Advice needed..

[Gutter92]

So, as some of you know (because I detailed the experience here), about 3 weeks ago, I had a "run in" with a girl. I'm gonna skip to the important part, gonna leave out some details.

Today, she texted me telling me she is pregnant. I am 95% sure that the baby isn't mine since I used a condom, and she said she was on the pill (bullshit).

What should I do from here? Go with what she says? Ask her to take a paternity test (or w/e its called, to see if im the father)?

I'm definitely not ready to be a father. What should I do? Am I gonna have to tell my parents about this? Should I suggest abortion (it is confidential, right? I mean, if she goes to an abortion clinic, they won't ask many questions will they?)

Advice needed, serious advice only please, none of that "shoulda wrapped it up" or w/e, because I did wear a condom.

[koriwhat]

MAURY in 9 months!

[Gutter92]

MAURY in 9 months!

Sorry, what?

[koriwhat]

Sorry, what?

serious? hahaha!

[The Reckoning]

dont be silly wrap your willy

[coyotes_geek]

Just tell her you don't think the kid is yours, but if it comes out knowing linguistics that you'll be too busy at the Univ of Illinois to be a father.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Falcon punch, u master da skill yet?

[Cry Havoc]

Just put your hands on her shoulders and press really hard. If you do it quickly enough, the baby will pop out and she will need clearance from NASA.

[koriwhat]

Just put your hands on her shoulders and press really hard. If you do it quickly enough, the baby will pop out and she will need clearance from NASA.

or the baby will pop out, put its hands on gutter's shoulders and lift him, then gutter will do the same to the baby and eventually they'll both be in space. nasa will get involved soon after.

[MannyIsGod]

:rofl

[Wild Cobra]

Today, she texted me telling me she is pregnant. I am 95% sure that the baby isn't mine since I used a condom, and she said she was on the pill (bullshit).

Could be a perfect example of the false sense of security the schools tell kids about birth control.


What should I do from here? Go with what she says? Ask her to take a paternity test (or w/e its called, to see if im the father)?

Man up with whatever she decides.


I'm definitely not ready to be a father. What should I do? Am I gonna have to tell my parents about this? Should I suggest abortion (it is confidential, right? I mean, if she goes to an abortion clinic, they won't ask many questions will they?)

Don't suggest abortion. If you have a soul, it may haunt you for the rest of your life if she does.


Advice needed, serious advice only please, none of that "shoulda wrapped it up" or w/e, because I did wear a condom.

Like I said. Man up. If she chooses to have the child, get the paternity test. Pay child support, and try to be a good father. Don't ask for it now. I don't know about today, but in the past, a paternity test isn't completely safe for the unborn child.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[koriwhat]

WC taking the bait hahaha

[baseline bum]

Abortion is the only way to go. We can't take that 5% chance that you passed on DNA.

[ashbeeigh]

At least NORCAL was semi entertaining. Gutter is not.

[bus driver]

So, as some of you know (because I detailed the experience here), about 3 weeks ago, I had a "run in" with a girl. I'm gonna skip to the important part, gonna leave out some details.

Today, she texted me telling me she is pregnant. I am 95% sure that the baby isn't mine since I used a condom, and she said she was on the pill (bullshit).

What should I do from here? Go with what she says? Ask her to take a paternity test (or w/e its called, to see if im the father)?

I'm definitely not ready to be a father. What should I do? Am I gonna have to tell my parents about this? :lmao Should I suggest abortion (it is confidential, right? I mean, if she goes to an abortion clinic, they won't ask many questions will they?)

Advice needed, serious advice only please, none of that "shoulda wrapped it up" or w/e, because I did wear a condom.

[PakiDan]

or the baby will pop out, put its hands on gutter's shoulders and lift him, then gutter will do the same to the baby and eventually they'll both be in space. nasa will get involved soon after.

:rollin Hilarious!!

[Gutter92]

Abortion is the only way to go. We can't take that 5% chance that you passed on DNA.

Are you retarded? If its a boy it gets 100% of my DNA as only I can pass on the Y chromosome...a girl would get half, unless the mom gives both X's

[The Reckoning]

reaching...

[Stringer_Bell]

Advice needed, serious advice only please, none of that "shoulda wrapped it up" or w/e, because I did wear a condom.

Sure thing. Don't smoosh a bitch with a condom that you wouldn't smoosh without a condom. Always ask yourself, "If this bitch carries my seed, do I want her to give birth to it." If the answer is no, then don't fuck.

[Wild Cobra]

WC taking the bait hahaha
Whatever.

[Wild Cobra]

Abortion is the only way to go. We can't take that 5% chance that you passed on DNA.
Might be the best answer!

[Wild Cobra]

Sure thing. Don't smoosh a bitch with a condom that you wouldn't smoosh without a condom. Always ask yourself, "If this bitch carries my seed, do I want her to give birth to it." If the answer is no, then don't fuck.
Very sound advice.

[Gutter92]

Sure thing. Don't smoosh a bitch with a condom that you wouldn't smoosh without a condom. Always ask yourself, "If this bitch carries my seed, do I want her to give birth to it." If the answer is no, then don't fuck.

If you remember, I said I liked this girl, she was really nice and everything. I just didn't expect her to end up pregnant, which is why I wore a condom. Turns out she was either lying about being on the pill (is it still possible to get pregnant while using the pill? like a low % chance?) or it isn't mine.

[Fpoonsie]

Abortion is the only way to go. We can't take that 5% chance that you passed on DNA.

:rollin

[z0sa]

Abortion is the only way to go. We can't take that 5% chance that you passed on DNA.

