Spurs announced that they have waived guard Alonzo Gee

[ace3g]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Spurs today announced that they have waived guard Alonzo Gee.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs_waive_alonzo_gee_101116.html

[ChumpDumper]

Shock!

[Mel_13]

Shocking news.

[elbamba]

I'm shocked.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

WHAT THE-

we HAVE to be signing someone

[Mel_13]

Shock!


I'm shocked.


Shocking news.


:lol

[Blackjack]

Link (http://twitter.com/#!/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/4642172750004224)


@SpearsNBAYahoo

Spurs today announced that they have waived guard Alonzo Gee.

[ChumpDumper]

Uh...

Shock!

[Texas_Ranger]

I know he was not that good but I'm not happy. :(

[sa_butta]

WHAT THE-

we HAVE to be signing someone
Maybe someone being called up from D-league.

[NASpurs]

Is this a move to sign Michael Finley?

We can only hope so! *crosses fingers*

[Bruno]

It was expected.
Spurs have now 2 weeks to sign a 13th player. I guess it will happen rather sooner than later with maybe a signing tomorrow before the Bulls game.

[Texas_Ranger]

Hayes or Finley I guess.

[Dex]

General consensus is this is very shocking.

[ElNono]

Let's see what kind of mummy we get to fill up the end of the bench...

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

what...

[Dr. Gonzo]

I know he was not that good but I'm not happy. :(

If he wasn't good why wouldn't you be happy?

[Seventyniner]

Shock!


I'm shocked.


Shocking news.

Alonzo Gee is going to the Tulsa Shock?! Can I be the first on the bandwagon?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5429/geeshock.jpg

[Texas_Ranger]

If he wasn't good why wouldn't you be happy?

cause he rocks in NBA 2k11

[Blackjack]

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Spurs today announced that they have waived guard Alonzo Gee.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs_waive_alonzo_gee_101116.html

1 minute?

You're good, ace. Real good . . .

[tim_duncan_fan]

Free James White!

[smrattler]

What am I going to do with all of my Spurs Gee gear????

[timtonymanu]

Technically we only have 11 active players.

Hopefully we can make a run at CJ again.

[ohmwrecker]

ace3g and duncan228 would make a cute couple.

[angelbelow]

Hmm, I wonder whose coming aboard..

[SenorSpur]

Wtf?

[Blackjack]

Gee:
Gee's contract is complicate with multiple dates and multiple guarantee. For the moment, it is $100K guaranteed. The deadline, where he will start to hurt Spurs more, is November 10th for the tax and November 14th for his salary.

Today's the 16th. You think they've got someone ready to be signed that had more than one offer on the table or did the Anderson injury cause them to hold on a little longer than they would have otherwise?

[TJastal]

What am I going to do with all of my Spurs Gee gear????

:lmao :rollin :downspin:

[BOHOLANO#21]

Church of alonzo gee is officially closed...

[ddjeffries]

Sign Blake Ahearn :) Mainly cuz I'm a MSU Bear!

[koriwhat]

cause he rocks in NBA 2k11

no shit! dude is unstoppable. better than 'bron in 2k11.

[crc21209]

Alright so who are the Spurs gonna sign?

[Captain Oblivious]

^^ maybe a point guard from South America -- Brazil perhaps...

[Bruno]

Today's the 16th. You think they've got someone ready to be signed that had more than one offer on the table or did the Anderson injury cause them to hold on a little longer than they would have otherwise?

I think that without the Anderson injury, Gee would have been waived sooner.

Spurs also aren't looking to save as much money as they can. They could have waived Gee yesterday and save about $5K but they have kept him one more day.

[Spursmania]

Who are they looking to sign? Come on you Spur junkies with inside news, cough up who they could possibly be looking at to sign...:hungry:

[Blackjack]

I think that without the Anderson injury, Gee would have been waived sooner.

Spurs also aren't looking to save as much money as they can. They could have waived Gee yesterday and save about $5K but they have kept him one more day.

That's what I was thinking, pertaining to Anderson.

I've been kind of under the assumption that Jerrells will be back. I'm not sure if this bolsters that belief or dissuades it, though. I've been kind of under the impression Quinn was a placeholder for him, unless he proved otherwise, but I guess we'll see soon enough the direction they go -- I'm pretty sure they've already got their Gee replacement.

[TJastal]

I think that without the Anderson injury, Gee would have been waived sooner.

Spurs also aren't looking to save as much money as they can. They could have waived Gee yesterday and save about $5K but they have kept him one more day.

That's a lot of hot dogs & pretzels. And chips (for Chumpdumper of course).

[Bruno]

I've been kind of under the assumption that Jerrells will be back. I'm not sure if this bolsters that belief or dissuades it, though. I've been kind of under the impression Quinn was a placeholder for him, unless he proved otherwise, but I guess we'll see soon enough the direction they go.

Jerrells worked out for Minny and is said to have work out for multiple teams this week. While it's definitely possible that Spurs are interesting in him, it doesn't like a sure thing since Jerrells is looking at alternatives.

[anonoftheinternets]

Spurs Waive Alonzo Gee

http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs_waive_alonzo_gee_101116.html

What now?

[Bruno]

A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache. :downspin:

[anonoftheinternets]

delete thread, it a duplicate .. just noticed.

[lefty]

.. just noticed.
I'm impressed

[anonoftheinternets]

hmmm we need a backup three :)

[anonoftheinternets]

I'm impressed

well i guess i should bring up the thread where u noticed espn "screwed up", :lol, but its too much effort :p:

[TJastal]

hmmm we need a backup three :)

Hmm

I see Ime Udoka on the list of free agents. He was decent in spurts as a spur IMO with the added benefit of already knowing the spurs' system. Only time he had problems IMO is when Pop expected too much out of him.

He'd be a good short term solution as RJ's backup IMO.

[tdunk21]

A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache. :downspin:

who do u think is worth giving a chance from the list?

[lefty]

well i guess i should bring up the thread where u noticed espn "screwed up", :lol, but its too much effort :p:
Shut up, I'm sorry, ok? :D

[angelbelow]

A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache. :downspin:

Oh SHIT! where do we sign??

[jeebus]

I see darius miles is out of the job. We could use his charm.

[TimmehC]

Ime would be a good stopgap solution, until Anderson can come back.

[Blackjack]

A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache. :downspin:

Maybe he's the Kardashian equivalent? :lol

As for Jerrells, he really did well for himself in the offseason and the Spurs have put a lot of time into him. And I guess my thinking is a team that carries 13 players should probably have 12 that are capable of being called upon to play at any given time -- and if Jerrells can play at the level he did during camp, he'd be a nice option for your third point, especially with his knowledge.

I'm just wondering if they're going to carry a prospect as their 13th player or if they're going to add another wing and keep a third point, whether that's Quinn, Jerrells, Beverley (?) or anyone else.

[Libri]

When was the last time EN broke Spurs news?

[kaji157]

Seems that with Udoka available and all the firepower we have now he is the most usefull of the available SF, as he played here and would adapt soon.
Other than that i would not know what to think.

[timvp]

Gee played like he was 5'9. He needs playing time to learn to better utilize his athleticism and add a trusty jumper. Good luck to him.

