Dirk Nowitzki is still the best player in the league

[YoungB]

9 straight, bitches

[sefant77]

0 rings faggots!

[poop]

Rofl

[Agloco]

9 straight, bitches

Champs. Strong work.

[Ghazi]

Dirk's shootin 55.3% through 20 games this year. Just incredible for a perimeter player... hell it'd be good for a low post player.

wonder if he can sustain it..

[Amarelooms]

Dirk's shootin 55.3% through 20 games this year. Just incredible for a perimeter player... hell it'd be good for a low post player.

wonder if he can sustain it..

Wonder if your mom can sustain sucking on these balls dummy....pedar sag

God bless son

:elephant

[Agloco]

Dirk's shootin 55.3% through 20 games this year. Just incredible for a perimeter player... hell it'd be good for a low post player.

wonder if he can sustain it..

I think we all know the answer to that. Surely that was rhetorical in nature.

[mystargtr34]

LeBron James tbh

[frodo]

Dirk's shootin 55.3% through 20 games this year. Just incredible for a perimeter player... hell it'd be good for a low post player.

wonder if he can sustain it..

depend on whether you wife can sustain it imho.

[Bipolar Bob]

Dirk is one of those HOF players who will never win a championship.

[Ghazi]

Dirk is one of those HOF players who will never win a championship.

:rolleyes

[dbreiden83080]

That's like saying Charles Barkley is best player of all time...

[dbreiden83080]

Dirk is one of those HOF players who will never win a championship.

Never but a HOF who had a great career.. To me he is on par with someone like Ewing..

[GoodOdor]

getting into the basketball hall of fame doesn't mean jack, especially if you're an international player

It doesn't mean jack for someone like manu who will only get in because of his b-league international play, but dirk is a certified mvp HOF NBA player.

[dbreiden83080]

getting into the basketball hall of fame doesn't mean jack, especially if you're an international player

Can't believe i am defending Dirk

But he made a finals and has great career stats. So that is a NBA career good enough for the HOF..

You can't have guys like

Ewing
Barkley
Malone
Wilkins

In and keep Dirk out

[dbreiden83080]

It doesn't mean jack for someone like manu who will only get in because of his b-league international play, but dirk is a certified mvp HOF NBA player.

I agree

Don't like Dirk but i agree

[Jacob1983]

Said it before and will say it again, Dirk has won a game(two actually) in the Finals. Lebron has not.

[dbreiden83080]

Said it before and will say it again, Dirk has won a game(two actually) in the Finals. Lebron has not.

What does Lebron have to do with Anything? Ths Spurs were ten times the team the Cavs were. Mavs were as good as the Heat at least..

[Jacob1983]

It has to do with everything in the universe. Not really, I just like to bring it up and see what the Lebron nut huggers have to say about it. I mean if he is the best player in the NBA and the next MJ, then why didn't the Cavs win at least 1 game in the Finals?

[dbreiden83080]

It has to do with everything in the universe. Not really, I just like to bring it up and see what the Lebron nut huggers have to say about it. I mean if he is the best player in the NBA and the next MJ, then why didn't the Cavs win at least 1 game in the Finals?

Lebron is about as close to MJ as Dominique Wilkins is..

[Killakobe81]

Dirk is the best player so far this year ... he is not better than kobe or Lebron IMHO ...but this season he is playing better.

[Darkwaters]

It doesn't mean jack for someone like manu who will only get in because of his b-league international play, but dirk is a certified mvp HOF NBA player.

Yea, because hes never done anything in the NBA. :rolleyes

You realize it's not the NBA Hall of Fame, but the Basketball Hall of Fame. Manu is the only player to ever win the big three of NBA Finals, Euroleague finals and Olympic Gold.

Go troll elsewhere. It's looks like a tired venture on you.

[dbreiden83080]

Manu stat wise is nowhere near a NBA HOF but he was a star player on 3 title teams and with all his international play


yeah he likely gets in..

[Killakobe81]

Lebron is about as close to MJ as Dominique Wilkins is..

True enough. Lebron i think has the talent to have surpassed MJ but I doubt he does ...he still has time but it is slipping ....

[Jacob1983]

Dirk is closer to Larry Bird than Lebron is to MJ. I know Dirk has no rings but Dirk is one of the best big shooting men in NBA history.

[GoodOdor]

Yea, because hes never done anything in the NBA. :rolleyes

You realize it's not the NBA Hall of Fame, but the Basketball Hall of Fame. Manu is the only player to ever win the big three of NBA Finals, Euroleague finals and Olympic Gold.

Go troll elsewhere. It's looks like a tired venture on you.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[dbreiden83080]

True enough. Lebron i think has the talent to have surpassed MJ but I doubt he does ...he still has time but it is slipping ....

You gotta figure the best window for Lebron to win titles are ages 25-32. So he has no rings and needs 5 or 6 to be there with MJ all time.. I'd say 5 or 6 rings in the next 7 or 8 years are quite the longshot..

[Fpoonsie]

Best offensive player, hands down.

All-around, prolly top 3.

[Darkwaters]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

http://hippiekiller.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/troll.jpg

[Killakobe81]

You gotta figure the best window for Lebron to win titles are ages 25-32. So he has no rings and needs 5 or 6 to be there with MJ all time.. I'd say 5 or 6 rings in the next 7 or 8 years are quite the longshot..

agree 100% and agree odds are against it but he has that kind of physical gifts ...


Dirk I dont know if he is the best offensive player though he is in the discussion I still think melo is probably that ... but shooter most definitely it's dirk

[TDfan2007]

Wonder if your mom can sustain sucking on these balls dummy....pedar sag

God bless son

:elephant

:lol Where'd you learn that term?

