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DarrinS
12-07-2010, 11:34 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1335798/Global-warming-halted-Thats-happened-warmest-year-record.html

What happened to the 'warmest year on record': The truth is global warming has halted





A year ago tomorrow, just before the opening of the UN Copenhagen world climate summit, the British Meteorological Office issued a confident prediction. The mean world temperature for 2010, it announced, 'is expected to be 14.58C, the warmest on record' - a deeply worrying 0.58C above the 1961-1990 average.

World temperatures, it went on, were locked inexorably into an everrising trend: 'Our experimental decadal forecast confirms previous indications that about half the years 2010-2019 will be warmer than the warmest year observed so far - 1998.'

Met Office officials openly boasted that they hoped by their statements to persuade the Copenhagen gathering to impose new and stringent carbon emission limits - an ambition that was not to be met.


Last week, halfway through yet another giant, 15,000delegate UN climate jamboree, being held this time in the tropical splendour of Cancun in Mexico, the Met Office was at it again.

Never mind that Britain, just as it was last winter and the winter before, was deep in the grip of a cold snap, which has seen some temperatures plummet to minus 20C, and that here 2010 has been the coolest year since 1996.

Globally, it insisted, 2010 was still on course to be the warmest or second warmest year since current records began.

But buried amid the details of those two Met Office statements 12 months apart lies a remarkable climbdown that has huge implications - not just for the Met Office, but for debate over climate change as a whole.

Read carefully with other official data, they conceal a truth that for some, to paraphrase former US VicePresident Al Gore, is really inconvenient: for the past 15 years, global warming has stopped.

This isn't meant to be happening. Climate science orthodoxy, as promulgated by bodies such as the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU), says that temperatures have risen and will continue to rise in step with increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, and make no mistake, with the rapid industrialisation of China and India, CO2 levels have kept on going up.

According to the IPCC and its computer models, without enormous emission cuts the world is set to get between two and six degrees warmer during the 21st Century, with catastrophic consequences.

Last week at Cancun, in an attempt to influence richer countries to agree to give £20billion immediately to poorer ones to offset the results of warming, the US-based International Food Policy Research Institute warned that global temperatures would be 6.5 degrees higher by 2100, leading to rocketing food prices and a decline in production.

The maths isn't complicated. If the planet were going to be six degrees hotter by the century's end, it should be getting warmer by 0.6 degrees each decade; if two degrees, then by 0.2 degrees every ten years. Fortunately, it isn't.

Actually, with the exception of 1998 - a 'blip' year when temperatures spiked because of a strong 'El Nino' effect (the cyclical warming of the southern Pacific that affects weather around the world) - the data on the Met Office's and CRU's own websites show that global temperatures have been flat, not for ten, but for the past 15 years.

They go up a bit, then down a bit, but those small rises and falls amount to less than their measuring system's acknowledged margin of error. They have no statistical significance and reveal no evidence of any trend at all. When the Met Office issued its December 2009 prediction, it was clearly expecting an even bigger El Nino spike than happened in 1998 - one so big that it would have dragged up the decade's average.

But though it was still successfully trying to influence media headlines during Cancun last week by saying that 2010 might yet end up as the warmest year, the small print reveals the Met Office climbdown. Last year it predicted that the 2010 average would be 14.58C. Last week, this had been reduced to 14.52C.

That may not sound like much. But when one considers that by the Met Office's own account, the total rise in world temperatures since the 1850s has been less than 0.8 degrees, it is quite a big deal. Above all, it means the trend stays flat.

Meanwhile, according to an analysis yesterday by David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, 2010 had only two unusually warm months, March and April, when El Nino was at its peak.

The data from October to the end of the year suggests that when the final figure is computed, 2010 will not be the warmest year at all, but at most the third warmest, behind both 1998 and 2005.

There is no dispute that the world got a little warmer over some of the 20th Century. (Between 1940 and the early Seventies, temperatures actually fell.)

But little by little, the supposedly settled scientific ' consensus' that the temperature rise is unprecedented, that it is set to continue to disastrous levels, and that it is all the fault of human beings, is starting to fray.

Earlier this year, a paper by Michael Mann - for years a leading light in the IPCC, and the author of the infamous 'hockey stick graph' showing flat temperatures for 2,000 years until the recent dizzying increase - made an extraordinary admission: that, as his critics had always claimed, there had indeed been a ' medieval warm period' around 1000 AD, when the world may well have been hotter than it is now.