The Spurs need perimeter length. Someone who can should would be an added plus. Jarvis Hayes is Charmin soft but he fits the bill ... plus the Spurs had interest in the past. I'll have to really look at the FA to come up with a few other names.

[Bruno]

who do u think is worth giving a chance from the list?

Not a lot choice. I'm curious to see who Spurs will sign.

Jarvis Hayes seems to be the best vet SF. Udoka could also be a decent option.
If spurs want to go with younger players, Joe Alexander, Demetris Nichols or Danny Green could be worth a try.

[Bukefal]

What am I going to do with all of my Spurs Gee gear????

:lol

[ajballer4]

Thats a weak FA list. Lets hope we can find someone better

[Libri]

Thats a weak FA list. Lets hope we can find someone better

There was some talk about Corey Brewer here on ST but he's now getting significant minutes for the Wolves.

[TimmehC]

There was some talk about Corey Brewer here on ST but he's now getting significant minutes for the Wolves.

They have two more SF types on their roster(Webster, Hayward). I would be very interested in grabbing Webster, not sure about Hayward.

[TJastal]

Thats a weak FA list. Lets hope we can find someone better

Where you gonna find someone better during the season? Spurs are capped out, unless they can pull off a trade all they can offer is minimum type salaries.

[rjv]

how much under the tax threshold does this put us now ?

[TJastal]

They have two more SF types on their roster(Webster, Hayward). I would be very interested in grabbing Webster, not sure about Hayward.

Webster is making 4.8m this year, how are the spurs going to "grab" him without paying luxury tax?

[TJastal]

how much under the tax threshold does this put us now ?

I would guess zero. Since he was making the minimum (min salaries don't count against the cap)

[jjktkk]

I noticed a guy on the FA list I wondered what happened to. Damion Wilkins. Always thought this was a solid role player who could defend and a decent 3 pointer shooter

[rjv]

I would guess zero. Since he was making the minimum (min salaries don't count against the cap)

thanks. i was just curious because i had read that the waiving of temple had put us about 850,000 under and i assumed he and gee may have had comparable salaries.

[Ocotillo]

Hmmmm, last years projects (Hairston, Gee, Temple, and Jerrells) are all gone.......

Would it be possible there is an international player they are bringing in?

Might there be a trade getting ready to happen?

Stanley Robinson?

[rjv]

Hmmmm, last years projects (Hairston, Gee, Temple, and Jerrells) are all gone.......



and still no toro has ever lasted on this team. makes one wonder if a player from that team ever will.

[angelbelow]

Hmmmm, last years projects (Hairston, Gee, Temple, and Jerrells) are all gone.......

Would it be possible there is an international player they are bringing in?

Might there be a trade getting ready to happen?

Stanley Robinson?

Just thought of that right now, how unfortunate. They all had good potential to become a contributor on some level.

[superbigtime]

Looks like the Toros venture is really paying dividends.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

reckon Marcus Williams could be a possibility?

[TJastal]

thanks. i was just curious because i had read that the waiving of temple had put us about 850,000 under and i assumed he and gee may have had comparable salaries.

I'm not a cap expert either, by any means, so I could be wrong too. I'm going to assume this is correct info though, because none of the site gurus (Bruno, Chumpdumper or Mel13) have posted retractions yet.

Usually retractions will be posted within seconds (actually could be measured in nano-seconds.)

[Bruno]

how much under the tax threshold does this put us now ?

Spurs are $1.46M under the tax.

[coyotes_geek]

reckon Marcus Williams could be a possibility?

Pretty sure that marcus williams ship has sailed.

[duncan228]

Spurs waive Gee to trim roster to 12 (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/16/spurs-waive-gee-to-trim-roster-to-12/)
by Tim Griffin

...With James Anderson out and Gee waived, it likely means that Gary Neal will see most of his playing time at small forward in the immediate future. But it wouldn’t surprise me if the Spurs make another roster move to shore up their depth before Wednesday’s game against Central-leading Chicago at the AT&T Center.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/16/spurs-waive-gee-to-trim-roster-to-12/

[TJastal]

Spurs are $1.46M under the tax.

Okay, and here I thought minimum salaries didn't count against the cap, damnit.

[SpurCharger]

I wouldnt Mind Pavlovic..... He is 6'8 and Can Shoot.... He isnt The most Athletic.... But Is A Decent Defender....

[coyotes_geek]

The Spurs will probably just shuffle d-leaguers in and out until after the trading deadline when vets start getting bought out. Then they'll chase one of them for the playoff run.

[TJastal]

The Spurs will probably just shuffle d-leaguers in and out until after the trading deadline when vets start getting bought out. Then they'll chase one of them for the playoff run.

They need someone now though. Unless you think 6'2" Gary Neal can man the position.

[SenorSpur]

Church of alonzo gee is officially closed...

Can I have my bible back...please?

[gameFACE]

Pavlovic isn't signed anywhere. I could see Pop go Serbian.

[temujin]

I wouldnt Mind Pavlovic..... He is 6'8 and Can Shoot.... He isnt The most Athletic.... But Is A Decent Defender....

Not a bad idea.

[E-RockWill]

Now things are getting interesting.
This is a perfect time for some blockbuster Melo trade that involves the Spurs giving a draft pick & Chris Quinn for someone, blah, blah, blah....There has to be some kind of trade because the list of free agents just doesn't do it for me.....

[coyotes_geek]

They need someone now though. Unless you think 6'2" Gary Neal can man the position.

I'm sure they'll grab somebody. Just saying that whoever that somebody is may not be here for the long term either.

[SenorSpur]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/16/spurs-waive-gee-to-trim-roster-to-12/

A 6'2" backup SF? I don't even want to imagine Neal trying to guard the backup 2's and 3's in this league, much less the likes of Caron Butler, Carmelo Anthony and Rudy Gay. This situation cannot last long.

[DesignatedT]

When RJ is out of the game , Manu would probably be the primary defender on the opposing 3s while Neal takes on the 2 guard.

[024]

i'm pretty sure ginobili will be seeing a lot more minutes at SF.

[Ocotillo]

Has Bowen been working out?

[TJastal]

I'm sure they'll grab somebody. Just saying that whoever that somebody is may not be here for the long term either.

Probably not, with Anderson coming back, but depending on how quickly Anderson can get re-acclimated, who knows.

I really doubt however that they will go the 'sign a vet after the trade deadline' route.

[Chomag]

Spurs now don't have a true Small Forward other then Jefferson.

I would be very shocked if the spurs don't have a plan in the works, but then again the way things are going we just will see another undersized shooter signed.

This team was pretty small at the start of the season and has gotten drastically smaller.

[Spurs Brazil]

Good luck Gee.

Do you think he'll go to Europe or Toros?

[rjv]

i'd be less concerned if anderson's injury such didn't have such an uncertain and potentially problematic timetable associated with its recovery time.

[024]

where did hairston go again?

[Chomag]

where did hairston go again?

Spurs FO sent him overseas, and he is injured as well now,

[Ryvin1]

Spurs FO sent him overseas, and he is injured as well now,


I thought Hairston failed his physical in Europe, did he get picked up by another Euro team?

[TD 21]

Not a lot choice. I'm curious to see who Spurs will sign.