BB, bringing the lulz

[Wild Cobra]

is it still possible to get pregnant while using the pill? like a low % chance?) or it isn't mine.
Yes, the pill is not 100%, and varies with women. Not all women have the same natural hormone levels to begin with, or reaction to hormones in releasing eggs.

There is always a chance she fucked someone else. If the timings right, I think you can expect to pay child support for the next 19+ years.

[The Reckoning]

deny deny deny deny deny deny deny.

as long as nobody knows yall were together...keep denying until the day you die.

[Gutter92]

Yes, the pill is not 100%, and varies with women. Not all women have the same natural hormone levels to begin with, or reaction to hormones in releasing eggs.

There is always a chance she fucked someone else. If the timings right, I think you can expect to pay child support for the next 19+ years.

How can I dispute this? Ask for a DNA test? Also wtf 19+ years? I thought you only pay til 18th bday..

If I leave the state or country, do I still have to pay it? This can't be my child...I wore a condom AND she was on the pill...

[Gutter92]

deny deny deny deny deny deny deny.

as long as nobody knows yall were together...keep denying until the day you die.


she knows..and I know...and that would be immoral...

[The Reckoning]

deny deny deny deny

i did not not not do thet

deny deny deny deny

[Sisk]

Sure thing. Don't smoosh a bitch with a condom that you wouldn't smoosh without a condom.

"If you can't eat it, don't fuck it."

[Wild Cobra]

How can I dispute this? Ask for a DNA test? Also wtf 19+ years? I thought you only pay til 18th bday..

If I leave the state or country, do I still have to pay it? This can't be my child...I wore a condom AND she was on the pill...
I won't pretend to know the state by state law, but as far as I know, you can be liable for her medical while pregnant also. Then if the child goes to college, you can be accountable for that too.

Birth control is not 100%. You could be one of the lottery winners of an unplanned pregnancy.

Not for everyone, but if she has the child, and if the child is yours, you may want to consider making a life with her. Think of the child, and don't make it grow up without both parents around. Be a man.

[Leetonidas]

Dude, if she was "on the pill" AND you used a condom, there's like a .000005% chance of it happening. I wouldn't believe her, she's probably trying to sucker a dude with a future into being her baby daddy. If you used a condom and it did not break or anything, chances are that you're good.

[The Reckoning]

looks like your dreams of writing a grammatically correct sentence are gone...

only thing youll be writing now are child support checks.

unless you deny deny deny

[CuckingFunt]

You're probably saved by the fact that this is an obvious troll job and almost certainly untrue.

[Gutter92]

You're probably saved by the fact that this is an obvious troll job and almost certainly untrue.


I wish it was; though all of the previous posts (college app, science thingy, voting one (to an extent; that one was started to get someone to dumb down the "basics" of what I would be voting for, as I don't follow politics much but I figured I'd vote now that I'm 18), except the "strapon story" were trolls. That one was not a "troll", nor is this one. I'm honestly at a loss on what to do. I talked with a few friends and my brother, they suggested to look at abortion as an option (if it's even mine), or a DNA test (can you do that before the child is born?)

[koriwhat]

you can't get your hand pregnant no matter how hard you try... calm down!

[AussieFanKurt]

nice troll attempt

[CuckingFunt]

I wish it was; though all of the previous posts (college app, science thingy, voting one (to an extent; that one was started to get someone to dumb down the "basics" of what I would be voting for, as I don't follow politics much but I figured I'd vote now that I'm 18), except the "strapon story" were trolls. That one was not a "troll", nor is this one. I'm honestly at a loss on what to do. I talked with a few friends and my brother, they suggested to look at abortion as an option (if it's even mine), or a DNA test (can you do that before the child is born?)

I still don't believe a word of this, but...

Considering you don't have a fetus inside of your uterus, you're not really in the position to "look at abortion." That's her decision.

If you have real concerns about the kid being yours, talk to the girl, find out whether or not she wants to have the baby, and let her know you want a paternity test as soon as it's medically possible to do so. And if you can't have an adult conversation with the person who is potentially carrying your child, then you probably shouldn't be engaging in activities that may result in the creation of another life.

[koriwhat]

so what are you gonna name the kid? Bastard???

[Gutter92]

I still don't believe a word of this, but...

Considering you don't have a fetus inside of your uterus, you're not really in the position to "look at abortion." That's her decision.

If you have real concerns about the kid being yours, talk to the girl, find out whether or not she wants to have the baby, and let her know you want a paternity test as soon as it's medically possible to do so. And if you can't have an adult conversation with the person who is potentially carrying your child, then you probably shouldn't be engaging in activities that may result in the creation of another life.

How do I ask her for a paternity test without making it seem like I think she's a slut who sleeps around? Do you know when its medically possible to check if I am the father? Also, if it turns out I am the father, am I legally obliged to pay child support, or does she have to seek it? Her family is pretty well off, so would I still be paying child support?

[koriwhat]

How do I ask her for a paternity test without making it seem like I think she's a slut who sleeps around? Do you know when its medically possible to check if I am the father? Also, if it turns out I am the father, am I legally obliged to pay child support, or does she have to seek it? Her family is pretty well off, so would I still be paying child support?

first off, hahahahahaha!

second, you don't want to make a ho look like a ho? hahahahaha!

and third, say goodbye to your 360, to your ps3, to your life. hahahahahaha!

[CuckingFunt]

How do I ask her for a paternity test without making it seem like I think she's a slut who sleeps around?

You can't, really. She'll probably get pissed off at you. I would. But you're apparently man enough to have sex with slutty girls you don't know and/or trust very well, so you should be able to handle being disliked.

