California is so screwed...

[Yonivore]

Brown is projected to win and Box to retain.

[ChumpDumper]

What would have been different had Republicans won?

[MannyIsGod]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162731

:lmao

[scott]

Now they might be facing a $25B budget deficit! That would never happen in a Republican run state.

[ChumpDumper]

Now they might be facing a $25B budget deficit! That would never happen in a Republican run state.:lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[ElNono]

Mind will be blown if Cali votes this lady in again.

:rolleyes

[coyotes_geek]

Now they might be facing a $25B budget deficit! That would never happen in a Republican run state.

:lol

[Crookshanks]

I think having the Jerkinator for Governor hurt Meg Whitman's chances. Although, Jerry Brown doesn't have that great a track record - but I guess he was the lesser of two evils. It's sad that when you go district by district, California is pretty red - it's just the coastline that is blue. California deserves whatever happens now - they keep electing tax and spend libs.

[ChumpDumper]

Jerry Brown doesn't have that great a track recordIn one of her commercials Whitman reminisced about how good times were the last time Brown was governor.

[Purple & Gold]

What's going on with Prop 19... Will I be able to light a celebratory blunt??

[Crookshanks]

For all of the millions Whitman and Fiorina spent - I really don't think they ran very good campaigns. Fiorina should've been able to take Boxer out - Boxer is a horrible person.

[Purple & Gold]

California is pretty red - it's just the coastline that is blue. California deserves whatever happens now - they keep electing tax and spend libs.

What's funny is the red parts are the recipients of the tax money while the blue areas are the ones that vote and pay for it. We're doing em a favor, even if they don't know it.

[ChumpDumper]

For all of the millions Whitman and Fiorina spent - I really don't think they ran very good campaigns.Agreed. I can't believe they spent any money on ideas for their commercials.
Fiorina should've been able to take Boxer out - Boxer is a horrible person.Even if that is true, that isn't much of a deterrent to voters.

[ducks]

In one of her commercials Whitman reminisced about how good times were the last time Brown was governor.


yes commercials always tells the truth

[coyotes_geek]

What's going on with Prop 19... Will I be able to light a celebratory blunt??

No, you won't.

[Purple & Gold]

What's the numbers on Prop 19? I was looking forward to $80 an ounce.

[ElNono]

Fiorina should've been able to take Boxer out - Boxer is a horrible person.

I don't know much about Boxer, but Fiorina has more than her fair share of skeletons in her closet from her corporate days...

[ElNono]

Prop. 19 headed to defeat, exit polls show (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/11/prop-19-headed-to-defeat-exit-polls-show.html)

[Crookshanks]

I don't know much about Boxer, but Fiorina has more than her fair share of skeletons in her closet from her corporate days...

Yeah - her outsourcing of all those jobs at Hewlett-Packard didn't win her any points.

[coyotes_geek]

What's the numbers on Prop 19? I was looking forward to $80 an ounce.

56-44 against according to cnn.

[Drachen]

What's the numbers on Prop 19? I was looking forward to $80 an ounce.

Its gonna lose. Sorry.

[MannyIsGod]

Sucks that it didn't pass. I think if it had there would be a lot of traction to make it a much more national issue come 2012. Ah well.

[Purple & Gold]

And stoners don't vote again

[MannyIsGod]

Too busy toking

[Purple & Gold]

No shit. And falling for them stupid "home growers" that don't wanna lose their piece of the pie.

[Wild Cobra]

What's the numbers on Prop 19? I was looking forward to $80 an ounce.
That's still double what I used to pay.

[Purple & Gold]

This is chronic now. There's a difference

[Wild Cobra]

And stoners don't vote again

LOL...

Wouldn't that be funny of polling said it would win by (number out my ass) 65%, but they were too stoned to vote, so it lost?

[Purple & Gold]

You can still get an ounce of regular stuff for 40. Sometimes some real good regular shit.

[Purple & Gold]

LOL...

Wouldn't that be funny of polling said it would win by (number out my ass) 65%, but they were too stoned to vote, so it lost?

