means there's a glitch in the matrix.


Stop me if you've heard this one before.


If conspiracy theorists had a "golden oldies" station, it would be playing the article in the OP.

[DarkReign]

Did you just watch Zeitgeist for the first time or something?

[RandomGuy]

Did you just watch Zeitgeist for the first time or something?

That is what happens when people start going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy lore.

I've seen it happen before.

Each new "discovery" of some recycled conspiracy theory of yore becomes a thread, because they just have to tell people about it, much in the same way religious converts just have to share their new beliefs with others.

Once you sink into the mire of paranoia, the human tendency towards confirmation bias and other cognitive biases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases) takes over. Some eventually realize they are being fed bullshit, and get really pissed off, others sink into the swamp, never to be fully rational again.

One or two are active schizophrenics in the clinical sense of the word, a bit like the guy I knew on another board who was CONVINCED the illuminati were communicating with each other through numbers news headlines. One of the headlines he cited was that of the number of points Tim Duncan scored in a game (22 if memory serves, the guy was hung up on that. 22 being a multiple of 11, and that having everythign to do with 9-11 of course)

[DMX7]

Stop

[Parker2112]

Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

So, lets tally up the score here:
1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.


the plotters represented notable families --Rockefeller, Mellon, Pew, Pitcairn, Hutton; and great enterprises-- Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Anaconda, Bethlehem, Goodyear, GMC, Swift, Sun

2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.

These things are not in dispute. We discuss them here every day. Not as conspiracies, but as reality. Wall St influence over govt, the sins of the Bush family, the endless wars that make no sense, etc.

And yet the interesting history behind those in control of our corrupt govt remains swept aside, to be buried in the sands of time. And because this link in the chain of history does not fit the narrative that is sold to us by MSM, you all cannot accept its value, even when slapped across the face with the significance.

Simply because that acknowledgement would mean that the story you have pulled together thus far was a failed effort. And ego stands in the way of accepting any truth but your own.

[Parker2112]

Did you just watch Zeitgeist for the first time or something?

never seen it. Is it any good?

[Parker2112]

That is what happens when people start going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy lore.

I've seen it happen before.

Each new "discovery" of some recycled conspiracy theory of yore becomes a thread, because they just have to tell people about it, much in the same way religious converts just have to share their new beliefs with others.

Once you sink into the mire of paranoia, the human tendency towards confirmation bias and other cognitive biases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases) takes over. Some eventually realize they are being fed bullshit, and get really pissed off, others sink into the swamp, never to be fully rational again.

One or two are active schizophrenics in the clinical sense of the word, a bit like the guy I knew on another board who was CONVINCED the illuminati were communicating with each other through numbers news headlines. One of the headlines he cited was that of the number of points Tim Duncan scored in a game (22 if memory serves, the guy was hung up on that. 22 being a multiple of 11, and that having everythign to do with 9-11 of course)

Whats wrong, RG...cant touch the substance of the OP? So you choose to mindlessly dismiss it?

I mean, if its so ridiculous, surely you could easily dismantle the assertion and leave me with a bloody nose for my troubles...right?

[ChumpDumper]

And ego stands in the way of accepting any truth but your own.You should repeat this to yourself slowly and clearly several times.

[DarkReign]

never seen it. Is it any good?

Google it. Its basically a mock-umentary that you parrot without knowing it, apparently.

[Parker2112]

You should repeat this to yourself slowly and clearly several times.

Failed personal attack, Chump. I'm not afraid to say that this event, as reflected in the Congressional Record, is new to me and worth considering. For the lot of you, ego will not allow you to touch it. What else is there to discuss?

[Parker2112]

Google it. Its basically a mock-umentary that you parrot without knowing it, apparently.

I had known for a while about the ties between the Bush family and the Wall St finance of the Nazi party. I looked into it a bit further. This one was new to me.

[Parker2112]

Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

So, lets tally up the score here:
1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.



When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.

[ChumpDumper]

Failed personal attack, Chump.As was yours, hypocrite.
I'm not afraid to say that this event, as reflected in the Congressional Record, is new to me and worth considering. For the lot of you, ego will not allow you to touch it. What else is there to discuss?You told us to stop you if we had heard this one before.

We told you we had heard this before.

You failed to stop.

[ChumpDumper]

When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.What does the Bush family control now?

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[Parker2112]

What does the Bush family control now?

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you got me.

[Parker2112]

how was i so dumb to think the Bush family is devoid of power and influence these days.

