ESPN's Simmons: Nash+ Grant Hill for TParker

[Darthkiller]

http://twitter.com/SportsGuy33

[ajballer4]

Stupid

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Bill usually says some pretty smart things. This is NOT one of them.

[Creation88]

he's the same guy that likened Schaub, Foster, and Andre Johnson to Aikman, Emmitt, and Irvin. he's a moron even though most people don't like to think so.

[TDMVPDPOY]

you do this if you wanan screw parker

cause arizona is also where shaqs ex wife filed a divorce on his ass cause of the 50/50 split laws there, she became instant rich with one play...

[itzsoweezee]

Bill usually says some pretty smart things.

unfortunately, the smart things are far outweighed by the idiotic things. at least he likes basketball, which is more than i can say for pretty much any other sports journalist. he's just not very knowledgeable.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I didn't see anything about a Parker trade on that Twitter...

[NASpurs]

Sounds like he's just screwing around with the whole Eva/Nash thing.

[Hooks]

I no see nothing

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[redzero]

Is Nash's wife included in the deal?

[The Truth #6]

unfortunately, the smart things are far outweighed by the idiotic things. at least he likes basketball, which is more than i can say for pretty much any other sports journalist. he's just not very knowledgeable.

Not very knowledgeable? He wrote an 800 page best selling book on basketball. I think he has some knowledge.

It seems like a dumb trade and he's probably just trying to get attention. But if our title hopes are really just this year...I don't think this trade would be outright horrible. We'd get a great backup small forward and a very talented point guard who could help us this year. Hard to say if would help or hurt our title chances this year. Could go either way. It would probably cost too much.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Although this is a bullshit trade idea.. I wish Nash plays for the Spurs some day. Classy player, a treat to watch and deserves to win a ring someday.

[Bender]

is he the guy that writes those funny draft night blogs?

[gospursgojas]

Although this is a bullshit trade idea.. I wish Nash plays for the Spurs some day. Classy player, a treat to watch and deserves to win a ring someday.

Divorced wife the day his kid was born

[VBM]

Although this is a bullshit trade idea.. I wish Nash plays for the Spurs some day. Classy player, a treat to watch and deserves to win a ring someday.

Nash & Bonner's defense would lead to many :bang:bang:bang moments

[NZ Spurs]

Simmons is not really a comedian and not really a sports journalist... Fuck knows what he is?

[mystargtr34]

Divorced wife the day his kid was born

Who is that in your sig?

[Dex]

That sounds great. Then while we're taking up bad ideas, we can all go and punch ourselves in the nuts / babymakers.

[gospursgojas]

Who is that in your sig?

Ines Sainz of course

[crc21209]

:lol Hell no...

[Spursfanfromafar]

Divorced wife the day his kid was born

So? All I care about is his ability on the pick and roll, assist ability, clutch performance, shooting percentage and passable defense... His personal life (within legality) is of no consequence to this sports fan.

[intlspurshk]

Replace G Hill by Dudley and the trade could be studied. SPURS can throw in a young player to make the trade looks more fair to both side

[eyeh8u]

man do i dislike this guy, the personification of douche

[gospursgojas]

So? All I care about is his ability on the pick and roll, assist ability, clutch performance, shooting percentage and passable defense... His personal life (within legality) is of no consequence to this sports fan.

You mentioned him being classy as a reason you would like to see him as a Spur. Now you don't care?

ok

[UnWantedTheory]

A 36 year old with back problems & a 38 year old? back up for TP? No. Couple of years ago maybe.

[gospursgojas]

A 36 year old with back problems & a 38 year old? back up for TP? No. Couple of years ago maybe.

Agreed.

You dont trade away the best player on your team, to whom you just gave a 4 yr contract

[UnWantedTheory]

Agreed.

You dont trade away the best player on your team, to whom you just gave a 4 yr contract
What is funny is that some are actually entertaining the idea of getting older and more injury prone than we already are.

[Chachachango]

lol stupid. if this trade happens I'll cut my wrist open in front of the Alamo.

[SenorSpur]

This is only believable if somehow Eva Longoria has replaced R.C. Buford as Spurs GM.

[Cane]

It'd be a cold day in hell before Phoenix ships out Steve Nash to San Antonio.

I like the trade for San Antonio though. Gives the Spurs its best defensive perimeter player since Bruce Bowen in Grant Hill, he'd also be a great backup SF which the Spurs don't really have.

Steve Nash is a much better shooter and passer than Parker, and in this new San Antonio Suns offense he'd thrive. There's also been so many times when guys like Richard Jefferson were wide open for an alley oop or on the fast break, Nash would help get a lot of easy points.