Wouldn't be surprised. I thought this was our best chance. I guess I'll have to drown my sorrows in some chronic haze...

[ChumpDumper]

And stoners don't vote againObviously massive vote fraud by the drug cartels and their illegal immigrant lackeys.

[MannyIsGod]

Like Elnono?

[ChumpDumper]

Like Elnono?Especially ElNono.

[Purple & Gold]

Obviously massive vote fraud by the drug cartels and their illegal immigrant lackeys.

They are the true winners tonight. Big Business wins once again.

[MannyIsGod]

Hmmm, his name is El NO NO - probably a campaign tactic. Vote El NO NO on prop 19.

[La Mont]

just see how dumb and retarded the lakers fans on this board are and you will have a clue why the dems won Ca-lee-four-ni-ya. that's a state full of immigrants and the democrats are made to work on immigrants behalf, no surprise at all...

[La Mont]

the same for NY as well. NY is also an immigrant state so it was no wonder the dems achieved a convincing win there.

[ChumpDumper]

No immigrants in Texas.

Nosiree....

[IceColdBrewski]

And stoners don't vote again

I'm sure they headed out to go vote, but just forgot where they were going and stopped for taco bell instead.

[Purple & Gold]

Yes we like immigrants in Cali. We accept em all. We also like the sunshine, fine girls, and Championship Rings. It's a nice life.

[Stump]

Question: Several sources have declared Boxer the winner in California, but she is up only 0.1% on Fiorina with about 20% reported. What's up with that?

[MannyIsGod]

They extrapolate based on where the outstanding ballots are from and what type of numbers are being shown in prescients where it should go one way or another.

[DMX7]

It's kind of cool that Jerry Brown replaced Ronald Reagan as gov and now he replaces Arnold Schwartzanaggerwhatever.

[boutons_deux]

"Texas: $18 billion shortfall (estimated) or about 20 percent of state spending.

California: $19.1 billion shortfall (official estimate) or about 20 percent of state spending."

http://www.texasobserver.org/contrarian/texas-budget-mess-now-as-bad-as-californias

[Wild Cobra]

It's kind of cool that Jerry Brown replaced Ronald Reagan as gov and now he replaces Arnold Schwartzanaggerwhatever.
You realize that Brown helped fuck up California to begin with, don't you?

[Trainwreck2100]

No shit. And falling for them stupid "home growers" that don't wanna lose their piece of the pie.

yep now they are "the man"

[ChuckD]

I think having the Jerkinator for Governor hurt Meg Whitman's chances. Although, Jerry Brown doesn't have that great a track record - but I guess he was the lesser of two evils. It's sad that when you go district by district, California is pretty red - it's just the coastline that is blue. California deserves whatever happens now - they keep electing tax and spend libs.

Pssst. The coastline is where all the cities and people are. Votes aren't cast by square miles of land, they're cast by voters, and Cali is purple, leaning blue.

[Purple & Gold]

yep now they are "the man"

This shit will backfire on them. From now on I'm only buying my weed from down south. Fuck Humboldt County!!

[EricB]

California deserves to be in the shit fuck they are in. Businesses are constantly leaving because their state govt continues to pass legislation that is anti business. Their only answer is "Well, we could auction off some state land and raise taxes!"

[boutons_deux]

"legislation that is anti business"

list the legislation

[ChuckD]

"Texas: $18 billion shortfall (estimated) or about 20 percent of state spending.

California: $19.1 billion shortfall (official estimate) or about 20 percent of state spending."

http://www.texasobserver.org/contrarian/texas-budget-mess-now-as-bad-as-californias


California deserves to be in the shit fuck they are in. Businesses are constantly leaving because their state govt continues to pass legislation that is anti business. Their only answer is "Well, we could auction off some state land and raise taxes!"

Rick Perry has quietly been running up a HUGE tab for Texans to pay off. Typical GOP Don't Tax, but Still Spend voodoo economics that got us into this mess on a national level. Giving him another four years is like giving your college kid a credit card and not checking your statement for four years.

