We need Bonner back

[awktalk]

Without that ginger we would never have beaten Dallas last year. We need Bonner. If he'd be in the rotation, overtime wouldn't be needed tonight.

[SpurCharger]

Were Better without him!!! We Would be 1-4 if he was in the Rotation.....Bonner Is trash....

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Well, Bonner may have failed to meet expectations last year, but we haven't really seen if he's rejuvenated this time around, perhaps Pop specified some sadistic drills for Bonner as well. haha.

[Sean Cagney]

Bonner is utter shytt. Without Hill we would not beat Dallas last year, what are you smoking????? I mean seriously Bonner? He is horrible.

[Gutter92]

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[awktalk]

Bonner is the man from 3 and can D-up like nobody else on our team he is the utter shyte youre right about that!!!1

[Em-City]

...and can D-up like nobody else on our team


kill yourself

[awktalk]

kill yourself

this troll goes to sleep.

[AussieFanKurt]

loltroll

[The_Worlds_finest]

tbh,impo, i think bonner will be played on occasion for threes. idk, just saying

[silverblk mystix]

Since bonner went down with an injury...

the spurs seem to be coming together...

last season was loss after loss-to subpar teams.

Although still very early-this season is the opposite-
the spurs are finding ways to win...although far from perfect or easy wins...they ARE wins.

Like I said a few days ago...this reminds me of last season when the spurs started jellin' after a bonner injury...

...only for bonner return and fuck it all up again...

[ducks]

temple, booner gee for ?

[ducks]

Without that ginger we would never have beaten Dallas last year. We need Bonner. If he'd be in the rotation, overtime wouldn't be needed tonight.

why so he can jack up as many threes as manu:lol

[galvatron3000]

Anyone making a we need Bonner THREAD

[SpurCharger]

and can D-up like nobody else on our team
He Plays No D.... He doesnt Rebound Well(Offensively Or Defensively)... Players see him on the Court and They Atttack him... If You Notice when bonner is in there, whoever he is covering the other Team goes right at him..
The Only Thing he is good for Is 10 mins a game(At The most) And that is for situation play only(Like we are down three with 5 secs left)..

[panic giraffe]

obvious troll is obvious.

[Blackjack]

Trolling aside, the Spurs could use Bonner to eat some minutes. The guy is useful during the regular season, especially early.

And with Splitter not up to speed and Blair trying to work out the kinks and find a way to implement what he's learned and added to what made him the player he's been, the Spurs risk the possibility of putting too much burden and responsibility on 'Dyess and Duncan early.

So there's actually some truth and merit to the Spurs missing Bonner. He serves a purpose for the long-term. But hopefully the success they've had playing BIG has reminded Pop and the staff of who and what they need to be and how they need to play when the games really start to matter.

Bonner's a meat shield.

[itzsoweezee]

there is absolutely no (useful) skill that bonner provides that another spur doesn't do better.

here's to bonner's injury saving popovich from the boneheaded rotation he would be using otherwise. :toast

[BadOne]

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[angelbelow]

Trolling aside, the Spurs could use Bonner to eat some minutes. The guy is useful during the regular season, especially early.

And with Splitter not up to speed and Blair trying to work out the kinks and find a way to implement what he's learned and added to what made him the player he's been, the Spurs risk the possibility of putting too much burden and responsibility on 'Dyess and Duncan early.

So there's actually some truth and merit to the Spurs missing Bonner. He serves a purpose for the long-term. But hopefully the success they've had playing BIG has reminded Pop and the staff of who and what they need to be and how they need to play when the games really start to matter.

Bonner's a meat shield.

eh.. if we were losing, maybe. Id rather let those guys play and figure it out on the run. Bonner is more of an insurance for me, playing minutes ONLY if he absolutely has to ie. injury to another, foul trouble, epic struggling, specific situation that calls for a 3 pt shooter etc. Otherwise Im more of a fan of letting players play it out.

Kind of agree on TD and Dice being overplayed though.. but if Blair and Splitter can work out their issues (Blair stuggling to score, splitter regaining his conditioning) then I think were okay in that department.

[panic giraffe]

lol meat shield.

[Blackjack]

eh.. if we were losing, maybe. Id rather let those guys play and figure it out on the run. Bonner is more of an insurance for me, playing minutes ONLY if he absolutely has to ie. injury to another, foul trouble, epic struggling, specific situation that calls for a 3 pt shooter etc. Otherwise Im more of a fan of letting players play it out.