Parker is playing pretty well but c'mon this trade nets you a starting PG thats also a better shooter/passer especially for an uptempo system and it gives the Spurs a good defensive and even offensive backup SF. However Nash wouldn't help with defense but Hill would.

Almost a steal but this is just fantasy anyway.

[ATXSPUR]

It'd be a cold day in hell before Phoenix ships out Steve Nash to San Antonio.

I like the trade for San Antonio though. Gives the Spurs its best defensive perimeter player since Bruce Bowen in Grant Hill, he'd also be a great backup SF which the Spurs don't really have.

Steve Nash is a much better shooter and passer than Parker, and in this new San Antonio Suns offense he'd thrive. There's also been so many times when guys like Richard Jefferson were wide open for an alley oop or on the fast break, Nash would help get a lot of easy points.

Parker is playing pretty well but c'mon this trade nets you a starting PG thats also a better shooter/passer especially for an uptempo system and it gives the Spurs a good defensive and even offensive backup SF. However Nash wouldn't help with defense but Hill would.

Almost a steal but this is just fantasy anyway.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p123/FFantasygrl/Joker/joker1.jpg

[Cane]

http://seemslegit.com/_images/7f7fe7d855a2f20c00983d4a162ccfc2/2390%20-%20batman%20beetlejuice%20joker%20movies%20serious %20tv.jpg

I would heavily consider the trade though, seems to help the Spurs unless Nash and Hill run into Richard Jeffferson season 1 growing pains :toast

[in2deep]

Nash is disintegrating as we speak. No thanks.

[thispego]

Replace G Hill by Dudley and the trade could be studied. SPURS can throw in a young player to make the trade looks more fair to both side

:lmao

[Chomag]

I'm still all for trading Parker if the right deal is available. This isn't one.

[hater]

All Sun players look like shit. Have you been watching the last few games??

[vander]

that would be sweet, what other old guys could we trade for while we're at it, we could be the all-old-guys team

[Mal]

This is only believable if somehow Eva Longoria has replaced R.C. Buford as Spurs GM.

Eva would send Tony to Minnesota or Canada

[99-03-05-07]

why would we want nash?? he can't take his team to the finals.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm still all for trading Parker if the right deal is available. This isn't one.

This whole scandal has brought your stupidity to new heights.

[Chomag]

This whole scandal has brought your stupidity to new heights.

Umm ok, explain then instead of acting like a 3 year old?

I said this would not be a good trade, how is that stupidity?



(edit) I did not say trade Parker now. If you actually read and stop acting like a spoiled Child you would have seen that I said I'm for trading Parker if there is something worth trading him for. So I'm sorry if that hit your nerve. People have their opinions and if you don't respect others then your own, why the hell are you on a Forum?

[z0sa]

Nash+ Grant Hill for TParker


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Spurs Brazil]

By Bill Simmons
ESPN.com

5. SAN ANTONIO



Preseason Prediction: 49 wins (6th)
Revised Prediction: 50 wins



My vote for Least Shocking Sports Story of 2010: "Handsome French point guard breaks up with his aging actress wife who he never got to see that much; she claims he cheated on her." I thought Parker would be on Celebrity Wife No. 3 by now. You know why? He's French! Everyone has mistresses in France! Cheating on your wife in France is about as controversial as eating cheese. Throw in Parker's NBA DNA and it's amazing that he didn't make Tiger's saga look like child's play by comparison. Would you leave your wife alone with Tony Parker? I don't even like when my wife is one of 15,000 people in the Staples Center when the Spurs are in town. Anyway, I can't imagine Parker's personal troubles would affect a Duncan/Popovich foundation. If Stephen Jackson couldn't shake them, nothing can.



Lost in San Antonio's terrific start, Parker's soap opera, Manu Ginobili's inspired comeback, Richard Jefferson's bid to become the oldest player ever to win a "Comeback Player of the Year" award and the 350,000 people who Googled "Gary Neal" during a Spurs game this season: four college seasons, 987 regular-season games, 170 playoff games and over 42,000 career minutes are finally adding up for the great Tim Duncan. Unless he starts doing HGH and doping his blood cells like Kobe Bryant, his 14-year run of All-NBA teams will be coming to an end this season. Yet he could quit tomorrow and still go down as the best power forward ever. Everything else is gravy.