[boutons_deux]

Pssst. The coastline is where all the cities and people are. Votes aren't cast by square miles of land, they're cast by voters, and Cali is purple, leaning blue.

Coastlines is where all educated, broad-minded, tolerant, informed people are.

[baseline bum]

Coastlines is where all educated, broad-minded, tolerant, informed people are.

I think it's more the fact that the Repulicans always turn their backs on things like air quality and public transportation that are important to people in densely-populated urban areas.

[boutons_deux]

The Repugs turn their faces to their typical business-friendly tax breaks, subsidies, corruption, non-enforcement, deregulation which is always anti-citizen and anti-environment.

An exception the rule:

(UPDATE 11:55 pm: The Prop 23 campaign conceded defeat, as with more than 3.5 million votes counted, the measure was being rejected by more than 59% of voters)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/11/proposition-23-defeat-global-warming-climate-change-initiative.html

Many State AGs were in campaigns. I don't have the results, but I assume they went Repug mostly, so their consortium to go after the criminal lenders and banks will probably collapse. Expect millions of Ameircans to lose their homes to criminally fraudulent paperwork, their homes grabbed by the financial sector that has no right to grab their homes. 100s of years of property law, a foundation of society, completely raped.

[BlairForceDejuan]

:lol have fun Cali

[Sportcamper]

I hope that the good people from Texas get lots of overtime in the next 8 years…California is going to need several mother of all bail outs…California has lost its ability to govern…They cant pass any economic policies that saves more than they spend…California is so indebted to State workers who retire with full pensions after only 20 years of service…Most of whom eventually retire with two & three pensions…Do you think Governor Moonbeam is going to fix any of this?

We have 10% sales tax, astronomical DMV fees, property taxes of 16k for an average priced home and still we are broke….We have our hand out asking for more stimulus & bail outs from people who at least try to live within their means…Laugh now, it is the good people from states like Texas who are going to foot the bill for it all…

I love you patriotic people for being such good sports about it….Now please get off the internet & get to work… :tu

[Sportcamper]

LOL...

Wouldn't that be funny of polling said it would win by (number out my ass) 65%, but they were too stoned to vote, so it lost?

:lol:rollin:lol... I think that is what happened...

[TeyshaBlue]

Especially ElNono.

:lol:lol

[DarrinS]

California deserves Barbara Boxer.

[clambake]

California deserves Barbara Boxer.

boxer sucks. carly major sucks.

[TeyshaBlue]

boxer sucks. Carly major sucks.

+10.

[Ashy Larry]

Man, it's crazy out this way ....... the state has 35 million people in it. Say two-thirds are kids. Still a shitload of people didn't vote. I think the reason Whitman didn't get elected was she sounded just like Ahnold, a re-pube; and it didn't set right with a person spending 150 million dollars of her own money for a job that pays a couple hundred grand. If she did that in the business world, she's be stoned and shot. Only in politics.

Jerry Brown, I guess, was the lesser of two evils and I really wish they'd had NONE OF THE ABOVE on the ballot.

[Ashy Larry]

California deserves Barbara Boxer.

Even though Boxer is brutal, the one thing she has done is keep a lot of off shore drill off the coast. See what happened with those money hungry fucks in the gulf.

[DarrinS]

Even though Boxer is brutal, the one thing she has done is keep a lot of off shore drill off the coast. See what happened with those money hungry fucks in the gulf.



Well, yeah, duh, thank God for that. I wish Texas and Louisianna could get rid of that shit too. And the useless jobs that go with it.

[Ashy Larry]

:lol have fun Cali



hell, it's not fun out here .....

[clambake]

hell, it's not fun out here .....

it's not?

[Ashy Larry]

it's not?


well, it's amazing that a state with so much revenue be in so much debt. LA was in so much debt that it couldn't pay for the Lakers' last parade and these are guys who pump mucho fundage into the economy.

