Sure glad we devoted resources to making Mahinmi improve

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Why else would we devote so much effort towards improving a player if not to aggrandize the strength of our major divisional rival?

[concken]

yea he sure looked good tonight. first recorded double-double. he missed some easy shots though. we'll have to see how he progresses

[Ditty]

warriors are elite

[LeCrab]

:bang @ a player the spurs groomed producing for another team

[concken]

:bang @ a player the spurs groomed producing for another team

you mean ANOTHER

[dbestpro]

Memphis and New Orleans want to know when Pop is gonna cut Blair and Splitter.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

How many total players can Spurs devote a pick, time, resources, the Toros to, just to give them to a divisional rival?


We need to figure out a player we can draft and give to NO and Memphis

[LeCrab]

How many total players can Spurs devote a pick, time, resources, the Toros to, just to give them to a divisional rival?


We need to figure out a player we can draft and give to NO and Memphis

Ryan richards?

[DPG21920]

I am happy for Ian. Very nice to see him get minutes and produce (although he usually did when given minutes).

Hopefully it continues...

[DesignatedT]

:lmao Ian lovers checking the box score after every game waiting for a day like this so they can create an "i told you so" thread.

[SenorSpur]

12 points, 10 rebounds and 1 block versus the Warriors.

I don't give a shit who the opponent is. That's a good stat line from a bench player.

I know those numbers are diminshed, in the eyes of some, because NONE of those points came from behind the arc, but still a good showing from a reserve big man, that the Spurs had no use for.

[ChuckD]

:lmao Ian lovers checking the box score after every game waiting for a day like this so they can create an "i told you so" thread.

[DPG21920]

:lmao Ian lovers checking the box score after every game waiting for a day like this so they can create an "i told you so" thread.

lol you are hilarious.

[barbacoataco]

The "strange case of Ian Mahinmi" was a unique one that I never figured out. Why they never gave him even a chance is beyond me. I think they saw enough to know that even though he has certain talents, there is something there that will always limit him. Otherwise it makes no sense why they would let a tall, athletic guy like Mahinmi go for nothing after spending so much time trying to develop him.

[dbestpro]

12 points, 10 rebounds and 1 block versus the Warriors.

I don't give a shit who the opponent is. That's a good stat line from a bench player.

I know those numbers are diminshed, in the eyes of some, because NONE of those points came from behind the arc, but still a good showing from a reserve big man, that the Spurs had no use for.

Of note is that he only played 20 minutes and altered numerous shots as a shot blocker.

[DPG21920]

His injuries hampered his opportunities. But Pop didn't do him any favors either. He misses a lot of opportunities to get him minutes.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

8-10 free throws

[MaNu4Tres]

I was fortunate to catch the game, Yanny had a very impressive performance.

Most specifically on the defensive end and on the boards. He contested and altered several shots at the rim and had beautiful pick and roll defense (his hedging on Curry and Ellis and his quick recoveries).

For the Ian haters who didn't see the game and only glanced at the box score, there's a reason why Carlisle went to Yanny over Haywood to finish the game.

[DPG21920]

Ian always got to the line at a pretty high rate IIRC. It was one of his best qualities. He was a solid FT shooter as well. I just don't get why he doesn't finish some of his dunks more often?

He is an awkward kind of athletic.

[EricB]

Predictable Spurstalk reaction after seeing a tweet saying Ian Mahinmi had 12 and 10

[DPG21920]

Or after watching the entire game, foolish.

[LeCrab]

eric b fat ass didn't watch the game ian was a beast he had them scared to drive in the lane ....

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Predictable Spurstalk reaction after seeing a tweet saying Ian Mahinmi had 12 and 10

yeah cuz only rich people with thumb stomachs have access to league pass

[concken]

For the Ian haters who didn't see the game and only glanced at the box score, there's a reason why Carlisle went to Yanny over Haywood to finish the game.

:toast

[Russ]

Ghosts of Christmas past, present and future.

1. Ian Mahinmi

2. David Lee

3. Tiago Splitter

[EricB]

eric b fat ass didn't watch the game ian was a beast he had them scared to drive in the lane ....


Muah, your cute too.

[EricB]

yeah cuz only rich people with thumb stomachs have access to league pass


what exactly is a thumb stomach?