But to address the OP...no. He's arguably the best offensive player in the game. Unfortunately, there's this thing called defense, and Dirk's not very good at it. He's not as bad as he's made out to be, just not good. Still though...the guy shoots unblockable contested jumpers like they're layups. Beautiful stroke.

But seriously, can someone tell me how a jumpshooter takes about 10 FTAs a game? I'm baffled at this point...

[dirk4mvp]

Obviously they came up with a new rule that someone shooting a jumpshot can't be fouled, especially when it's the guy with the hardest to defend shot in the league.

great take, spur fan :tu

[badfish22]

Tim Duncan shows no emotion...
http://media.metronews.ca/images/0e/bb/b385ecf44b70880ebb523acbebef.jpeg


He can't hit 3's either...
http://www.nba.com/media/tduncan_300_080419.jpg

[badfish22]

But seriously, can someone tell me how a jumpshooter takes about 10 FTAs a game? I'm baffled at this point...

But tbh the refs just love the Mavericks and Mark Cuban and gift Dirk 10 Free throws every game even though he doesn't deserve them.

[dirk4mvp]

Groundhog Day

[Ghazi]

dirk averaging less than 6 ft's per game this year

fail imo

[TDfan2007]

Dirk is closer to Larry Bird than Lebron is to MJ. I know Dirk has no rings but Dirk is one of the best big shooting men in NBA history.

:idiot

Larry Bird was an incredible basketball player, on all levels. He was as good/better than Dirk at rebounding, an incredible passer, leader, and teammate. The only way Dirk compares to Larry Bird is in skin tone and shooting touch. Otherwise, it's not even close. Hell, Larry even had a better post game than Dirk...

[ElNono]

First/second round fodder...

[TDfan2007]

dirk averaging less than 6 ft's per game this year

fail imo

Oops, my bad. Probably shoulda looked that one up...

[badfish22]

First/second round fodder...

I hope you don't think the Spurs are any thing better :lol

[Ghazi]

First/second round fodder...

:blah:blah:blah

[badfish22]

Oops, my bad. Probably shoulda looked that one up...

He rapedPERIOD

[ElNono]

I hope you don't think the Spurs are any thing better :lol

Does it matter? We're talking about Dirk here...

[badfish22]

Does it matter? We're talking about Dirk here...

lol avoiding

[ElNono]

lol avoiding

lol 'still best player in the league' that 'still hasn't won shit for his team'...

[Ghazi]

lol butthurt el Nono

[dirk4mvp]

manu fans always get the most asspained when the discussion is about Dirk :lol

[badfish22]

:cry Spurs are goin to da ship this year I swear

[ElNono]

lol butthurt el Nono


lol avoiding

[badfish22]

manu fans always get the most asspained when the discussion is about Dirk :lol

good thing its like 5 AM in Nazi sympathy land or DAF would be in here slobbin some knob

[Ghazi]

:cry :cry

[ElNono]

manu fans always get the most asspained when the discussion is about Dirk :lol

This is a thread about Dirk... didn't say a word about Manu.

[ElNono]

lol charlie brown kicks football

[TDfan2007]

Obviously they came up with a new rule that someone shooting a jumpshot can't be fouled, especially when it's the guy with the hardest to defend shot in the league.

great take, spur fan :tu

I know a lot of guys in this league aren't the brightest, but I'm pretty sure they know to avoid fouling a guy on a fadeaway jumper time after time. I'd say the FTA's are more to to his ability to draw fouls/embelish contact than anything that opposing players are doing.

And yes, someone shooting a jumpshot can be fouled, but it doesn't happen very often. That's why coaches/fans get all riled up when it does.

Sarcasm fail.

[badfish22]

lol charlie brown kicks football

Its funny because mav fan knows that the Mavs are likely to be kicked out early in the playoffs while spurfan is upstairs buying finals tickets.

[dirk4mvp]

I know a lot of guys in this league aren't the brightest, but I'm pretty sure they know to avoid fouling a guy on a fadeaway jumper time after time. I'd say the FTA's are more to to his ability to draw fouls/embelish contact than anything that opposing players are doing.

And yes, someone shooting a jumpshot can be fouled, but it doesn't happen very often. That's why coaches/fans get all riled up when it does.

Sarcasm fail.

this stupid post after realizing Dirk is taking 6 ft's per game? Nice one brah.

[dirk4mvp]

This is a thread about Dirk... didn't say a word about Manu.

lol manu

[Ghazi]

crucify em / TREE of WOE

[Jacob1983]

How many winning seasons have the Mavs had with Dirk? How many Finals appearances have the Mavs had with Dirk? How many 50 win seasons have the Mavs had with Dirk? Without Dirk, the Mavs would be the Expos of the NBA.

[TDfan2007]

this stupid post after realizing Dirk is taking 6 ft's per game? Nice one brah.

Just checked his FTAs per game in the last couple of years and they're all around 7. I was wrong. Don't know why I thought they were higher...maybe because he always takes so many against the Spurs.

:toast

[HarlemHeat37]

Nowitzki doesn't really get as many calls as people think, when you compare him to other star players..

Kobe is the gold standard for jump shooting phantom fouls, and Dirk doesn't come close..you can say the same about Durant..84% off Kobe's shot attempts are jump shots outside the paint, yet he somehow draws 8 free throws a game..85% of Durant's shot attempts are jump shots, yet he draws 9 free throws a game..Nowtizki has 85% to 6 FTAs..

If you look at it from a career standpoint, the difference is even more significant..

Dirk gets his superstar calls, but he has never been on the phantom level of guys like Kobe and Durant..

As for the Spurs and Mavs, I'd be shocked if either is 1st round fodder, and they're the only 2 in the West that could potentially give LA a run..

[sefant77]

Nowitzki doesn't really get as many calls as people think, when you compare him to other star players..

