Last game Finals stats of some all-time great players

[midnightpulp]

Bored. So I was wondering which player (out of the few I looked up--wanted to do Bird and Magic, but BBallref only goes to back 1987) performed best in the last Finals game of a particular series. All final games are considered, not just those that resulted in a victory for said player. I was curious to see how each player did in a "win and go home," or "win or go home" situation. Let's get to it (alphabetical order).

(blocks are left out for perimeter players, steals left out for big men)

Kobe Bryant

7 games: .344FG%, 25.1ppg, 4.8rpg, 4.2apg, 1.28spg

Tim Duncan

4 games: .421FG%, 22.2ppg, 13.75rpg, 4.5apg, 3.25bpg

Michael Jordan

6 games: .447FG%, 33.6ppg, 6.1rpg, 5.5apg, 2.8spg

Shaq

6 games: 538FG%, 26.3ppg, 12.8rpg, 2apg, 2.6bpg


Gotta go. Get back with Zeke and Hakeem later on today. In the meantime, discuss.

[lefty]

There is already a Kobe Bryant thread

[Giuseppe]

Kobe Bryant

7 games: .351FG%, 25.1ppg, 4.8rpg, 4.2apg, 1.28spg

Any less on the (apg) and that L.A. jeweler don't need to carve up any leather balls, eh?

tee, hee.

[midnightpulp]

Any less on the (apg) and that L.A. jeweler don't need to carve up any leather balls, eh?

tee, hee.

How about Daddy's stats? Might be the best of the 4.

[midnightpulp]

There is already a Kobe Bryant thread

Yeah, I know. I actually made the post that started that thread.

But this involves more players than Kobe. So what's your point?

Oh, I get it, Lefty trying to be funny.

[lefty]

Yeah, I know. I actually made the post that started that thread.

But this involves more players than Kobe. So what's your point?

Oh, I get it, Lefty trying to be funny.
Not trying to be funny

I did notice you have included other players, but everybody here knows that most of your posts consist of bashing Kobe and the Lakers, so don't pretend this thread is any different

[JamStone]

I got bored too. So I looked at performances of game 3 of the NBA Finals. You see, the last game of the Finals can be deceiving. Take for example if it's a game 4 where one team clearly is better than the other and is up 3-0 in the Finals. Do you take much from the inevitable game 4 stats of players on either team? Now game 3 is almost always pivotal in the Finals. The team is either up 2 games and can drive the final nail in the coffin (generally on the road). Or the team is down 2 games and it's a must-win situation for the team that is down. Or it's 1-1 with a change of venue and game 3 will go a long way in deciding the course of the series. Rather the last game of the series where sometimes the game doesn't have the juice or pressure you might think because of how the rest of the series went, game 3 always has that juice.

That said, let's look at game 3 stats of players in the NBA Finals.

Kobe Bryant 6 games (was injured for game 3 of the 2000 NBA Finals)

29.2 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.3 SPG, 45.7% FG

Tim Duncan 4 games

17.3 PPG, 11.8 RPG, 4.0 APG, 1.8 BPG, 41.0% FG

Michael Jordan 6 games

30.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 44.7% FG

Discuss more.

[Giuseppe]

Jammie, the Juiceman!

[Stephen]

I found stats for game 8 of the finals, as it is by far the most meaningful game of the series, as it comes after the pivotal game 7 in which someone is crowned the winner of the series, so obviously it has utmost importance. Here are the stats.

Kobe Bryant 0 games

0.0 PPG, 0.0 RPG, 0.0 APG, 0.0 SPG, 0.0% FG

Tim Duncan 0 games

0.0 PPG, 0.0 RPG, 0.0 APG, 0.0 SPG, 0.0% FG

Michael Jordan 0 games

0.0 PPG, 0.0 RPG, 0.0 APG, 0.0 SPG, 0.0% FG

Discuss.

[midnightpulp]

I got bored too. So I looked at performances of game 3 of the NBA Finals. You see, the last game of the Finals can be deceiving. Take for example if it's a game 4 where one team clearly is better than the other and is up 3-0 in the Finals. Do you take much from the inevitable game 4 stats of players on either team? Now game 3 is almost always pivotal in the Finals. The team is either up 2 games and can drive the final nail in the coffin (generally on the road). Or the team is down 2 games and it's a must-win situation for the team that is down. Or it's 1-1 with a change of venue and game 3 will go a long way in deciding the course of the series. Rather the last game of the series where sometimes the game doesn't have the juice or pressure you might think because of how the rest of the series went, game 3 always has that juice.

That said, let's look at game 3 stats of players in the NBA Finals.

Kobe Bryant 6 games (was injured for game 3 of the 2000 NBA Finals)

29.2 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.3 SPG, 45.7% FG

Tim Duncan 4 games

17.3 PPG, 11.8 RPG, 4.0 APG, 1.8 BPG, 41.0% FG

Michael Jordan 6 games

30.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 44.7% FG

Discuss more.

Game 3 isn't always pivotal.

How about when the team with home court adv is up 2-0 and "takes game 3 off," which happens more often than not, usually resulting in a blowout for the home team? I've seen more uneventful game 3's in the Finals than I can count.

Or why not single out Game 2? Either the road team steals home court, or the home team defends. I'd say Game 2 is more pivotal than Game 3.