[DPG21920]

:lol I was going to ask the same thing, but then I figured I did not want to know.

[MaNu4Tres]

His injuries hampered his opportunities. But Pop didn't do him any favors either.

Same thing happening to Splitter?

[gospursgojas]

So that makes 2 good games in his 5 year career against the Warriors and the Nets.

How did we ever let that one go?????

[HarlemHeat37]

I can't wait until Objective logs in:lol..

I wonder if Carlisle will give Ian another chance..even though he had a good game tonight, he's still in a tough position, playing behind both Chandler and Haywood..

[SpursDynasty85]

The "strange case of Ian Mahinmi" was a unique one that I never figured out.


I'm pretty sure they dropped him because of money. They needed every penny they could save to make sure and sign RJ, Splitter, and *gag Bonner. I thought this was the correct basketball decision considering we had 5 big men. But if I had known Bonner was gonna get a raise from his already overpaid contract prior, I would have said "Hell no!"..

What ticks me off is Pop never gave him a chance when youthful defense and energy is what the spurs were lacking while he was sitting on the bench.

[DPG21920]

Not sure, different situation at the moment and different quality of player seemingly.

I have an idea of why Pop isn't playing Splitter (tired, long season...), but I can't be sure.

[And1Mak]

:toast

[peskypesky]

Ian has some damn impressive stats.

'10-11 Statistics
PPG 0.8
RPG 0.80
APG 0.0
EFF +0.83

[mingus]

I always thought Ian had a pretty nice game, kind of like a Serge Ibaka type player. I wanted him to stay for this year and wanted him to play, it's too bad he didn't, and it's too bad went to a division rival. i think with the right amount of playing time and development he can become a rotational player for the Mavs.

[DPG21920]

Well being an unfair idiot about the situation doesn't make sense.

No one is saying Ian is putting up numbers all the time. What a few of us are saying is that we see the potential and we wished Ian would have gotten some more floor time to develop.

[gospursgojas]

Ian has some damn impressive stats.

'10-11 Statistics
PPG 0.8
RPG 0.80
APG 0.0
EFF +0.83

Now can you imagine those number added to this years Spurs? Wow talk about offensive juggernaut

[peskypesky]

I always thought Ian had a pretty nice game, kind of like a Serge Ibaka type player. I wanted him to stay for this year and wanted him to play, it's too bad he didn't, and it's too bad went to a division rival. i think with the right amount of playing time and development he can become a rotational player for the Mavs.

you must be his agent. lol

[DesignatedT]

Ian has some damn impressive stats.

'10-11 Statistics
PPG 0.8
RPG 0.80
APG 0.0
EFF +0.83

lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'm glad he's doing well. He just seemed like he was in the wrong situation here, in the back of the rotation and any injury setting him back a good amount of time.

[Libri]

Haywood replaced him and he started the second half. But once Mahinmi got back in, coach Rick Carlisle stuck with him. He played the entire fourth quarter, making plays on both ends of the court.

He was so aggressive on offense that he took 10 free throws, making eight. Seven of his rebounds came on the offensive end. He also had two steals and a block.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2010120706

[mingus]

you must be his agent. lol

i would be... i think he can play.

[DPG21920]

lol

How'd Gee do? You were sold on him being "NBA material", but not Malik.

I trust some of you guys' analysis about as much as I trust Bonner in the playoffs.

[Yorae]

It's the fucking warriors. Did anyone saw how he played in fiba?

[LeCrab]

T' thought and still thinks gee is an nba player have you seen him with the wizards he is horrible... malik was and would of been our best defender since bruce....

[DesignatedT]

How'd Gee do? You were sold on him being "NBA material", but not Malik.

I trust some of you guys' analysis about as much as I trust Bonner in the playoffs.

:lol Yeah, I thought Gee would turn out to be better. I never disliked Malik... always been a fan of his also.

tbh in the limited time Anderson has seen the court he has already solidified that he is better than both which doesn't say much about them 2. Not sure what this has to do with anything..

[NRHector]

The "strange case of Ian Mahinmi" was a unique one that I never figured out. Why they never gave him even a chance is beyond me. I think they saw enough to know that even though he has certain talents, there is something there that will always limit him. Otherwise it makes no sense why they would let a tall, athletic guy like Mahinmi go for nothing after spending so much time trying to develop him.