Kobe is the gold standard for jump shooting phantom fouls, and Dirk doesn't come close..you can say the same about Durant..84% off Kobe's shot attempts are jump shots outside the paint, yet he somehow draws 8 free throws a game..85% of Durant's shot attempts are jump shots, yet he draws 9 free throws a game..Nowtizki has 85% to 6 FTAs..

If you look at it from a career standpoint, the difference is even more significant..

Dirk gets his superstar calls, but he has never been on the phantom level of guys like Kobe and Durant..



this

and if he takes it to the basket he gets hacked and fouled a lot more without getting the call just because he is 7-0...

[Budkin]

Dirk's awesome, what can you say. But he's not a leader, and that's why he'll never win a championship.

[Budkin]

lol charlie brown kicks football

:lmao so true. Remember 06-07. They were unbeatable in the regular season.

[024]

best scorer yes. don't know about best player.

[MavFan6488]

Dirk's awesome, what can you say. But he's not a leader, and that's why he'll never win a championship.
no he isn't.

the guy named dirk who led the mavs to the finals in '06 is not the dirk we're talking about right now.

also the dirk who leads his team in scoring almost every night since 2001 isn't the dirk we're talking about here..

this dirk right here will never be a leader, because he never was :rolleyes:rolleyes

in term of dirks efficiency: lol @ dwight howard almost having the same FG% as dirk, even though he scores most of his buckets on dunks and hook shots around the basket..and dirk is fading away on one leg around the freethrow line most of the time lol

[H Town]

Dallas has one thing going for them, the hot women that is plagued all over Dallas and their surrounding towns...

[Mel_13]

Dirk's shootin 55.3% through 20 games this year. Just incredible for a perimeter player... hell it'd be good for a low post player.

wonder if he can sustain it..

Indeed.

7' SG.

:rolleyes

[Mike-in-brazil]

Dallas has one thing going for them, the hot women that is plagued all over Dallas and their surrounding towns...

thats perspective also i think Houston got em...so your being nice lol

why do u all create threads like this early in the season?....maybe ask
Dirk Nowitzki is the best player in this season so far...

i see this topic wrong on so many levels....u said STLL<----lol@that

u said the League<----lol@that

u said best player<-----lmao@that one u shoulda said top or division or position not best player overall..time must prove this not current

last but not least u stated and not asked....

NO !!!!! he is not the best player...u need defense...leadership...clutch...high IQ...etc year after year ...Dirk doesnt pass everyone in the league just with those catagories

[Cry Havoc]

There has never been a "best player in the league" who didn't know how to play good defense.

Dirk is amazing and an MVP candidate but he's still a liability on defense, which means there's no way he's the best player in the league.

[Shank]

There has never been a "best player in the league" who didn't know how to play good defense.

Dirk is amazing and an MVP candidate but he's still a liability on defense, which means there's no way he's the best player in the league.

Had a huge block to help seal the win last night. He's the weak link, yes, but he's not terrible.

[Cry Havoc]

Had a huge block to help seal the win last night. He's the weak link, yes, but he's not terrible.

If he were a very good player on defense (maybe even a B or a B+), it would really help him. But as it stands, he's a C+ at best defensively from what I've seen. Hard for me to see him as an A+ player when he's got that big of a hole in his game. No disrespect, he's the best offensive player in the league IMO, but man, if he committed to being a great player on D he'd really shoot up on the list of all-time greats. Not sure if he's got the physical tools to excel on defense though.

[Rummpd]

Dirk is closer to Larry Bird than Lebron is to MJ. I know Dirk has no rings but Dirk is one of the best big shooting men in NBA history.



Dirk is great but he is no Larry Bird -
Bird was tough, a true leader, and made championship deciding plays. Dirk needs at least one championship to ever be considered a true all time superstar, right now all is a scoring machine who has had stacked teams that always have come up short.

[MavFan6488]

Dirk is great but he is no Larry Bird -
Bird was tough, a true leader, and made championship deciding plays. Dirk needs at least one championship to ever be considered a true all time superstar, right now all is a scoring machine who has had stacked teams that always have come up short.
josh howard, jason terry and dampier is what you call stacked?

[tdunk21]

dirk no"rings"ki is not the best........................

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

josh howard, jason terry and dampier is what you call stacked?

:lol

[Budkin]

no he isn't.

the guy named dirk who led the mavs to the finals in '06 is not the dirk we're talking about right now.

also the dirk who leads his team in scoring almost every night since 2001 isn't the dirk we're talking about here..

this dirk right here will never be a leader, because he never was :rolleyes:rolleyes

in term of dirks efficiency: lol @ dwight howard almost having the same FG% as dirk, even though he scores most of his buckets on dunks and hook shots around the basket..and dirk is fading away on one leg around the freethrow line most of the time lol

I'm not talking about leading the team in scoring. I'm talking about the kind of leader who makes everyone around him better. The kind of leader who will not wilt under pressure, and when the chips are down will strap his team on his back and carry them to victory.

That might happen with Dirk on and off through the regular season, but it's been proven over and over that that magic isn't there in the playoffs, when it's all on the line. Something is glaringly absent for him there.

[Ace]

Nowitzki doesn't really get as many calls as people think, when you compare him to other star players..

Kobe is the gold standard for jump shooting phantom fouls, and Dirk doesn't come close..you can say the same about Durant..84% off Kobe's shot attempts are jump shots outside the paint, yet he somehow draws 8 free throws a game..85% of Durant's shot attempts are jump shots, yet he draws 9 free throws a game..Nowtizki has 85% to 6 FTAs..

If you look at it from a career standpoint, the difference is even more significant..

Dirk gets his superstar calls, but he has never been on the phantom level of guys like Kobe and Durant..

As for the Spurs and Mavs, I'd be shocked if either is 1st round fodder, and they're the only 2 in the West that could potentially give LA a run..

Harlem with the goods…

[MavDynasty]

dirk no"rings"ki is not the best........................