If you want to talk pivotal games, choose game 5 (provided the series goes 5+ games).

And for series less than 5 games, I think game 2 is usually where the series is decided, thus it's the "pivotal game."

But we all know why you picked Game 3, because Kobe comes out looking the best.

And I know you'll accuse me of the same, having an ulterior motive, but Duncan's stats are comparatively similar to Kobe's in this instance. His .417FG is nothing to celebrate.

If I really wanted to troll Kobe fanboys, I wouldn't have wasted the 45min it took to add up all those stats.

[history2b]

Not trying to be funny

I did notice you have included other players, but everybody here knows that most of your posts consist of bashing Kobe and the Lakers, so don't pretend this thread is any different


lol @ transparency.

Let's reduce the many variables down to just the last game of a playoff series! That's how you logically and objectively determine everything!

[midnightpulp]

lol @ transparency.

Let's reduce the many variables down to just the last game of a playoff series! That's how you logically and objectively determine everything!

lol @ you holding hands with lefty.

And what exactly am I trying to "reduce?"

I didn't make an argument in this thread. Just presented stats as they are.

Kobe fanboys, so insecure.

[JamStone]

I actually chose game 3 for the reasons I stated. And I didn't look at any other games to see if Kobe was better or worse in other games. There's not always a game 5 in the Finals, and when a team is up 3-1, game 5s can be very much like game 4 sweeps. Game 2 is not more pivotal. Teams are expected to win at home in the playoffs, even the Finals. No matter how the first two games went, game 3 is the where the series starts.

Game 3 is always pivotal because the series isn't decided either way before game 3. 2-0 has been overcome before. 3-0 has never been overcome in the NBA Finals (as far as I know). So either the team up 2-0 or the team down 0-2 has everything to play for in game 3. When the series is tied 1-1, it's anyone's series to take and that means the team's split the first two at someone's homecourt. That makes it imperative for the road team to get homecourt advantage back.

I would be more than amenable to conceding game 3 isn't "always" pivotal as you mentioned in your example where the team who won the first two games at home could take game 3 off. But I think game 3s are much more pivotal than just generalizing "last game of the finals," where there are plenty of instances where the series had long been decided and the last game was more less pomp and circumstance.

It's amusing you would accuse me of choosing game 3 to hype Kobe when we all know your motive in choosing the last game of the Finals. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Stephen]

How about stats for all elimination games? I'd say those are pretty pivotal.

[history2b]

lol @ you holding hands with lefty.

And what exactly am I trying to "reduce?"

I didn't make an argument in this thread. Just presented stats as they are.

Kobe fanboys, so insecure.


Not holding hands with anyone but the truth, where I always stand. Someone speaks the truth, I side with truth over transparent idiocy every day of the week.

You are not trying to reduce. You did reduce the game down to exactly what you posted "series ending games." If no logical deduction was to be made with the specifically selected evidence then you are just a chimp boy posting irrelevant numbers without interpretation.

Lol, again, you are transparent. And extremely ignorant of the game itself.

[history2b]

I actually chose game 3 for the reasons I stated. And I didn't look at any other games to see if Kobe was better or worse in other games. There's not always a game 5 in the Finals, and when a team is up 3-1, game 5s can be very much like game 4 sweeps. Game 2 is not more pivotal. Teams are expected to win at home in the playoffs, even the Finals. No matter how the first two games went, game 3 is the where the series starts.

Game 3 is always pivotal because the series isn't decided either way before game 3. 2-0 has been overcome before. 3-0 has never been overcome in the NBA Finals (as far as I know). So either the team up 2-0 or the team down 0-2 has everything to play for in game 3. When the series is tied 1-1, it's anyone's series to take and that means the team's split the first two at someone's homecourt. That makes it imperative for the road team to get homecourt advantage back.

I would be more than amenable to conceding game 3 isn't "always" pivotal as you mentioned in your example where the team who won the first two games at home could take game 3 off. But I think game 3s are much more pivotal than just generalizing "last game of the finals," where there are plenty of instances where the series had long been decided and the last game was more less pomp and circumstance.

It's amusing you would accuse me of choosing game 3 to hype Kobe when we all know your motive in choosing the last game of the Finals. Hypocrisy at its finest.


Stop using logic. That's not fair.

This is a smart troll thread from a smart insightful poster who knows so much about the game we all should be grateful he is sharing his statistical knowledge with us.

[midnightpulp]

I actually chose game 3 for the reasons I stated. And I didn't look at any other games to see if Kobe was better or worse in other games. There's not always a game 5 in the Finals, and when a team is up 3-1, game 5s can be very much like game 4 sweeps. Game 2 is not more pivotal. Teams are expected to win at home in the playoffs, even the Finals. No matter how the first two games went, game 3 is the where the series starts.

Game 3 is always pivotal because the series isn't decided either way before game 3. 2-0 has been overcome before. 3-0 has never been overcome in the NBA Finals (as far as I know). So either the team up 2-0 or the team down 0-2 has everything to play for in game 3. When the series is tied 1-1, it's anyone's series to take and that means the team's split the first two at someone's homecourt. That makes it imperative for the road team to get homecourt advantage back.