Kind of agree on TD and Dice being overplayed though.. but if Blair and Splitter can work out their issues (Blair stuggling to score, splitter regaining his conditioning) then I think were okay in that department.

That was the whole point of my post. The Spurs could use Bonner right now to eat minutes, both because of Splitter not being up to speed and the age of Duncan and 'Dyess.

It's a long season. Guys like Bonner serve their purpose for the long-term if used correctly. He just needs to become about as relevant to the Spurs chances of winning playoff series as Scalabrine was for Boston.

[easy7]

:lmao :wakeup

[angelbelow]

That was the whole point of my post. The Spurs could use Bonner right now to eat minutes, both because of Splitter not being up to speed and the age of Duncan and 'Dyess.

It's a long season. Guys like Bonner serve their purpose for the long-term if used correctly. He just needs to become about as relevant to the Spurs chances of winning playoff series as Scalabrine was for Boston.

Hah turning this troll of a thread into something else.

But back to topic, I would still prefer Blair and Splitter eat up Dice and Duncans minutes while figuring/playing out their kinks. I just personally prefer letting players grind it out because we know the talent is there.

Ive always like Bonner as the 5th big so that's why I like him in more specific scenarios like blowouts, if we need the 3pt threat, foul trouble etc - which is how I believe he could be used correctly.

[Blackjack]

Hah turning this troll of a thread into something else.

It's called: The Reverse Troll.


But back to topic, I would still prefer Blair and Splitter eat up Dice and Duncans minutes while figuring/playing out their kinks. I just personally prefer letting players grind it out because we know the talent is there.

Ive always like Bonner as the 5th big so that's why I like him in more specific scenarios like blowouts, if we need the 3pt threat, foul trouble etc - which is how I believe he could be used correctly.

Of course you would. But Splitter hasn't been able and ready to play the minutes just yet and Pop's been playing 'Dyess more than Blair.

Like I said before, Bonner's a stopgap and meat shield. You can win with him playing a role in the regular season and you can keep the older guys fresher for when the games really start to count -- then he should no doubt be your fifth big and a situational player.

He is the Prince of the Plus-Minus, as my man objective so rightfully proclaimed; but that coincides with regular, early season games.

[angelbelow]

It's called: The Reverse Troll.



Of course you would. But Splitter hasn't been able and ready to play the minutes just yet and Pop's been playing 'Dyess more than Blair.

Like I said before, Bonner's a stopgap and meat shield. You can win with him playing a role in the regular season and you can keep the older guys fresher for when the games really start to count -- then he should no doubt be your fifth big and a situational player.

He is the Prince of the Plus-Minus, as my man objective so rightfully proclaimed; but that coincides with regular, early season games.

Yea, hopefully Splitter gets into shape soon.

IMO Pop is playing Dice more because Dice is balling and that he is probably the ideal player to play if we want to win these early games. Dice is playing very well providing defense, hustle, rebounding, occasional scoring. For those reasons, I doubt Bonner, if he were healthy, would be more beneficial in terms of winning ball games if he played over Dice.

BTW is there any news on Bonner, would obviously like to see him healthy again so we can get a proper look at our big man rotation early on.

[Strike]

Without that ginger we would never have beaten Dallas last year. We need Bonner. If he'd be in the rotation, overtime wouldn't be needed tonight.

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[Blackjack]

'Dyess has been ballin'. It's almost as if he's forgotten that he doesn't play till after the All-Star break. :lol

The Spurs are better playing without Bonner with the options they have now. If the team was only concerned about the short-term or the playoffs were right around the corner, there's no doubt you play the hell out of 'Dyess, Blair and Splitter.

Bonner's sole purpose should be to give the Spurs the best chance to get their frontline to the closing stretch with as much gas as possible. If he can get 'Dyess' minutes closer to 20 than 25 and Duncan's closer to 30 than 32-33, he'll have served his purpose -- then he can go wave the towel from the bench when the playoffs come around.

I haven't heard anything new with regards to Bonner. That's actually a good question. I'll see if I can find out anything.

[duncan228]

BTW is there any news on Bonner, would obviously like to see him healthy again so we can get a proper look at our big man rotation early on.

This was in the recap last night, haven't seen anything else.


Spurs F Matt Bonner (ankle) is expected to make the trip to Charlotte on Wednesday but isn’t expected to play.