Jarvis Hayes seems to be the best vet SF. Udoka could also be a decent option.
If spurs want to go with younger players, Joe Alexander, Demetris Nichols or Danny Green could be worth a try.

I get the feeling that the Spurs want to steer clear of minimal vets like Hayes.

Nichols is a guy I could see them signing. Close to a legit 6-8, long armed (7-foot wingspan), good shooter (in the mold of a younger James Jones), has had a couple of cups of coffee in the league with the Bulls and Knicks.

Another guy I could see them signing is Gardner. Really, he's a two, but he's built well, like Gee, Udoka, etc., so I could see them viewing him as being capable of playing the three.

[phxspurfan]

Ime Udoka anyone?

[MI21]

Hopefully RJ never gets in foul trouble or Manu will probably be playing a few to many minutes out of position. If both got in foul trouble, I don't know who Pop goes to then, probably George Hill at SF.

[DespЏrado]

There just isn't much the spurs can do to make a trade work at this point, they have too few movable pieces and are too far over the cap...
Dyess is about the only player the spurs can actually trade until Dec 15th (Bonner, Neal, and Jefferson all are trade restricted until the 15th) and unless you throw in Blair or Anderson the Spurs can't get much for him.

That said I think Udoka would make some sense as well as Finley or Povlovic.

[DPG21920]

It really worries me with no Anderson or Gee, the toll this will take on Manu's body.

[DPG21920]

Brandon Rush looks really, really good defensively against the Hawks right now...

[Drewlius]

I will take Larry Hughes for 8 minutes a game.

[ChuckD]

I will take Larry Hughes for 8 minutes a game.

Pop can't stomach dumbasses. Hughes will only play here after Pop's death. He's a COMPLETE idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

Considering what is being asked of such a player, almost anyone who can move their legs on an NBA floor and shoot an occasional three would be OK.

[DPG21920]

As an aside, I still like Gee as a prospect and I hope he develops (midrange would help).

Also, :lol at people that dogged Malik and said "Clearly Gee is NBA ready and Malik just couldn't hack it".

[Blackjack]

Pavlovic actually looks decent given the circumstance and pickings.

He's a legit NBA player, he can shoot it and defend it pretty well, he's got good size and he's probably got a pretty good understanding of the Spurs and their defense -- that '07 Cavs team got the Finals because of their team D and LeBron (and a watered down conference) and Pavlovic was a key part to that SA-based defense.

Not real sexy or exciting, but a decent stopgap.

[Solid D]

A 6'2" backup SF? I don't even want to imagine Neal trying to guard the backup 2's and 3's in this league, much less the likes of Caron Butler, Carmelo Anthony and Rudy Gay. This situation cannot last long.

Actually, Ginobili has been playing backup SF when RJ sits...with the Ultra-small exception. Gino goes out at 6 minutes into the 1st quarter, rests 3 minutes, then comes back in for RJ while George plays SG. Later when Neal comes in, Gary plays the 2 and Gino or RJ play the 3.

BTW, let's drop the idea that Gary is 6'2". I've attended a couple of games and seen him standing next to George Hill. Four or five times this season, the TV camera has shown Gary standing next to George, and Gary is clearly a couple of inches taller than George. Because TD21 contended that Gary is the same size as George, I even paused the DVR just to make sure what I was seeing was correct.

That doesn't mean Gary can guard Melo or Butler, though, and Gary isn't long-armed. The Spurs would do well to find a defensively-oriented SF, not Jarvis Hayes. At this point in the season, there are not many good plug-in options for defensive 3s. I would take a healthy Pavlovic over Jarvis.

[ShoogarBear]

Gee . . . didn't see that coming.

[Blackjack]

Gee . . . didn't see that coming.

Someone had to do it. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Meh, I don't really care who they pick up, not much talent to pick from..Jefferson's minutes will go up, he's only playing 32 MPG right now, I expect him to play at least 36-37 now, Manu will play some 3, the new guy might get a few minutes..Pop might even get a little creative with Bonner..

Losing Anderson obviously hurts, but losing Gee doesn't..he wasn't going to play much anyways, he didn't look too impressive in his limited time, even though I still think he has some potential as a contributor(as he showed with the Wizards last year)..

[BoricuaCJA]

Gary Neal is 6'4" and George Hill is 6'2".

[LeCrab]

Hairston thread...... seriously he would of fit this team perfectly this year..

[anonoftheinternets]

Gee . . . didn't see that coming.

right back @ ya ...

[dbestpro]

Would like to see a SF with size that could move up to PF at times. We have enough SF-SG types and a combo forward would provide more versatility.

[GSH]

There's not much talent out there that we could even think about affording.

Try to get Derrick Brown from the Bobcats? He's good enough for a backup role, and he's not going to get much in the way of minutes in Charlotte. He's inexpensive enough. If we could make a deal with Charlotte, I really think he could get some minutes here.

Bring Stephane Lasme back for another look. He was the last cut for the Celtics, and he's a good defender. Not a scorer.

Pete Mickeal. Older, but he has some experience under his belt. He was a very late bloomer. Played for Barcelona last season and looked good. Defends his ass off, and can put up some points.

[Obstructed_View]

Hairston thread...... seriously he would of fit this team perfectly this year..

Now that you mention it, there is a spot at the end of the bench for someone who doesn't play.

[yavozerb]

I have seen a couple of trade thoughts in this thread but who or what do the spurs have that they can or will offer for a trade? They seem to have cut the 2 players in the last week that would have seemed to be trade bait..

[TimDunkem]

How could the Spurs nab Pete Mickeal from Barcelona?

[The Truth #6]

If Hill has high trade value and could get us a young SF that's a legit defensive prospect, it could be considered, especially if he doesn't improve by the time Anderson returns. I know a lot of people are really high on him but I think his "inconsistency" has become a consistency.

[Big P]

If Hill has high trade value and could get us a young SF that's a legit defensive prospect, it could be considered, especially if he doesn't improve by the time Anderson returns. I know a lot of people are really high on him but I think his "inconsistency" has become a consistency.

Like who?

[Ross Parrot]

Trade a guy like George Hill for a defensive prospect?!:lmao

[yavozerb]

Ya, I really do not see Hill going anywhere since he is a vital piece of pop's currrent rotation. Hill also is alot of bang of the buck, after all he is only getting paid 1.5 mil and under contract for a couple of more seasons I believe. A trade is not the answer and all we are looking for is a SF who can play 8-10 minutes a night, play average D and maybe hit a couple of open 3pt shots..

[HarlemHeat37]

I wouldn't trade for a SF..Anderson hasn't played much, but he has impressed me on both ends in the time he has received, so I wouldn't want to potentially take away some of his minutes later on this season and/or in the future..

As for Gee getting waived, it doesn't change anything..he didn't look too good in the limited time he received(and in preseason), I doubt he would have received significant PT anyways..

Jefferson is only playing 32 MPG, his minutes will go up to 35-36 with Anderson out..Manu might play a few at SF, the new guy might get a few minutes, Pop might get creative with Bonner and Blair..