[ChumpDumper]

how was i so dumb to think the Bush family is devoid of power and influence these days.Just tell us what they control today.

[Parker2112]

Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

So, lets tally up the score here:
1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.

When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.

[Parker2112]

Just tell us what they control today.

Im sure they have oil holdings and controlling shares here and there. But as you and I know, ownership of financial assets by political figures of this stature never can be completely traced.

So I guess we both know the assertion fails miserably.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, your assertion failed miserably.

Consider your thread debunked until you can actually back up your claims.

[Parker2112]

Claims? My conclusions, you mean. I consider we havent even touched on the OP. Consider yourself a very poor debunker. Take your ego with you on the way out.

[Winehole23]

Heard that one before. That you seem to think it led directly to the Bushes running everything is hilarious.

[Parker2112]

Heard that one before. That you seem to think it led directly to the Bushes running everything is hilarious.

Bushes are simply working for the interests with $$$$, as they were then. The common thread is not their control, but their involvement, even after the Bush family name should have been shit.

But why is this not in the history books?

[ChumpDumper]

Claims? My conclusions, you mean.Your claim is the Bushes now control everything.

I asked what they now control.

You failed to come up with even one thing.


I consider we havent even touched on the OP.What is there to touch? Some claims were made. Doesn't sound like anything else was done about it. If there was, let me know about it.


Consider yourself a very poor debunker.I did fine. Consider yourself a very poor concluder.


Take your ego with you on the way out.Personal attack fail, hypocrite.

[Parker2112]

I refuse to discuss the substantive points in the OP. Yet I reserve the right to claim that I personally debunked it. My distortion of logic through argument knows no bounds.

OK then, Chump.

[Winehole23]

But why is this not in the history books?Just because you read it online somewhere a few days ago doesn't mean the history books won't touch it; it just means that you haven't read the relevant books yet.

Common mistake.

[Parker2112]

suggestions?

And I was talking about school books.

[ChumpDumper]

I make up shit and try to pass it off as fact. I sure as hell can't back up what I say, so I start launching personal attacks on anyone who dares to call me out to actually back up what I say.OK then, Parker2112.

[Parker2112]

OK then, Parker2112.

You are still here?

[Parker2112]

Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

So, lets tally up the score here:
1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.

[Parker2112]

OK then, Parker2112.

Chump, youre way too smart to think this weak "debunking" amounts to more than the lint between my toes. And the fact that you expect to cross the line on arrogance and hot air says alot. Youre losing a step?

[Winehole23]

suggestions?Yes.


--Make a short list of recent threads you've started.

--Go to a library to find material that backs up your ridiculous conclusions.

--Check back with us all in a year or two.


Thanks!

[Parker2112]

Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

So, lets tally up the score here:
1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.

[Winehole23]

"Decades later..." is a piss-poor way of connecting the dots. If they are dots.

[Winehole23]

(Check your braincase, Parker: the gaping hole in your syllogism may have just eaten your brain for a snack.)

[Winehole23]

suggestions?

And I was talking about school books.The Businessmen's Plot is of more literary than historical significance IMO. Mostly it's a dray-horse for wagon-loads of dreck like this thread.

[RandomGuy]

Whats wrong, RG...cant touch the substance of the OP? So you choose to mindlessly dismiss it?

I mean, if its so ridiculous, surely you could easily dismantle the assertion and leave me with a bloody nose for my troubles...right?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=57&pictureid=587

[RandomGuy]

When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=57&pictureid=315

[ChumpDumper]

Chump, youre way too smart to think this weak "debunking" amounts to more than the lint between my toes. And the fact that you expect to cross the line on arrogance and hot air says alot. Youre losing a step?What does the Bush family control now?

[Parker2112]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=57&pictureid=587

RG, you have already preven to be the biggest dick on this entire forum. Who in the fuck tout's their fucking signature as a win on a fucking RIP thread?

Your chickenshit dickery knows no bounds. You should be very used to having your posts responded to with GTFO and GFY by now.

[Parker2112]

What does the Bush family control now?

Read the OP. then when you can tell me how this bullshit relates to that in any way whatsoever, I will answer it.

[ChumpDumper]

Read the OP. then when you can tell me how this bullshit relates to that in any way whatsoever, I will answer it.
Decades later we see the Bush family control everythingIf you are just going to flat out run away from your claims when asked to back them up, you shouldn't make them in the first place.

Brave Sir Robin.