[Leetonidas]

Why would this be a troll thread? If it is it's an awful troll attempt, it's not really funny. It's just kinda sad for the poor fella.

[CuckingFunt]

Why would this be a troll thread?

Because the vast majority of his other threads have been admitted troll jobs. Boy who cried wolf syndrome.

[Gutter92]

You can't, really. She'll probably get pissed off at you. I would. But you're apparently man enough to have sex with slutty girls you don't know and/or trust very well, so you should be able to handle being disliked.

Thats the thing though, I don't know for sure if she was sleeping around or not. There is a possibility she just lied about the birth control, or that somehow, despite a condom AND birth control, she still got pregnant.

[CuckingFunt]

Thats the thing though, I don't know for sure if she was sleeping around or not. There is a possibility she just lied about the birth control, or that somehow, despite a condom AND birth control, she still got pregnant.


And if you can't have an adult conversation with the person who is potentially carrying your child, then you probably shouldn't be engaging in activities that may result in the creation of another life.

[Stringer_Bell]

If you remember, I said I liked this girl, she was really nice and everything. I just didn't expect her to end up pregnant, which is why I wore a condom. Turns out she was either lying about being on the pill (is it still possible to get pregnant while using the pill? like a low % chance?) or it isn't mine.

I can't find that thread, man. It was probably part of one of the "troll" threads, cuz I sure hope this isn't the chick from the strap-on thread.

But yea, girls still get pregnant while on the pill. Considering if you banged once and she only now called to tell you she's pregnant, it's probably someone else's kid gestating in that uterus.

[Gutter92]

Nah we've been texting since that time, and yes it was the same girl. It wasn't a one night stand either, we had sex two different times (both times with a condom), but I wouldn't call her a "girlfriend" or anything..

[Leetonidas]

Do you have a small penis? It's possible that the semen only had to fall a small distance and oozed out of the bottom of the condom due to it being loose tbh.

Also, inb4 "you would know"

[Gutter92]

Do you have a small penis? It's possible that the semen only had to fall a small distance and oozed out of the bottom of the condom due to it being loose tbh.

Also, inb4 "you would know"

~ 4 1/2, dunno if you'd call that small

[ohmwrecker]

Just do the opposite of what Wild Cobra suggests and you'll be fine.

[Wild Cobra]

so what are you gonna name the kid? Bastard???
By the sounds of things, Bastard Jr.

[Wild Cobra]

Thats the thing though, I don't know for sure if she was sleeping around or not. There is a possibility she just lied about the birth control, or that somehow, despite a condom AND birth control, she still got pregnant.
Welcome to the hard facts of life.

Time to man up one way or another, huh...

[Wild Cobra]

Nah we've been texting since that time, and yes it was the same girl. It wasn't a one night stand either, we had sex two different times (both times with a condom), but I wouldn't call her a "girlfriend" or anything..
Want the fun, but don't want to pay the price right?

You did know that birth control is not 100%, right?

What did the schools teach you anyway? Did they lie to you, and tell you it would be OK?

[ohmwrecker]

Want the fun, but don't want to pay the price right?

You did know that birth control is not 100%, right?

What did the schools teach you anyway? Did they lie to you, and tell you it would be OK?

Don't you have a tea party to go to?

[Wild Cobra]

Don't you have a tea party to go to?
Don't you have a bugger picking party to go to?

That's what your avatars finger looks like. Comparing buggers.

[Gutter92]

Don't you have a bugger picking party to go to?

That's what your avatars finger looks like. Comparing buggers.

boogers*


and to your point...so because she is carrying the child she decides if she aborts it or not? don't i have rights if i am actually the father?

[ohmwrecker]

Bugger off.

[Wild Cobra]

boogers*
I know, but like I use domonrat, etc. I used a little wordplay... Buggery... Know what that is, right?

and to your point...so because she is carrying the child she decides if she aborts it or not? don't i have rights if i am actually the father?
Not according to law. The baby is physically part of her until born. You were only the sperm doner, and future money tree. You have no say in the matter.

[Gutter92]

Not according to law. The baby is physically part of her until born. You were only the sperm doner, and future money tree. You have no say in the matter.
...What the hell? What if I'm not ready to be a father? Do I still pay child support if I don't have a job? What if I move to a different state?

[Wild Cobra]

...What the hell? What if I'm not ready to be a father? Do I still pay child support if I don't have a job? What if I move to a different state?
Like I said, welcome to the hard facts of life.

If you cannot be a father, you should not participate in an activity that may make you one. Simple responsibility.

Time to grow up...

[Gutter92]

Like I said, welcome to the hard facts of life.

If you cannot be a father, you should not participate in an activity that may make you one. Simple responsibility.

Time to grow up...

What is the morning after pill? I remember seeing commercials way back...i dont know if that can help now?

[Wild Cobra]

What is the morning after pill? I remember seeing commercials way back...i dont know if that can help now?
It's called the Morning After pill for a reason. It is only effective for maybe 36 or so hours after sex I think. Not days, or weeks.

[Wild Cobra]

What is the morning after pill? I remember seeing commercials way back...i dont know if that can help now?
Face it. You are screwed. you can live your life that way, or attempt to be a good father. This is a crossroad in your life. I suggest you choose well.

[Leetonidas]

~ 4 1/2, dunno if you'd call that small

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Dis nigga trollin

[Gutter92]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Dis nigga trollin

...really? its average size, lets hear about yours mr. bigshot...


i was honest, now you be honest too...none of that "9 inch" bullshit.

[Wild Cobra]

...really? its average size, lets hear about yours mr. bigshot...


i was honest, now you be honest too...none of that "9 inch" bullshit.
My understanding is about 6" is average.