I would be more than amenable to conceding game 3 isn't "always" pivotal as you mentioned in your example where the team who won the first two games at home could take game 3 off. But I think game 3s are much more pivotal than just generalizing "last game of the finals," where there are plenty of instances where the series had long been decided and the last game was more less pomp and circumstance.

It's amusing you would accuse me of choosing game 3 to hype Kobe when we all know your motive in choosing the last game of the Finals. Hypocrisy at its finest.

What's my "motive" exactly?

Kobe's last game stats aren't much different than his overall Finals stats. If I wanted to denigrate Kobe by showing his underwhelming Finals performances compared to other all-time great players, I could've simply posted his complete statistics and saved myself a lot of time by not breaking down individual games.

But you saw the .351 FG percentage and started hitting the keys, when in fact Kobe is a 40% career shooter in the Finals, so he doesn't drop off that much in a final game. And when you consider the pressure of the situation and how fatigued a player will be by that time, .35% isn't that bad.

Jordan, Duncan, and Shaq all saw their FG% drop a few points by the final game.

[lefty]

Not holding hands with anyone but the truth, where I always stand. Someone speaks the truth, I side with truth over transparent idiocy every day of the week.

You are not trying to reduce. You did reduce the game down to exactly what you posted "series ending games." If no logical deduction was to be made with the specifically selected evidence then you are just a chimp boy posting irrelevant numbers without interpretation.

Lol, again, you are transparent. And extremely ignorant of the game itself.
I have to agree with Midnightpulp pn that one

Most of the time you are harassing me for no reason, but when I'm criticizing someone for bashing your beloved Lakers, all of sudden you are on my side

GTFO

[midnightpulp]

Not holding hands with anyone but the truth, where I always stand. Someone speaks the truth, I side with truth over transparent idiocy every day of the week.

You are not trying to reduce. You did reduce the game down to exactly what you posted "series ending games." If no logical deduction was to be made with the specifically selected evidence then you are just a chimp boy posting irrelevant numbers without interpretation.

Lol, again, you are transparent. And extremely ignorant of the game itself.

I bet if Kobe had the best stats of the bunch, you wouldn't even have posted in this thread.

But since that 35% jumped out at you and it was me posting, your Kobe-defense system went into overdrive.

Truthfully, I don't think Kobe's stats are all that bad, all things considered.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I got bored too. So I looked at performances of game 3 of the NBA Finals. You see, the last game of the Finals can be deceiving. Take for example if it's a game 4 where one team clearly is better than the other and is up 3-0 in the Finals. Do you take much from the inevitable game 4 stats of players on either team? Now game 3 is almost always pivotal in the Finals. The team is either up 2 games and can drive the final nail in the coffin (generally on the road). Or the team is down 2 games and it's a must-win situation for the team that is down. Or it's 1-1 with a change of venue and game 3 will go a long way in deciding the course of the series. Rather the last game of the series where sometimes the game doesn't have the juice or pressure you might think because of how the rest of the series went, game 3 always has that juice.

That said, let's look at game 3 stats of players in the NBA Finals.

Kobe Bryant 6 games (was injured for game 3 of the 2000 NBA Finals)

29.2 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.3 SPG, 45.7% FG

Tim Duncan 4 games

17.3 PPG, 11.8 RPG, 4.0 APG, 1.8 BPG, 41.0% FG

Michael Jordan 6 games

30.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 44.7% FG

Discuss more.

:lol Well played, sir. Very well played.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I found stats for game 8 of the finals, as it is by far the most meaningful game of the series, as it comes after the pivotal game 7 in which someone is crowned the winner of the series, so obviously it has utmost importance. Here are the stats.

Kobe Bryant 0 games

0.0 PPG, 0.0 RPG, 0.0 APG, 0.0 SPG, 0.0% FG

Tim Duncan 0 games

0.0 PPG, 0.0 RPG, 0.0 APG, 0.0 SPG, 0.0% FG

Michael Jordan 0 games

0.0 PPG, 0.0 RPG, 0.0 APG, 0.0 SPG, 0.0% FG

Discuss.

:lol

[SomeCallMeTim]

What's my "motive" exactly?

Kobe's last game stats aren't much different than his overall Finals stats. If I wanted to denigrate Kobe by showing his underwhelming Finals performances compared to other all-time great players, I could've simply posted his complete statistics and saved myself a lot of time by not breaking down individual games.

But you saw the .351 FG percentage and started hitting the keys, when in fact Kobe is a 40% career shooter in the Finals, so he doesn't drop off that much in a final game. And when you consider the pressure of the situation and how fatigued a player will be by that time, .35% isn't that bad.

Jordan, Duncan, and Shaq all saw their FG% drop a few points by the final game.

Are you kidding? 35% FGs is terrible. A five-percent drop is pretty big. As you note, all those elite players saw their FG% drop -- not surprising given fatigue and facing elite defenses playing as hard as they can.

But it's impossible to spin 35% FGs as anything but bad.

Despite that -- Jamstone is absolutely correct. Game 3s are a really big deal and as it so happens Kobe's been pretty great in those games.

[history2b]

I bet if Kobe had the best stats of the bunch, you wouldn't even have posted in this thread.

But since that 35% jumped out at you and it was me posting, your Kobe-defense system went into overdrive.

Truthfully, I don't think Kobe's stats are all that bad, all things considered.

Nope.

Has nothing to do with Kobe's stats, there's just nothing logical to deduct from the threads presentation of statistics.