Reason No. 14,734 I love the NBA: All the Lakers fans who just flipped out over seeing the Kobe reference in the previous paragraph. I was just kidding. Although an HGH/blood-doping scandal with Kobe remains my No. 1 pick in any "Non-Boston Sports Wish" fantasy draft, narrowly edging a Manny Pacquiao-Kelly Pavlik fight and Donald Sterling selling the Clippers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/week11picks/part2

[Xylus]

All Sun players look like shit. Have you been watching the last few games??

The Suns have only looked like shit for 2 games, largely because we're missing our only big man and our star player's pelvis hurts.

[ObiwanGinobili]

Would you leave your wife alone with Tony Parker? I don't even like when my wife is one of 15,000 people in the Staples Center when the Spurs are in town. :lmao

But seriously - I would never ever consider trading TP for a guy 1 decade older and about 5 mins of decent playing ability left in his career.
This trade would be a good idea until about 1/2 way thru the rodeo road trip.

[Xylus]

I think it's hilarious when people act like Tony Parker is better than Steve Nash. Dude's 36 and hasn't shown a single sign that he's slowing down. Saying that Nash is breaking down or disintegrating is just wishful thinking.

[UnWantedTheory]

By Bill Simmons
ESPN.com

5. SAN ANTONIO



Preseason Prediction: 49 wins (6th)
Revised Prediction: 50 wins



My vote for Least Shocking Sports Story of 2010: "Handsome French point guard breaks up with his aging actress wife who he never got to see that much; she claims he cheated on her." I thought Parker would be on Celebrity Wife No. 3 by now. You know why? He's French! Everyone has mistresses in France! Cheating on your wife in France is about as controversial as eating cheese. Throw in Parker's NBA DNA and it's amazing that he didn't make Tiger's saga look like child's play by comparison. Would you leave your wife alone with Tony Parker? I don't even like when my wife is one of 15,000 people in the Staples Center when the Spurs are in town. Anyway, I can't imagine Parker's personal troubles would affect a Duncan/Popovich foundation. If Stephen Jackson couldn't shake them, nothing can.



Lost in San Antonio's terrific start, Parker's soap opera, Manu Ginobili's inspired comeback, Richard Jefferson's bid to become the oldest player ever to win a "Comeback Player of the Year" award and the 350,000 people who Googled "Gary Neal" during a Spurs game this season: four college seasons, 987 regular-season games, 170 playoff games and over 42,000 career minutes are finally adding up for the great Tim Duncan. Unless he starts doing HGH and doping his blood cells like Kobe Bryant, his 14-year run of All-NBA teams will be coming to an end this season. Yet he could quit tomorrow and still go down as the best power forward ever. Everything else is gravy.



Reason No. 14,734 I love the NBA: All the Lakers fans who just flipped out over seeing the Kobe reference in the previous paragraph. I was just kidding. Although an HGH/blood-doping scandal with Kobe remains my No. 1 pick in any "Non-Boston Sports Wish" fantasy draft, narrowly edging a Manny Pacquiao-Kelly Pavlik fight and Donald Sterling selling the Clippers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/week11picks/part2
:lol

[ohmwrecker]

Umm ok, explain then instead of acting like a 3 year old?

Because you are not basing your willingness to trade Parker on anything other than your belief that he is an immoral person. It's not a basketball decision for you. You are having a knee jerk reaction to a personal issue of which you have no knowledge or insight to. It's all about judgment for people like you. You all seem to think you have some divine insight as to how everyone else should live their lives. You are the supremest form of hypocrite.

I don't expect people in the sports/entertainment industry to live like saints. It's naive and foolish to be disappointed when a professional athlete does not live up to some arbitrary standard that you have.

All I care about is how these guys play on the court. If he has the support of the organization and his teammates (and I can't fathom why he would not), then that is good enough for me.

[Blackjack]

Y'all do know this was a throwaway comment made on Twitter, right?

[angelbelow]

I think it's hilarious when people act like Tony Parker is better than Steve Nash. Dude's 36 and hasn't shown a single sign that he's slowing down. Saying that Nash is breaking down or disintegrating is just wishful thinking.

Hill+Nash+Sun medical staff for Parker and we may have something.

[JustinJDW]

Honestly, the trade isn't as bad as people think it is. It's not like Nash isn't still a great PG. Arguably a Top 5 PG. Hell, some people, analysts and experts have him over Parker. And Grant Hill would be a great back-up to RJ, and would be a great addition to our Bench.

Plus, Grant Hill's contract expires this Season and Nash's contract expires next Season along with Duncan. So we would have more than enough cap to sign a big time free agent.

Now of course, this will never happen. The Suns and Spurs trading their star players to each other? Psh, yeah right. But I just want people to know that its not as bad as people are exaggerating it to be. In fact, our team would be pretty damn good with Nash and Hill.