[Parker2112]

The Businessmen's Plot is of more literary than historical significance IMO. Mostly it's a dray-horse for wagon-loads of dreck like this thread.

thats a loser. why the hell even teach history? Whats the significance of exposing future generations to stories from the past?

If this attempt to unseat an elected president is not worth teaching then tell me what is.

[Parker2112]

If you are just going to flat out run away from your claims when asked to back them up, you shouldn't make them in the first place.

Brave Sir Robin.

You rebut the OP from the only angle available, even if it doesnt apply?

What a weak strawman attempt.

[ChumpDumper]

You rebut the OP from the only angle available, even if it doesnt apply?

What a weak strawman attempt.It's your claim.

What a weak attempt to run away from your own argument.

[Parker2112]

"Decades later..." is a piss-poor way of connecting the dots. If they are dots.

So you are really alleging that GHWB and Prescott have no common thread between them? That without some connecting of the dots by me, almost a century after the fact, the connection is to attenuated to be seen at first blush? Really?

[Parker2112]

It's your claim.

What a weak attempt to run away from your own argument.

You stretch my posts even to arrive at that weak point. You are the one claiming debunk without even touching my first three posts.

You would prefer to flounder about on this single point, because its the only hand-hold you have before you slip over the edge of the cliff...the one where you are shown to have no reply to the OP's assertion.

What a waste of time.:lol

[ChumpDumper]

It is definitely a waste of time asking you to back up your claims. :lol

[Parker2112]

youre reticence to touch the OP says it all. Anything else?

[ChumpDumper]

youre reticence to touch the OP says it all. Anything else?Your reticence to back up your own claim says it all.

Anything else?

[Parker2112]

Circlejerk, defined:
To kneel in a circle with others and pleasure oneself. Also refers to a pompous, self-congratulatory discussion where little to no progress is made.
as in...
1. "I just walked in on a circlejerk yesterday; it was terrible!"
2. "Did you catch that board meeting? Man, what a circlejerk!"

[ChumpDumper]

You can break the impasse easily by telling us what the Bush family now controls.

[Parker2112]

You can break the impasse easily by telling us what the Bush family now controls.

And give you the satisfaction of the real circle jerk? I'm not strokin' your strawman chump.

[ChumpDumper]

And give you the satisfaction of the real circle jerk? I'm not strokin' your strawman chump.You can't even make a decent metaphor.

You look like a fool.

Again.

It's not my fault you don't know what you are talking about and are too afraid to back up the claims you make.

It's fun watching you throw yourself under the bus.

[Parker2112]

You can't even make a decent metaphor.

You look like a fool.

Again.

It's not my fault you don't know what you are talking about and are too afraid to back up the claims you make.

It's fun watching you throw yourself under the bus.

I would challenge you to even back THAT statement up, if I gave a fuck. :sleep

You are grasping at air now.

[ChumpDumper]

I would challenge you to even back THAT statement up, if I gave a fuck. :sleep

You are grasping at air now.You won't back up your own claim.

That is my statement.

[ChumpDumper]

Addressing the OP, it's not in schoolbooks because so much information is simply missing due to the wishes of FDR himself. That's why the names Smedley named aren't found and that's why no one named had to testify and that's why no one had to serve time or die for whatever crimes may have been committed.

Given as much time as I can remember the Great Depression's receiving in schoolbooks, this plot probably would have been thrown in with whatever other radical solutions were being proposed during that time.

[Parker2112]

Addressing the OP, it's not in schoolbooks because so much information is simply missing due to the wishes of FDR himself. That's why the names Smedley named aren't found and that's why no one named had to testify and that's why no one had to serve time or die for whatever crimes may have been committed.

Given as much time as I can remember the Great Depression's receiving in schoolbooks, this plot probably would have been thrown in with whatever other radical solutions were being proposed during that time.

Thats a solid take.

It also reminds me alot of Obama's decision not to investigate the Bush administration for any illegal torture or perjury involving the Iraq war.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats a solid take.

It also reminds me alot of Obama's decision not to investigate the Bush administration for any illegal torture or perjury involving the Iraq war.In exchange for not pursuing investigations of the alleged conspirators, FDR got a lot of resistance to his New Deal programs dropped.

It was definitely an example of political expediency, but at the same time it was probably for the best. It's really kind of unimaginable what might have happened if a putsch of elite American businessmen had resulted complete with show trials and executions.

BTW, the Prescott Bush connection to this plot is shaky if at all existent. His dealings with folks like Thyssen could be seen as amoral rather than a reflection of his political beliefs. Whatever was seized from the companies in which he was involved was returned after the war.

