The Gasol trade..

[HarlemHeat37]

It turned out to be a good trade for the Lakers IMO..

[Giuseppe]

It transcended Bryant, from an unstable psychopath to a functioning psychopath.

[kamikazi_player]

Trade of the decade in my humble opinion.

[ohmwrecker]

That is some 14k+, All-SpursTalk Second Team shit right there.

[Killakobe81]

That is some 14k+, All-SpursTalk Second Team shit right there.

LMAO ohm with the scathing insight ...

[Killakobe81]

BTW ...WTF with all the Laker threads and posts?

We beat Houston and GSW at home and PHX on the road ...houston is a good team despite being 0-3 and Phoenix is good but learning new players ...

I see no need for Laker fans to gloat too much or Laker haters to get their schlongs bent. Lakers have proved little except that their bench is better, and Lamar benefited from his Team USA stint.

Everything else we knew. Pau has a sweet post game. Kobe is still a top 5 player. artest still plays lockdown defense ... Not much to see here TBH ...

[LkrFan]

LO would have been a better 3rd fiddle on the Hype than RuPaul, tbh. Oops! Wrong thread. :downspin:

[Medvedenko]

Granted the Trade did change everything, 3 straight trips to the finals, a back to back and a revived Kobe and Phil. Still, you put any quality big around Kobe, Odom, Bynum and Phil you'd have vaired stats with the same results though.

[Killakobe81]

Granted the Trade did change everything, 3 straight trips to the finals, a back to back and a revived Kobe and Phil. Still, you put any quality big around Kobe, Odom, Bynum and Phil you'd have vaired stats with the same results though.

Depends what you mean by quality big.
KG or duncan agree.
Bosh, (even though I think he is good) Boozer or Amare I dont think so.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Pau fits the triangle perfectly, couldn't have worked out better for LAL

[Medvedenko]

Depends what you mean by quality big ...KG or duncan agree. Bosh (even though I think he us good) Boozer or Amare I dont think so.

I was being a little sarcastic, but yes Pau does fit in very well indeed.

[TheGreatest23]

The gasol trade was just as good as the Duncan Tank, imo.

[BanditHiro]

The gasol trade was just as good as the Duncan Tank, imo.

we didn't tank nigga we just sucked that year

[21_Blessings]

It turned out to be a good trade for the Lakers IMO..

Yup. But the Kobe trade was even better...

[LkrFan]

we didn't tank nigga we just sucked that year

Yes, y'all did. It's OK. I would have rather see TD in SA and not in Boston.

[ohmwrecker]

Yes, y'all did. It's OK. I would have rather see TD in SA and not in Boston.

Horseshit. Robinson played six games and the rest of that team was pretty mediocre.

[HarlemHeat37]

BTW, serious question..how did Mitch Kupchak become such an amazing GM in that year?..he was making some shitty moves before the Gasol trade, how exactly did he find the ability to pull off a trade like that?..

No trolling, just curious, since Laker fans obviously know more about it than I do..

[Smooth Criminal]

That's some revolutionary thinking...good shit

[Giuseppe]

BTW, serious question..how did Mitch Kupchak become such an amazing GM in that year?..he was making some shitty moves before the Gasol trade, how exactly did he find the ability to pull off a trade like that?..

No trolling, just curious, since Laker fans obviously know more about it than I do..

Probably wasn't much demand for Gasol since he'd never won a playoff game in his life and just kinda puttered around the game.

As much as I cherish Pau, the greed in me continues to rue the loss of his brother in the swap. I get old familiar stirrings in the loins when the I think of those two toiling for us.

Asked it before:::I just wonder if he were an afterthought in the trade, or, did Memphis target & insist on Marc?

[Ghazi]

Probably wasn't much demand for Gasol since he'd never won a playoff game in his life and just kinda puttered around the game.

As much as I cherish Pau, the greed in me continues to rue the loss of his brother in the swap. I get old familiar stirrings in the loins when the I think of those two toiling for us.

Asked it before:::I just wonder if he were an afterthought in the trade, or, did Memphis target & insist on Marc?

sup Allanon

[21_Blessings]

Asked it before:::I just wonder if he were an afterthought in the trade, or, did Memphis target & insist on Marc?