[Chomag]

Because you are not basing your willingness to trade Parker on anything other than your belief that he is an immoral person. It's not a basketball decision for you. You are having a knee jerk reaction to a personal issue of which you have no knowledge or insight to. It's all about judgment for people like you. You all seem to think you have some divine insight as to how everyone else should live their lives. You are the supremest form of hypocrite.

I don't expect people in the sports/entertainment industry to live like saints. It's naive and foolish to be disappointed when a professional athlete does not live up to some arbitrary standard that you have.

All I care about is how these guys play on the court. If he has the support of the organization and his teammates (and I can't fathom why he would not), then that is good enough for me.

Ok dude, not sure how me saying "I'm still all for trading Parker if the right deal is available. This isn't one." warranted all of this but if I really hit your nerve I am sorry. You are adding things that I have not said, and I have said Parker might be a good trade option to use for the right deal before this current situation even happened. I never once said that I am divine and perfect, if you think thats how I feel then I am sorry, I just have an opinon on it, and thats all.

You really need to just get over yourself. If your talking about something I said on another thread then. Yes, I have my own opinions as do you, and everyone else and I respect that. I was not the one that tried to do silly cheap shots at someone (calling them stupid) just becuase you do not agree with it. It's pretty childish. Grow up, this is not grade school. If you have a problem on something I said on another thread then by all means quote me there but please dont try to bring it on another thread when I havnt.

You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, it's all good.

[ohmwrecker]

You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, it's all good.

Since you provided no reasonable Tony Parker trade scenario that makes any kind of basketball sense, I am left to assume that you are basing this belief on your judgment of him as a person from your comments on, forgive me . . . another thread.
I can also only assume that one who passes moral judgment on people they don't know with no solid information or understanding of the situation is speaking with a delusional, self-perceived piety. These are, admittedly, assumptions.
So, brother . . . if I got it wrong, I apologize.

[Chomag]

Since you provided no reasonable Tony Parker trade scenario that makes any kind of basketball sense, I am left to assume that you are basing this belief on your judgment of him as a person from your comments on, forgive me . . . another thread.
I can also only assume that one who passes moral judgment on people they don't know with no solid information or understanding of the situation is speaking with a delusional, self-perceived piety. These are, admittedly, assumptions.
So, brother . . . if I got it wrong, I apologize.

I never said they must trade him so yes I am not going to give out any fantasy trades of any kind on him. Please read for once. "I'm still all for trading Parker if the right deal is available. This isn't one"

I reply to this thread saying this not a good trade. I didn't even say or start this thread. I said this is a bad trade idea and you think I'm attacking TParker... I just don't get it. You do realize that there might not even be any deal out there to trade Parker for right? I do.

It's usless if you arnt going to even read so lets just drop it ok?

[ohmwrecker]

I never said they must trade him so yes I am not going to give out any fantasy trades of any kind on him. Please read for once. "I'm still all for trading Parker if the right deal is available. This isn't one"

I reply to this thread saying this not a good trade. I didn't even say or start this thread. I said this is a bad trade idea and you think I'm attacking TParker... I just don't get it. You do realize that there might not even be any deal out there to trade Parker for right? I do.

It's usless if you arnt going to even read so lets just drop it ok?

I don't think you are understanding me. Let me explain.

I did read it. You are "all for" trading Parker. I have to ask myself . . . why? He is playing great and the team is winning. It makes no basketball sense to be for trading him. The core of this team has won three championships together. Keeping them together provides the best shot at a fourth. There is no reason to be for a Parker trade, unless you just don't like him as a person. Which, imo, is just silly.

Consider it dropped.

[ChuckD]

Honestly, the trade isn't as bad as people think it is. It's not like Nash isn't still a great PG. Arguably a Top 5 PG. Hell, some people, analysts and experts have him over Parker. And Grant Hill would be a great back-up to RJ, and would be a great addition to our Bench.

Plus, Grant Hill's contract expires this Season and Nash's contract expires next Season along with Duncan. So we would have more than enough cap to sign a big time free agent.

Now of course, this will never happen. The Suns and Spurs trading their star players to each other? Psh, yeah right. But I just want people to know that its not as bad as people are exaggerating it to be. In fact, our team would be pretty damn good with Nash and Hill.

It's a horrible trade, no matter how you slice it. You don't trade Tony Parker for fucking cap room.