First thing they say (Ah-nold), I will make cuts but not from education. Bullshit. Now they're trying to cut tutoring and after school programs that actually help keep kids off the streets and away from the bad elements out there. Hell, they actually tried to get rid off the aid that helps my autistic son. What kind of shit is that? And they let go five great teachers at his school.

Yet, education won't suffer. That's just one school. I know the same has happened in many more.

[clambake]

well, it's amazing that a state with so much revenue be in so much debt. LA was in so much debt that it couldn't pay for the Lakers' last parade and these are guys who pump mucho fundage into the economy.

First thing they say (Ah-nold), I will make cuts but not from education. Bullshit. Now they're trying to cut tutoring and after school programs that actually help keep kids off the streets and away from the bad elements out there. Hell, they actually tried to get rid off the aid that helps my autistic son. What kind of shit is that? And they let go five great teachers at his school.

Yet, education won't suffer. That's just one school. I know the same has happened in many more.

there are quite a few people on this forum that are happy to hear about those cuts.

i'm pulling for you and your son. :tu

[Ashy Larry]

there are quite a few people on this forum that are happy to hear about those cuts.

i'm pulling for you and your son. :tu


much appreciated ...... If you're gonna cut, start at welfare. That's a system that has really gone bad. Education should be the last on the table.

[The Gemini Method]

I went back to my Independent roots in this mid-term election, so I do hope Moonbeam does a better job than the Govenator. I'm a bit disappointed in Prop 19 not passing, but it was a poorly written Proposition and could use a few more revisions and solidifying before it attempts to legalize the smok. While it wouldn't have done much in the way of subsiding the violence most associated with drugs (the Sinaloan conflicts)--it would've at least been interesting to see what the effect (if any...) the passage of a proposition would've done.

I'm also happy that I don't have to have one of those moments where 40-50% of the commercials are election ads. I think the fact that they've become more negative and smear 'tactical' in nature really aids in voter apathy. That, and the continued disappointment politicians curry as noteriety.

[Ashy Larry]

I went back to my Independent roots in this mid-term election, so I do hope Moonbeam does a better job than the Govenator. I'm a bit disappointed in Prop 19 not passing, but it was a poorly written Proposition and could use a few more revisions and solidifying before it attempts to legalize the smok. While it wouldn't have done much in the way of subsiding the violence most associated with drugs (the Sinaloan conflicts)--it would've at least been interesting to see what the effect (if any...) the passage of a proposition would've done.

I'm also happy that I don't have to have one of those moments where 40-50% of the commercials are election ads. I think the fact that they've become more negative and smear 'tactical' in nature really aids in voter apathy. That, and the continued disappointment politicians curry as noteriety.


I'm the same with going Independent. I guess I had to go back to my roots with being fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I think Prop 19 went wrong with it being o.k.'d by the state but you could still get some serious fed time. It is amazing that people can't learn from the prohibition period in the 1930s. The same applies here.

As far as election ads go, thank God they're off my television.

[baseline bum]

much appreciated ...... If you're gonna cut, start at welfare. That's a system that has really gone bad. Education should be the last on the table.

The welfare system in LA is fucked. I can't believe you can't get shit if you work and are struggling with the cost of living but can qualify when sitting on ass.

[ElNono]

Like Elnono?


Especially ElNono.


Hmmm, his name is El NO NO - probably a campaign tactic. Vote El NO NO on prop 19.

:lol

Massive voter fraud!!!!

[The Gemini Method]

I'm the same with going Independent. I guess I had to go back to my roots with being fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I think Prop 19 went wrong with it being o.k.'d by the state but you could still get some serious fed time. It is amazing that people can't learn from the prohibition period in the 1930s. The same applies here.

As far as election ads go, thank God they're off my television.

Most definitely agree with being fiscally responsible for the most part, but I do believe that there should be certain aspects that spending cannot be avoided. It just has to be in a correct manner and not what is usually done in positions of power.

The ads...yeah, they ruined the World Series for me...

[The Gemini Method]

The welfare system in LA is fucked. I can't believe you can't get shit if you work and are struggling with the cost of living but can qualify when sitting on ass.