[midnightpulp]

Nope.

Has nothing to do with Kobe's stats, there's just nothing logical to deduct from the threads presentation of statistics.

Then don't bother posting.

All you Kobe fanboys (yourself, Jam) are turning a simple presentation of stats into something it isn't.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Game 3 is always pivotal because the series isn't decided either way before game 3. 2-0 has been overcome before. 3-0 has never been overcome in the NBA Finals (as far as I know).

A 3-0 series lead has never been lost in any NBA playoff series, not just the Finals.

[history2b]

I have to agree with Midnightpulp pn that one

Most of the time you are harassing me for no reason, but when I'm criticizing someone for bashing your beloved Lakers, all of sudden you are on my side

GTFO


Harassing you? lol.

I believe it's your dumbass following me around not the other way around. Can't take the heat then it would be best to just stay out of the kitchen altogether.

[lefty]

Harassing you? lol.

I believe it's your dumbass following me around not the other way around. Can't take the heat then it would be best to just stay out of the kitchen altogether.
Whatever helps you sleep better

But still, GTFO

[history2b]

Then don't bother posting.

All you Kobe fanboys (yourself, Jam) are turning a simple presentation of stats into something it isn't.

No I'll post because I'm pointing out the transparency of the op.

Exposing you how your chimp brain works is good enough for me.

[history2b]

Whatever helps you sleep better

But still, GTFO

No thanks. I'll continue to post but thanks.

[lefty]

No thanks. I'll continue to post but thanks.
Then GTFI

[midnightpulp]

Are you kidding? 35% FGs is terrible. A five-percent drop is pretty big. As you note, all those elite players saw their FG% drop -- not surprising given fatigue and facing elite defenses playing as hard as they can.

But it's impossible to spin 35% FGs as anything but bad.

Despite that -- Jamstone is absolutely correct. Game 3s are a really big deal and as it so happens Kobe's been pretty great in those games.

Not that bad when you factor in the gravity of the situation. A 5% drop isn't too damaging, comparatively speaking.

And I think Jam overrates Game 3. Many times the team with home court will be up 2-0 and Game 3 will ostensibly be a "throw away" game.

Now if Jam tweaked his argument and qualified it as: "Game 3 when the teams are tied 1-1," then that is indeed a very pivotal game.

[midnightpulp]

No I'll post because I'm pointing out the transparency of the op.

Exposing you how your chimp brain works is good enough for me.

The only thing you exposed is your figurative penis with the hope that Kobe may one day give it a suck.

You would be nowhere to be found if this comparison didn't involve Kobe, or if Kobe came out the best.

But keep trying to hide your motives under a veil of self-righteousness.

[j.dizzle]

LOL pulp getting all angry because Jam decided to do some research also.

[midnightpulp]

LOL pulp getting all angry because Jam decided to do some research also.

Where did I get angry, exactly?

[history2b]

The only thing you exposed is your figurative penis with the hope that Kobe may one day give it a suck.

You would be nowhere to found if this comparison didn't involve Kobe, or if Kobe came out the best.

But keep trying to hide your motives under a veil of self-righteousness.

Never once made a post or remark about Kobe in this entire thread in reference to your stats, lol.

All I did was point out that you are a transparent troll who uses faulty logic and reduces the game down in order to make troll points.

Your insistence on what you believe is my inspiration reveals your true aspiration of the thread. Glass is less transparent.

[midnightpulp]

Never once made a post or remark about Kobe in this entire thread in reference to your stats, lol.

All I did was point out that you are a transparent troll who uses faulty logic and reduces the game down in order to make troll points.

Your insistence on what you believe is my inspiration reveals your true aspiration of the thread. Glass is less transparent.

You know the saying, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."

And we go all the way back to the ESPN boards with this. Everyone who knows you realizes the love affair you have with Kobe.

[hater]

I got bored too. So I looked at performances of game 3 of the NBA Finals. You see, the last game of the Finals can be deceiving. Take for example if it's a game 4 where one team clearly is better than the other and is up 3-0 in the Finals. Do you take much from the inevitable game 4 stats of players on either team? Now game 3 is almost always pivotal in the Finals. The team is either up 2 games and can drive the final nail in the coffin (generally on the road). Or the team is down 2 games and it's a must-win situation for the team that is down. Or it's 1-1 with a change of venue and game 3 will go a long way in deciding the course of the series. Rather the last game of the series where sometimes the game doesn't have the juice or pressure you might think because of how the rest of the series went, game 3 always has that juice.

That said, let's look at game 3 stats of players in the NBA Finals.

Kobe Bryant 6 games (was injured for game 3 of the 2000 NBA Finals)

29.2 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.2 APG, 1.3 SPG, 45.7% FG

Tim Duncan 4 games

17.3 PPG, 11.8 RPG, 4.0 APG, 1.8 BPG, 41.0% FG

Michael Jordan 6 games

30.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 5.3 APG, 2.2 SPG, 44.7% FG

Discuss more.

great point. I was thinking the same but IMHO the most important games in a series are in this order:
game 7
game 5
game 2
game 1
game 3
game 4

but of course depending on the circunstance. You'd have to look at every individual series and choose the 2 or 3 most important games of the series.

also another thing to note. I wanna see the performance in games when the player's team is down in the series
1 game down
2 games down
3 games down

[history2b]

You know the saying, "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck..."