Insisted per Chris Wallace a few days postmortem.

[lefty]

The gasol trade was just as good as the Duncan Tank, imo.

Yeah because the Spurs were going to win a lot of games with Vernon Maxwell, Carl Herrera and a washed up Dominique Wilkins

[21_Blessings]

You guys tanked and everybody knows. Get over it.

[Giuseppe]

sup Allanon

At least I ain't like Cubby, I still have my tumescence.:lol

[lefty]

You guys tanked and everybody knows. Get over it.

Sure
That roster minus Robinson should have won 62 games


Dumbasd

[21_Blessings]

minus Robinson

Holding him out longer than he should have been - all class.

Tanking got ya 4 rings (*2 though). The Spurs should get back to what they're good at. Building a championship squad through clever front office manuevers isn't their strong suit as we saw with Scola.

[Giuseppe]

It's your shit sandwich, Lefty.

Chow!

[Giuseppe]

Building a championship squad through clever front office manuevers isn't their strong suit as we saw with Scola.

Ouch!

[z0sa]

Tanking got ya 4 rings (*2 though). The Spurs should get back to what they're good at. Building a championship squad through clever front office manuevers isn't their strong suit as we saw with Scola.

Yeah dude.. we tanked for Parker and Manu. Drafting them was not a clever FO "maneuver" whatsoever. Or the Malik trade for Nazr.. that wasn't worth a damn and didn't have immediate ramifications like a won title or anything..:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/kelly_dwyer/06/25/gm.rankings/3.html

Mitch Kupchak is ranked as the 23rd best GM in the NBA at that time, 2007:lol..

This is from the article:


Despite two rings as the standalone boss in L.A., Kupchak hasn't made many solid moves. He's shown a lack of understanding for how his coach's triangle offense works by adding misfits like Isaiah Rider, Mitch Richmond, Slava Medvedenko and Kwame Brown. Save for 2003, he couldn't cash in on all the semi-stars who would have loved to play alongside Shaq and Kobe Bryant and for Jackson. The O'Neal trade, while needed, set the Lakers back mainly because they actually took on more salary than O'Neal would have cost them -- O'Neal's Lakers contract would have come off the books in 2006, while Brian Grant's deal (acquired for Shaq) won't come off the ledger until this summer. Trading Caron Butler for Brown seems almost comical at this point, and Kupchak's moves have so frustrated Bryant that his pleas for a trade have actually fallen on sympathetic ears.


Any addition of a star will cost them at least Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum, making any move a lateral one at best. The Lakers don't appear willing to make the right move -- trading Bryant for a series of talented, low-cost parts -- and it's hard to see just how this team is going to improve should it hold serve.

So Kupchak found a way to defy logic and get a star player without having to give up either guy?!..this guy is amazing, TBH..

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=44084&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

This is the reaction to the article on LG, most of them actually think he's ranked too high on the list..

Those are just 2 quick links..

So again, I'm curious..how does a guy that Laker fans and the media considered to be one of the worst GMs in the NBA pull of a trade that completely changed NBA history?..one of the top 5 most important trades in NBA history..

I'm just wondering if anybody knows what he did during that off-season or whatever..did he read a lot of books about being a GM or something?..

Why isn't he talked about more?..amazing..

[lefty]

Holding him out longer than he should have been - all class.

Tanking got ya 4 rings (*2 though). The Spurs should get back to what they're good at. Building a championship squad through clever front office manuevers isn't their strong suit as we saw with Scola.

Spurs = class

[Jelloisjigglin]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/kelly_dwyer/06/25/gm.rankings/3.html

Mitch Kupchak is ranked as the 23rd best GM in the NBA at that time, 2007:lol..

This is from the article:





So Kupchak found a way to defy logic and get a star player without having to give up either guy?!..this guy is amazing, TBH..

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=44084&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

This is the reaction to the article on LG, most of them actually think he's ranked too high on the list..

Those are just 2 quick links..

So again, I'm curious..how does a guy that Laker fans and the media considered to be one of the worst GMs in the NBA pull of a trade that completely changed NBA history?..one of the top 5 most important trades in NBA history..