L.A. doesn't have a seperate welfare program--it's a state (and there are some federal programs...) ran program, so as a whole it is really problematic and needs to be changed to what it initially was supposed to be--a program that aided a recipient for a while and get them back to looking for a job and off the dependency. Growing up in Long Beach, CA it was interesting to see what some of the political asylum Khmer ethnic group did when they first came to our country. They would be on welfare for a little period of time and used that as a springboard to succeeding.

[Ashy Larry]

The welfare system in LA is fucked. I can't believe you can't get shit if you work and are struggling with the cost of living but can qualify when sitting on ass.


I know this chick who's able-bodied. All of her limbs work and she gets a check for watching All My Children, One Life to Live and Oprah all day, every day. I can see welfare going to a single mother who lost her job and needs assistance for a period of time. As a nation of supposed Christians, Christ would have wanted us to help those who are trying to help themselves and hit a bump in the road. But when you use an EBT card to go to the strip club and get your nails done, instead of buying groceries, we have a problem.

I never ask for a hand out. I try to make it on my own, get mine and manage what I have. I wish those who are fully capable of working would do the same.

[boutons_deux]

You people seem to be extremely pissed off about welfare fraud, but give medical fraud, financial fraud a pass.

[The Gemini Method]

I know this chick who's able-bodied. All of her limbs work and she gets a check for watching All My Children, One Life to Live and Oprah all day, every day. I can see welfare going to a single mother who lost her job and needs assistance for a period of time. As a nation of supposed Christians, Christ would have wanted us to help those who are trying to help themselves and hit a bump in the road. But when you use an EBT card to go to the strip club and get your nails done, instead of buying groceries, we have a problem.

I never ask for a hand out. I try to make it on my own, get mine and manage what I have. I wish those who are fully capable of working would do the same.

I remember this one incident while in college...I was purchasing some items for the week at a Ralphs and while walking into the store, I saw this really sleek BMW pull up. It was decked out to the T and driven by a stunning lady. I'm not sure--due to the passage of time--what exactly she wore, but it wasn't your average t-shirt and get-up. She is in front of me to enter the store and before me at the checker paying for Hypnotique (this was when the Incredible Hunk was a huge de facto drink) and a few other items with food vouchers and WIC stamps...Again, this was prior to the state limiting what items you could purchase (and strictly enforced said rules).

[clambake]

You people seem to be extremely pissed off about welfare fraud, but give medical fraud, financial fraud a pass.

extremely good point.

[MannyIsGod]

You people seem to be extremely pissed off about welfare fraud, but give medical fraud, financial fraud a pass.

Of course. The rich deflect to the poor. Best part about American politics!

[Ashy Larry]

Most definitely agree with being fiscally responsible for the most part, but I do believe that there should be certain aspects that spending cannot be avoided. It just has to be in a correct manner and not what is usually done in positions of power.

The ads...yeah, they ruined the World Series for me...


That's where our states and country have gone wrong. These elected people put parties before country. I think we need more Indies out there.

[Ashy Larry]

I remember this one incident while in college...I was purchasing some items for the week at a Ralphs and while walking into the store, I saw this really sleek BMW pull up. It was decked out to the T and driven by a stunning lady. I'm not sure--due to the passage of time--what exactly she wore, but it wasn't your average t-shirt and get-up. She is in front of me to enter the store and before me at the checker paying for Hypnotique (this was when the Incredible Hunk was a huge de facto drink) and a few other items with food vouchers and WIC stamps...Again, this was prior to the state limiting what items you could purchase (and strictly enforced said rules).


That's classic ..... lol @ hypnotic ..... the Cinnamon Toast Crunch of alcohol

[The Gemini Method]

You people seem to be extremely pissed off about welfare fraud, but give medical fraud, financial fraud a pass.

Fraud is bad all the way around...I was just sticking to the topic that was being discussed at the time. But, whether it is workman's comp or SS/Disability fraud and financial fraud, it affects all of us and makes a sense of distrust amongst groups of varying beliefs.