And we go all the way back to the ESPN boards with this. Everyone who knows you realizes the love affair you have with Kobe.


Says a troll who would literally lick Duncan's acehole clean after every dump he takes.... can't take your interpretation any more serious than your ability to understand the game of basketball.

[midnightpulp]

Says a troll who would literally lick Duncan's acehole clean after every dump he takes.... can't take your interpretation any more serious than your ability to understand the game of basketball.

fail for calling an asshole an "acehole."

[MiamiHeat]

JoeJam is full of shit.

Do the numbers again. He posted incorrect numbers. I just checked them.

Huge Laker/Kobe cocksucker who types too much.

[midnightpulp]

And for Jam:

(you know I respect you as a poster, so consider any light smack I throw your way, calling you a "Kobe fanboy," etc, as tongue-in-cheek).

Back to your Game 3 argument. Only two Game 3's Kobe played in could really be called, "pivotal." In '04, tied 1-1 headed to the Palace to play your boys, and this past year against the Celtics. Sure, every game in the Finals is "pivotal," but I just don't feel it's quite up there in importance if your team is up 2-0, or even when you're down 0-2).

Kobe's combined stats in those games (FG and PPG, don't feel like adding up the other stats):

20ppg on .326% shooting.

[mindcrime]

Are you kidding? 35% FGs is terrible. A five-percent drop is pretty big. As you note, all those elite players saw their FG% drop -- not surprising given fatigue and facing elite defenses playing as hard as they can.

But it's impossible to spin 35% FGs as anything but bad.

Despite that -- Jamstone is absolutely correct. Game 3s are a really big deal and as it so happens Kobe's been pretty great in those games.

Excluding game 3 of the 2004 finals of course.

4/13 .308FG% 3RB 5AST 11PTS (played 45 minutes)

All of which led to a 88 - 68 ass pounding delivered by the Pistons.

[MiamiHeat]

And for Jam:

(you know I respect you as a poster, so consider any light smack I throw your way, calling you a "Kobe fanboy," etc, as tongue-in-cheek).

no, fuck that. I don't respect him.

He's a -LIAR- and he has shown he is NOT CAPABLE of posting without bias. His posts have agendas in them and he twists shit up, as evident in this thread.

[midnightpulp]

Oops. Forgot the 01 series against Philly. The Lakers were tied 1-1 going into game 3.

Adjusted:

3 games: 24ppg on 36% shooting.

[MiamiHeat]

midnight, check your PMs

[JamStone]

JoeJam is full of shit.

Do the numbers again. He posted incorrect numbers. I just checked them.

Huge Laker/Kobe cocksucker who types too much.

Lol "JoeJam"

[MiamiHeat]

Lol "JoeJam"

having to lie to make an argument

you are fucking FAIL :lmao

[JamStone]

having to lie to make an argument

you are fucking FAIL :lmao

Go ahead and post the stats.

Perhaps you miscalculated. Your anger and rage could have resulted in mistakes.

[MiamiHeat]

Go ahead and post the stats.

Perhaps you miscalculated. Your anger and rage could have resulted in mistakes.

You lowered Jordan's FG% and raised Kobe's FG%, you little cocksucker.


I didn't check the PPG, rebs, steals, maybe someone should check if you tampered with those too.

Nothing you type can be taken seriously.

[DeadlyDynasty]

You lowered Jordan's FG% and raised Kobe's FG%, you little cocksucker.


I didn't check the PPG, rebs, steals, maybe someone should check if you tampered with those too.

Nothing you type can be taken seriously.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/3/2j5aqdu.jpg

[JamStone]

Just double checked the FG% for both Kobe and Jordan. Went back and made sure I wrote down the correct FG/FGA and did the math right on both players.

Both correct.

Your anger is a little disconcerting.

[MiamiHeat]

Just double checked the FG% for both Kobe and Jordan. Went back and made sure I wrote down the correct FG/FGA and did the math right on both players.

Both correct.

Your anger is a little disconcerting.

lololol

show your work, with notes and everything and explanations

i will grade you !

[cheguevara]

LMAO Heat fans melting down already. At game 3 of the regular season

:lmao

[JamStone]

NBA Finals Game 3s FG/FGA

Kobe Bryant
2001: 13-30
2002: 14-23
2004: 4-13
2008: 12-20
2009: 11-25
2010: 10-29

Total: 64-140 = 45.7% FG

Michael Jordan
1991: 11-28
1992: 11-22
1993: 19-43
1996: 11-23
1997: 9-22
1998: 7-14

Total: 68-152 = 44.7% FG

[z0sa]

MH, JamStone has made his assertion already. You should just post your counter-argument (or the right stats) if you are so confident.

[Chris Fall]

what were lebrons finals stats, didn't he shoot 32%

[midnightpulp]

Both of you aren't lying. MH took the percentages, added them up, and divided by 6, which results in .455.

Jam divided attempts into made shots.

Anyway, both percentages are within a point of each other, so it's not really an issue. Splitting hairs here.