I'm just wondering if anybody knows what he did during that off-season or whatever..did he read a lot of books about being a GM or something?..

Why isn't he talked about more?..amazing..

Doesn't matter. This shit happened almost 3 years ago. Get over it.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm over it, it's just a phenomenon that interests me..I'm a big fan of Kupchak's work, I'm just looking for some more information about him..

[Jelloisjigglin]

I'm over it, it's just a phenomenon that interests me..I'm a big fan of Kupchak's work, I'm just looking for some more information about him..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitch_Kupchak

Glad i could help.

[21_Blessings]

2007 trade to obtain Trevor Ariza for Brian Cook and Maurice Evans

:lol

[SomeCallMeTim]

BTW, serious question..how did Mitch Kupchak become such an amazing GM in that year?..he was making some shitty moves before the Gasol trade, how exactly did he find the ability to pull off a trade like that?..

No trolling, just curious, since Laker fans obviously know more about it than I do..

That's a good question, actually.

Not that I have a great answer other than Kupchak was somewhat underrated -- maybe a little overrated now. :lol

I think the larger truth illustrated by this and the opposite trajectory to the results of Joe Dumars over that time is that being a GM is really hard and they are judged on things that have a great deal of uncertainty.

Philip Roth once wrote something to the effect of "History is the writing down as inevitable that which was completely in doubt at the time." I think that's a succinctly as one can put the notion that so much of what we accept as inevitable (that Darko would suck while LeBron would be great) is anything but. GMs make decisions all the time that will have consequences 10+ years down the road. Who can possibly predict outcomes like that?

I'm not saying it's all random, but luck sure has a lot to do with it. It's like hearing about a guy who invested a million dollars in buying homes in the 2000s and selling them 3 years later. People judge on results so if he bought in 2002 and sold in 2005 he was a genius... if he bought in 2006 and sold in 2009, he was an idiot. :lol

[SomeCallMeTim]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/kelly_dwyer/06/25/gm.rankings/3.html

Mitch Kupchak is ranked as the 23rd best GM in the NBA at that time, 2007:lol..

:lol at being 4 slots behind Elgin Baylor. Ouch.

(For the record, I think it's almost impossible to judge Baylor's track record as a GM with that interfering, penny-pinching jerk of an owner Sterling he had to work with. He deserved sainthood for putting up with him.)

Yeah, perception changes rather quickly. Dumars #3 back in the good ol days before all his chickens came home to roost and he began signing the likes of Gordon and Villanueva to insane deals.

[SomeCallMeTim]

There isn't a single GM in the league who hasn't made some moves that make them look like a total idiot, BTW. Buford is accepted as one of the best in the business and he has Scola and Jefferson on his resume now. Kupchak's blunders are well-documented. Daryl "Moneyball" Morley seems to have exhausted his genius label with Rocketfan here at ST in just 3 games already. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Fair answer..I agree that luck obviously has a lot to do with it, too..

[lefty]

I'm over it, it's just a phenomenon that interests me..I'm a big fan of Kupchak's work, I'm just looking for some more information about him..

Olajuwon slapped him in 1986

[La Mont]

its never a bad trade for you when you get a franchise player of another team without losing any actual value.

[Jose Canseco]

A lot of luck. Danny Ainge was widely considered a failure of a GM before the summer of 2007. For that matter, you can include coaching with that too. Doc Rivers, despite his COY in Orlando, seemed like a bumbling idiot of a coach a lot of times before KG and Ray Allen as well. All it takes is one great move. If a GM/team is lucky, maybe they'll make a couple great moves or a great move and a couple pretty good moves. And it doesn't matter if that great move (or moves) is a product of shrewdness, ingenuity, luck, or foul play. You make that great move, and it can turn the tides of fortune for a franchise and the perception of a GM and/or coach.

It is, was, and always will be a players' league. Great players win in this league. Great coaches don't always win. Look at a guy like Larry Brown, who coached for over 3 decades before winning an NBA championship, but was for the longest time regarded as one of the best coaches in the league. It takes the right players, the right team, the right situation to win. Kupchak wasn't an idiot in 2007 and he's not a genius now. One move changes the perception, but the truth is that he's probably somewhere in the middle.