[The Reckoning]

My understanding is about 6" is average.


keep telling yourself that

[Wild Cobra]

keep telling yourself that
LOL...

Believe as you wish. I know you won't believe mine is almost 8". I simply don't care, and I will never prove it to you.

Besides, the chicks dig it.

[Wild Cobra]

From wiki:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Penis_frequency.svg/790px-Penis_frequency.svg.png

[koriwhat]

what a bunch of fags in here... what happened to this shitty thread?

[Ignignokt]

what a bunch of fags in here... what happened to this shitty thread?

[The Reckoning]

From wiki:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Penis_frequency.svg/790px-Penis_frequency.svg.png





this is wayyy off id be a right skewed oulier like no other (.0003 percent) or whatever, and i know theres more black people than that.

[lint]

MAURY in 9 months!

:lmao Just do like most men and just ignore it and move on.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

This guy is such a troll, all of his threads are total bullshit

[lint]

This guy is such a troll, all of his threads are total bullshit

:lmao you got that right

[koriwhat]

he's not even a good troll either... pretty damn weak.

[Gutter92]

This guy is such a troll, all of his threads are total bullshit

GTFO. Though a few of them are jokes, this one is not. I came here wondering what to do in this case because I cannot have my parents find out. What's the earliest a woman can have an abortion? I do not want this child. I hope she doesn't either. I haven't texted her back since she told me.

[z0sa]

I haven't texted her back since she told me.

That'll show her!

[koriwhat]

"You ARE the father!"

[xellos88330]

Was it your condom or one she gave you?

[Spurminator]

If the baby really isn't yours, if you fuck her again it will cancel out the baby because the uterus will get confused.

[Sisk]

this is wayyy off id be a right skewed oulier like no other (.0003 percent) or whatever, and i know theres more black people than that.

tbh you accusing cubansucks is just weird to me now

imo

[Gutter92]

Was it your condom or one she gave you?

One was hers, one was mine which we used the second time.

[Gutter92]

"You ARE the father!"

? Quote from what?

[Smart Ass]

JhlWddAXSRA

[Gutter92]

Update...just got a text asking what I think she should do...is this like a "TRAP question, or does she truly want to know...any of the women here on ST ever been in this situation? Judyn? Mrs Maalox?

Do I text her back , or ignore it like the other 2 texts

[MANGINA]

Update...just got a text asking what I think she should do...is this like a "TRAP question, or does she truly want to know...any of the women here on ST ever been in this situation? Judyn? Mrs Maalox?

Do I text her back , or ignore it like the other 2 texts

Damn it already!! Man up and make a decision and ask for some balls while you are at it.

[Gutter92]

Damn it already!! Man up and make a decision and ask for some balls while you are at it.

I don't know what to do, thats why I'm here for advice...on one hand, I don't want to abort the child because I might regret it later on in life, but on the other hand, I'm not ready to be a father. Hell, I don't even have a job...

[Summers]

Do not ignore her. It's cowardly and rude. If you think you're in a panic, imagine what she's going through. She's asking what you think because she is trying to decide if you're going to handle this situation like a man and help her take care of your child (if she has it). You figured out how to fuck her--you can figure out how to talk to her. Just be honest.

[Gutter92]

She's asking what you think because she is trying to decide if you're going to handle this situation like a man and help her take care of your child (if she has it) .

...so it IS a trap question? what the fuck, why not just ask the god damn question she wants to...and I'm the coward?

Edit. What I mean is...instead of asking "Will you be around if I have the baby", she's asking "What do you think I should do", and if I answer "have an abortion", that answers the question she should be asking in the first place...

GOD DAMNIT WOMEN.

[Wild Cobra]

this is wayyy off id be a right skewed oulier like no other (.0003 percent) or whatever, and i know theres more black people than that.
Actually, there were other graphs too. Oriental average was 4.5" and black average something like 7". That was an all inclusive average, and in the first world nations, black make up what? About 10% of the population?

[xellos88330]

One was hers, one was mine which we used the second time.

She probably used a needle on the condom she gave you. Congratulations! You're going to be a daddy!

Get a PT quick as shit though. A lawyer doesn't hurt either.

If anything, maybe Maury can help. :toast

[Wild Cobra]

Damn it already!! Man up and make a decision and ask for some balls while you are at it.
No shit. Without being specific, let her know you will not take care of the child if it isn't yours. Find a way to convey that. If it is your child, you will have no choice by law, but after the child is born, you can demand a paternity test if she claims child support against you.

[Wild Cobra]

...so it IS a trap question...
Not necessarily by intent. Life sucks at times.

[Gutter92]

No shit. Without being specific, let her know you will not take care of the child if it isn't yours. Find a way to convey that. If it is your child, you will have no choice by law, but after the child is born, you can demand a paternity test if she claims child support against you.

So it would be her choice? It doesn't automatically get taken out of my paycheck when I get a job?

[MANGINA]

I don't know what to do, thats why I'm here for advice...on one hand, I don't want to abort the child because I might regret it later on in life, but on the other hand, I'm not ready to be a father. Hell, I don't even have a job...

What you need to do is stop having sex when you have no desire to be a father but a real man takes care of his own. Maybe that is the reason why you don't know what to do.

[Gutter92]

What you need to do is stop having sex when you have no desire to be a father but a real man takes care of his own. Maybe that is the reason why you don't know what to do.

So uh, what are condoms for then, if they're not for sex without wanting to have a baby...combined with birth control(supposedly).

[Wild Cobra]

So it would be her choice? It doesn't automatically get taken out of my paycheck when I get a job?
She has to make a claim against you as the father unless you pay her without question. If you question paternity, she must prove it.