[TD 21]

BTW, let's drop the idea that Gary is 6'2". I've attended a couple of games and seen him standing next to George Hill. Four or five times this season, the TV camera has shown Gary standing next to George, and Gary is clearly a couple of inches taller than George. Because TD21 contended that Gary is the same size as George, I even paused the DVR just to make sure what I was seeing was correct.

I can't find it anymore, but it was some video on Spurs.com where Hill, Neal and a few of the other young guys (before the season) were doing some community type thing and at the end, they pose for a photo. Hill and Neal just so happen to be standing side by side, shoulder to shoulder and they're the exact same height.

To Harlem's point, that's precisely why I suspect the Spurs will steer clear of Hayes/Pavlovic, etc. As much as Pop claimed it wasn't a conscious decision to not sign a vet, I think it was (clearly, they'd have made an exception for a guy like Bell, but I'm talking about the fringe types). I think they've moved past those types and would prefer to fill out their roster by trying out younger guys, who have some upside and could potentially be on the team going forward.

[yavozerb]

As an aside, I still like Gee as a prospect and I hope he develops (midrange would help).

Also, :lol at people that dogged Malik and said "Clearly Gee is NBA ready and Malik just couldn't hack it".

Neither player are or were NBA ready...What could be said about one player could also be said about the other.

[Ross Parrot]

The only one that shocked me was Temple. One good season including playoff time and the guy starts playing terrible. Oh well, I hope Quinn can be an adequate back up PG at least like Vaughn did in 07-08.

[DPG21920]

Neither player are or were NBA ready...What could be said about one player could also be said about the other.

OK, what does that have to do with certain posters trying to use the "Gee is in the NBA, Malik is not" argument?

[duncan228]

I can't find it anymore, but it was some video on Spurs.com where Hill, Neal and a few of the other young guys (before the season) were doing some community type thing and at the end, they pose for a photo. Hill and Neal just so happen to be standing side by side, shoulder to shoulder and they're the exact same height.

Is this the video?

Spurs Bowl With the Boys & Girls Club (http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100920_bowling.html)

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100920_bowling.html

[TD 21]

Is this the video?

Spurs Bowl With the Boys & Girls Club (http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100920_bowling.html)

http://www.nba.com/spurs/multimedia/100920_bowling.html

Indeed it is, 228. Thank you.

Indisputable proof that Neal is 6-2. Solid (or anyone doubting otherwise), just go to the 2:40 mark of this video...and eat your humble pie.

[yavozerb]

OK, what does that have to do with certain posters trying to use the "Gee is in the NBA, Malik is not" argument?

I think a better question is why would you even get into a debate about 2 players who are no longer in the NBA and better yet who have only a spec of NBA PT to show for between them?

[Solid D]

Indeed it is, 228. Thank you.

Indisputable proof that Neal is 6-2. Solid (or anyone doubting otherwise), just go to the 2:40 mark of this video...and eat your humble pie.

Absolutely not true. If you pause the video at 2:41 Hill is closer to the camera, Neal standing behind. Yet, Neal's chin and eyes are higher than Hill's chin and eyes, even from farther away. You would have to back Hill up to where Neal is to get a better comparison. What's your point?

[GSH]

How could the Spurs nab Pete Mickeal from Barcelona?


It's a contract year, and I thought he had a buyout. Their buyouts are usually within reason for the last season, especially for a player in his salary range. I could be wrong, just going from memory.

Right now we need a SF, and the pickings are slim. He's got enough experience that he could conceivably step in as a backup fairly quickly. But, yeah, only if the buyout situation is there.

[Duncan2177]

Larry Hughes or Ronald Murray?

[TD 21]

Absolutely not true. If you pause the video at 2:41 Hill is closer to the camera, Neal standing behind. Yet, Neal's chin and eyes are higher than Hill's chin and eyes, even from farther away. You would have to back Hill up to where Neal is to get a better comparison. What's your point?

If you watch the last couple of seconds, there's a shot from close to straight away and it's clear they're the same height. Maybe Neal is a quarter of an inch taller, obviously that's difficult to detect from the shots we're able to see. But he's definitely not 6-4.

Why bother arguing? Just admit you were wrong and move on. It's not the end of the world.

[Trill Clinton]

I think Ray Charles saw this coming.

[Solid D]

I totally disagree with you and I will move on.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If you watch the last couple of seconds, there's a shot from close to straight away and it's clear they're the same height. Maybe Neal is a quarter of an inch taller, obviously that's difficult to detect from the shots we're able to see. But he's definitely not 6-4.

Why bother arguing? Just admit you were wrong and move on. It's not the end of the world.

Nonsense. The shots absolutely point out that Hill and Neal are *NOT* the same height.

[DespЏrado]

That is one of the worst images to compare the height of Neal and Hill that you could ever have. Basing your judgment that the two are the same height on that video is stupid.

From that picture George Hill is slouching. His head is about 1-4 feet closer to the camera, and his head is about an inch higher than Neal in the shot. Neal's shoulders are the same height as George Hill which would indicate Neal is just foreshortened but he could easily be about 1-2 inches taller than Hill.

Edit - at 2:42 look at how Hill's elbow is bent meaning there is a deceptively larger space in between Hill and Neal.
@ 2:45 Neal is closer to Hill in that his arm is now actually touching Hill, and Neal appears taller...

[TD 21]

If Neal were a legit 6-4, he'd be listed at taller than 6-4.

[GSH]

Personally, I think Neal is really 6'7". That solves our SF problem AND puts the thread back on topic.

[Truth4sale$]

So who is bringing the water and towels now that Gee is done?

[The Truth #6]

Ya, I really do not see Hill going anywhere since he is a vital piece of pop's currrent rotation. Hill also is alot of bang of the buck, after all he is only getting paid 1.5 mil and under contract for a couple of more seasons I believe. A trade is not the answer and all we are looking for is a SF who can play 8-10 minutes a night, play average D and maybe hit a couple of open 3pt shots..


I agree with you that Pop isn't going to trade Hill.

My point is more general - I don't think Hill should be untouchable mainly because I don't really see what he offers us specifically. He forces us to play small. He can't run the offense. His confidence is always wavering. Pop puts him on the floor because he always has flashes of potential, but by putting him out there with other guards, he ends up guarding guys like Durant on occasion, which I think is sort of ridiculous. Does he do better than most in those situations? Probably. But I still think he's without a position. Which isn't a problem if he has something tangible that he contributes but every season he gets worse as he gets "better". I'm not sold on him. He is a real slow learner. Hopefully things click for him but more and more I'm becoming less sure he's going to be the player many think he will.

I think the team as is looking very good. If they could find a young quality combo forward who could guard the large/fast forwards in the league, I think we would be even better. That's all I'm saying.

[bigfan]

A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache. :downspin:

God, what a bunch of slugs. Maybe we can find someone off the radar overseas (I hope!)

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What about Ike Diogu?

[Libri]

A good FA list:
http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

Adam Morrison: 2 times NBA champion a great stache. :downspin:

Thanks. I was looking for that FA list.

[TJastal]

I agree with you that Pop isn't going to trade Hill.