[LkrFan]

HarlemHo links a 2007 topic from LG to prove a point? Of course Laker fans were frustrated. We were wasting Kobe's prime with the starting lineup of Smush, Kobe, LO, Cook and Kwamay Brown. :lmao

Then MK waived his magic wand and netted the big Spaniard. And all is well in La La land. :toast

[MiamiHeat]

It's simple

It was collusion. Mitch Kupchack got the credit for the trades and moves, but let's be frank.

Jerry Buss, Jerry West, and probably more Laker family members, began to work behind the scenes to get shit done :

1) Bryant wanted out of LA.

2) The Celtics just got KG and Ray Allen

So basically, LA was going to end up in the NBA lottery for the next few seasons while the Celtics dominated the NBA Finals.

This was easy motivation. Buss didn't want to lose Bryant and have the Celtics succeed at the same time.

I'm even positive David Stern had a hand in it. Reviving the Lakers-Celtics? Good for the league.

Mitch got all the credit, but it was fucking obvious there was cheating involved behind the scenes.

[dastrey]

You guys don't get it. Memphis had to unload Gasol's contract for better one's in Zach Randolph, Rudy Gay and Mike Conley.

[DeadlyDynasty]

It's simple

It was collusion. Mitch Kupchack got the credit for the trades and moves, but let's be frank.

Jerry Buss, Jerry West, and probably more Laker family members, began to work behind the scenes to get shit done :

1) Bryant wanted out of LA.

2) The Celtics just got KG and Ray Allen

So basically, LA was going to end up in the NBA lottery for the next few seasons while the Celtics dominated the NBA Finals.

This was easy motivation. Buss didn't want to lose Bryant and have the Celtics succeed at the same time.

I'm even positive David Stern had a hand in it. Reviving the Lakers-Celtics? Good for the league.

Mitch got all the credit, but it was fucking obvious there was cheating involved behind the scenes.

:cry:cry:cry

[MiamiHeat]

:cry:cry:cry

http://s2.n4g.com/media/11/news/565000/565553_0.jpg

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

[Darrin]

Trade of the decade in my humble opinion.

Rasheed Wallace to Detroit.

[DeadlyDynasty]

http://s2.n4g.com/media/11/news/565000/565553_0.jpg



http://www.thelosscolumn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/LeBron_Crying.jpg
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/122/724/RackMultipart.7031.0_display_image.jpg?1260204994
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0630/pg2_g_cbosh_300.jpg
:nope

[BanditHiro]

It's simple

It was collusion. Mitch Kupchack got the credit for the trades and moves, but let's be frank.

Jerry Buss, Jerry West, and probably more Laker family members, began to work behind the scenes to get shit done :

1) Bryant wanted out of LA.

2) The Celtics just got KG and Ray Allen

So basically, LA was going to end up in the NBA lottery for the next few seasons while the Celtics dominated the NBA Finals.

This was easy motivation. Buss didn't want to lose Bryant and have the Celtics succeed at the same time.

I'm even positive David Stern had a hand in it. Reviving the Lakers-Celtics? Good for the league.

Mitch got all the credit, but it was fucking obvious there was cheating involved behind the scenes.

.

[MiamiHeat]

http://image.muzi.com/pfm_image/202466045216350.jpg

[MiamiHeat]

oh, and it's not just the Gasol trade.

Remember how suddenly Derek Fisher had this huge need to leave Utah and used his daughter's eye problem as an excuse?

"Please let me out of my contract, my daughter! do it for the kids =("

Utah : "Ok, Derek, but we will only release you if you give us your word that you will not go to the Lakers"

Derek : "I promise"

*signs with Lakers*


Seriously. Behind the scenes collusion, but Stern is in on it. Lakers-Celtics = $$ for the NBA at the time.

[DeadlyDynasty]

http://image.muzi.com/pfm_image/202466045216350.jpg

http://www.miadonnadiamondblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/picture-31.png

all forgiven

[BanditHiro]

It's simple

It was collusion. Mitch Kupchack got the credit for the trades and moves, but let's be frank.

