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Yonivore
11-28-2010, 10:43 AM
...surveillance program the Obama administration used to catch this jihadist.

FBI thwarts terrorist bombing attempt at Portland holiday tree lighting, authorities say (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_thwarts_terrorist_bombing.html)


According to the FBI affidavit, the case began in August 2009 when Mohamud was in e-mail contact with an unindicted associate overseas who was believed to be involved in terrorist activities.
Sounds familiar...hmmm.

I wonder if the press will get curious enough to inquire about whether or not there was a FISA warrant to monitor this jihadist's e-mails. Or, as I suspect, did the Obama administration do precisely what you idiot railed about for months in here; catch a stateside jihadist while monitoring a foreign account.

Frankly, I don't care. I'm glad he's caught. But, this is not how the story would have read during the Bush administration -- it would have been all about the methods and little about the outcome.

clambake
11-28-2010, 10:56 AM
your love affair with this thief is creepy.

Yonivore
11-28-2010, 11:23 AM
Looks like Portland was saved in spite of itself.

Politically correct Portland rejected feds who saved city from terrorist attack (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2010/11/politically-correct-portland-rejected-feds-who-saved-city-terrori)


In 2005, leaders in Portland, Oregon, angry at the Bush administration's conduct of the war on terror, voted not to allow city law enforcement officers to participate in a key anti-terror initiative, the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. On Friday, that task force helped prevent what could have been a horrific terrorist attack in Portland. Now city officials say they might re-think their participation in the task force -- because Barack Obama is in the White House.
:lmao I hope the citizens of Portland duly reward their leaders for the partisanship that placed them in danger.

boutons_deux
11-28-2010, 11:35 AM
Certainly sounds like the FBI entrapped the guy, induced him into the bombing.

The question would this kid ever been able to do anything without the FBI's help?

Now if only the FBI were going after pay-day/lending/mortgage/white-collar/financial crimes with the same intense resources, since those crimes have done/do/will do much more damage than a kid's bomb ever will.

ChumpDumper
11-28-2010, 01:17 PM
Yoni proves he doesn't know how FISA works.

boutons_deux
11-28-2010, 02:10 PM
" Mr. Mohamud was then placed on a watch list and stopped at the Portland airport in June 2010 when he tried to fly to Alaska for a summer job.

Later in June, aware of Mr. Mohamud’s frustrated attempts to receive training as a jihadist overseas, an undercover agent first made contact with him, posing as an associate of the man in Pakistan. On the morning of July 30, the F.B.I. first met with Mr. Mohamud in person to initiate the sting operation.

The revelation adds fuel to the fire of critics who argue the FBI's sting operation manufactured -- rather than stopped -- a domestic terrorist."

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/fbi-stopped-bomb-suspect-taking-job/

Sounds like the FBI, off the PR headlines lately, trumped up a sting to promote "It's All About The FBI", not about security or real threats.

Winehole23
11-28-2010, 02:42 PM
The FBI successfully thwarts its own Terrorist plot (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/28/fbi/index.html)

By Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/author/glenn_greenwald/index.html)






The FBI is obviously quite pleased with itself over its arrest of a 19-year-old Somali-American, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, who -- with months of encouragement, support and money from the FBI's own undercover agents -- allegedly attempted to detonate a bomb at a crowded Christmas event in Portland, Oregon. Media accounts (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/us/28portland.html?pagewanted=1) are almost uniformly trumpeting this event exactly as the FBI describes it. Loyalists of both parties are doing the same, with Democratic Party commentators proclaiming (http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_11/026814.php) that this proves how great and effective Democrats are at stopping The Evil Terrorists, while right-wing polemicists (http://michellemalkin.com/2010/11/27/just-another-bomb-plotting-jihadist-yelling-allahu-akbar/) point to this arrest as yet more proof that those menacing Muslims sure are violent and dangerous.





Continue reading (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/11/28/fbi/index.html)


What's missing from all of these celebrations is an iota of questioning or skepticism. All of the information about this episode -- all of it -- comes exclusively from an FBI affidavit (http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/USAFFIDAVIT.pdf) filed in connection with a Criminal Complaint against Mohamud. As shocking and upsetting as this may be to some, FBI claims are sometimes one-sided, unreliable and even untrue, especially when such claims -- as here -- are uncorroborated and unexamined. That's why we have what we call "trials" before assuming guilt or even before believing that we know what happened: because the government doesn't always tell the complete truth, because they often skew reality, because things often look much different once the accused is permitted to present his own facts and subject the government's claims to scrutiny. The FBI affidavit -- as well as whatever its agents are whispering into the ears of reporters -- contains only those facts the FBI chose to include, but omits the ones it chose to exclude. And even the "facts" that are included are merely assertions at this point and thus may not be facts at all.