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lol:lol:l ol:lol:lol:lol:lol:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rol lin:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I get it!:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao Dirk has no rings!:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MavDynasty]

Harlem with the goods…

[Killakobe81]

Nowitzki doesn't really get as many calls as people think, when you compare him to other star players..

Kobe is the gold standard for jump shooting phantom fouls, and Dirk doesn't come close..you can say the same about Durant..84% off Kobe's shot attempts are jump shots outside the paint, yet he somehow draws 8 free throws a game..85% of Durant's shot attempts are jump shots, yet he draws 9 free throws a game..Nowtizki has 85% to 6 FTAs..

If you look at it from a career standpoint, the difference is even more significant..

Dirk gets his superstar calls, but he has never been on the phantom level of guys like Kobe and Durant..

As for the Spurs and Mavs, I'd be shocked if either is 1st round fodder, and they're the only 2 in the West that could potentially give LA a run..


Dont disagree completely ...but if you watch the games, Durant and Kobe are much beter than dirk at initiating contact on their jumpshots. Durant does the same Kobe swim through move that draws contact. all supertars get calls, so drawing lines is bullshit. Kobe and durant are also volume shooters so of course they are gonna get more FTA attempts per game Dirk is more efficient as a shooter. To just look at FTA attempts per game is pretty asinine if you do not also include the number of FGAs ...
Kobe and durant go in to the contact a great deal, dirk fades on his shot much more than Kobe and way more than durant.
if you are fading away from contact, you are less likely to draw a foul than if you go straight up or jump in to defender ...

[DPG21920]

Except the Spurs/Mavs will play each other in the first or second round.

[DAF86]

good thing its like 5 AM in Nazi sympathy land or DAF would be in here slobbin some knob

I'm always up at that hour on sundays, just usually not in front of my PC.

[kamikazi_player]

This is a thread about Dirk... didn't say a word about Manu.

lol, end of the story for Mav fans
:lmao Mav fans getting butthurt when we criticize Dirk

[dirk4mvp]

tbh I don't think anyone notices your posts so nobody would be getting butthurt when you criticize Dirk.

[kamikazi_player]

Didn't even criticize him, some people did and most of you got butthurt.
lol still butthurt mav fan

[kamikazi_player]

*:cry Don't make fun of my Dirk, don't even criticize him or I'll get my buddies to help :cry*

[dirk4mvp]

Didn't even criticize him,

wouldn't notice if you did.

[kamikazi_player]

:sleep

[dirk4mvp]

per the usual.

[YoungB]

Women need to know when to keep their mouths shut, tbh.

[jag]

For one year I'd take Dirk over Kobe, Lebron, Gasol and Durant. I'd probably take Dwight Howard's no offense having ass over Dirk but that's mainly because he's a better fit on the Spurs.

Oh, and I'd take Manu over Dirk. Only because I've never seen David West walk up and touch his face.
























Oh, shit!!

[cobbler]

Nowitzki doesn't really get as many calls as people think, when you compare him to other star players..

Kobe is the gold standard for jump shooting phantom fouls, and Dirk doesn't come close..you can say the same about Durant..84% off Kobe's shot attempts are jump shots outside the paint, yet he somehow draws 8 free throws a game..85% of Durant's shot attempts are jump shots, yet he draws 9 free throws a game..Nowtizki has 85% to 6 FTAs..

If you look at it from a career standpoint, the difference is even more significant..

Dirk gets his superstar calls, but he has never been on the phantom level of guys like Kobe and Durant..

As for the Spurs and Mavs, I'd be shocked if either is 1st round fodder, and they're the only 2 in the West that could potentially give LA a run..

So you are whining and pulling your Kobe obsession into an argument because he gets one more call a game than Dirk? WOW. You also failed to point out that both Kobe and Durant average 4 and 2 more shots per game respectively. And what about the nature of their shots? You can simply attribute the extra foul they get by the fact they have learned to quickly swing their arms trough opposing players extended arms on their jumshots while Dirk primarily falls away and is about as quick as you grandmother doing so. If that isn't good enough then maybe you sould consider that both players are more mobile than Dirk and will tend to get more off screen fouls or a number of other scenarios that can easily explain the 2 gargantuan free throws more a game a lot better than your obsessive jealous rantings.

The one astronomical shooting foul difference is more a matter of how each player plays the game and their skill sets with their shot selection rather than anything to do with phantom calls. What a lame argument. But considering the source...

[YoungB]

Tbh I'm not sure what Christopher Reeves is rambling about, Kobe does get a lot of phantom calls on jumpers.

[TD 21]

Nowitzki doesn't really get as many calls as people think, when you compare him to other star players..

Kobe is the gold standard for jump shooting phantom fouls, and Dirk doesn't come close..you can say the same about Durant..84% off Kobe's shot attempts are jump shots outside the paint, yet he somehow draws 8 free throws a game..85% of Durant's shot attempts are jump shots, yet he draws 9 free throws a game..Nowtizki has 85% to 6 FTAs..

If you look at it from a career standpoint, the difference is even more significant..

Dirk gets his superstar calls, but he has never been on the phantom level of guys like Kobe and Durant..

As for the Spurs and Mavs, I'd be shocked if either is 1st round fodder, and they're the only 2 in the West that could potentially give LA a run..

You can bring up all the numbers you want, it's the caliber of the calls, though, and there is no stat for that. Only the eye test suffices.

I hate Bryant as much as anyone and there's no question he get's a lot of superstar calls, but at least he's one of the fifteen best players of all-time, a five time champion and, in the past, at least, got a lot of his calls going to the basket. It doesn't make it right, but that's par for the course when you take that into account.