Jerry Buss, Jerry West, and probably more Laker family members, began to work behind the scenes to get shit done :

1) Bryant wanted out of LA.

2) The Celtics just got KG and Ray Allen

So basically, LA was going to end up in the NBA lottery for the next few seasons while the Celtics dominated the NBA Finals.

This was easy motivation. Buss didn't want to lose Bryant and have the Celtics succeed at the same time.

I'm even positive David Stern had a hand in it. Reviving the Lakers-Celtics? Good for the league.

Mitch got all the credit, but it was fucking obvious there was cheating involved behind the scenes.

..

[LkrFan]

MiamiHeat - you are probably dumber than Ace and HarlemHo combined. Good job. :toast

[Killakobe81]

MiamiHeat - you are probably dumber than Ace and HarlemHo combined. Good job. :toast

LOL Harlem has his moments, in fact he is quite smrt ...that is why when he posts dumb shit ...i scratch my head. :rolleyes

[Ashy Larry]

would have been much better if the Lakers could have kept Marc Gasol. People act as if he wasn't part of the deal and is just a stiff. Dude can ball.

[cobbler]

What a pathetic thread.

HarlemHypocrite's schtick getting so old he's gotta reach back and actually pull the Gasol trade card AGAIN? Really? :lol

[LkrFan]

would have been much better if the Lakers could have kept Marc Gasol. People act as if he wasn't part of the deal and is just a stiff. Dude can ball.
QFT. Plus Kwame's expiring KT was one of the biggest ones out there - which is what Memphis wanted. Not to mention the Logo was no longer part of the Memphis organization at the time of the trade. Little known fact: MK had been after Gasol at least a year before the trade went down. Memphis wasn't ready then. Gasol was disgruntled. Then there was another year of mediocrity for the Grizzlies. Then boom! They were ripe for a trade of the big Spaniard. Haters gone hate though. :lol

[midnightpulp]

Through three games, Gasol has been the best player in the West. I always said if Mamba kept his shot attempts to around 17-19 a game and let Gasol put up an equal amount of shots, Gasol would flourish even more.

[HarlemHeat37]

MiamiHeat brings up some good points in this thread, TBH..

I never really looked at the Gasol trade as a collusion-type deal, but after reading some of his points, it makes you wonder..

[HarlemHeat37]

Through three games, Gasol has been the best player in the West. I always said if Mamba kept his shot attempts to around 17-19 a game and let Gasol put up an equal amount of shots, Gasol would flourish even more.

I've been scared of that for a while now..if Gasol got the ball more than Kobe, they would actually be even scarier than they currently are, even though they're the 2 time champs..

Fortunately, Kobe will never let that happen in the playoffs..

BTW, is LkrFan the worst poster here?:lol..

[HarlemHeat37]

HarlemHo links a 2007 topic from LG to prove a point? Of course Laker fans were frustrated. We were wasting Kobe's prime with the starting lineup of Smush, Kobe, LO, Cook and Kwamay Brown. :lmao

Then MK waived his magic wand and netted the big Spaniard. And all is well in La La land. :toast

Um, that's the point of the thread..an article about Kupchak's GM'ing before the Gasol trade..

Honestly, do you purposely try to look so fucking stupid all the time, or what?..

[Giuseppe]

MiamiHeat brings up some good points in this thread, TBH..

I never really looked at the Gasol trade as a collusion-type deal, but after reading some of his points, it makes you wonder..

tee, hee.

[MiamiHeat]

Combine the Gasol trade with the Derek Fisher fiasco and you can see things were going on behind the scenes to build a team in LA.

through questionable means.

I am 100% positive there was tampering in Derek Fisher's case. promised him a starting job in LA but you gotta get out of your contract in Utah.

[Giuseppe]

^It was Miller's decision.

Your regrets were taken to the grave.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Combine the Gasol trade with the Derek Fisher fiasco and you can see things were going on behind the scenes to build a team in LA.

through questionable means.