[Wild Cobra]

So uh, what are condoms for then, if they're not for sex without wanting to have a baby...combined with birth control(supposedly).
Condoms reduce risk. Not eliminate it. If you want no chance of having a child, don't have sex, or get a vasectomy.

[Wild Cobra]

Maybe subtle isn't needed. Just tell her that if your name is to appear on the birth certificate, you will require a paternity test first. If she gets upset at you, point out the two of you don't really know each other will enough to be 100% certain she didn't have sex with someone else.

Don't let your name get placed there if you aren't the father. That could pose legal problems. Don't know about your state, but it does in some.

[Gutter92]

Condoms reduce risk. Not eliminate it. If you want no chance of having a child, don't have sex, or get a vasectomy.

Yea but that's the point, should I have to be abstinence or get a vesectomy to have sex if I'm not ready to be a father? She wasn't ready to be a mother either I'm guessing, why didn't she get her tubes tied? We are both equally responsible, therefore, we should both get an equal right in deciding if the child will be aborted, put up for adoption, etc.

I live in Illinois, no idea what the law is here.

[dallaskd's grandma]

most likely the kid isn't yours..get a paternity test before you do anything. and if it is yours, you'll have to help her with the kid as much as possible AND go to school. welcome to adult life, sometimes it sucks

[easjer]

I think this is bullshit, but because I'm sure there are people reading this who could use accurate information . . .

Condoms are not 100%. In fact, the method itself (if used perfectly) is only about 97% accurate (in preventing conception). The user rate is much lower - around 80%. Meaning that the average user has a 20% chance of conception while using condoms because of botching the use of it in a way that can reduce efficacy. This could include using inappropriately sized condoms, putting on or taking off condoms incorrectly, condom breakage, leaking, using non-condom-friendly lubricants, using expired condoms, etc.

Hormonal birth control, when used correctly (and when dosed correctly) is 99% effective in preventing conception. But there are a variety of ways in which the efficacy can be lowered - not taking it at the same time everyday, having the wrong dosage, etc. And some women simply don't respond well to it. eta - Hormonal birth control works primarily by preventing ovulation by an artificial regulation of the hormones involved in the menstrual cycle (no egg, nothing to fertilize). Secondarily, it can prevent ovulation by thickening cervical fluid (making it harder for sperm to travel into/through the cervix and making it less nourishing for sperm, so they die more quickly), and by preventing a thickening of the uterine lining - the lining has to be a minimum thickness for implantation to occur and an embryo to 'stick.'

Together, the risks of pregnancy are pretty low, particularly when you factor in the short amount of time in the menstrual cycle during which pregnancy can be achieved. Nevertheless, anytime intercourse takes place, there is a chance of pregnancy.

And no, you should be willing to accept that if you are willing to have sex.

[Gutter92]

using expired condoms, etc.


eh...how long can condoms stay "valid" or w/e? I've had this one saved up for a few years...

[easjer]

Continuing on -

The earliest time an abortion is available is generally 6 weeks from the last menstrual period, or 4 weeks gestation. That is the point that a pregnancy is easily detectable on ultrasound (it can be before, but it's harder), and that is important for performing a safe d&c. They want to be certain the pregnancy is located in the uterus and is not ectopic (requiring different treatment), and be certain they remove all the products of conception during the procedure.

It is easiest (in terms of law and the health of the woman) to get an abortion in the first trimester - ie, before 12-14 pregnant (10-12 weeks gestation). An abortion clinic abides by HIPPA regulations and will be very discreet. It's worth noting that insurance often does not cover the cost of the procedure (being considered elective), and so payment can be an issue.

The father has no legal say in the disposition of the pregnancy (to be continued or not) because it is a physical part of the mother, and has significant impact on multiple facets of their lives - health, well-being, future fertility, work, etc.

A fetal paternity test is not the norm, and could not be done until much later in the pregnancy with any safety, because of the necessity of piercing the amniotic sac to draw out cells. If an amniocentesis is done, paternity may be available, but that is not a procedure often done electively (usually it's done in cases where genetics are a concern).

[easjer]

eh...how long can condoms stay "valid" or w/e? I've had this one saved up for a few years...

I believe (without Google) that the shelf-life is usually 2 years, but they do come with expiration dates printed on them. Condoms are more prone to breaking after their expiry.

[Gutter92]

I believe (without Google) that the shelf-life is usually 2 years, but they do come with expiration dates printed on them. Condoms are more prone to breaking after their expiry.

How would the condom break? Would it break like...very visibly? Or would it break, as in a small hole at the top or something?

[easjer]

Finally - as to what you or she or anyone in this situation should do:

Consider talking to a counselor. Particularly when confused. There are a number of factors to be considered and there are a number of options, including adoption (additionally, adoptive couples may pay for some of her expenses or medical costs).

A counselor will be able to help you/her explore a lot of options and feelings surrounding them and really help to ensure that the best decision is made for everyone. If she's newly pregnant (sounds like about 5 weeks), then there is time to think things through.

[easjer]

How would the condom break? Would it break like...very visibly? Or would it break, as in a small hole at the top or something?

Usually it's noticeable when a condom breaks. But condoms can have microscopic holes or fractures that wouldn't be noticeable (that's why they have less than a 100% method success rate), and as they say, it only takes 1 sperm to fertilize an ovum. That's how the joke about poking a needle through the condom works . . .

The liklihood of microscopic holes or fractures is increased by age and can be increased by inappropriate handling (like, carrying around in a wallet, where it could be folded, etc).