[diego]

i'll bite...

i think a lot of people know about this, i've heard it many times before, including in a couple US universities. but like so many other subjects that lack hard proof and fall into the "conspiracy" segment, no one bothers to dig any deeper or mention it because it immediately discredits your credibility. unless you can prove it, its hearsay, an isolated incident, not a reliable source, whatever. of course there is bat shit crazy stuff out there but certain things, like the quote you posted... you just know, its obvious, things have worked that way for a long time. its the primal root of existence, the fight for power; the US didnt become the world power just selling cars. unfortunately, this knowledge that powerful banks are behind a powerful military in order to secure more power for themselves is just the evolution of a timeless truth.


as for what bush or any other industry/politician/banker/conspirator got "control" over, well they got control over money, connections up the wazoo, and money. has there ever been a deeper goal?

[Winehole23]

If this attempt to unseat an elected president is not worth teaching then tell me what is.The way you teach it, no. It's not worth teaching.

[Winehole23]

i think a lot of people know about this, i've heard it many times before, including in a couple US universities. Because it came as a surprise to him, Parker treats it as if it were still an official secret. It is not.

but like so many other subjects that lack hard proof and fall into the "conspiracy" segment, no one bothers to dig any deeper or mention it because it immediately discredits your credibility. unless you can prove it, its hearsay, an isolated incident, not a reliable source, whatever. of course there is bat shit crazy stuff out there but certain things, like the quote you posted... you just know, its obvious, things have worked that way for a long time. its the primal root of existence, the fight for power; the US didnt become the world power just selling cars. unfortunately, this knowledge that powerful banks are behind a powerful military in order to secure more power for themselves is just the evolution of a timeless truth.That at least makes sense. What Parker was saying made almost none.

as for what bush or any other industry/politician/banker/conspirator got "control" over, well they got control over money, connections up the wazoo, and money. has there ever been a deeper goal?Probably not.

Look, the quasi-dynastic succession of Bushes and Clintons bugs me too. But pointing at the Businessmen's Plot gets us precisely nowhere. Parker doesn't even try to connect the dots. He just lists them, throws out the qui bono, and infers delayed causality ("Decades later..."). Lame.

[RandomGuy]

youre reticence to touch the OP says it all. Anything else?

:rolleyes

(sighs deeply)

Fine, be careful what you ask for.


Forty times, envoys of Wall Street tried to persuade [Smedley Darlington Butler] to lead a coup d'etat

Please provide proof to support his claim.

Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.

I think we will find that you have a lot fewer dots to connect than you seem to think you have.

[boutons_deux]

In 1934 Butler testified to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional committee on these claims

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

and there's lots of other sources, books that have the same info.

Some interesting comments here

http://www.amazon.com/Plot-Seize-White-House-Conspiracy/product-reviews/1602390363/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

[boutons_deux]

VRWC has long history and long legs.

Another Great American Myth is that VRWC did not/cannot/does not exist in America.

[Parker2112]

In exchange for not pursuing investigations of the alleged conspirators, FDR got a lot of resistance to his New Deal programs dropped.

It was definitely an example of political expediency, but at the same time it was probably for the best. It's really kind of unimaginable what might have happened if a putsch of elite American businessmen had resulted complete with show trials and executions.

BTW, the Prescott Bush connection to this plot is shaky if at all existent. His dealings with folks like Thyssen could be seen as amoral rather than a reflection of his political beliefs. Whatever was seized from the companies in which he was involved was returned after the war.

This is the best possible argument that could be made on the other side of things, IMHO. Chump is my hero. :toast The dude really has his shit together.

For the rest of the gallery who attempted to shout down the subject with little to no substance, you came up short. :nope

[Parker2112]

Because it came as a surprise to him, Parker treats it as if it were still an official secret. It is not.
That at least makes sense. What Parker was saying made almost none.
Probably not.

Look, the quasi-dynastic succession of Bushes and Clintons bugs me too. But pointing at the Businessmen's Plot gets us precisely nowhere. Parker doesn't even try to connect the dots. He just lists them, throws out the qui bono, and infers delayed causality ("Decades later..."). Lame.

And you throw out nothing of value, and continue the personal attacks. Just as lame.

Take a look in the mirror homie.

[Winehole23]

bs and personal attacks are about all you do, so I guess you'd be the expert on that.

[Sec24Row7]

While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. (When it was apparent Hitler was batshit crazy) The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.