Who the hell is Nowitzki? Future Hall-of-Famer, no question, but I mean in the grand scheme of things, is he ever going to be mentioned amongst the greatest players of all-time? No matter how many people slobber over him or how many relatively meaningless regular season points he piles up, the answer is no. On top of that, he's never been known to be consistently aggressive or attacking. A lot of his shots are mid post fade and fallaways. There is no good explanation for the amount of respect he get's.

[badfish22]

lol TD 21 not getting taken seriously by anyone.

[jag]

Who the hell is Nowitzki? Future Hall-of-Famer, no question, but I mean in the grand scheme of things, is he ever going to be mentioned amongst the greatest players of all-time? No matter how many people slobber over him or how many relatively meaningless regular season points he piles up, the answer is no. On top of that, he's never been known to be consistently aggressive or attacking. A lot of his shots are mid post fade and fallaways. There is no good explanation for the amount of respect he get's.

He'll go down as one of the best shooters of all time. Considering he's a 7-footer, that's unheard of. There's never been a player his size with his skill set. The Mavs haven't won any titles, but they have been one of the best teams of the past decade, and it's because of Dirk.

[dirk4mvp]

is he ever going to be mentioned amongst the greatest players of all-time?

He's a top 50 player ever, so sure he is.

[cobbler]

He'll go down as one of the best shooters of all time. Considering he's a 7-footer, that's unheard of. There's never been a player his size with his skill set. The Mavs haven't won any titles, but they have been one of the best teams of the past decade, and it's because of Dirk.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[BlairForceDejuan]

9 straight, bitches


0 rings faggots!

:rollin

[dirk4mvp]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

it's kind of disrespectful that kori won't get a lmao icon without any legs to accurately portray yourself, tbh.

[badfish22]

it's kind of disrespectful that kori won't get a lmao icon without any legs to accurately portray yourself, tbh.

He should have gone with the :rollin, imho

[cobbler]

it's kind of disrespectful that kori won't get a lmao icon without any legs to accurately portray yourself, tbh.

Perhaps when she adds one she can supply and "0 for life" icon to accurately portray your team and fanbase too! :toast

[DPG21920]

Cobbler taking a massive dump all over ST. GOAT.

[cobbler]

Nice basketball take DPG! Keep up the good work!

[Ghazi]

lol ass pains

[DPG21920]

Huh, I was agreeing with you?????

[Killakobe81]

yall lay off cobbler ...

Dudes in wheel charirs are strong as hell up top ...

My guess? he would choke most of spurs talk the fuck out, much like a strong MMA ground fighter ....

You wanna go night, night ni$$a?!

[jag]

it's kind of disrespectful that kori won't get a lmao icon without any legs to accurately portray yourself, tbh.

I immediately stared laughing...it's so fucked up.

[Ghazi]

we staaaaaaaaaacked

[DPG21920]

What I don't get is why everyone hates Cobbler. I mean, he is a clearly a classy, funny & dedicated poster.

He knew we couldn't survive without his stupendous basketball insights. So despite being a man of his word, he broke his word (by returning), even though he explicitly said he was leaving.

He is just that kind of a guy. And even though he is routinely getting made fun of, picked on and defiled, he keeps soldiering on to provide his ground breaking takes.

I just wish there was more I could do to be like him.

[cobbler]

What I don't get is why everyone hates Cobbler. I mean, he is a clearly a classy, funny & dedicated poster.

He knew we couldn't survive without his stupendous basketball insights. So despite being a man of his word, he broke his word (by returning), even though he explicitly said he was leaving.

He is just that kind of a guy. And even though he is routinely getting made fun of, picked on and defiled, he keeps soldiering on to provide his ground breaking takes.

I just wish there was more I could do to be like him.

Well, you could never be like me since that would require more success than you have alloted time to accomplish.

Never broke my word. Said I was leaving yes. Never said forever or gave any sort of time frame. Nice try though.

Made fun of and picked on? Awwww I am so hurt and devestated that you children have nothing better than to resort to wheelchair smack. It's just crumbling my ego and self worth. Whatever shall I do? :lol

[DPG21920]

Courageous. Even though he is incessantly mocked, he tries to teach.
Open-Minded. He never loses his cool. His only focus is great takes.
Basketball Genius. Gold medal. Nuff said.
Believer. He believes his purpose on ST supersedes the daily mocking.
Leader. He leads us to a place where knowledge of the game reigns supreme.
Exemplary. The class of takes. We only strive to reach his level.
Rings. He has them.

[HarlemHeat37]

I didn't want to extend the argument, but I guess I will have to..

- First of all, the "swinging arm" motion is overplayed..it happens what, once a game?..the fact that Kobe and Durant have established this "motion" just adds to the phantom fouls they receive..refs now assume that it's always a foul when they try it, and a lot of the time, it isn't..if anybody watched the Lakers vs. Grizzlies game, the first offensive possession for the Lakers was Kobe doing his "swinging arm motion" on Xavier Henry, Henry got 100% ball, yet the ref gave Kobe the instant whistle, just assuming he got fouled, which happens very often..

Nowitzki's height and the way he shoots gives him just as much of an advantage at drawing free throws..I would say defenders are much more likely to hit him on the wrist or the hands in an attempt to contest the shot, since it's so difficult to defend against, from a stylistic standpoint..

- Gobbler's argument about coming off screens is false..Kobe has drawn 0% of his free throw attempts coming off screens this season..

In fact, looking into it, it further proves the difference..

29% of Kobe's offense comes in 1 on 1 situations..he draws fouls on 13% of his iso possessions, most of them jump shots, the highest % of fouls drawn of any of his situational possessions..

Nowitzki only draws 7% of his fouls in iso situations, and spends significantly less time running iso plays for jump shots..


The majority of Nowitzki's FTs actually come in post-up situations..this season, posting up has been Dirk's main offensive weapon..24% of his offense has come in post-ups, and he draws fouls on 14% of them, the 2nd highest amount of any situational possession, other than cutting in the paint..



Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from cutting to the basket..Kobe only draws fouls on 8% of his cuts in the paint, while Dirk draws free throws on 17% of his cuts in the paint..


Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from offensive rebounds(only 2%), yet Dirk draws free throws on 20% of them in the paint, while Kobe's is 14%..

Looking at the numbers, it's pretty evident that Nowitzki draws a lot more fouls in the paint, which is generally where fouls are drawn, obviously..

- My point wasn't necessarily that you have to compare them in a heads-up argument..it's not as easy to compare them due to the difference in usage..

However, when you look at peak years and compare Kobe to other high-usage players like Lebron and Wade, it's pretty amazing to see how many fouls Kobe draws from jump shots, compared to those guys that have to work primarily in the paint for their free throws..

Kobe is the gold standard for touch fouls and phantom fouls on jump shots..

[Ghazi]

tl;dr

cliffnotes: we staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked

[DPG21920]

Well, you could never be like me since that would require more success than you have alloted time to accomplish.

Never broke my word. Said I was leaving yes. Never said forever or gave any sort of time frame. Nice try though.

Made fun of and picked on? Awwww I am so hurt and devestated that you children have nothing better than to resort to wheelchair smack. It's just crumbling my ego and self worth. Whatever shall I do? :lol

I said I wish I could be more like you. I know I could never actually obtain that goal. But, I never knew you were vain. I though you would try and lift me up and not knock me down. I hope this isn't the real you.

I know you aren't hurt or devastated or else you would do something like say you are leaving. But you would never do that.

I never resort to wheel chair smack. I never will.

You are Cobbler.

[cobbler]

Keep up the great basketball takes DPG. Impressive to say the least. :toast

[DPG21920]

Cobbler, the fact you, of all the posters here, respect my takes and blatantly copy my style means more to me than you will ever know.

If the tree of woe was a family tree, the family name would be Cobbler.

[YoungB]

I said I wish I could be more like you. I know I could never actually obtain that goal.

You're actually a lot more like him than you realize. While sitting in a wheelchair, you and him are roughly the same height.

[DPG21920]

The height of his amazing basketball takes soars above us all.

[Roddy Beaubois]

You're actually a lot more like him than you realize. While sitting in a wheelchair, you and him are roughly the same height.

oooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[YoungB]

Now that you guys share something in common we should all hold hands and sing koombayah.

[cobbler]

- First of all, the "swinging arm" motion is overplayed..it happens what, once a game.

ok... and that would be 2 free throws a game which is the difference between the two players.

[jag]

I always appreciate when HH takes time out of his day to doo-doo on Kobe. It makes me remember why i like him so much, his love for Lebron notwithstanding.

[DPG21920]

Cobbler lives in the same state as some Grammy Award winners, so he has an award himself. After all, he did buy the cd's so he directly played a role in their success.

[YoungB]

ok... and that would be 2 free throws a game which is the difference between the two players.

son we're supposed to be holding hands and singing koombayah.

[kamikazi_player]

Now that you guys share something in common we should all hold hands and sing koombayah.

shut up slut ur causin too much chaos just bend over and take it like a slut okay ma

[DPG21920]

shut up slut ur causin too much chaos just bend over and take it like a slut okay ma

:lol

[TD 21]

I didn't want to extend the argument, but I guess I will have to..

- First of all, the "swinging arm" motion is overplayed..it happens what, once a game?..the fact that Kobe and Durant have established this "motion" just adds to the phantom fouls they receive..refs now assume that it's always a foul when they try it, and a lot of the time, it isn't..if anybody watched the Lakers vs. Grizzlies game, the first offensive possession for the Lakers was Kobe doing his "swinging arm motion" on Xavier Henry, Henry got 100% ball, yet the ref gave Kobe the instant whistle, just assuming he got fouled, which happens very often..

Nowitzki's height and the way he shoots gives him just as much of an advantage at drawing free throws..I would say defenders are much more likely to hit him on the wrist or the hands in an attempt to contest the shot, since it's so difficult to defend against, from a stylistic standpoint..

- Gobbler's argument about coming off screens is false..Kobe has drawn 0% of his free throw attempts coming off screens this season..

In fact, looking into it, it further proves the difference..

29% of Kobe's offense comes in 1 on 1 situations..he draws fouls on 13% of his iso possessions, most of them jump shots, the highest % of fouls drawn of any of his situational possessions..

Nowitzki only draws 7% of his fouls in iso situations, and spends significantly less time running iso plays for jump shots..


The majority of Nowitzki's FTs actually come in post-up situations..this season, posting up has been Dirk's main offensive weapon..24% of his offense has come in post-ups, and he draws fouls on 14% of them, the 2nd highest amount of any situational possession, other than cutting in the paint..



Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from cutting to the basket..Kobe only draws fouls on 8% of his cuts in the paint, while Dirk draws free throws on 17% of his cuts in the paint..


Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from offensive rebounds(only 2%), yet Dirk draws free throws on 20% of them in the paint, while Kobe's is 14%..

Looking at the numbers, it's pretty evident that Nowitzki draws a lot more fouls in the paint, which is generally where fouls are drawn, obviously..

- My point wasn't necessarily that you have to compare them in a heads-up argument..it's not as easy to compare them due to the difference in usage..

However, when you look at peak years and compare Kobe to other high-usage players like Lebron and Wade, it's pretty amazing to see how many fouls Kobe draws from jump shots, compared to those guys that have to work primarily in the paint for their free throws..

Kobe is the gold standard for touch fouls and phantom fouls on jump shots..

Fine, but you're ignoring why Bryant get's a lot of those and it's in large part attributed to his status in the game. You're just lumping them into the same sentence or category basically and they shouldn't be. You can bring up all the stats you want that suggest Nowitzki is closer to him historically than he's given credit for, but the fact is Bryant is viewed as one of the best ever (10-15). Nowitzki is not viewed as one of the 30 best ever. Big difference.

