PDA

View Full Version : U.S. gets earful from Human Rights Council, courtesy of Iran, North Korea and Cuba



RandomGuy
11-08-2010, 09:32 AM
Posted By Colum Lynch Friday, November 5, 2010 - 12:12 PM
Foreign Policy journal (http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/11/05/us_gets_earful_from_human_rights_council_courtesy_ of_iran_north_korea_and_cuba)

In an unprecedented meeting of the U.N. Human Rights Council on Friday morning, the human rights record of the United States faced attack from political rivals, including Cuba, Iran, and North Korea. Some delegations instructed staff to wait outside the building overnight in chilly weather so they could be the first in line to criticize Washington; Cuba earned the right to go first.

U.S. military and detention policies came under particular scrutiny. "The United States of America, since its very origin, has used force indiscriminately as the central pillar of its policy of conquest and expansionism, causing death and destruction," said Nicaragua's envoy Carlos Robelo Raffone.

It is the first time the United States has submitted its rights record to examination by the Geneva-based rights council. Washington had not previously complied with the procedure that requires all states to allow their counterparts to grade their conduct.

At the outset of Friday morning's meeting, a delegation of top American officials, led by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations Esther Brimmer, provided foreign diplomats a detailed account of American human rights shortcomings and current efforts to redress them. The response was not entirely hostile: The U.S. government also received praise from friendly countries for its willingness to accept constructive criticism.

The Obama administration has organized intensive efforts -- including several town hall meetings with Muslims, Native Americans, African Americans and other minority groups -- to assess the extent of domestic rights violations. In August, it presented the U.N. rights council with a 22-page report defending ongoing U.S. counter-terror efforts and documenting US abuses, including practices by federal and local police, as well as corrections and immigration officials. Today's meeting provided the first opportunity for states to comment on the report.

"We acknowledge imperfections and injustices to discuss and debate them, and to work through democratic means to remedy them," said Michael Posner, the U.S. assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor. "Our progress has not been linear, but in the story of the United States, the arc of history has bent toward justice...As our report acknowledges, though we are proud of our achievements, we are not satisfied with the status quo."

U.S. officials also conceded that the United States has had a long legacy of rights abuses. They noted that some of the country's highest officials, which include a Jewish American, an African American and an Asian American, could not have risen to top levels in the U.S. government in the past. "For the United States, our early years witnessed profound gaps between our ideals and practice, including slavery, the treatment of Native Americans, and limited franchise," Brimmer said.

Republican administrations have previously subjected their policies on immigration, detention treatment, and a host of other human rights issues to some form of scrutiny by the United Nations and other international bodies. But the Bush Administration had refused to join the Human Rights Council, saying its membership would lend legitimacy to a body that included many governments with horrible rights records. President Obama reversed course, arguing that it would be better to improve and reform the U.N.'s principal rights body from within, rather than lecture it from the outside.

Bush's former U.N. envoy, John Bolton, who was a vocal opponent of the U.S. joining the council, told Turtle Bay today's action simply underscored the Obama administration's "naivete" toward international diplomacy. "For the Obama administration, this is an exercise in self flagellation, which they seem to enjoy," Bolton said. "But it doesn't prompt equivalent candor from the real rights abusers."

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Cuban-American congressman from Florida who is likely to become the next chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, agreed with Bolton's assessment. In a statement issues this afternoon, she said, "So long as the inmates are allowed to run the asylum, the Human Rights Council will continue to stand in the way of justice, not promote it. The U.S. should walk out of this rogues' gallery and seek to build alternative forums that will actually focus on abuses and deny membership to abusers."

The United States' most vociferous critics -- Cuba, Iran, Nicaragua, North Korea and Venezuela -- opened the session with a series of highly critical accounts of U.S. policies from Abu Ghraib to Guantanamo Bay. They also characterized the U.S. embargo on Cuba as an act of genocide. In an effort to pack in as many attacks as possible in the two minutes allocated to each country, the delegates outlined a litany of alleged U.S. crimes at a speed that was barely intelligible. (See the presentations of Cuba, Nicaragua and Iran).

"We would like to forget the past," said Raffone, Nicaragua's envoy, "but unfortunately the United States of America, which pretends to be the guardian of human rights in the world, questioning other countries, has been and continues to be the one which most systematically violates human rights."