[Wild Cobra]

Yea but that's the point, should I have to be abstinence or get a vesectomy to have sex if I'm not ready to be a father? She wasn't ready to be a mother either I'm guessing, why didn't she get her tubes tied? We are both equally responsible, therefore, we should both get an equal right in deciding if the child will be aborted, put up for adoption, etc.

I live in Illinois, no idea what the law is here.
Learn the law in this regard, maybe talk to a public family planning agency yourself to get the facts. If you both are not ready, I would suggest adoption. their are plenty of families who want to adopt a baby that cannot have their own children. All these children are wanted, and most live a better life than you can probably provide.

As for thinking you actually had safe sex? Is that what you were taught in school?

[easjer]

Oh, a final word on paternity testing and child support.

If you created the child, you are legally responsible for it. How much support they receive from you depends on a variety of factors, often determined by the court, and changing based on what you make, the age of the child, the amount of support or visitation. Whether or not you want to be a father is secondary to the fact of being a father. If she chooses to have the child, then you need to help support it. The wealth of her parents is not relevant, as they are not responsible for the support of her/your child.

In some states, there may be an option to sever parental rights, which may end child support. But that's the sort of thing that should be considered long and hard. And depends, as I said, on the states involved.

[Wild Cobra]

In some states, there may be an option to sever parental rights, which may end child support. But that's the sort of thing that should be considered long and hard. And depends, as I said, on the states involved.
That is not an option in my state. To add, some states will deem you the legal father even if you are not, if you are on the birth certificate, or otherwise ever treat the child as yours.

Find out your state laws and paternity. As soon as practical.

[easjer]

What is the morning after pill? I remember seeing commercials way back...i dont know if that can help now?

It's a super concentrated dose of estrogen, designed to disrupt the menstrual cycle and delay/prevent ovulation if it has not already occurred.

It has to be taken within a certain timeframe to be effective.

More information on Plan B (the most well known/name brand version of the morning after pill) can be found http://www.planbonestep.com/plan-b-faq.aspx ( "here").

[easjer]

Are you retarded? If its a boy it gets 100% of my DNA as only I can pass on the Y chromosome...a girl would get half, unless the mom gives both X's

Apart from this being the biggest indicator this was bullshit, I can't leave it alone, in case some poor clueless fuck reads this and thinks it's true.

Gametes (sex cells) only carry 23 chromosomes, or half a pair. Each parent contributes exactly 50% of the DNA to the child, one half of each pair of chromosomes. While it is true that the woman always contributes an X chromosome for the sex determination, and the man's is a toss up between X and Y, and is therefore ultimately 100% responsible for the sex determination, it is not true that a boy gets 100% of your DNA.

That would make a son your clone. Which . . . isn't how it works. I'd recommend that you take Biology at some point. And pay attention.

[Gutter92]

Apart from this being the biggest indicator this was bullshit, I can't leave it alone, in case some poor clueless fuck reads this and thinks it's true.

Gametes (sex cells) only carry 23 chromosomes, or half a pair. Each parent contributes exactly 50% of the DNA to the child, one half of each pair of chromosomes. While it is true that the woman always contributes an X chromosome for the sex determination, and the man's is a toss up between X and Y, and is therefore ultimately 100% responsible for the sex determination, it is not true that a boy gets 100% of your DNA.

That would make a son your clone. Which . . . isn't how it works. I'd recommend that you take Biology at some point. And pay attention.

I am in Bio 101, and the way I understood it, ONLY the man can donate the Y chromosome. Therefore, it would have to be my DNA that goes to the son for SURE (Y) chromosome, and 50% chance of my X going to him too right?

[Wild Cobra]

I am in Bio 101, and the way I understood it, ONLY the man can donate the Y chromosome. Therefore, it would have to be my DNA that goes to the son for SURE (Y) chromosome, and 50% chance of my X going to him too right?
If boys received 100% of their fathers DNA, then they would look 100% like their father, end effectively be a clone, or like an identical twin.

Mitochondrial DNA is a marker carried on that comes from the mother. That's how they were able to trace "Eve." I read something about a marker carried on by males lines, but I forget what it was. However, your assessment is wrong about 100%. No where close.

[easjer]

As I said, the sex is determined by whichever half of the chromosomal pair the sperm is carrying, X or Y. So yes, the male ultimately determines the sex, as the woman always contributes an X chromosome.

But that is merely the sex determination, not 100% of the DNA make-up of the child.

Again, each gamete contains one half of the chromosomal pairs. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, the chromosomes form the complete set of 46 and the cell is completed and begins replicating.

There are roughly 50% odds of the sperm that fertilizes the egg carrying an X chromosome or a Y chromosome (depending on a variety of factors, but in general, 50% is good enough). Your son will never receive an X chromosome from you, only the Y chromosome (which determines his sex as male). Your daughter will receive and X from you and an X from her mother (determining her sex as female).

Honest to God, I learned this back in middle school. You're in college and haven't got it straight yet?

Right. Troll. Right. SMH, to quote DeJuan Blair.

[Wild Cobra]

As I said, the sex is determined by whichever half of the chromosomal pair the sperm is carrying, X or Y. So yes, the male ultimately determines the sex, as the woman always contributes an X chromosome.

But that is merely the sex determination, not 100% of the DNA make-up of the child.

Again, each gamete contains one half of the chromosomal pairs. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, the chromosomes form the complete set of 46 and the cell is completed and begins replicating.

There are roughly 50% odds of the sperm that fertilizes the egg carrying an X chromosome or a Y chromosome (depending on a variety of factors, but in general, 50% is good enough). Your son will never receive an X chromosome from you, only the Y chromosome (which determines his sex as male). Your daughter will receive and X from you and an X from her mother (determining her sex as female).