[Ashy Larry]

fraud sucks ...... period. Hell, we have political fraud in our offices both GOP and Dems.

[baseline bum]

I know this chick who's able-bodied. All of her limbs work and she gets a check for watching All My Children, One Life to Live and Oprah all day, every day. I can see welfare going to a single mother who lost her job and needs assistance for a period of time. As a nation of supposed Christians, Christ would have wanted us to help those who are trying to help themselves and hit a bump in the road. But when you use an EBT card to go to the strip club and get your nails done, instead of buying groceries, we have a problem.


Sucks. I have a friend in LA whose wife was shot and killed (innocent bystander; thanks, war on drugs!), so he's a single father raising two kids who works a full-time job with terrible pay. He can't find anything better that won't require him to leave his kids unsupervised at nights, so his choice was to move into a mission or let his kids grow up on the streets and maybe meet the same fate as his wife. Not a cent from the state.

[Ashy Larry]

Sucks. I have a friend in LA whose wife was shot and killed (innocent bystander; thanks, war on drugs!), so he's a single father raising two kids who works a full-time job with terrible pay. He can't find anything better that won't require him to leave his kids unsupervised at nights, so his choice was to move into a mission or let his kids grow up on the streets and maybe meet the same fate as his wife. Not a cent from the state.

See, in a case like that, that's a common sense case. Bad shit happens to good people and in the blink of an eye, shit can change. The state can look at this situation and say, we'll help you out for a while until you can get back on ya feet. Really sorry to hear about ya friend. It happens in the inner cities and barrios all the time.

[Winehole23]

California's budget deficit is gone after years of financial troubles, Governor Jerry Brown said on Thursday, proposing a plan that raises spending on education and healthcare, boosting total expenditures by 5 percent.

Brown vowed to push back at legislators eager to raise spending quickly, restoring the billions of dollars to social services and other state functions that were cut in lean years.

"I am determined to avoid the fiscal mess that the last few governors had to deal with," Brown told reporters as he introduced the budget for the 2013-14 fiscal year beginning in July.

The state expects $98.5 billion in revenues and transfers and plans spending $97.7 billion, according to the proposal published on the state Department of Finance website.

That leaves a surplus of $851 million for the year, in addition to a projected $785 million surplus for the current fiscal year, which ends in June, allowing the state to put $1 billion toward a rainy day fund.

Brown said he saw a balanced budget for the next four years.

Spending in the upcoming year is set to rise 5 percent, or $4.7 billion, from the current 2012-13 budget. Schools and universities will see a $4 billion boost, health care spending will rise $1.2 billion, while transfers to local government will drop $2.1 billion.http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-usa-california-budget-idUSBRE9090PV20130110

[Wild Cobra]

Well, we will see if the budget actually holds. It most certainly took them long enough to pull, their collective heads out of their collectives asses. Now if the federal government could just do the same.

[DarrinS]

Spending less than you take in? What a concept.

Texas has 8.8 billion surplus.

[boutons_deux]

Spending less than you take in? What a concept.

Texas has 8.8 billion surplus.

RickyBobby is gonna cut taxes on his business financiers rather spend it on schools from which he cut $B.

[coyotes_geek]

False.

Schools will get some, TxDOT will get some and the money borrowed from the rainy day fund last session will be repaid.

[boutons_deux]

False.

Schools will get some, TxDOT will get some and the money borrowed from the rainy day fund last session will be repaid.

Schools were overjoyed this week to get .... $200M. :lol

mere crumbs after $5B was cut.

$19B/year RickyBobby gives away to corporations, etc.

[TeyshaBlue]

Doesn't matter what Perry thinks. The leg is about to be told what to do...again.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20130109-judge-orders-texas-to-redo-school-finance-study.ece

[Winehole23]

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Good-news-California-Surplus-is-2-4-billion-4997158.php

[boutons_deux]

Governor Moonbeam, a super majority Dem legislature, a marginliized, powerless Repug party, and CA turns itself around in a couple years, and the shale explosion hasn't really started.

Unemployment is also well down.