Don't be so fucking anxious to tear it down and rebuild. It took Chicago like 8-9 years just to make the playoffs again after Jordan. We have our principles under contract for another 3-4 years, other than Tim, and I think he will come along for the ride. Phil Jackson is riding off into the sunset, Miami appears soft and disfunctional, and Boston is as old as everyone says we are. Spurs could cop another ring or two before it's over.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

I like the trade for San Antonio though. Gives the Spurs its best defensive perimeter player since Bruce Bowen in Grant Hill, he'd also be a great backup SF which the Spurs don't really have.

If Grant Hill at 38 is as good as Bruce Bowen at 38, he sucks. Bruce lost major steps that last year. We don't need more old, injury prone players, particularly if it costs us a player that is 10 years younger (and finally healthy again). Why would Pop and RC shit away a key part of the team's "corporate knowledge" at at time when the team is hitting on all cylinders, and with the knowledge that this could very well be Tim's last year if there is a lockout next year?

This is the dumbest trade idea I've heard of in a long time, and I can't believe I just wasted five minutes of my life actually thinking about it.

[angel_luv]

Nash has serious skills and I like Grant Hill, so for those reasons, the rumor makes me think, " Merry Christmas to us!" The advantage with Tony is his already established on court chemistry with the other Spurs, but Nash would fit in nicely and quickly, I think.

George Hill is doing great for us and I would relish seeing him mentored by Nash in the ways of the game.

Nash is old but is still playing great. And his age is not a longterm concern to me because I view Hill as a key part of the Spurs future.

The only real disappointment for me if this trade went through is that Tony's dad would likely no longer be a regular in the restaurant where I work in the arena. Mr. Parker senior is one of the most cordial and kind of my restaurants guest; It would be sad to see him go.

Tony Parker is definitely an asset as a point guard. I can see Phoenix seriously considering him.

Interesting.

[ducks]

nash assist is down this year
has a groin injury already this year
nash is going down hill
tp is much younger and better player

[Mel_13]

nash assist is down this year
has a groin injury already this year
nash is going down hill
tp is much younger and better player

relax ducks, this was just a joke by Simmons.

[DPG21920]

nash assist is down this year
has a groin injury already this year
nash is going down hill
tp is much younger and better player

Nash assist down, but
At least he cares enogh fore temmate
to only increase his "steals" ON THE COURTZ

[Mel_13]

Nash assist down, but
At least he cares enogh fore temmate
to only increase his "steals" ON THE COURTZ

:lol

well played.

[Agloco]

It's a horrible trade, no matter how you slice it. You don't trade Tony Parker for fucking cap room.


This.

[jestersmash]

Nash assist down, but
At least he cares enogh fore temmate
to only increase his "steals" ON THE COURTZ

http://www.senia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/swish.jpg

:lol

[ducks]

nash is out again for suns

[DrSteffo]

If Grant Hill at 38 is as good as Bruce Bowen at 38, he sucks. Bruce lost major steps that last year. We don't need more old, injury prone players, particularly if it costs us a player that is 10 years younger (and finally healthy again). Why would Pop and RC shit away a key part of the team's "corporate knowledge" at at time when the team is hitting on all cylinders, and with the knowledge that this could very well be Tim's last year if there is a lockout next year?

This is the dumbest trade idea I've heard of in a long time, and I can't believe I just wasted five minutes of my life actually thinking about it.

This. I only wasted 2 min but still sucks.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

unfortunately, the smart things are far outweighed by the idiotic things. at least he likes basketball, which is more than i can say for pretty much any other sports journalist. he's just not very knowledgeable.


Simmons is not really a comedian and not really a sports journalist... Fuck knows what he is?

I'm not suggesting Simmons is everyone's cup of tea (he has plenty of haters), but I'll tell you what he is - a big picture thinker and an interesting pattern associator. What Simmons' brain does beautifully is see associations between sports, pop culture and everyday life that most people don't think of themselves, but when they read him they go "awww, yeah, hell, why didn't I think of that?" And although not a comedian, he's a very humourous writer at times... if you are on his wavelegnth.


http://seemslegit.com/_images/7f7fe7d855a2f20c00983d4a162ccfc2/2390%20-%20batman%20beetlejuice%20joker%20movies%20serious %20tv.jpg

I would heavily consider the trade though, seems to help the Spurs unless Nash and Hill run into Richard Jeffferson season 1 growing pains :toast

I wouldn't because, although very basketball-smart, Nash/Hill are likely to encounter first-year growing pains with the Spurs as just about every player does (Nazr being the one exception I can think of off the top of my head). And at 36 and 38, why would we trade our franchise PG, a guy who knows our system inside out, and is playing his best year since 2007?

Nope. #tradefail.