Other research is beginning to show that cyclical changes in water vapour - a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide - may account for much of the 20th Century warming.

Even Phil Jones, the CRU director at the centre of last year's 'Climategate' leaked email scandal, was forced to admit in a little noticed BBC online interview that there has been 'no statistically significant warming' since 1995.

One of those leaked emails, dated October 2009, was from Kevin Trenberth, head of climate analysis at the US government's National Centre for Atmospheric Research and the IPCC's lead author on climate change science in its monumental 2002 and 2007 reports.

He wrote: 'The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't.'

After the leak, Trenberth claimed he still believed the world was warming because of CO2, and that the 'travesty' was not the 'pause' but science's failure to explain it.

The question now emerging for climate scientists and policymakers alike is very simple. Just how long does a pause have to be before the thesis that the world is getting hotter because of human activity starts to collapse?

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 12:08 PM
Read carefully with other official data, they conceal a truth that for some, to paraphrase former US VicePresident Al Gore, is really inconvenient: for the past 15 years, global warming has stopped.

This isn't meant to be happening. Climate science orthodoxy, as promulgated by bodies such as the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit (CRU), says that temperatures have risen and will continue to rise in step with increasing CO2 in the atmosphere, and make no mistake, with the rapid industrialisation of China and India, CO2 levels have kept on going up.
Don't you like how in their religion, they believe praying to the global warming god, will make it happen...


According to the IPCC and its computer models, without enormous emission cuts the world is set to get between two and six degrees warmer during the 21st Century, with catastrophic consequences.
Models made to follow unfounded beliefs...


But though it was still successfully trying to influence media headlines during Cancun last week by saying that 2010 might yet end up as the warmest year, the small print reveals the Met Office climbdown. Last year it predicted that the 2010 average would be 14.58C. Last week, this had been reduced to 14.52C.
I wonder how many of them are gong to lose faith in their dogma?


Earlier this year, a paper by Michael Mann - for years a leading light in the IPCC, and the author of the infamous 'hockey stick graph' showing flat temperatures for 2,000 years until the recent dizzying increase - made an extraordinary admission: that, as his critics had always claimed, there had indeed been a ' medieval warm period' around 1000 AD, when the world may well have been hotter than it is now.
Scientists cannot hide true science forever!



Other research is beginning to show that cyclical changes in water vapour - a much more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide - may account for much of the 20th Century warming.
No shit Sherlock. Something all of us who dabble in these sciences already know. CO2 is the 2nd strongest greenhouse gas in play. Not the 1st.


Even Phil Jones, the CRU director at the centre of last year's 'Climategate' leaked email scandal, was forced to admit in a little noticed BBC online interview that there has been 'no statistically significant warming' since 1995.
These guys must be realizing they will be laughed out of the field if they don't come around to true science. I guess they are starting to see the world is no longer flat.


Kevin Trenberth wrote: 'The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't.'
These people forgot the first rule of science. To be skeptical.

Blake
12-07-2010, 12:20 PM
explain again why the polar caps are melting?

DarrinS
12-07-2010, 12:22 PM
explain again why the polar caps are melting?

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/arctic-sea-ice-0330

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 12:49 PM
explain again why the polar caps are melting?
Black carbon in the North, the south is maintaining.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 12:59 PM
That article is wrong on many levels but if you can provide the data I'd be happy to take a look.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 01:00 PM
explain again why the polar caps are melting?
Northern hemisphere:

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.arctic.png

The data starts at 1979. I wonder what it would be if it started 1000 years ago? Would we see a natural trend unaffected by industrialization? A 31 year snippet in time is just noise on such a large system.

Now if this is global warming, why is the southern hemisphere above average?

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.antarctic.png

The Cryosphere Today (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/)

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 01:03 PM
This blog link provides data to many meteorological entities that don't agree with what your article is saying and provide the data to back up their claims.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1699

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 01:08 PM
This blog link provides data to many meteorological entities that don't agree with what your article is saying and provide the data to back up their claims.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1699
Fail...

Have you seen how they strategically select temperature stations to get the numbers they want?

Why does 70 north and south have as many data points as the equator, when it should have far less?

Oh...

My bad...

I forget you guys use the flat earth sciences!

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 01:12 PM
Really? They selectively choose stations when half of those measurements are not done by stations but by satellite?

Fail alright.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 01:16 PM
Really? They selectively choose stations when half of those measurements are not done by stations but by satellite?