[JustinJDW]

You're totally right man. We need Bonner's gritty rebounding. We need his physical defense and determination to protect the paint. We need his court blazing speed. We need his jaw-dropping athleticism, and most of all, we need that tremendous wingspan of his which alters the shot of every Guard that chooses to come into the paint (Bonner's House).

For real guys, stop feeding the troll.

[Cessation]

I gotta agree bonner is good to eat up minutes to keep the guys that close game fresh for the stretch run. With splitter getting into shape and blair sucking, it would be nice to have the bonner option, he does give us a different look that might throw other teams of balance. Pop isnt scared to pull guys out if they are not producing this year, look at blairs minutes, he might be starting but he certainly isnt getting much action nor is he there at the end of games.

[Ross Parrot]

Bonner's good for 14 MPG for some games Pop might want him in. They guy just gets burned by everyone. I agree with Cessation about the stretch run but I don't want to see him if he's not producing.

[kaji157]

I think Bonner knows some things about Pop, RC and Holt that they don´t want us to know.
Otherwise there is no reason for all the "mistakes" the FO makes with him.
Choosing him over Scola.
Giving him the same contract Scola got in Houston.
Giving him playing time (any).
Giving him yet again another long contract.
Of course i am joking... but god. Bonner must be very lucky.

On a side note, if he is used to play against Zone defenses, or with Manu from time to time in the second unit i don´t really care.
I just don´t want to si him loggin more than 20 mins ever again, not to say taking 10 shots a game unless he is shooting 60%.
Or giving him playing time once he is 0-3 or worse, in fact, i would remove Bonner from the game once he misses 2 consecutive shoots, he is THAT streaky, and looses his confidence in a second.

[angelbelow]

'Dyess has been ballin'. It's almost as if he's forgotten that he doesn't play till after the All-Star break. :lol

The Spurs are better playing without Bonner with the options they have now. If the team was only concerned about the short-term or the playoffs were right around the corner, there's no doubt you play the hell out of 'Dyess, Blair and Splitter.

Bonner's sole purpose should be to give the Spurs the best chance to get their frontline to the closing stretch with as much gas as possible. If he can get 'Dyess' minutes closer to 20 than 25 and Duncan's closer to 30 than 32-33, he'll have served his purpose -- then he can go wave the towel from the bench when the playoffs come around.

I haven't heard anything new with regards to Bonner. That's actually a good question. I'll see if I can find out anything.

Yea, maybe its just me being selfish but those preservation minutes I would still prefer to goto Splitter and Blair even if theyre struggling. I just think that letting Blair and Splitter playing out their struggles, couldnt be as bad as an average performance from Bonner.

Ofcousre im not saying Bonner should NEVER play, I just think he should play in the appropriate settings of a 5th big.

Either way though, the good news is that Bonner usually does well beginning of the season (esp. last year before he broke his hand) so whether Pop decides to stretch out the rotation or leave Blair and Splitter in the fire is all good.


This was in the recap last night, haven't seen anything else.

Thanks :toast

[mountainballer]

you can hate Bonner as much as you want (and I share the sense that 30 MPG from him wouldn't be something to wish for), but don't ignore two points:

what we got from Bonner at the beginning of last season (till about end of November) was FAR BETTER than what we currently get from Blair.
and
he IS a (well) payed member of this team. you can hate his contract (which you can't blame him for, it just proves that at least he is a smart negotiator. btw. Matt has all the smarts and skills to once become a great GM, including a degree in Business Administration), but you don't want a player you pay to NOT play at all.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

Right now, Pop is trying to create a fine tasty soup with many different ingredients. He's combining South American spices with some French and just a touch from the islands. Throw in some soul food. It's not bad and it's slowly getting better. Adding Bonner would be tantamount to dropping a big turd into the soup bowl.

[angelbelow]

you can hate Bonner as much as you want (and I share the sense that 30 MPG from him wouldn't be something to wish for), but don't ignore two points:

what we got from Bonner at the beginning of last season (till about end of November) was FAR BETTER than what we currently get from Blair.
and
he IS a (well) payed member of this team. you can hate his contract (which you can't blame him for, it just proves that at least he is a smart negotiator. btw. Matt has all the smarts and skills to once become a great GM, including a degree in Business Administration), but you don't want a player you pay to NOT play at all.