It may very well be that the FBI successfully and within legal limits arrested a dangerous criminal intent on carrying out a serious Terrorist plot that would have killed many innocent people, in which case they deserve praise. Court-approved surveillance and use of undercover agents to infiltrate terrorist plots are legitimate tactics when used in accordance with the law.


But it may also just as easily be the case that the FBI -- as they've done many times in the past (http://www.truth-out.org/article/guy-lawson-the-fear-factory) -- found some very young, impressionable, disaffected, hapless, aimless, inept loner; created a plot it then persuaded/manipulated/entrapped him to join, essentially turning him into a Terrorist; and then patted itself on the back once it arrested him for having thwarted a "Terrorist plot" which, from start to finish, was entirely the FBI's own concoction. Having stopped a plot which it itself manufactured, the FBI then publicly touts -- and an uncritical media amplifies -- its "success" to the world, thus proving both that domestic Terrorism from Muslims is a serious threat and the Government's vast surveillance powers -- current and future new ones -- are necessary.


There are numerous claims here that merit further scrutiny and questioning. First, the FBI was monitoring the email communications of this American citizen on U.S. soil for months (at least) with what appears to be the flimsiest basis: namely, that he was in email communication with someone in Northwest Pakistan, "an area known to harbor terrorists" (para. 5 of the FBI Affidavit). Is that enough to obtain court approval to eavesdrop on someone's calls and emails? I'm glad the FBI is only eavesdropping with court approval, if that's true, but certainly more should be required for judicial authorization than that. Communicating with someone in Northwest Pakistan is hardly reasonable grounds for suspicion.


Second, in order not to be found to have entrapped someone into committing a crime, law enforcement agents want to be able to prove that, in the 1992 words of the Supreme Court (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/90-1124.ZO.html), the accused was "was independently predisposed to commit the crime for which he was arrested." To prove that, undercover agents are often careful to stress that the accused has multiple choices, and they then induce him into choosing with his own volition to commit the crime. In this case, that was achieved by the undercover FBI agent's allegedly advising Mohamud that there were at least five ways he could serve the cause of Islam (including by praying, studying engineering, raising funds to send overseas, or becoming "operational"), and Mohamud replied he wanted to "be operational" by using exploding a bomb (para. 35-37).


But strangely, while all other conversations with Mohamud which the FBI summarizes were (according to the affidavit) recorded by numerous recording devices, this conversation -- the crucial one for negating Mohamud's entrapment defense -- was not. That's because, according to the FBI, the undercover agent "was equipped with audio equipment to record the meeting. However, due to technical problems, the meeting was not recorded" (para. 37).



Thus, we have only the FBI's word, and only its version, for what was said during this crucial -- potentially dispositive -- conversation. Also strangely: the original New York Times article (http://www.google.com.br/#hl=en&biw=1366&bih=547&q=new+york+times+That+meeting+was+not+recorded+due +to+a+technical+difficulty.&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=833238570ae01901) on this story described this conversation at some length and reported the fact that "that meeting was not recorded due to a technical difficulty," but the final version omitted that (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/28/us/28portland.html?hp), instead simply repeating the FBI's story as though it were fact: "undercover agents in Mr. Mohamud’s case offered him several nonfatal ways to serve his cause, including mere prayer. But he told the agents he wanted to be 'operational,' and perhaps execute a car bombing."


Third, there are ample facts that call into question whether Mohamud's actions were driven by the FBI's manipulation and pressure rather than his own predisposition to commit a crime. In June, he attempted to fly to Alaska in order to work on a fishing job he obtained through a friend, but he was on the Government's no-fly list. That caused the FBI to question him at the airport and then bar him from flying to Alaska, and thus prevented him from earning income with this job (para. 25).



Having prevented him from working (http://my.firedoglake.com/teddysanfran/2010/11/27/fbi-blocked-mohamuds-employment-prospects/), the money the FBI then pumped him with -- including almost $3,000 in cash for him to rent his own apartment (para. 61) -- surely helped make him receptive to their suggestions and influence. And every other step taken to perpetrate this plot -- from planning its placement to assembling the materials to constructing the bomb -- was all done at the FBI's behest and with its indispensable support and direction.



It's impossible to conceive of Mohamud having achieved anything on his own. Before being ensnared by the FBI, the only tangible action he had taken was to write three articles (http://gawker.com/5700200/) on "fitness and jihad" for the online magazine Jihad Recollections. At least based on what is known, he had no history of violence, no apparent criminal record, had never been to a training camp in Afghanistan, Pakistan or anywhere else, and -- before meeting the FBI -- had never taken a single step toward harming anyone. Does that sound like some menacing sleeper Terrorist to you?