I am 100% positive there was tampering in Derek Fisher's case. promised him a starting job in LA but you gotta get out of your contract in Utah.

maybe you should publish your findings if it makes you that butthurt

[LkrFan]

Um, that's the point of the thread..an article about Kupchak's GM'ing before the Gasol trade..

Honestly, do you purposely try to look so fucking stupid all the time, or what?..
That was not the point of the thread, not initially at least. You should have linked that forum topic you trolled to find on LG in your original post.

Anyway, who cares what you think? That wasn't collusion. Let me guess, in order for the other NBA teams to foil that deal, MK should have had a conference call with all of the other GMs? That way they can all know that the Lakers were about to rule the NBA again and put a stop to it. :lol

Collusion is 3 spoiled rich athletes getting together to try to win because they can't beat Kobe. I remember that tweet by the 2nd fiddle (on his own team :lol) saying he didn't feel so good literally minutes after Kobe clinched #5 over the Celtic scum. By next summer, he recruited his BFFs for a chance. Too bad he didn't count on MK fortifying our bench to thwart the 3 perimeter oriented players.

In closing, yeah, MK did a great job in putting the Lakers back on top. Thing is, the championship window is open for another 3-4 years... easily. And there is nothing the Hype can do about it, tbh. :toast

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

When people discuss the Gasol trade they point out it changed the west. This is true, but didn't trading Shaq in 2004 change the west as well? Kwame Brown had a huge expiring contract. No need to give up talent when that's all Memphis would take. Memphis wouldn't have taken Odom for Gasol because Lamar wasn't expiring. Same thing about sending Gasol to the Bulls for Deng, he wasn't expiring either.

As far as I know Mitch took grad classes in management at UCLA and was mentored by Jerry West. The rest he learned for himself. On the job training, for what it's worth.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

I had to hunt for this as I ran into it some time ago, but a Lakers fan predicted the Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol trade a year in advance:

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=36060

The comments are interesting.



Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: DM is calling it: Gasol for Kwame + ending contracts (My trade idea for Gasol)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have no inside info, just a hunch. Bynum's rapid development has caused a problem for the Lakers. Kwame Brown can only play center in the triangle and Bynum is clearly only a center. There are only so many minutes for each player. Translation: Unless Brown can play PF he has no future with the Lakers as Bynum is clearly our future at Center.

Next: Gasol demands a trade to a contender. West still has Laker ties and he is looking to rebuild his team. We can offer him Kwame plus the ending contracts of Mihm, Shamoo & Mckie. We can throw in a first or second round pick to if needed.

Why would the Grizz do this? They have no choice. Once a player demands a trade, their trade value goes to the basement. No team will offer up their star players for Gasol because they know that they don't have to. The Grizz will be forced to trade Gasol for less than market value, that is a proven fact in the NBA. Shaq, Iverson, Vince Carter ect. Most teams will offer up their malcontents and ending contracts. It will be up to West to pick the winner.

The Grizz are in total rebuilding mode, they would welcome the cap relief and the fact that Kwame only has one more year left on his contract.

Then we have Kwame firing his agent today. There are a lot of articles hinting that the Lakers are going to make a deal before the deadline. We don't need Kidd. I don't know, it just seems like it could happen. Ok FLAME AWAY!

Pau would be good fit on the Lakers since he can play PF next to Bynum and Odom can move back to the 3 with Walton now comming off the bench as our sixth man.

[Giuseppe]

Thank Christ for fruition & Perkins comin' down with the sickness. tee, hee.

[Crytek]

Gasol Trade? Just listen to the Expert...
8j9nsqv9m6M

[silverblk mystix]

It's simple

It was collusion. Mitch Kupchack got the credit for the trades and moves, but let's be frank.

Jerry Buss, Jerry West, and probably more Laker family members, began to work behind the scenes to get shit done :

1) Bryant wanted out of LA.

2) The Celtics just got KG and Ray Allen

So basically, LA was going to end up in the NBA lottery for the next few seasons while the Celtics dominated the NBA Finals.

This was easy motivation. Buss didn't want to lose Bryant and have the Celtics succeed at the same time.

I'm even positive David Stern had a hand in it. Reviving the Lakers-Celtics? Good for the league.