You got to love this board, though. The vast majority are Spurs fans, followed by probably Lakers fans. Yet of all the players that are talked about ad nauseam and criticized, the one you can't say a thing about (unless you're incessantly slobbering, that is) is Nowitzki. I could rip Jordan, Duncan, you name it and at least a few would join in. But if I were to say a single unflattering thing about Nowitzki, within' minutes the thread would be filled with "butthurt" fans. :rollin

[Ace]

Cobbler on his way to earn that ring...

http://wheelchairlarry.com/images/LarryLaker2.gif

[DPG21920]

Guys, please lay off Cobbler. If you don't agree with his basketball takes (which makes you a damn fool if you ask me :lol), that is fine. But the personal attacks need to stop. He deserves better.

He has given you too much just to have you throw it back in his face. Do yall really want him to leave for forever again? Think about that next time you attack him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Fine, but you're ignoring why Bryant get's a lot of those and it's in large part attributed to his status in the game. You're just lumping them into the same sentence or category basically and they shouldn't be. You can bring up all the stats you want that suggest Nowitzki is closer to him historically than he's given credit for, but the fact is Bryant is viewed as one of the best ever (10-15). Nowitzki is not viewed as one of the 30 best ever. Big difference.

You got to love this board, though. The vast majority are Spurs fans, followed by probably Lakers fans. Yet of all the players that are talked about ad nauseam and criticized, the one you can't say a thing about (unless you're incessantly slobbering, that is) is Nowitzki. I could rip Jordan, Duncan, you name it and at least a few would join in. But if I were to say a single unflattering thing about Nowitzki, within' minutes the thread would be filled with "butthurt" fans. :rollin

:lol I don't care about Nowitzki..I don't dislike him and he isn't one of my favorite players or anything..

I'm a fan of any player when I feel like Kobe can be entered into the discussion..

[cobbler]

Guys, please lay off Cobbler. If you don't agree with his basketball takes (which makes you a damn fool if you ask me :lol), that is fine. But the personal attacks need to stop. He deserves better.

He has given you too much just to have you throw it back in his face. Do yall really want him to leave for forever again? Think about that next time you attack him.

I would love for you to show me where I ever said "forever". Do you ever get anything correct? :lol

[DPG21920]

Just don't leave again. This board won't survive.

[cobbler]

going nowhere... unlike you in June.

[DPG21920]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, nice Cobbler :lol

Good one man.

[Ace]

http://www.nba.com/media/lakers/fastbreakin3.jpg

[TD 21]

:lol I don't care about Nowitzki..I don't dislike him and he isn't one of my favorite players or anything..

I'm a fan of any player when I feel like Kobe can be entered into the discussion..

That was more directed at the board in general than at you. It just so happened to be in a post where I quoted you.

Admit it, though, you're a Nowitzki fan.

You shouldn't let your hatred for Bryant cloud your judgment.

[cobbler]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, nice Cobbler :lol

Good one man.

Just assuming that when Harlem honors his bet... that he would retain his #1 fluffer wherever he wanders off to. We will miss you as well. :toast

[DPG21920]

Damn Cobbler, :lol, you are killing me right now.

Beloooooooooooooooooow the belt friend :lol

[cobbler]

Are there any Heat fans that aren't welchers?

Just curious is all...

[DPG21920]

Don't know buddddddddy. Probably not :lol

[Ace]

Cobbler's ring presentation
http://www.nba.com/media/lakers/0811fbl_teamtrophy.jpg

[YoungB]

TBH I would have thought Wade would be Cobbler's favorite player over Kobe. Wade likes to ride in wheelchairs too.

[cobbler]

Kobe has not and never will be my favorite player.

[YoungB]

I knew it!

[DPG21920]

Cobbler loves Wilt, no?

[Ace]

I knew it!
http://www.thesportsbrewery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/paul_pierce_body_cast_phixr_2.png

[cobbler]

Wilt is the GOAT in my opinion. But that has to be qualified in that I don't believe you can have a GOAT in the first place when crossing so many eras. As an individual talent and someone I don't believe anyone could beat in a one on one game, I give the nod to Wilt.

My favorite Laker is Worthy.

[cobbler]

Ace with the 3 year old material! Kudos Welcher Boy!

Well done! :toast

[Ace]

You win HO.... Congrats on being the class act you are.


It's been fun guys.... Enjoyed the bantar with one and all and even you HoBitch. But thats a line that should never have been crossed.

I'm outta here. Good luck to all your teams in the future and go Lakers! :cry
:lmao

[DAF86]

Bonner > Dirk

[YoungB]

Bonner > Dirk

at sucking dick? billiards? enlighten us, manu fan

[cobbler]

Wow! You even searched it out HH/Chris/Ace. Job well done! And as you can see, no mention of leaving forever or any such time frame as others have insinuated. Thanks for pointing that out.

[cobbler]

Hey Ace! Do you have a difficult time keeping your alter ego storylines coordinated? Just curious is all. I have noticed that you have welched with all of them so obviously certain charastistics are harder to hide than others.

[DAF86]

at sucking dick? billiards? enlighten us, manu fan

At beating the shit out of the Hornets.

[Ace]

Wow! You even searched it out HH/Chris/Ace. Job well done! And as you can see, no mention of leaving forever or any such time frame as others have insinuated. Thanks for pointing that out.
Massive ass pain in that post, tbh

[HarlemHeat37]

How has Ace "welched" on any bets?..

Enlighten me..

[frodo]

At beating the shit out of the Hornets.

at having a bald spot on head.

[DAF86]

at having a bald spot on head.

A red haired one.