I acknowledge what Bonner did early last season before he got injured. But IMHO, I think thats the best version of Bonner were ever going to get and whether he can repeat that level of play, to me, is doubtful. Therefore, as badly as Blair is playing, and as out of shape as Splitter is, both their ceilings are much, much higher, so I would simply like them to play out their slump instead of benching them.

He certainly is a well payed member but I never agreed with that contract so maybe im biased but here are my thoughts:

-Just because you are well payed doesnt mean that the player is proportional in skill and contribution.
-There are many bad contracts out there that sometimes result in players rotting on the bench. There are plenty of examples of this. Sasha on the lakers hasnt cracked the rotation this year because an under payed S. Brown is severly outplaying the guy.

As far as his smarts, that is something that I always respect. But it doesnt mean that his degree with translate to him grabbing rebounds. When he becomes an ast. coach, ast. GM or whatever hes interested in im sure we'll all be happy for him when the time comes.

[duncan228]

Bonner could return to Spurs lineup by Saturday night (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/08/bonner-could-return-to-spurs-lineup-by-saturday-night/)
by Tim Griffin

...“He went (in) four-on-four (drills) today, full-court contact,” Popovich said. “So I would think he would be probable for the weekend, but unlikely for Wednesday.”

Pop's practice interview is here.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165654

[TD 21]

'Dyess has been ballin'. It's almost as if he's forgotten that he doesn't play till after the All-Star break. :lol

The Spurs are better playing without Bonner with the options they have now. If the team was only concerned about the short-term or the playoffs were right around the corner, there's no doubt you play the hell out of 'Dyess, Blair and Splitter.

Bonner's sole purpose should be to give the Spurs the best chance to get their frontline to the closing stretch with as much gas as possible. If he can get 'Dyess' minutes closer to 20 than 25 and Duncan's closer to 30 than 32-33, he'll have served his purpose -- then he can go wave the towel from the bench when the playoffs come around.

I haven't heard anything new with regards to Bonner. That's actually a good question. I'll see if I can find out anything.

Match-ups, who's playing well at the time and how well the Spurs are shooting the three outside of Bonner, will likely all factor into the equation. But if I had to guess, my sense is McDyess will start next to Duncan, Splitter will be the first big off the bench and Bonner will be the fourth big in the playoff rotation.

I think Blair is going to have to make a radical transformation to his game to change that. Even if he goes back to piling up ridiculous per minute scoring and rebounding numbers, while shooting a high percentage from the field, that may not be enough. He's got to become at least something close to competent as a face-up and pick-and-roll defender, as well as a 10-12 foot jump shooter. He's also got to play more under control and more intelligent. Some of the decisions he's made this season I can't see being tolerated by Pop in the playoffs.

[duncan228]

Board play, defense give Blair a reason to smile (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/10/board-play-defense-give-blair-a-reason-to-smile/)
by Mike Monroe

...“I just want him to work on his defense, understanding the game, play a solid game and contributing in ways that don’t have anything to do with shooting,” Popovich said. “That’s changing shots, rebounding, running the floor, keeping things crowded, playing good individual defense, understanding the team defense.

“All those things are very important, because those are things you can do with focus and effort. Shooting’s going to take time.”

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/10/board-play-defense-give-blair-a-reason-to-smile/

[G-Dawgg]

You guys who think Bonner is useless are fucked... He was better as a starter than DeJuan Blair.

They should rename Blair "The Bust" instead of "The Beast"

Hate on me all you want, I'm just telling it exactly how it is....
Bonner doesn't get as much appreciation as he should considering how much more reliable he has been than Blair and yet so many people on this site are all up in Blair's jock like he's the second coming of Charles Barkley or some stupid shit..... wake the fuck up.

[Sean Cagney]

You guys who think Bonner is useless are fucked... He was better as a starter than DeJuan Blair.

.....

That shows you how sad both are starting and how we are fukked having either of them fukkin start for us!!!!!! Dyess or Splitter start please, period. I still laugh at Bonner fans like he is good! He is shyt and in big games he is useless, he has no heart nor talent really! He is not that good at all if his three is not falling, period.

[024]

bonner is serviceable in the regular season so i agree.

[JustinJDW]

Bonner is the perfect specialist situational minutes player. He should never play over 12 minutes, but he's perfect to bring off the Bench and spread the defense for a few minutes. He is not however a player that you can start or play over 20 minutes, because then his lack of defense and a whole lot of things other than 3-point shooting starts to hurt you.