Mitch got all the credit, but it was fucking obvious there was cheating involved behind the scenes.

This has been obvious for so long-everyone knew this when it happened.

There has never been any question that this was not collusion.

DUH!

[TheMACHINE]

sweet...we got away with collusion...suckers

[midnightpulp]

sweet...we got away with collusion...suckers

I ain't hating. Do what you gotta do.

[Giuseppe]

That's big of ya, Midget.

[midnightpulp]

That's big of ya.

Bet you haven't said those words to yer pecker in a long, long time.

har, har, har.

[Giuseppe]

3+ years & counting, Midge.

[LkrFan]

http://image.muzi.com/pfm_image/202466045216350.jpg

This is funny of you to bring this up. Kobe faced his wife on TV in front of millions of people worldwide and manned up to his mistakes. LeHype didn't have the balls to tell Cleveland that he was leaving. I think I read somewhere that LeHype had one of his cronies send them a text message literally minutes before the airing of "Le Decision." Real classy move there! :lol

Kobe is mentally strong. Even after the above fiasco with his wife, he had to deal with the Vail, Colorado faggots dragging his name in the mud and was facing many years in prison. Did that make him tank any games like LeHype did when he found out Delonte was waxing his mamma's ass? Hell no because he is always focused. He was flown straight from the court house directly to a few playoff games and would drop 30 points on some clowns with ease. He didn't practice either because he didn't have time.

Fast forward to 2010. On his shooting hand he had broken fingers, a bum knee (which required draining in the playoffs and offseason surgery). Yet he still didn't miss any playoff games. He shot 6/24, but still notched 15 rebs and played top notch defense and clinched #5 (against the team that sent LeHype fishing for the summer) in a game 7. LeHype was taken out mentally because of Delonte and physically because of his "tickle me elbow" which did not require surgery. Just a media ploy to protect the so-called chosen one.

Until further notice, Kobe >>>> LeHype, tbh. :toast

[Giuseppe]

Lkr, with a blistering diatribe of unfathomable strength.

[dunkman]

Gasol Trade? Just listen to the Expert...
8j9nsqv9m6M

The owner of the Grizzlies said he thinks his GM Chris didn't call all the NBA teams. There are no doubts that deal was made bellow the table.

The Spurs could have easily made a better offer. Much better international talent (Scola and Splitter), more expiring contracts (Elson $3M, Horry $3.6M, Barry $5.5M) and more interesting rookie projects in (Mahinmi).

Fisher signing was suspicious too. Ariza for Cook was strange too.

It seems that Buss is highly dishonest person, Shaq made it clear he owed him some money.

[Giuseppe]

^Solly Cholly. You SOL.

[midnightpulp]

This is funny of you to bring this up. Kobe faced his wife on TV in front of millions of people worldwide and manned up to his mistakes. LeHype didn't have the balls to tell Cleveland that he was leaving. I think I read somewhere that LeHype had one of his cronies send them a text message literally minutes before the airing of "Le Decision." Real classy move there! :lol

Kobe is mentally strong. Even after the above fiasco with his wife, he had to deal with the Vail, Colorado faggots dragging his name in the mud and was facing many years in prison. Did that make him tank any games like LeHype did when he found out Delonte was waxing his mamma's ass? Hell no because he is always focused. He was flown straight from the court house directly to a few playoff games and would drop 30 points on some clowns with ease. He didn't practice either because he didn't have time.

Fast forward to 2010. On his shooting hand he had broken fingers, a bum knee (which required draining in the playoffs and offseason surgery). Yet he still didn't miss any playoff games. He shot 6/24, but still notched 15 rebs and played top notch defense and clinched #5 (against the team that sent LeHype fishing for the summer) in a game 7. LeHype was taken out mentally because of Delonte and physically because of his "tickle me elbow" which did not require surgery. Just a media ploy to protect the so-called chosen one.

Until further notice, Kobe >>>> LeHype, tbh. :toast

How much would you pay Kobe to let him ejaculate on your face?

5gs? 10? Maybe sell the house?

[Giuseppe]

Midget, projectin' his favorite fantasy.

tee, hee.