[Roddy Beaubois]

tbh just that DAF mentioned a player on the Spurs that isn't Manu is an improvement for him.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

9 straight, but yet 0 rings. :)

[Roddy Beaubois]

9 straight, but yet 0 rings. :)

This was established in the first two post tbh. We're now on page 7.

[Agloco]

This was established in the first two post tbh. We're now on page 7.

Don't whine over a fucking reminder then as you dumbass Mavfans go on and on about being the best team in the league right now.

No rings, and it stings. Carry on.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Don't whine over a fucking reminder then as you dumbass Mavfans go on and on about being the best team in the league right now.

:lmao at this sentence.

random foreign spurfan with the goods.

[Jacob1983]

Love or hate the Mavs, can't we agree that the Mavs are playing a lot better this season than what people expected?

[YoungB]

No rings, and it stings.

Hey man, have you ever considered a career as a rapper?

[DesignatedT]

Love or hate the Mavs, can't we agree that the Mavs are playing a lot better this season than what people expected?

Negative. Everyone knows they are the kings of the regular season. Problem is that's as far as it goes.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Negative. Everyone knows they are the kings of the regular season. Problem is that's as far as it goes.

Everyone also knows they are capable of kicking the spurs ass in the playoffs.

[midnightpulp]

Mavs are playing great, playoff style basketball, and Dirk is the MVP right now.

[TE]

Yeah Mavs are the best team right now, but they can easily be beaten. Dirk is the best player right now at this moment, but that'll change.

[Fpoonsie]

Yeah Mavs are the best team right now, but they can easily be beaten. Dirk is the best player right now at this moment, but that'll change.

...except by us, at home, right?

[Mike-in-brazil]

Fine, but you're ignoring why Bryant get's a lot of those and it's in large part attributed to his status in the game. You're just lumping them into the same sentence or category basically and they shouldn't be. You can bring up all the stats you want that suggest Nowitzki is closer to him historically than he's given credit for, but the fact is Bryant is viewed as one of the best ever (10-15). Nowitzki is not viewed as one of the 30 best ever. Big difference.

You got to love this board, though. The vast majority are Spurs fans, followed by probably Lakers fans. Yet of all the players that are talked about ad nauseam and criticized, the one you can't say a thing about (unless you're incessantly slobbering, that is) is Nowitzki. I could rip Jordan, Duncan, you name it and at least a few would join in. But if I were to say a single unflattering thing about Nowitzki, within' minutes the thread would be filled with "butthurt" fans. :rollin

good point TD,but if we were to rip mj.or duncan..u might get banned lol
how dare thee LOL...they are pure and classy guys who are perfect and got everything on their own with no help...lol

true most top players in the game get plenty of phantom calls,but depending on which player u dislike..
that one would seem to get the most( being that you root againts him and his team) ..

this is SPURStalk...not amazing dirk,,,kobe...gets slammed on here at times daily...this is nba section ..
you even have fans that took the time out to create sigs and avvys to attemp...

[Killakobe81]

I didn't want to extend the argument, but I guess I will have to..

- First of all, the "swinging arm" motion is overplayed..it happens what, once a game?..the fact that Kobe and Durant have established this "motion" just adds to the phantom fouls they receive..refs now assume that it's always a foul when they try it, and a lot of the time, it isn't..if anybody watched the Lakers vs. Grizzlies game, the first offensive possession for the Lakers was Kobe doing his "swinging arm motion" on Xavier Henry, Henry got 100% ball, yet the ref gave Kobe the instant whistle, just assuming he got fouled, which happens very often..

Nowitzki's height and the way he shoots gives him just as much of an advantage at drawing free throws..I would say defenders are much more likely to hit him on the wrist or the hands in an attempt to contest the shot, since it's so difficult to defend against, from a stylistic standpoint..

- Gobbler's argument about coming off screens is false..Kobe has drawn 0% of his free throw attempts coming off screens this season..

In fact, looking into it, it further proves the difference..

29% of Kobe's offense comes in 1 on 1 situations..he draws fouls on 13% of his iso possessions, most of them jump shots, the highest % of fouls drawn of any of his situational possessions..

Nowitzki only draws 7% of his fouls in iso situations, and spends significantly less time running iso plays for jump shots..


The majority of Nowitzki's FTs actually come in post-up situations..this season, posting up has been Dirk's main offensive weapon..24% of his offense has come in post-ups, and he draws fouls on 14% of them, the 2nd highest amount of any situational possession, other than cutting in the paint..



Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from cutting to the basket..Kobe only draws fouls on 8% of his cuts in the paint, while Dirk draws free throws on 17% of his cuts in the paint..


Both guys have had a similar amount of their offense come from offensive rebounds(only 2%), yet Dirk draws free throws on 20% of them in the paint, while Kobe's is 14%..

Looking at the numbers, it's pretty evident that Nowitzki draws a lot more fouls in the paint, which is generally where fouls are drawn, obviously..

- My point wasn't necessarily that you have to compare them in a heads-up argument..it's not as easy to compare them due to the difference in usage..

However, when you look at peak years and compare Kobe to other high-usage players like Lebron and Wade, it's pretty amazing to see how many fouls Kobe draws from jump shots, compared to those guys that have to work primarily in the paint for their free throws..

Kobe is the gold standard for touch fouls and phantom fouls on jump shots..

You wrote all of this, when you could of just put in the last paragraph and the last sentence ...none of what you wrote changes the fact that
Kobe only gets a few more Ft's despite taking more shots ...going back to peak years changes the argument ...At first, it ws who gets the most calls so that would make it currently. If you want to go "historic" o over the course of their carreers ...peak years come in to play. But the OP was about dirk's current status in the NBA ...

If you wanted to prove your point show someone who takes as many shots as Kobe but also takes the majority of them as jumpshots ...and then you would have an apples to apples ....