My point is more general - I don't think Hill should be untouchable mainly because I don't really see what he offers us specifically. He forces us to play small. He can't run the offense. His confidence is always wavering. Pop puts him on the floor because he always has flashes of potential, but by putting him out there with other guards, he ends up guarding guys like Durant on occasion, which I think is sort of ridiculous. Does he do better than most in those situations? Probably. But I still think he's without a position. Which isn't a problem if he has something tangible that he contributes but every season he gets worse as he gets "better". I'm not sold on him. He is a real slow learner. Hopefully things click for him but more and more I'm becoming less sure he's going to be the player many think he will.

I think the team as is looking very good. If they could find a young quality combo forward who could guard the large/fast forwards in the league, I think we would be even better. That's all I'm saying.

I think your being too harsh on George. Being multi-dimensional isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you're decent at all of those things, which Hill is. He can handle either PG or SG with equal aplomb and has the tools to guard a variety of players effectively.

Besides, who else is going to provide all the things Hill does.. his inferior counterpart was already justly let go (Garret Temple). So... let's see who's left...Chris Quinn? Gary Neal? Matt Bonner?

Hill fills multiple roles on the team and quite effectively as I've already mentioned. Since he can play both guard positions effectively, he can spell both Parker or Manu, thereby keeping there minutes at a reasonable level during the season.

Atm, he's playing well IMO (aside from being in a minor shooting slump, at 36% currently from 47% last year). Despite this, he is getting to the line even more frequently than last year (giving the spurs a 4th guy who can consistently get to the line) and knocking in his free throws at a tremendous 90%+ clip. He's also averaging 3 dimes and a steal per game (which matches his production last year playing 6 less minutes/game.) He's not turning the ball over significantly either.

Hill's confidence will come as he accepts and grows into his new role as a 6th man, a role which I think he will excel at (ala Jason Terry, except better).

[duncan228]

The team has two weeks to sign a 13th player and get its roster up to code, though a move is expected sooner.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/11/16/splitter%e2%80%99s-challenge-learning-nba-refs/

[JR3]

I vote to bring Hairston back.

[Cloud786]

What about Devean George? Good experience and decent defense with a decent shot.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Considering what is being asked of such a player, almost anyone who can move their legs on an NBA floor and shoot an occasional three would be OK.

Agreed.

I was no where near even slightly impressed by Gee.

How 'bout a bold prediction they keep it to 12? you know how tight HoltCat can be with the purse strings.
That or bring in Udoka.

[Gooshie]

What about Devean George? Good experience and decent defense with a decent shot.

F that. This hot girl I was dating left me for him 8 years ago, so I will never be able to root for this guy!

[analyzed]

The spurs should go for SF Thomas Abercombrie who outplayed both Batum and Rudy Fernandez in the recent World championships.

[UnWantedTheory]

Agreed.

I was no where near even slightly impressed by Gee.

How 'bout a bold prediction they keep it to 12? you know how tight HoltCat can be with the purse strings.
That or bring in Udoka.
We have to have a 13th player on the roster.

[Dex]

No way the Spurs bring back Finley. Not after he punked out last season.

Leaving your team to "go to a title contender" cannot be labeled the Spurs way. I don't care if you like your teams chances or not, you don't jump ship of a Top-10 team just so you can buddy up with a Top-3.

If the Spurs allow that front runner to come back, then they are officially off their rocker.

The question that is left is...who?

[DrSteffo]

There goes the season...

[DrSteffo]

God, what a bunch of slugs. Maybe we can find someone off the radar overseas (I hope!)

That would be great but contracts could be an issue.

[Chomag]

Personally, I think Neal is really 6'7". That solves our SF problem AND puts the thread back on topic.

Neal 6'7"? I hope you are not being serious.

[DrSteffo]

Neal can't run or jump with high heels like that

[ShoogarBear]

..

wait . . .

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?????????????????????????

Hokey smokes!


Last post: 09-14-2007, 07:20 PM

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

He really didn't look like an NBA player when he was out there this year. So who is incoming?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I vote to bring Hairston back.

I agree. I thought he showed flashes of capability as a role player.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Nice eyes, Shoog. :tu :)


Agreed.

I was no where near even slightly impressed by Gee.

How 'bout a bold prediction they keep it to 12? you know how tight HoltCat can be with the purse strings.
That or bring in Udoka.

Welcome back. You've been gone a while! :D

[ShoogarBear]

Nice eyes, Shoog. :tu :)


I almost didn't recognize her with all the punctuation, capitalization, and correctly spelled words. :D

[ChumpDumper]

Agreed.

I was no where near even slightly impressed by Gee.

How 'bout a bold prediction they keep it to 12? you know how tight HoltCat can be with the purse strings.
That or bring in Udoka.I believe the Spurs would have to pay a penalty to the league that's pretty much equal to signing a player, so they may as well have the player.

A marginal vet would seem to be the best choice, really -- I mean they aren't employed now so they can't really be making demands about playing time, right? Hayes or Pavlovic or Alan Anderson would be the players I would consider.

[erikuff]

Anyone have thoughts on Joe Alexander? He was recently waived by the Hornets I believe and he's a legit 6'8".

[ceperez]

The Spurs likely need two more players. I highly doubt that Quinn would make the cut.

[Obstructed_View]

Udoka would be a good addition. He's actually pretty good at running the point.

[Texas_Ranger]

What about Damien Wilkins. He is a pretty solid player. Then Flip Murray is still a free agent, but he's small. There is also Trenton Hassell who was once a good defender.

I'd still take Jarvis Hayes. There's really no big SF. Just some smaller shooters that we already have.

[Dalamar_the_Dark]

DeSean Butler.

[dbestpro]

Alexander at 6-8 could play that combo PF/SF. He has a pretty good touch and is a good athelete.

"Alexander was described as the best athlete on paper at the draft (2008) overall, by having the second most number of 185 lb bench reps (24), the second highest max touch (12' ½") and the second fastest ¾ sprint time (2.99 seconds)."

[MaNu4Tres]

7 pages about a player who never played, and about a potential signing who will never play.....

Makes sense :tu

[GSH]

Alexander at 6-8 could play that combo PF/SF. He has a pretty good touch and is a good athelete.

"Alexander was described as the best athlete on paper at the draft (2008) overall, by having the second most number of 185 lb bench reps (24), the second highest max touch (12' ½") and the second fastest ¾ sprint time (2.99 seconds)."


I remember him. I think he started playing basketball as a junior in high school or there about. He was an incredible athlete, but I remember them describing a lot of his basketball skills as "mechanical", and saying that he looked like he was self-taught. I got the impression that he wouldn't be very successful moving without the ball, at the NBA level, and that his shooting stroke probably wouldn't stand up to pressure.

I had looked at the guy, and thought he might be a good project. But maybe with his physical skills he could be taught defense in less time. Still, he sounds like a player that people would be bitching about after about the second game.

[mountainballer]

Alexander has played 160 NBA minutes overall since 2008.
he didn't even look like a potential 3rd stringer for a single second of that few minutes.
Adam Morrison would be a much better idea than Alexander and Morrison already is a pretty bad idea.

[Obstructed_View]

7 pages about a player who never played, and about a potential signing who will never play.....

Makes sense :tu

And one post by someone too stupid to realize that the Spurs go one deep at small forward.

The team has two weeks to add someone to the roster, so it's going to happen one way or another. Due to the Anderson injury, this player's going to get a legitimate chance to contribute, so the choice is fairly important.