[LkrFan]

How much would you pay Kobe to let him ejaculate on your face?

5gs? 10? Maybe sell the house?
You are a faggot of EPIC proportions. I am not. Don't get your panties in a wad because I speak the truth. LeHype isn't as good as you pundits want him to be. He's proven nothing. Kobe OTOH is a legend and should be treated as such. Of course he won't be because you are a hater.

Not much to see here...AGAIN. :wakeup

[midnightpulp]

please love my Kobe :cry

Fixed.

[LkrFan]

Fixed.
You are one predictable little beotch. I knew you would write that shitty response. :lol

[cobbler]

MiamiHeat brings up some good points in this thread, TBH..

I never really looked at the Gasol trade as a collusion-type deal, but after reading some of his points, it makes you wonder..

A simple search proves what I have pointed out all along.

You are a hypocrite and a LIAR. Nothing new here.



It's an obvious statement..pretty much the only people that don't believe it's collusion are Laker fans and fans that don't want to believe that their favorite league has shit like this going on behind the scenes..

the NBA is entertainment, like TV and movies..this was a smart move on their part, and that's what happens when the golden rapist starts crying and asking out..

the sad part is that the media is too in love with the Lakers to ever question this move, and most of the people involved in the NBA wouldn't dare risk a major fine or upsetting Stern..



They gave him as much as reasonably possible..they couldn't give him less, keep him happy enough that he'll never talk about the collusion to anybody..


Of course it was collusion, no-brainer..
If you actually look back at what Laker fans were saying at the time, Gasol was actually the 3rd most important piece involved..the cap space was #1, which is understandable, but Crittenton was actually a lot more hyped than Gasol in this trade, which speaks volumes..

If you look at what non-Laker fans were saying, the majority had the obvious reaction, which was outrage..it was obviously a worked trade, also due to the fact that no other team had any chance to make an offer against the Lakers..obviously not a coincidence that this was a team that Jerry West was acquainted with..

The Zach Randolph trade was also met with huge outrage and ridicule from everybody..look at any forum when it happened, everybody thought it was ridiculous..luckily for Memphis, it worked out, but it certainly wasn't a smart move at the time..

If you believe this was all strategic and smartly planned, then Chris Wallace has to be one of the smartest men on the planet..this is a guy that was known as one of the worst GMs in NBA history, even before joining Memphis, he was ridiculed as the GM of the Celtics..

Then again, Laker fans were the same people that criticized Mitch Kupchak for a LONG time about his inability to surround OJ Bryant with a good supporting cast..yet Kupchak pulled off arguably the greatest trade of all-time, supposedly without collusion..how can this be?..Kobe was shitting on him for his poor skills as a GM just a few months earlier, how did he become a genius in such little time?..

Who knows..that's just how it is..it happened and it's over with..something you have to accept as an NBA fan, but it was obviously planned..

[BUMP]

Ha! uh oh, looks like HarlemHeat's gonna have to talk to the olllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll 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i saaaaaaaaaiiiiiiidddddddddddd

[LkrFan]

HarlemHo is a collosal failure. He should ban himself for a year, tbh.

[midnightpulp]

HarlemHo is a collosal failure. He should ban himself for a year, tbh.

Least he doesn't fail at spelling.

[HarlemHeat37]

Um, I've said it was collusion at least a 100 times, clearly it was a joke:lol..that was the whole point of the thread:lol..fucking Laker fans..

[LkrFan]

Least he doesn't fail at spelling.
Whatever. You get it. :lol

[Killakobe81]

The owner of the Grizzlies said he thinks his GM Chris didn't call all the NBA teams. There are no doubts that deal was made bellow the table.

The Spurs could have easily made a better offer. Much better international talent (Scola and Splitter), more expiring contracts (Elson $3M, Horry $3.6M, Barry $5.5M) and more interesting rookie projects in (Mahinmi).

Fisher signing was suspicious too. Ariza for Cook was strange too.

It seems that Buss is highly dishonest person, Shaq made it clear he owed him some money.

LOL Stephen A: "No disrespect, but Kwame is a bonafide scrub." how much more desrespectful can you get?