The tone of the rest of the event was more restrained. China and Russia, two major powers with poor rights records but important relations with the United States, acknowledged U.S. advances in improving its rights records, citing its efforts to expand health care. But China -- which has brutally repressed its own ethnic minorities -- criticized U.S. law enforcement for using "excessive force against racial minorities." The vast majority of U.N. members urged the United States to institute a moratorium on the death penalty with the ultimate goal of abolishing the practice, and urged the United States to ratify a series of international treaties aimed at protecting the rights of women and children.


Germany's envoy scolded the most vocal critics of the United States. "We have noted with interest that some of states which are on the first places of today's speakers list had spared no effort to be the first to speak on the U.S.," said Germany's delegate Konrad Scharinger. "We would hope that those states will show the same level of commitment when it comes to improving their human rights record at home."


-----------------------------------------------------------------

Bolton's "naivete" charge falls flat to me.

The power of moral authority is something that his ilk always fail to comprehend.

Cue Yoni/WC/Darrin's lame attempts to back up Mr. Bolton in 3, 2, 1...

boutons_deux
11-08-2010, 09:40 AM
American "moral authority" exists only in American mythology, just another lie from the self-congratulating Americans.

The only "inalienable rights" in USA are the ones you can afford.

boutons_deux
11-08-2010, 09:42 AM
.........

DarrinS
11-08-2010, 10:45 AM
UN?

/thread

RandomGuy
11-08-2010, 10:56 AM
UN?

/thread


:lmao

boutons_deux
11-08-2010, 11:35 AM
UN = other countries = sub-human.

America is exceptional, alone on the planet.

America: "Buy our shit, but don't expect us to play fair. We are predators, not saints"

MaNuMaNiAc
11-08-2010, 02:51 PM
so what's the point? that everyone is a hypocrite? what else is new?

honestly though, I've lost the ability to be repulsed by anything the governments of Iran, Cuba, Venezuela or Korea do or say. I pretty much expect them to act like the vile, corrupt, populist pieces of shit they are.

Not that the US should get a pass from criticism for all the shit it pulls.

FailureNotAnOption
11-08-2010, 03:02 PM
Germany's envoy scolded the most vocal critics of the United States. "We have noted with interest that some of states which are on the first places of today's speakers list had spared no effort to be the first to speak on the U.S.," said Germany's delegate Konrad Scharinger. "We would hope that those states will show the same level of commitment when it comes to improving their human rights record at home."

I think this is the most important paragraph, actually. A bunch of hypocrites preaching to the USA for their own local, political gains. N. Korea and Cuba have a lot of gall waiting all night, eagerly awaiting the chance to blast the USA on something they themselves have scoffed for how many generations?

boutons_deux
11-08-2010, 03:24 PM
"N. Korea and Cuba have a lot of gall"

USA has a lot of gall preaching to other countries about human rights, when the USA tortured war prisoners, had US mercenaries murder civilians, murdered war dissenter Pat Tillman, and nobody got punished.

RandomGuy
11-08-2010, 04:06 PM
so what's the point? that everyone is a hypocrite? what else is new?

honestly though, I've lost the ability to be repulsed by anything the governments of Iran, Cuba, Venezuela or Korea do or say. I pretty much expect them to act like the vile, corrupt, populist pieces of shit they are.

Not that the US should get a pass from criticism for all the shit it pulls.

I agree.

Being there lets us get a bit closer to our own ideals, in pushing for the things we say we stand for, and holding ourselves accountable, as we should be.

It no longer alows the piecies of shit running those countries to completely set the agenda.

RandomGuy
11-08-2010, 04:09 PM
I think this is the most important paragraph, actually. A bunch of hypocrites preaching to the USA for their own local, political gains. N. Korea and Cuba have a lot of gall waiting all night, eagerly awaiting the chance to blast the USA on something they themselves have scoffed for how many generations?

A point our German friends remarked on.

With the "Chinese model" of moderate economic freedom with often severe political repression that still allows for 10% economic growth per year, the Chinese have started to make the case that the silly "human rights" blathering is simply another "foreign plot" to tell them how to run things.