[MaNu4Tres]

And one post by someone too stupid to realize that the Spurs go one deep at small forward.

The team has two weeks to add someone to the roster, so it's going to happen one way or another. Due to the Anderson injury, this player's going to get a legitimate chance to contribute, so the choice is fairly important.

Or you're just too stupid to realize that Manu will continue playing back up small forward like he has been.

He goes out of the game at 6 minutes, comes back in at the 2 minute mark for R.J.

Leaving more time for Hill (who was seeing just around 20 minutes a game before Anderson's injury) and leaving more time for Neal at the two spot.

The chances the new signing will take some of Hill and Neal's wing minutes is very unlikely.

Yes Spurs have to sign someone, but they will hardly ever play.

[GSH]

Alexander has played 160 NBA minutes overall since 2008.
he didn't even look like a potential 3rd stringer for a single second of that few minutes.
Adam Morrison would be a much better idea than Alexander and Morrison already is a pretty bad idea.


Moutainballer - you're plugged in with a lot of Euro ball information. Does Pete Mickeal have a buyout that we could swallow? I saw him in a few games and he looked solid enough to me. Was that a fluke?

[Texas_Ranger]

Moutainballer - you're plugged in with a lot of Euro ball information. Does Pete Mickeal have a buyout that we could swallow? I saw him in a few games and he looked solid enough to me. Was that a fluke?

He's small.
And I bet Barcelona pays him a lot.

Next year Nachbar will be free. I hope we'll get him.

[GSH]

He's small.
And I bet Barcelona pays him a lot.

Next year Nachbar will be free. I hope we'll get him.

The problem is, we have to sign a player right now. And that player would ideally be a SF.

As for what he makes, I don't know for certain. I thought it was in the neighborhood of $1M, but I could be wrong. I think he would be a good addition, if he could be bought out. Barcelona knows he's looking at the NBA next season anyway.

The 3M figure in this short article is BS, but there's a reference to him making around 25% of that amount.
http://thehoopsmarket.blogspot.com/2010/07/khimki-also-interested-in-pete-mickeal.html? utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheHoopsMarket+(The+Hoops+Marke t)&utm_content=Google+Reader

[ObiwanGinobili]

We have to have a 13th player on the roster.
yes, but I thought we could fulfill that with a series of 5-day or 2 week contracts?


Nice eyes, Shoog. :tu :)

Welcome back. You've been gone a while! :D

:toast Thanks, good to be back .


I almost didn't recognize her with all the punctuation, capitalization, and correctly spelled words. :D

you bastagde!!
(it's spell check :depressed)


I believe the Spurs would have to pay a penalty to the league that's pretty much equal to signing a player, so they may as well have the player.

A marginal vet would seem to be the best choice, really -- I mean they aren't employed now so they can't really be making demands about playing time, right? Hayes or Pavlovic or Alan Anderson would be the players I would consider.
I'd take Hayes no problem.
God it's so strange to talk about Spurs being over the cap!:lol

[GSH]

The other thing is, Mickeal wants out of Barca. I had to hunt to find this, but I basically the player and the team aren't happy with each other right now. They might be more open to a cash buyout than you think.
http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html

[Mel_13]

The other thing is, Mickeal wants out of Barca. I had to hunt to find this, but I basically the player and the team aren't happy with each other right now. They might be more open to a cash buyout than you think.
http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html

That article is from June 23rd. If you scroll down the page, you will see a link from July 26th announcing an agreement between Mickeal and Barcelona for the 2010-11 season.

Buyouts and other obstacles aside, Mickeal would certainly want guaranteed money for the rest of the season to leave a secure situation in Barcelona. I think the Spurs will be looking to sign someone on a non-guaranteed deal.

[mountainballer]

Moutainballer - you're plugged in with a lot of Euro ball information. Does Pete Mickeal have a buyout that we could swallow? I saw him in a few games and he looked solid enough to me. Was that a fluke?

don't know about a buy out clause. but Barca won't just let him go, no matter what his plans for next year are.
Barca is one of the top teams in Europe and for them only titles count. Pete Mickeal is one of their starters and currently their top scorer.

but yes, he would be a nice signing, if there was a chance. (and considering Anderson was big enough to play back up SF, Mickeal would be as well. he should be about an inch taller than Anderson)

btw. Europe:
if the Spurs in fact look there to buy out a player (very small chance they go that route), Gelabale might be the more realistic option.
Lyon didn't survive the qualifying rounds of the Euroleague and they also had a bad start in the French league. (only 6 games played though)
they might be thinking about changes soon. and Gelabale might be looking for a better situation. I would be more than happy with Gelabale as back up SF.
all pure speculation on my side.

but fact is, whatever happens in Lyon, Spurs will know it first.

[GSH]

That article is from June 23rd. If you scroll down the page, you will see a link from July 26th announcing an agreement between Mickeal and Barcelona for the 2010-11 season.

Buyouts and other obstacles aside, Mickeal would certainly want guaranteed money for the rest of the season to leave a secure situation in Barcelona. I think the Spurs will be looking to sign someone on a non-guaranteed deal.

Read the other link I posted. (here... http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html) Barca screwed him over, and things are not happy between player and team. There's another article that I can't find, but I get the feeling that both sides may be open to a deal.

You're right about the guaranteed money, though. But have you looked at the scrub list of available SF's? Mickeal is somewhat of a known quantity, and more than just a place holder to fill out the mandatory roster size. They're going to be paying somebody the league minimum to fill out the roster. That's the same as a guarantee, since they will spend the money no matter what.

It may not be possible to buy him out. But if they don't think out of the box, we're looking at a best case scenario of Ime Udoka.

[Mel_13]

Read the other link I posted. (here... http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html) Barca screwed him over, and things are not happy between player and team. There's another article that I can't find, but I get the feeling that both sides may be open to a deal.

You're right about the guaranteed money, though. But have you looked at the scrub list of available SF's? Mickeal is somewhat of a known quantity, and more than just a place holder to fill out the mandatory roster size. They're going to be paying somebody the league minimum to fill out the roster. That's the same as a guarantee, since they will spend the money no matter what.

It may not be possible to buy him out. But if they don't think out of the box, we're looking at a best case scenario of Ime Udoka.

I wouldn't agree that it's the same as a guarantee. If they sign someone to a non-guaranteed contract and the guy doesn't work out, they can can cut him and move on to the next player. If they sign someone to a guaranteed deal and he fails, now they have to pay two salaries.

In any event, Mickeal is too important for Barcelona to let him go and he's a 32 year old player who wasn't able to stick with an NBA team when he was much younger. There's really no basis to assume he'd be any better than Udoka/Hayes/Hassell as an NBA player today.

[GSH]

btw. Europe:
if the Spurs in fact look there to buy out a player (very small chance they go that route), Gelabale might be the more realistic option.
Lyon didn't survive the qualifying rounds of the Euroleague and they also had a bad start in the French league. (only 6 games played though)
they might be thinking about changes soon. and Gelabale might be looking for a better situation. I would be more than happy with Gelabale as back up SF.
all pure speculation on my side.

but fact is, whatever happens in Lyon, Spurs will know it first.