Finally, there is, as usual, no discussion whatsoever in media accounts of motive. There are several statements attributed to Mohamud by the Affidavit that should be repellent to any decent person, including complete apathy -- even delight -- at the prospect that this bomb would kill innocent people, including children. What would drive a 19-year-old American citizen -- living in the U.S. since the age of 3 -- to that level of sociopathic indifference? He explained it himself in several passages quoted by the FBI, and -- if it weren't for the virtual media blackout of this issue -- this line of reasoning would be extremely familiar to Americans by now (para. 45):


Undercover FBI Agent: You know there's gonna be a lot of children there?
Mohamud: Yeah, I know, that's what I'm looking for.
Undercover FBI Agent: For kids?
Mohamud: No, just for, in general a huge mass that will, like for them you know to be attacked in their own element with their families celebrating the holidays. And then for later to be saying, this was them for you to refrain from killing our children, women . . . . so when they hear all these families were killed in such a city, they'll say you know what your actions, you know they will stop, you know. And it's not fair that they should do that to people and not feeling it.
And here's what he allegedly said in a video he made shortly before he thought he would be detonating the bomb (para. 80):
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/TPJcWM5RpKI/AAAAAAAACvE/or0ELVqdEHg/s400/moha1moud.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/TPJcWM5RpKI/AAAAAAAACvE/or0ELVqdEHg/s1600/moha1moud.png) http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/TPJqv11w3hI/AAAAAAAACvM/anwzpLEzqiw/s400/mohamoud2.png (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MnYI3_FRbbQ/TPJqv11w3hI/AAAAAAAACvM/anwzpLEzqiw/s1600/mohamoud2.png)
We hear the same exact thing over and over and over from accused Terrorists (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/22/terrorism) -- that they are attempting to carry about plots in retaliation for past and ongoing American violence against Muslim civilians and to deter such future acts. Here we find one of the great mysteries in American political culture: that the U.S. Government dispatches its military all over the world -- invading, occupying, and bombing multiple Muslim countries -- torturing them, imprisoning them without charges, shooting them up at checkpoints, sending remote-controlled drones to explode their homes, imposing sanctions that starve hundreds of thousands of children to death -- and Americans are then baffled when some Muslims -- an amazingly small percentage -- harbor anger and vengeance at them and want to return the violence.



And here we also find the greatest myth in American political discourse: that engaging in all of that military aggression somehow constitutes Staying Safe and combating Terrorism -- rather than doing more than any single other cause to provoke, sustain and fuel Terrorism.

Yonivore
11-28-2010, 03:07 PM
All about intent, Winehole.

Winehole23
11-28-2010, 03:27 PM
You stressed the danger. There seems to have been very little.

Yonivore
11-28-2010, 03:29 PM
You stressed the danger. There seems to have been very little.
Thanks to the program that detected and neutered him.

Winehole23
11-28-2010, 04:16 PM
Thanks to the program that groomed him for the job at considerable public expense, then gave him a fake bomb.

Spurminator
11-28-2010, 07:22 PM
Keep fear alive!

Spurminator
11-28-2010, 07:27 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_to_aid_investigation_into_arson_fire_at_corval lis_mosque.html


Agents with the Federal Bureau of Investigation have been called in to aid the investigation into an arson fire at the Corvallis mosque where Portland bomb plot suspect Mohamed Osman Mohamud sometimes attended.

The fire at the Salman Alfarisi Islamic Center was discovered by an on-duty police sergeant at about 2:15 a.m. today. It took firefighters 10 minutes to put it out and it damaged about 80 percent of the office it was contained to. No one was injured.

Sunday afternoon, U.S. Attorney Dwight Holton and Art Balizan, FBI special agent in charge for Oregon, visited the Corvallis Islamic center.

FBI spokeswoman Beth Anne Steele said it's standard for the agency to become involved in attacks on religious groups, but that the possible connection between the fire and the arrest of Mohamud makes their involvement even more important.

"The FBI would not tolerate any retaliation on the Muslim community as a result of that arrest," Steele said. "We have an ongoing relationship with the Muslim leaders
in Corvallis. This is of high concern to them."

Steele said she could not say if the fire is related to Mohamud's arrest.

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $10,000 for information that leads to the identification, arrest and conviction of the person or people responsible for the fire.

Earlier today, Yosof Wanly, the imam at the center, said no decision had been made about whether to increase security at the two-story building north of the Oregon State University campus. "That will be up to the leadership," he said.

The FBI also released this statement from Balizan:

"We have made it quite clear that the FBI will not tolerate any kind of retribution or attack on the Muslim community," Balizan said. "We are working very closely with the leadership at the mosque. We will find the person responsible for this attack and bring the full force of the federal justice system to bear. In the meantime, the FBI remains absolutely committed to protecting each and every American's right to live, work and worship in a free and safe society."

The FBI will join the Corvallis Police Department in investigating this case.

Just don't call the arsonists Islamophobic, they hate that.

ChumpDumper
11-29-2010, 05:03 AM
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2010/11/fbi_to_aid_investigation_into_arson_fire_at_corval lis_mosque.html



Just don't call the arsonists Islamophobic, they hate that.Where was Wild Cobra when this went down?