[MiamiHeat]

NBA Finals Game 3s FG/FGA

Kobe Bryant
2001: 13-30
2002: 14-23
2004: 4-13
2008: 12-20
2009: 11-25
2010: 10-29

Total: 64-140 = 45.7% FG

Michael Jordan
1991: 11-28
1992: 11-22
1993: 19-43
1996: 11-23
1997: 9-22
1998: 7-14

Total: 68-152 = 44.7% FG

not enough, F

[TheMACHINE]

lol..OP trying to troll and it backfires.

[JamStone]

You said I lowered Jordan's shooting and raised Kobe's.

You're more than welcome to show me where I erred.

You're more than welcome to show what you believe are the correct shooting percentages.

[midnightpulp]

lol..OP trying to troll and it backfires.

How was I trying to troll?

I posted simple stats and left it at that.

[MiamiHeat]

Both of you aren't lying. MH took the percentages, added them up, and divided by 6, which results in .455.

Jam divided attempts into made shots.

Anyway, both percentages are within a point of each other, so it's not really an issue. Splitting hairs here.

well, my way has MJ's % up 1 point more and kobe's lower by a few decimals

[TheMACHINE]

How was I trying to troll?

I posted simple stats and left it at that.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/Captain802_Second/obvious_troll.jpg

[JamStone]

Lol adding the percentages and dividing by the games.

So if a player plays two games and shoots the following:

game 1: 2-2 FG/FGA for 100%
game 2: 10-20 FG/FGA for 50%

Using your math, that player is shooting 75% from the field.

Lol Miami education system

[DeadlyDynasty]

Lol adding the percentages and dividing by the games.

So if a player plays two games and shoots the following:

game 1: 2-2 FG/FGA for 100%
game 2: 10-20 FG/FGA for 50%

Using your math, that player is shooting 75% from the field.

Lol Miami education system

The cubanos give the rest of us natives a bad name :depressed

[MiamiHeat]

Lol adding the percentages and dividing by the games.

So if a player plays two games and shoots the following:

game 1: 2-2 FG/FGA for 100%
game 2: 10-20 FG/FGA for 50%

Using your math, that player is shooting 75% from the field.



AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup.

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .545


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.

[JamStone]

Wow...


AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup.

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .540


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.

[TheMACHINE]

AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup.

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .545


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.

HOLY SHIT... you're a dumbass

If you pick up dwight howard in fantasy basketball and he goes 10-20ft.

Then you pick up Calderon and he goes 2-2ft.

Do you think your free throw stat will be 75%? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

Wow...

:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

HOLY SHIT... you're a dumbass

If you pick up dwight howard in fantasy basketball and he goes 10-20ft.

Then you pick up Calderon and he goes 2-2ft.

Do you think your free throw stat will be 75%? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

yes it will be 75%

PROVE ME WRONG laker scum

[z0sa]

AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup.

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .545


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.

What is 12-22, .750 or .545

[DeadlyDynasty]

yes it will be 75%

PROVE ME WRONG laker scum

you're pissing into the wind, but by all means keep denying it. You make lefty look good:toast

[TheMACHINE]

yes it will be 75%

PROVE ME WRONG laker scum


What is 12-22, .750 or .545

proved you wrong

[MiamiHeat]

What is 12-22, .750 or .545

that's for a single game.

:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

you're pissing into the wind, but by all means keep denying it. You make lefty look good:toast

:toast

[MiamiHeat]

proved you wrong

single game

the topic at hand is the average FG% of a collection of games. my way is better

MJ >>> kobe

[JamStone]

Quit now. It's for the best.

[TheMACHINE]

that's for a single game.

:lmao

i bet this faggot is gonna play the "you guys actually thought i was serious" card.

[MiamiHeat]

i bet this faggot is gonna play the "you guys actually thought i was serious" card.

only faggot here is you laker fag

[TheMACHINE]

only faggot here is you laker fag

ok math genius.

[z0sa]

single game

the topic at hand is the average FG% of a collection of games

I can see both ways, tbh, like midnight said. Personally I'd go with JamStone's way, though. There's got to be someone here who knows which way is the definitive answer.

[MiamiHeat]

Quit now. It's for the best.

suck some more kobe cock, thats what you love to do dont you?

why don't you tell us more interesting little facts that make kobe look decent?

MJ >>> Kobe

[TheMACHINE]

suck some more kobe cock, thats what you love to do dont you?

why don't you tell us more interesting little facts that make kobe look decent?

MJ >>> Kobe

lol Einstein changing the subject

[MiamiHeat]

ok math genius.

don't be angry that your boy kobe doesnt stack up to MJ

it takes jamstone to pick weird shit like game 3's and favorable math methods to make kobe even look CLOSE to MJ

plus, who the fuck cares about game 3s, laker fag?

closeout games, win or go home is where the pressure is at.

[JamStone]

suck some more kobe cock, thats what you love to do dont you?

why don't you tell us more interesting little facts that make kobe look decent?

MJ >>> Kobe

You should have just apologized for being stupid. I would have kindly accepted.

And I don't agree that MJ >>> Kobe.

In my opinion, it's at least MJ >>>>>>>>>> Kobe

[MiamiHeat]

lol Einstein changing the subject

really? cause i could have sworn jamfag changed the subject from Closeout NBA Final games to "game 3s"

there was a reason to pick close out games. the pressure is on

nobody gives a shit about your boy kobes game 3s.