Honest to God, I learned this back in middle school. You're in college and haven't got it straight yet?

Right. Troll. Right. SMH, to quote DeJuan Blair.
The schools have takem a serious dive over the years since the Department of Education was created. A high school degree today is probably equal to a 7th grade education in the 70's.

[easjer]

The schools have takem a serious dive over the years since the Department of Education was created. A high school degree today is probably equal to a 7th grade education in the 70's.

While I don't disagree, I do feel the need to point out that I'm not that old at 30. . . :lol

[Wild Cobra]

While I don't disagree, I do feel the need to point out that I'm not that old at 30. . . :lol
So you graduated about '98. Your education level was probably comparable to a 9th or 10th grade level of the 70's.

Keep in mind, I'm not blaming anyone in the system. I'm blaming the system. Why do you think there is such a push for private schooling, home schooling, and charter schools like never before?

[Gutter92]

As I said, the sex is determined by whichever half of the chromosomal pair the sperm is carrying, X or Y. So yes, the male ultimately determines the sex, as the woman always contributes an X chromosome.

But that is merely the sex determination, not 100% of the DNA make-up of the child.

Again, each gamete contains one half of the chromosomal pairs. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, the chromosomes form the complete set of 46 and the cell is completed and begins replicating.

There are roughly 50% odds of the sperm that fertilizes the egg carrying an X chromosome or a Y chromosome (depending on a variety of factors, but in general, 50% is good enough). Your son will never receive an X chromosome from you, only the Y chromosome (which determines his sex as male). Your daughter will receive and X from you and an X from her mother (determining her sex as female).

Honest to God, I learned this back in middle school. You're in college and haven't got it straight yet?

Right. Troll. Right. SMH, to quote DeJuan Blair.

If it worked that way, how do Punnet Squares work in figuring out what traits a child will have? Since it can be a mixture of a trait that neither parent has...

[easjer]

If it worked that way, how do Punnet Squares work in figuring out what traits a child will have? Since it can be a mixture of a trait that neither parent has...

They DO have the trait, but that doesn't necessarily mean they display the trait. That's where recessive and dominant genes come in.

Two brown eyed people can produce blue eyed children, if they both carry the recessive gene for blue eyes. Meaning that when they were conceived, the dna they received from one parent was for blue eyes, and the dna received from the other was brown eyes. Because brown is a dominant gene, they display brown eyes. But they carry the gene for blue eyes as well. When the dna is split in the gametes, the sperm/egg cell will only take one of those genes - brown or blue. If it takes the blue one and the other gamete contains a recessive blue gene, then the child displays blue eyes, despite both parents displaying brown eyes.

That's how.

That is, of course, a simplification of the concept. In reality, genes can be of a dominance spectrum. If there is no strict dominant or purely recessive match, things like eye color or hair color are often a blending of the shades that parents display.

The point, though, remains. The biological parents do carry the traits, which may be passed on to their children regardless of whether or not they display the traits.

[easjer]

So you graduated about '98. Your education level was probably comparable to a 9th or 10th grade level of the 70's.

Keep in mind, I'm not blaming anyone in the system. I'm blaming the system. Why do you think there is such a push for private schooling, home schooling, and charter schools like never before?

Yes, 1998.

I think it was closer to 11th grade, but that's as a result of honors/AP/dual enrollment courses and a love of reading instilled in me at a young age.

My parents were both public school teachers and I work in higher education. I understand how the school systems are failing, believe me.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, 1998.

I think it was closer to 11th grade, but that's as a result of honors/AP/dual enrollment courses and a love of reading instilled in me at a young age.

My parents were both public school teachers and I work in higher education. I understand how the school systems are failing, believe me.
I graduated in the 70's. My kids both went to one of the best school districts in the state, Centennial, but is was severely lacking from my schooling.

[Gutter92]

I graduated in the 70's. My kids both went to one of the best school districts in the state, Centennial, but is was severely lacking from my schooling.

Nice ninja edit! :D

[Wild Cobra]

Nice ninja edit! :D
You mean removing the repeat?

[Gutter92]

They DO have the trait, but that doesn't necessarily mean they display the trait. That's where recessive and dominant genes come in.

Two brown eyed people can produce blue eyed children, if they both carry the recessive gene for blue eyes. Meaning that when they were conceived, the dna they received from one parent was for blue eyes, and the dna received from the other was brown eyes. Because brown is a dominant gene, they display brown eyes. But they carry the gene for blue eyes as well. When the dna is split in the gametes, the sperm/egg cell will only take one of those genes - brown or blue. If it takes the blue one and the other gamete contains a recessive blue gene, then the child displays blue eyes, despite both parents displaying brown eyes.

That's how.

That is, of course, a simplification of the concept. In reality, genes can be of a dominance spectrum. If there is no strict dominant or purely recessive match, things like eye color or hair color are often a blending of the shades that parents display.

The point, though, remains. The biological parents do carry the traits, which may be passed on to their children regardless of whether or not they display the traits.

Wouldn't it work both ways then? If the baby has brown eyes, and the mother has blue eyes, the baby had to have gotten all of that trait from the father, no?

[Gutter92]

You mean removing the repeat?

Yea haha :lol It didn't show that you edited, but I was pretty sure u did hehe

[Wild Cobra]

Wouldn't it work both ways then? If the baby has brown eyes, and the mother has blue eyes, the baby had to have gotten all of that trait from the father, no?
In this case, the mother contributes a blue gene, the father a brown. The results are green or brown. There are more than one gene that determines eye color. My mother had brown eyes, my father blue. I have green (olive) eyes. Sometimes my body chemistry makes them a look yellow-green.