Fail alright.
Why does a line of latitude get as many data points near the poles as the equator?

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:11 PM
I don't know what your referencing but the fact is that observations not using weather stations match those of the weather stations. Verification is a bitch. Further more, the stations that have been dropped - if added back in - show MORE warming.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:11 PM
Refuting the same old bullshit arguments with no basis in reality becomes tiresome.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:12 PM
But don't take my word for it - look it up.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:22 PM
I don't know what your referencing but the fact is that observations not using weather stations match those of the weather stations. Verification is a bitch. Further more, the stations that have been dropped - if added back in - show MORE warming.
They have dropped stations that are rural enough to give true readings, and kept all but the worse in the urban heat islands. they apply formulas for corrections that cannot be as accurate as raw measurements. They assume corrections, based on models, which are based on biased assumptions.

But don't take my word for it - look it up.
I have seen the data. I'm not hunting for it now. As a true believer, you will dismiss it anyway.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:27 PM
The dropped stations make it hotter.

http://clearclimatecode.org/the-1990s-station-dropout-does-not-have-a-warming-effect/

DarrinS
12-07-2010, 02:33 PM
The dropped stations make it hotter.

http://clearclimatecode.org/the-1990s-station-dropout-does-not-have-a-warming-effect/

http://www.surfacestations.org/

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/files/2009/07/ushcn-surveyed-7-14-09.jpg

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/files/2009/02/crn_ratings.png

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:33 PM
http://clearclimatecode.org/airport-warming/
http://rhinohide.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/ghcn-high-alt-high-lat-rural/
http://moyhu.blogspot.com/2010/05/just-60-stations.html

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:35 PM
The dropped stations make it hotter.

http://clearclimatecode.org/the-1990s-station-dropout-does-not-have-a-warming-effect/
That is a different argument than I am talking about.

Consider this. Why are there so many more North-eastern USA data points than South-eastern?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2010/mar/avgtemp.dfn-201003.gif

They do this methodology globally, gerrymandering what stations to use. What if they were more equally spread out, instead of at population centers, with growing heat island values?

DarrinS
12-07-2010, 02:35 PM
lmao at this one


http://www.surfacestations.org/images/lovelock_mig480.jpg

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:35 PM
Also - the temperature record keeping is so bad that satellite observation verifies it.

Just keep repeating the same talking points over and over and over no matter how many times someone refutes them scientifically.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:36 PM
lmao at this one


http://www.surfacestations.org/images/lovelock_mig480.jpg
These are the sites that need to be removed from the data.

Besides the airplane and air conditioning, I'll bet when that station started making measurement, there was grass around it. Grass has an albedo of 0.25. Gravel has an albedo of 0.18.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:36 PM
If you need me to tell you why there are more stations in the North East then you are beyond my help.

DarrinS
12-07-2010, 02:37 PM
I bet this one takes accurate readings

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/images/Tahoe_city3.JPG

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:37 PM
Tell you what. Lets discount the surface observations all together and go with observations from outer space that cover the entire planet. They say the same thing.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:39 PM
If you need me to tell you why there are more stations in the North East then you are beyond my help.
I'm more concerned about the balance in the data measurements, and why they compile data like they do.

Can you say "urban heat island?"

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:40 PM
Tell you what. Lets discount the surface observations all together and go with observations from outer space that cover the entire planet. They say the same thing.
Now we have a limited record.

Still, are we excluding population centers for this data?

Are we recognizing that the sun has the greatest effect on the sea surface temperatures?

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:40 PM
No one wants to touch sat data? Didn't think so.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:41 PM
I bet this one takes accurate readings

http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/images/Tahoe_city3.JPG
And again, the albedo differences pre gravel and post.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:41 PM
Now we have a limited record.

Still, are we excluding population centers for this data?

Are we recognizing that the sun has the greatest effect on the sea surface temperatures?

I honestly have no clue what this means.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:41 PM
I honestly have no clue what this means.
That's why you are an indoctrinated fool on the subject.

MannyIsGod
12-07-2010, 02:43 PM
:lmao

The fact that I can't understand your ramblings means I'm an indoctrinated fool. Alrighty then. Keep looking at your pretty pictures I guess. I'm gonna go get indoctrinated further.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2010, 02:49 PM
:lmao

The fact that I can't understand your ramblings means I'm an indoctrinated fool. Alrighty then. Keep looking at your pretty pictures I guess. I'm gonna go get indoctrinated further.
Why doesn't that surprise me?