Because Pop is in love with Bonner :depressed

[peskypesky]

I'm glad he's doing well.

??

did you see his stats? do you not know what numbers are?

[peskypesky]

i would be... i think he can play.

he can play. just not in the NBA.

[DPG21920]

It has to do with you hatin' on people when you have no track record of being correct. Not many of us do.

But the point is, Ian has talent. Will he ever reach his potential? Not sure. But that doesn't mean some of us don't think there was a missed opportunity. The fact he may or may not work out is irrelevant to me. The point is there was not enough opportunity for multiple reasons to know one way or the other.

[TJastal]

I always thought Ian had a pretty nice game, kind of like a Serge Ibaka type player. I wanted him to stay for this year and wanted him to play, it's too bad he didn't, and it's too bad went to a division rival. i think with the right amount of playing time and development he can become a rotational player for the Mavs.

+1

Good comparison, mingus.

An athletic gazelle Ibaka type is exactly what the spurs needed to hold onto to help the team (and especially Tim Duncan) protect the paint and lessen the wear and tear on Duncan. The spurs were fools to let this guy go.

And this game once again shows that when given minutes, Ian produces. And he's only really starting to scratch the surface of his potential which is scary. I will bet dollars to donuts that the mavs will eventually dump Haywood and make Ian their full time backup where he will do nothing but produce solid numbers.

[gospursgojas]

Besides the obvious...Scola (who didnt ever play for the spurs)

The former Spur draft pick that seems to be doing the best post Spurs career-wise, is Beno. And nobody is crying over losing that guy. But yall cry about losing a .8 ppg and rpg china doll???

[DPG21920]

Besides the obvious...Scola (who didnt ever play for the spurs)

The former Spur draft pick that seems to be doing the best post Spurs career-wise, is Beno. And nobody is crying over losing that guy. But yall cry about losing a .8 ppg and rpg china doll???

Because we saw what Beno had and he was a douche.

[MaNu4Tres]

Besides the obvious...Scola (who didnt ever play for the spurs)

The former Spur draft pick that seems to be doing the best post Spurs career-wise, is Beno. And nobody is crying over losing that guy. But yall cry about losing a .8 ppg and rpg china doll???

Nobody is crying-- We are simply saying Yan had a good game.

[gospursgojas]

Nobody is crying-- We are simply saying Yan had a good game.

Tony Delk once scored 50 points in a game.

[rmt]

Besides the obvious...Scola (who didnt ever play for the spurs)

The former Spur draft pick that seems to be doing the best post Spurs career-wise, is Beno. And nobody is crying over losing that guy. But yall cry about losing a .8 ppg and rpg china doll???

Pop never forgave Beno for failing to bring up the ball in 05 Finals game 3. Sure hope he gives Splitter PT soon.

[DPG21920]

You are a turrible poster

- Chuckster

[MaNu4Tres]

Tony Delk once scored 50 points in a game.

You don't get it.

[DPG21920]

You don't get it.

Are you surprised :lol?

At least he can understand "Pop speak"

[gospursgojas]

Are you surprised :lol?

At least he can understand "Pop speak"

Yes I guess I don't get that the Spurs should kick themselves for not giving Ian 6 years instead of 5 to finally show up, and that if only they had given him some actual playing time he would have showed something that he obviously didn't in practice, summer league, pre-season, off-season, shootaround, team meetings, Manu's bowling charity event, etc. And now all that great talent is being stolen from us by our I35 rival!

[DPG21920]

What about you just don't get it, don't you get?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

How many 1st round draft picks in the millennial Pop-era that the Spurs get rid of end up being trash?
How many end up being solid contributors on other teams?

How many of the Ian haters even try to answer my last two questions?

[gospursgojas]

What about you just don't get it, don't you get?

The part in black

[gospursgojas]

How many 1st round draft picks in the millennial Pop-era that the Spurs get rid of end up being trash?
How many end up being solid contributors on other teams?

How many of the Ian haters even try to answer my last two questions?