[TheMACHINE]

don't be angry that your boy kobe doesnt stack up to MJ

it takes jamstone to pick weird shit like game 3's and favorable math methods to make kobe even look CLOSE to MJ

plus, who the fuck cares about game 3s, laker fag?

closeout games, win or go home is where the pressure is at.

lol go pick up Dwight Howard thinking Carlos Arroyo's 1-1 FT will offset Dwight Howards crappy ft%

:lmao:rollin

[midnightpulp]

I can see both ways, tbh, like midnight said. Personally I'd go with JamStone's way, though. There's got to be someone here who knows which way is the definitive answer.

The correct way is Jam's.

MH's way works for quick and pretty accurate (but not exact) estimate, provided there's a significant amount of field goal attempts.

[MiamiHeat]

You should have just apologized for being stupid. I would have kindly accepted.

And I don't agree that MJ >>> Kobe.

In my opinion, it's at least MJ >>>>>>>>>> Kobe

fuck your math :lmao

my way has MJ 1% higher than what you put him at

thats what goes here.

[TheMACHINE]

LoL "Fuck your math"

[JamStone]

really? cause i could have sworn jamfag changed the subject from Closeout NBA Final games to "game 3s"

there was a reason to pick close out games. the pressure is on

nobody gives a shit about your boy kobes game 3s.

How much pressure is on in a game 4 when your team is up 3-0 in the series with four chances to close out the series?

I admit I did go off on a tangent from the original post.

I think what's funny about you changing the subject is that you kept defending your way of doing math when the entire universe would do it "my" way. It's how NBA shooting percentages are calculated by every stats keeper in the entire basketball world. "Your" math makes absolutely no sense. And on top of that, knowing how I calculated the percentages I posted, you could at the very least apologize for making false accusations, if not for throwing petty insults and name-calling based on those false accusations.

But it is what it is...

[MiamiHeat]

lol go pick up Dwight Howard thinking Carlos Arroyo's 1-1 FT will offset Dwight Howards crappy ft%

:lmao:rollin

i dont play fantasy basketball, scum licker.

i have a real fantasy team to watch called the miami heat.

[TheMACHINE]

How much pressure is on in a game 4 when your team is up 3-0 in the series with four chances to close out the series?

I admit I did go off on a tangent from the original post.

I think what's funny about you changing the subject is that you kept defending your way of doing math when the entire universe would do it "my" way. It's how NBA shooting percentages are calculated by every stats keeper in the entire basketball world. "Your" math makes absolutely no sense. And on top of that, knowing how I calculated the percentages I posted, you could at the very least apologize for making false accusations, if not for throwing petty insults and name-calling based on those false accusations.

But it is what it is...

Fuck yo math jams!

[MiamiHeat]

Fuck yo math jams!

:lmao you and ur friends got any more stats to cherry pick that will make kobe look decent?

[TheMACHINE]

i dont play fantasy basketball, scum licker.

i have a real fantasy team to watch called the miami heat.

sweet...Here's a question for you and your real fantasy team:

If in this single game:

Lebrons shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Wade shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Bosh shoots 0 for 1 (0%)


Does that mean those 3 combined for 66% fg? :lmao:lol:rollin

[MiamiHeat]

How much pressure is on in a game 4 when your team is up 3-0 in the series with four chances to close out the series?

I admit I did go off on a tangent from the original post.

I think what's funny about you changing the subject is that you kept defending your way of doing math when the entire universe would do it "my" way. It's how NBA shooting percentages are calculated by every stats keeper in the entire basketball world. "Your" math makes absolutely no sense. And on top of that, knowing how I calculated the percentages I posted, you could at the very least apologize for making false accusations, if not for throwing petty insults and name-calling based on those false accusations.

But it is what it is...

fuck that, nothing you type can be taken seriously, fag

you play for the gold and purple, you lick kobe bootyholes all day

[Medvedenko]

Sooooooo......what I can garner from this enlighteninig thread....
Mid, professes stats that discredit Kobe, as usual
Jam: with the good as usual.
MiamiHeat: GED as usual.

[MiamiHeat]

sweet...Here's a question for you and your real fantasy team:

If in this single game:

Lebrons shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Wade shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Bosh shoots 0 for 1 (0%)


Does that mean those 3 combined for 66% fg? :lmao:lol:rollin

that doesnt even make sense, brah

[MiamiHeat]

Sooooooo......what I can garner from this enlighteninig thread....
Mid, professes stats that discredit Kobe, as usual
Jam: with the good as usual.
MiamiHeat: GED as usual.

church of kobe in the house

[TheMACHINE]

that doesnt even make sense, brah

:lmao:rollin

[z0sa]

The correct way is Jam's.

MH's way works for quick and pretty accurate (but not exact) estimate, provided there's a significant amount of field goal attempts.

i fucking hate math.

now I clearly see why I would do it Jam's way. The percentages are an extrapolation of the FG's themselves. One must return to the source of the info for the accurate solution.

[MiamiHeat]

:lmao:rollin

:ihit:ihit

[TheMACHINE]

i fucking hate math.

now I clearly see why I would do it Jam's way. The percentages are an extrapolation of the FG's themselves. One must return to the source of the info for the accurate solution.

its would only be accurate if the same amount of fg's were attempted in each game.