I saw him after he came back from the ACL, and he looked a little rough. I take it he made a complete comeback? If he's back to 100%, I'd be happy to see him as backup SF. Especially compared to the other options we appear to be looking at. I think if he had landed somewhere other than Seattle the first time around, he would have gotten more respect. He was definitely capable of some solid backup minutes.

I just hate the thought of picking up a player to fill out the roster size, when we're so thin at SF. I really hope they will go outside and find a player who can contribute. I don't like the idea of wearing guys out playing them out of position for a whole season.

[Bruno]

God, what a bunch of slugs. Maybe we can find someone off the radar overseas (I hope!)

Yeah, most (all?) of these players are really bad. There is a reason why they are without a team.

The SF signed will have to play some rotational minutes. I'm really curious to see who Spurs will sign and if this player will be good enough not to be a liability. Will they sign an expected player like Jarvis Hayes or do they have a surprise name?

Getting a player in Europe will be difficult. Players are under contracts and Spurs can sign on of them without negotiating a buyout with their team. Most teams won't let go a player, who is good enough to play in the NBA, for little or no money. For example, the previously mentioned Pete Mickael is unrealistic.

[dbestpro]

Alexander has played 160 NBA minutes overall since 2008.
he didn't even look like a potential 3rd stringer for a single second of that few minutes.
Adam Morrison would be a much better idea than Alexander and Morrison already is a pretty bad idea.

When given some minutes he has performed. Afterall, this is a 3rd string SF we are looking at.

From wiki:
In a December 7, 2008 Bucks loss to the L.A. Lakers, Alexander led the team in scoring with 15 points. Following the All-Star break, Alexander saw a streak of four consecutive games where he did not play. However, he rebounded in a loss to the Miami Heat by totaling 13 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in 20 minutes of playing time. He averaged 5.8 points for the month of January, the most of his rookie season in a month. In a March 30, 2009 win over the New Jersey Nets, Alexander scored a career high 16 points. Alexander finished the season averaging 4.7 points in his 12.1 minutes per game.

[Mel_13]

When given some minutes he has performed. Afterall, this is a 3rd string SF we are looking at.

From wiki:
In a December 7, 2008 Bucks loss to the L.A. Lakers, Alexander led the team in scoring with 15 points. Following the All-Star break, Alexander saw a streak of four consecutive games where he did not play. However, he rebounded in a loss to the Miami Heat by totaling 13 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in 20 minutes of playing time. He averaged 5.8 points for the month of January, the most of his rookie season in a month. In a March 30, 2009 win over the New Jersey Nets, Alexander scored a career high 16 points. Alexander finished the season averaging 4.7 points in his 12.1 minutes per game.

And at the end of his rookie season, after using the 8th overall pick in the 2008 draft to select him, the Bucks declined to pick up Alexander's option for a third year. IIRC, no player selected that high has ever had his initial rookie contract option declined. He was then traded during his second year to the Bulls, who had no interest in retaining him. Now in his third NBA season, he could do no better than a non-guaranteed contract from the Hornets who waived him without playing him a single minute.

Perhaps he is worth a flyer for some team as a project. He's clearly not ready to step in and play rotational minutes for the Spurs.

[wildbill2u]

After 188 posts on this ridiculous speculation I bet Spurstalk fans are spending mucho more time on this than Pop and the Spurs FO.

After all, we are speculating on who will be the 13th player--essentially a ball boy at the practices--someone who might get 30 minutes of playing time for the season.

[xmas1997]

Get Green. He could be a lock down defender.

[GSH]

Get Green. He could be a lock down defender.

To be a lock down defender, you have to want it really badly. In preseason he didn't seem to want anything badly. No sense of urgency, even when his minutes were getting trimmed in favor of an undrafted rookie.

If he doesn't come in with a lot more want-to than he had in Cleveland, he's going to have a short stay.

[Bruno]

Not a lot choice. I'm curious to see who Spurs will sign.

Jarvis Hayes seems to be the best vet SF. Udoka could also be a decent option.
If spurs want to go with younger players, Joe Alexander, Demetris Nichols or Danny Green could be worth a try.

Props to you, Bruno.

[GSH]

Getting a player in Europe will be difficult. Players are under contracts and Spurs can sign on of them without negotiating a buyout with their team. Most teams won't let go a player, who is good enough to play in the NBA, for little or no money. For example, the previously mentioned Pete Mickael is unrealistic.


Bruno - do you remember when Mickeal first came to Spain and played for Breogan? They held up his salary, and wound up not paying him until the end of the season? He started to leave the team, and got a lot of bad comments from the Spanish media about how he was "only in it for the money"? He played out the season, to prove something about himself, but it left a really bad taste in his mouth.

From what I understand, this latest salary situation with Barca is really not going well. They gave him a small concession with the money, but didn't make him whole. He hasn't exactly been quiet about it, and things supposedly aren't getting any better between him and the team. I know he is really unhappy about it, and I think the team doesn't like the negative comments.

I thought the buyout might cost the Spurs the max that they can give a Euro team without counting against the cap - isn't it $500K? Maybe Barcelona won't let him go at any price, but it would be worth having a look. They will probably want him to play the remainder of the season, no matter what. But sometimes it's better just to part ways. Better to do that with $500K in your pocket than with nothing.

I'm just saying.

[Bruno]

Bruno - do you remember when Mickeal first came to Spain and played for Breogan? They held up his salary, and wound up not paying him until the end of the season? He started to leave the team, and got a lot of bad comments from the Spanish media about how he was "only in it for the money"? He played out the season, to prove something about himself, but it left a really bad taste in his mouth.

From what I understand, this latest salary situation with Barca is really not going well. They gave him a small concession with the money, but didn't make him whole. He hasn't exactly been quiet about it, and things supposedly aren't getting any better between him and the team. I know he is really unhappy about it, and I think the team doesn't like the negative comments.

I thought the buyout might cost the Spurs the max that they can give a Euro team without counting against the cap - isn't it $500K? Maybe Barcelona won't let him go at any price, but it would be worth having a look. They will probably want him to play the remainder of the season, no matter what. But sometimes it's better just to part ways. Better to do that with $500K in your pocket than with nothing.

I'm just saying.

Nope, you're wrong.

Players often complains in Europe about not being paid enough, it's not a big deal there. Players often try to get salary raise unlike in NBA where contracts can't be renegotiated.
Barcelona is the best team in Europe with a lot of money. Mickael is one of their best player. They way rather keep him than getting $500K.

[GSH]

Nope, you're wrong.

Players often complains in Europe about not being paid enough, it's not a big deal there. Players often try to get salary raise unlike in NBA where contracts can't be renegotiated.
Barcelona is the best team in Europe with a lot of money. Mickael is one of their best player. They way rather keep him than getting $500K.


How can I put this, Bruno? I can say with 100% certainty that it is a big deal to him. You have contacts there? Ask.

He wasn't looking for a raise, he was looking to be made whole. Some of the blame should go to his agent. But you can say that the team took advantage, or you can say that they screwed him. Either way, it didn't go over well with Mickeal.

As for them keeping him rather than taking a buyout, you are probably right. My only point was that it is a possibility worth exploring.