2010
Round 1 Pick 20 James Anderson Oklahoma State
Round 2 Pick 19 Ryan Richards United Kingdom (CB Gran Canaria) (foreign)
2009
Round 2 Pick 7 DeJuan Blair Pittsburgh
Round 2 Pick 21 Jack McClinton Miami (FL)
Round 2 Pick 23 Nando de Colo France (Cholet) (foreign)
2008
Round 1 Pick 26 George Hill IUPUI
Round 2 Pick 15 Goran Dragic Slovenia (Union Olimpija) (foreign)
Round 2 Pick 27 James Gist Maryland
2007
Round 1 Pick 28 Tiago Splitter Brazil (foreign)
Round 2 Pick 3 Marcus Williams Arizona
Round 2 Pick 28 Giorgos Printezi Greece (foreign)
2006
Round 2 Pick 29 Damir Markota Croatia (foreign)
2005
Round 1 Pick 28 Ian Mahinmi STB Le Havre (France) (foreign)
2004
Round 1 Pick 28 Beno Udrih Slovenia (foreign)
Round 2 Pick 23 Romain Sato Xavier
Round 2 Pick 28 Sergei Karaulov Russia (foreign)
2003
Round 1 Pick 28 Leandrinho Barboso Brazil (foreign)
2002
Round 1 Pick 26 John Salmons Miami (FL)
Round 2 Pick 27 Luis Scola Tau Cermica (Spain) (foreign)
Round 2 Pick 28 Randy Holcomb San Diego State
2001
Round 1 Pick 28 Tony Parker Paris Basket Racing (France) (foreign)
Round 2 Pick 27 Robertas Javokas Lietuvos Rytas (Lithuania) (foreign)
Round 2 Pick 29 Bryan Bracey Oregon
2000
Round 2 Pick 12 Chris Carrawell Duke
Round 2 Pick 25 Corey Hightower Indian Hills CC (high school)

To answer your second question, I count 6. And no, I'm not counting Ian.

[Mel_13]

How many 1st round draft picks in the millennial Pop-era that the Spurs get rid of end up being trash?
How many end up being solid contributors on other teams?


1. none

2. one

[gospursgojas]

To answer your second question, I count 6. And no, I'm not counting Ian.

Check that you said 1st rounders?

3

[Cant_Be_Faded]

How many 1st round draft picks in the millennial Pop-era that the Spurs get rid of end up being trash?
How many end up being solid contributors on other teams?

How many of the Ian haters even try to answer my last two questions?

I highlighted part of my original question so Ian Haters can make sure they know what the fuck they're talking about when attempting to answer.

[DPG21920]

:lol Was wondering how much sillier you could look. Can't even read.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

2010
Round 1 Pick 20 James Anderson Oklahoma State

2008
Round 1 Pick 26 George Hill IUPUI

2007
Round 1 Pick 28 Tiago Splitter Brazil (foreign)

2005
Round 1 Pick 28 Ian Mahinmi STB Le Havre (France) (foreign)
2004
Round 1 Pick 28 Beno Udrih Slovenia (foreign)

2003
Round 1 Pick 28 Leandrinho Barboso Brazil (foreign)
2002
Round 1 Pick 26 John Salmons Miami (FL)

2001
Round 1 Pick 28 Tony Parker Paris Basket Racing (France) (foreign)



Wow were you trying to prove my point or did you realize at all at any point that you were proving me right or did you purposely just like to make fun of yourself?


John Salmons who? He's never even started for a team!

[gospursgojas]

:lol Was wondering how much sillier you could look. Can't even read.

Don't talk about CBF that way

[DPG21920]

wow.

[gospursgojas]

Wow were you trying to prove my point or did you realize at all at any point that you were proving me right or did you purposely just like to make fun of yourself?

The only point I'm trying to make is that Ian sucks. Whatever other point I helped you prove...ya welcome.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The only point I'm trying to make is that Ian sucks. Whatever other point I helped you prove...ya welcome.

Look I don't mean to be a dick. All I'm trying to say is that its a big coincidence that SpurFan thinks 1st rounders that we give away suck automatically.

John Salmons has a starting job in the NBA right now.

Beno Udrih and Leandro Barbosa are or have had a streak of being solid contributors to their teams.

Barbosa is probably the one you can point out as being the closest to "garbage". And I probably would not try to argue with you much.

But the track record is there. We draft good players. We always have. It's part of what makes the Spurs the Spurs.

It's a big coincidence that most people who are okay with Scola leaving are also okay with Mahinmi leaving.