[Gutter92]

In this case, the mother contributes a blue gene, the father a brown. The results are green or brown. There are more than one gene that determines eye color. My mother had brown eyes, my father blue. I have green (olive) eyes. Sometimes my body chemistry makes them a look yellow-green.

Wait, how did you end up with green eyes? That can't be co-dominance, since blue and brown don't mix to make green, so is it incomplete dominance or something?

[easjer]

Wouldn't it work both ways then? If the baby has brown eyes, and the mother has blue eyes, the baby had to have gotten all of that trait from the father, no?

Nope.

It's really pretty simple.

Half the DNA comes from the 23 chromosomes contributed by the mother.

Half the DNA comes from the 23 chromosomes contributed by the father.

Period.

Each sex cell (each sperm, each egg) contain half a set of chromosomes. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, the halves combine forming one new set of completely unique DNA, which is then replicated, and eventually goes from a tiny ball of cells into a baby.

Some traits are more dominant than others - which is why, say, both my brother and I inherited my mother's eyes (which she inherited from her mother). Some are less so - which is why my husband and one brother are blonde while everyone else in his family is brunette.

There is relational information (which is how paternity is determined, and why family units share similar DNA), but it always works out the same way. Half the DNA comes from mom, half comes from dad.

And I'm done explaining this shit to a troll. I'm all for good information being put out there, but damn. I know better than this. Tip of the hat for suckering me in, and a pleasant evening to all.

[DJ Mbenga]

call Maury. if she is a slut you are likely set

[Gutter92]

Nope.

It's really pretty simple.

Half the DNA comes from the 23 chromosomes contributed by the mother.

Half the DNA comes from the 23 chromosomes contributed by the father.

Period.

Each sex cell (each sperm, each egg) contain half a set of chromosomes. When the sperm fertilizes the egg, the halves combine forming one new set of completely unique DNA, which is then replicated, and eventually goes from a tiny ball of cells into a baby.

Some traits are more dominant than others - which is why, say, both my brother and I inherited my mother's eyes (which she inherited from her mother). Some are less so - which is why my husband and one brother are blonde while everyone else in his family is brunette.

There is relational information (which is how paternity is determined, and why family units share similar DNA), but it always works out the same way. Half the DNA comes from mom, half comes from dad.

And I'm done explaining this shit to a troll. I'm all for good information being put out there, but damn. I know better than this. Tip of the hat for suckering me in, and a pleasant evening to all.

One thing about that does not make sense...22 cells are "regular cells", and the 23rd is a sex cell (sperm or egg). How can a man donate a sperm cell for his baby...if its a girl? Girls cannot produce sperm cells

[easjer]

One thing about that does not make sense...22 cells are "regular cells", and the 23rd is a sex cell (sperm or egg). How can a man donate a sperm cell for his baby...if its a girl? Girls cannot produce sperm cells

If you managed to look up that much info, I'm confident you can find the rest.

:rolleyes

[Gutter92]

If you managed to look up that much info, I'm confident you can find the rest.

:rolleyes

Thats in my textbook, we studied Meiosis a few weeks ago

[The Reckoning]

i cant believe Gutter is able to keep people responding to his threads even though they all blatantly end in a troll job. even worse, most of it is borrowed material.

wtf is going on?!

[Gutter92]

i cant believe Gutter is able to keep people responding to his threads even though they all blatantly end in a troll job. even worse, most of it is borrowed material.

wtf is going on?!

lol...the russian roulette was not borrowed, though the troll science shit was..in fact, theres like a site for that called trollphysics or something, check it out, its pretty cool...


these 2 things are not troll jobs; some of the questions might look dumb but I don't know much about these subjects.

[CuckingFunt]

I am in Bio 101

In high school?



Whether or not this epochal tale of inappropriate condom use and unfortunate reproduction is bullshit, and I still firmly believe that it is, you're a fucking moron. The thought of a young girl pregnant with a child destined to inherit the badly bruised brain cells of a father as insipid as yourself, and/or a mother foolish enough to sleep with your dumb ass, is depressing. The thought of a generation for whom inventing such a fairytale to share on a message board serves as entertainment and/or humor is no less so.

This shit is tiresome. Someone, please, make it stop.

[Wild Cobra]

Wait, how did you end up with green eyes? That can't be co-dominance, since blue and brown don't mix to make green, so is it incomplete dominance or something?
Like I said, there is more than one gene pair involved. I forget the specifics. Your biology book should have it in there, at least if you are getting what you pay for.

[Wild Cobra]

i cant believe Gutter is able to keep people responding to his threads even though they all blatantly end in a troll job. even worse, most of it is borrowed material.

wtf is going on?!
He's real good at making it sound real. Maybe it is this time.

[Wild Cobra]

Thats in my textbook, we studied Meiosis a few weeks ago
We were way past that in 9th grade biology. You're asking me to remember allot.

[Gutter92]

Back to the broader issue, how can I make sure she's pregnant? I haven't seen her since she told me...when I see her, do I ask her to take a pregnancy test right there? How long would it be until she gets a bump?

[Sisk]

i cant believe Gutter is able to keep people responding to his threads even though they all blatantly end in a troll job. even worse, most of it is borrowed material.

wtf is going on?!

I don't know whether to be impressed with Gutter or in awe of how stupid some posters are... TBH

[easjer]

I don't know whether to be impressed with Gutter or in awe of how stupid some posters are... TBH

As I said earlier, despite knowing it's a troll job, it bothered me to think that there might be someone reading who could legitimately use this knowledge. And so...

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Good Lord, 6 pages of this bullshit?

I gotta hand it to Gutter--one of the most dedicated trolls I've seen around here in a while.