Here - for the rest of you on SpursTalk who might be interested in how the money is sometimes handled in the Euro leagues. It's not the perfect world some people would like you to believe in.

This one is about not getting paid until the end of the season: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/mickeal/2009/08/11/good-times-bad-times/ (http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/mickeal/2009/08/11/good-times-bad-times/)

This one is about what happened to him in Barcelona. They didn't gross-up his contract for taxes, and they went from 24% with his old team to 42% with Barca. http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html (http://www.talkbasket.net/news/mickeal-i-will-not-continue-under-these-conditions-3188.html)

[Bruno]

My only point was that it is a possibility worth exploring.


And my only point is that it isn't a realistic option.

It's sure Spurs have nothing to lose at calling Mickael and Barcelona but the anwer will be that he isn't available.

[GSH]

And my only point is that it isn't a realistic option.

It's sure Spurs have nothing to lose at calling Mickael and Barcelona but the anwer will be that he isn't available.


You know a lot, Bruno - but you don't know every damn thing. Are there reasons why Barca might take a buyout for Mickeal? How about these:

The economy in Spain is going to hell in a handbasket. (Like Greece.)
The basketball team is part of the FC Barcelona family.
FC Barcelona has a net debt of 442 Million Euro, as of a June audit. Their management cites "structural defects".
FC Barcelona lost 79 Million Euro last year.
FC Barcelona didn't pay their players in June, and had to borrow money to pay salaries.
The basketball team's name sponsor, Regal, is an insurance company that is in trouble.
Regal is the Spanish subsidiary of Liberty Mutual. Liberty Mutual is suggesting that they drop their basketball sponsorship.
If Regal does pull out as sponsor, Barca will have immediate cash problems. It could happen at the end of this season.
The club's average attendance is about 5,800 per game, which is about half of teams like Maccabi Tel Aviv.


Barca is a money loser, and they can't automatically count on FC Barcelona to carry them anymore. Their 5,800 spectators per game isn't enough to justify the salaries they are carrying. Next year, they will have a smaller payroll.

Maybe you don't think it matters that they borrowed money to pay salaries, and that the economy got a lot worse after they took the loan. Maybe it's a French thing, because most people do think it matters.

Gee... maybe a $500K buyout, and getting rid of one big salary isn't totally out of the question.

[Bruno]

It's nice to see you defending so hard your opinion.

Saying that, a couple of days ago, Barcelona, the basketball part, has added Joe Ingles to their team. To get him, they have given 425K€, that is to say $575K, to his former team. It's difficult to get a better proof than that that your theory about Barcelona and Mickael is wrong.

[ShoogarBear]

Props to you, Bruno.

That's straight out of the timvp playbook.

[Bruno]

That's straight out of the timvp playbook.

:lol
Yep, it is even if timvp would have "Damn I hate you timvp for always being right".

[Spurs Brazil]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/11/sources-alonzo-gee-close-to-re.html#comments

Alonzo Gee rejoins Wizards, Lester Hudson waived [UPDATED]
By Michael Lee
The Wizards have completed a somewhat startling reunion, as the team has brought back swingman Alonzo Gee, according to multiple league sources. In order to make the move possible, the Wizards waived reserve point guard Lester Hudson.


Ready for another Gee thing? (AP Photo) Gee spent part of last season with the Wizards, moving from a 10-day contract player to a starter, before making a surprising decision to bolt for San Antonio after his second 10-day contract expired. Gee averaged 7.4 points and 3 rebounds in 11 games and was well-liked by teammates and members of the coaching staff. Coach Flip Saunders was optimistic that Gee would stick around for the rest of the season after he scored a career-high 19 points in a game against Charlotte.

Gee decided to sign with the Spurs, who were familiar with the 6-foot-6 forward because Gee had spent most the year with San Antonio's Developmental League affiliate, the Austin Toros. The Wizards offered Gee an opportunity to stay for the rest of last season, but the Spurs won him over with the promise of some guaranteed money through this season. He was with the Spurs during the playoffs and participated in summer league.

San Antonio waived Gee last week, making him a free agent after he scored a total of two points in five games. The Wizards always remained high on Gee, who provides energy, hustle and intensity. He had 13 points and 10 rebounds in a game against Denver last March. Gee also is just 23 and fits with the team's rebuilding-with-youth efforts.

The Wizards had 15 players under contract, which means they would have to release someone. Hudson was on a non-guaranteed contract and struggled in his rare time on the court this season, going 0-for-9 from the field with two points and six assists in five games.

Gee received a non-guaranteed deal with the Wizards, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. The team would have until early January to determine whether or not to keep him for the rest of the season. The source added that Gee's signing is not related to the health of Josh Howard, who has yet to play this season while recovering from left knee surgery. Howard is still on schedule to come back some time in December.
By Michael Lee | November 22, 2010; 10

[ShoogarBear]

Gee Wiz.

[duncan228]

Gee: Signing with Spurs was 'big decision' (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2010/11/tuesday-morning-brew-1.html)
By Michael Lee
Washington Post

Alonzo Gee understood that there was some risk when he decided to leave Washington after his second 10-day contract to join a playoff contender in San Antonio.

With the Wizards, Gee was assured playing time on an injury-ravaged and inexperienced team. But with the Spurs, Gee was presented the opportunity for some guaranteed money this season and the chance to learn how NBA champions like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker prepare for their craft.

"It was a big decision," Gee said on Monday after rejoining the Wizards when his stint with the Spurs ended with him getting waived last week. "I thought about it, because going to the Spurs, they was going to the playoffs. It was giving up playing time and sitting. I had to think about it."

Looking back on it all turned out, it's easy to say that Gee made a mistake, since he possibly could've used extended playing time in Washington to secure a guaranteed contract somewhere. But Gee saw the benefit in going to San Antonio. "Just how they approach the game, how everything is serious, everything is family like," he said. "It's just a great organization."

Gee just never got an opportunity to play, which led him back to the first organization that provided him an NBA platform. "I didn't know what was going on. But like I said, I'm glad to be here," Gee said. "It's over with and I got to get ready for the game" against Philadelphia on Tuesday.

Gee's decision to leave upset members of the Wizards' coaching staff, including Flip Saunders, who quickly became a fan of Gee's energy and hustle. He averaged 7.4 points and 3.0 rebounds in 11 games, scoring a career-high 19 points in his last game with the team.

His departure created an opportunity for Cartier Martin to replace him and eventually make the team this season. But when Gee cleared waivers last Thursday, the Wizards wasted little time in going after the 6-foot-6 swingman. Although Gee was signed to a non-guaranteed deal, Saunders hinted that Gee could be around for a while.

"We like what he did, his ability to get out in the open floor, really run, help defend. So I think he's a good match with the people that we have. He gives us something that we really don't have," Saunders said about Gee. "This is a situation, a guy that we liked. When you look in the future, you look to take guys that have a chance to be with you, whether it's this year, next year or the year after. I think a guy that we can develop in how we want to play, that he can fit in that role."

Gee may have taken a protracted route back to Washington, but he was all smiles on Monday. "It's good to be back in the system. Young players and we feel like we're going to get some stuff done here. It should be a lot of fun. They run, they move the ball and they looking to pass and they can score. It should be a good time."