[MiamiHeat]

its would only be accurate if the same amount of fg's were attempted in each game.

or to be translated :

"Anything that makes KoMe Bryant look good"

game 3's :lmao:lmao:lmao

[TheGreatest23]

sweet...Here's a question for you and your real fantasy team:

If in this single game:

Lebrons shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Wade shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Bosh shoots 0 for 1 (0%)


Does that mean those 3 combined for 66% fg? :lmao:lol:rollin


:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

makes no sense brah

bosh would at least get 50%

[Jose Canseco]

LMAOOOOOOO 0 for 1 = 50%??????????????

[midnightpulp]

Sooooooo......what I can garner from this enlighteninig thread....
Mid, professes stats that discredit Kobe, as usual
Jam: with the good as usual.
MiamiHeat: GED as usual.

Jam's statistical breakdown was no different than mine. We both took a game we thought as important and posted the stats for them.

But "Jam brought the goods," because the game he chose wound up bolstering Kobe.

Classic Lakerfag double think.

And BTW, I didn't "discredit" Kobe in my OP. If you're going to claim that, I also discredited Duncan, considering his FG%, like Kobe's, is pretty underwhelming.

However, both players were consistent in all other areas and neither can be accused of playing an overall terrible game.

Jesus Christ, Kobe zealots are paranoid.

[MiamiHeat]

he would go bout 3-6 for 50%

gotta keep his FG's low so bron and wade can shine

[TheMACHINE]

makes no sense brah

bosh would at least get 50%

The correct answer is that they combined for 97.5% fucktard.

[MiamiHeat]

The correct answer is that they combined for 97.5% fucktard.

hey fuckface

bosh isnt getting only 1 fg attempt

try again

[Jose Canseco]

But both LeBron and Wade going 20 for 20 in the same game makes complete sense?

It's a hypothetical.

[MiamiHeat]

But both LeBron and Wade going 20 for 20 in the same game makes complete sense?



why not?

Lebron can actually dominate a game and Wade is Wade. both of them can dominate, unlike kobe who acts the part while shooting 6-24 so he can piggyback shaq and gasol to rings

[SomeCallMeTim]

Excluding game 3 of the 2004 finals of course.

4/13 .308FG% 3RB 5AST 11PTS (played 45 minutes)

All of which led to a 88 - 68 ass pounding delivered by the Pistons.

:lol

I think if you take the best or the worst of any sample of 7, you're going to get some skewed numbers in either direction. I wouldn't put too much stock into an outlier either way.

[SomeCallMeTim]

AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup.

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .545


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.

:lol

I mean... wow... seriously :lol :lol :lol

Have to quote that again, just for the :lol


AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup.

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .545


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Miami Heat is lefty's new apprentice, BSM has been fired. The classic "deny, deny, deny, and when all else fails pretend I was trolling the entire time" tactic.

[Poirot]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

I had a good laugh too. That post by MiamiHeat was one of the dumbest I've ever read.

[jag]

fuck your math



:lmao

[Brazil]

:lmao

this thread delivers, should go directly on the classic ones

"fuck your maths" :lmao

[Jloyola]

no, fuck that. I don't respect him.

He's a -LIAR- and he has shown he is NOT CAPABLE of posting without bias. His posts have agendas in them and he twists shit up, as evident in this thread.


You lowered Jordan's FG% and raised Kobe's FG%, you little cocksucker. :downspin:


I didn't check the PPG, rebs, steals, maybe someone should check if you tampered with those too.

Nothing you type can be taken seriously.


AVERAGING .750 FG% shooting over 2 games, yup. :lmao

Your way of adding it up?

shooting .545


Your way is fucked, imo. Figuring out the field goal percentage for Game 3's does not mean you add up all the FG-FGA and find out the Field goal % as if it were a single game.


yes it will be 75%

PROVE ME WRONG laker scum


sweet...Here's a question for you and your real fantasy team:

If in this single game:

Lebrons shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Wade shoots 20 for 20 (100%)
Bosh shoots 0 for 1 (0%)


Does that mean those 3 combined for 66% fg? :lmao:lol:rollin


that doesnt even make sense, brah


why not?

Lebron can actually dominate a game and Wade is Wade. both of them can dominate, unlike kobe who acts the part while shooting 6-24 so he can piggyback shaq and gasol to rings

Isnt that what Lebron is doing.. piggybacking off a Top 5 player with a championship ring?

[MiamiHeat]

son, i dont care what you think of bron bron

hes a Heater now and hes still the best player in the L and HEAT are gonna win rings

http://www.b12partners.net/mt/images/_Dave_Chappelle_As_Prince.jpg

GAME, BLOUSES

[Killakobe81]

Who cares? Last finals game was Game 7 for Kobe and he sucked ass. He cant erase that stain until his NEXT finals game. Even another scintilating WCF won't coll the heat he rightfully deserves for Game 7.

But many kobe detractors say he is not great because he is primarily scorer ...but dude grabs 15 rebounds as shooting guard and help stifle the Celts offense ...but that doesn't matter. GTFO ...don't mind the Kobe bashing just be fair and consistent. IF Manu or Wade shot the same but was clutch and grabbed 15 boards San antonio heat would be saying both were better than Kobe ...

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol MH trolling everybody in this thread..

[Jelloisjigglin]

"PROVE ME WRONG laker scum"


That made me crack up. :lol