Personally I thought letting a player you spent so much time and effort and resources towards developing walk for nothing (Mahinmi) was bad strategy. I agree you never throw good money after bad. But I don't think Spurs management thought Ian Mahinmi was bad. We have empty roster spots on the team right now. Mahinmi was got by Mavs on the cheap. We were just trying to save money.

We developed a player for our chief division rival and the odds are for him being a solid contributor for whatever team he is on as he gets into his mid 20's and onward.

[DPG21920]

Spurs really didn't draft some of those players, IIRC. They traded their "pick" and drafted what the other team wanted.

[awktalk]

:lmao Ian lovers checking the box score after every game waiting for a day like this so they can create an "i told you so" thread.

I'm pretty sure we'll see a repeat of this with Splitter in a couple of years after he doesn't develop in time.

[jjktkk]

I've said before that Mahimni showed flashes, but because of never getting any playing time, he wasn't showing the necessary BBIQ?, consistancy, ? I actually thought that Pop would of kept him this year, since he was relatively cheap. But when the Spurs let him go I figured Mahimni has reached his ceiling, potential wise, so to speak. If Mahimni could average these numbers he put up tonight, for a season, will Pop is look like a idiot for letting him go, or did Pop figure Splitter was an upgrade over Mahimni?

[gospursgojas]

Look I don't mean to be a dick. All I'm trying to say is that its a big coincidence that SpurFan thinks 1st rounders that we give away suck automatically.

John Salmons has a starting job in the NBA right now.

Beno Udrih and Leandro Barbosa are or have had a streak of being solid contributors to their teams.

Barbosa is probably the one you can point out as being the closest to "garbage". And I probably would not try to argue with you much.

But the track record is there. We draft good players. We always have. It's part of what makes the Spurs the Spurs.

It's a big coincidence that most people who are okay with Scola leaving are also okay with Mahinmi leaving.

Personally I thought letting a player you spent so much time and effort and resources towards developing walk for nothing (Mahinmi) was bad strategy. I agree you never throw good money after bad. But I don't think Spurs management thought Ian Mahinmi was bad. We have empty roster spots on the team right now. Mahinmi was got by Mavs on the cheap. We were just trying to save money.

We developed a player for our chief division rival and the odds are for him being a solid contributor for whatever team he is on as he gets into his mid 20's and onward.

I never argued that the Spurs didn't waste draft picks. If anything I agree with you on that. But of the players you listed, Ian should be the one that is last on the list to complain about...other than the fact that he stuck around the longest and yes, the spurs did invest alot in him.

Barbosa was never meant to be a Spur, Pop hated Beno, and Salmons took 5 years to show up. But I list all 3 of those players as bigger losses than Ian.

[Mel_13]

Look I don't mean to be a dick. All I'm trying to say is that its a big coincidence that SpurFan thinks 1st rounders that we give away suck automatically.

John Salmons has a starting job in the NBA right now.

Beno Udrih and Leandro Barbosa are or have had a streak of being solid contributors to their teams.

Salmons and Barbosa were not chosen by the Spurs. The picks were traded and the players were selected by the Philly and Phoenix, respectively. The 2002 pick was traded for Speedy and the 2003 pick was traded for a future first rounder that was eventually used in the Nazr trade.

Neither one of those picks was given away.

[mingus]

one of the other issues i had with letting Ian go is that Dice is retiring after this year and the Spurs bigs rotation will look very thin next year. We'll be seeing a WHOLE LOT OF FIRE CROTCH.

[TJastal]

I never argued that the Spurs didn't waste draft picks. If anything I agree with you on that. But of the players you listed, Ian should be the one that is last on the list to complain about...other than the fact that he stuck around the longest and yes, the spurs did invest alot in him.

Barbosa was never meant to be a Spur, Pop hated Beno, and Salmons took 5 years to show up. But I list all 3 of those players as bigger losses than Ian.

Do you realize Ian only just turned 24 about a month ago?

[SpursDynasty85]

Yes I guess I don't get that the Spurs should kick themselves for not giving Ian 6 years instead of 5 to finally show up, and that if only they had given him some actual playing time he would have showed something that he obviously didn't in practice, summer league, pre-season, off-season, shootaround, team meetings, Manu's bowling charity event, etc. And now all that great talent is being stolen from us by our I35 rival!


Wow. All that and pop couldn't even give him a chance in a real game..

[Cant_Be_Faded]

So then even discounting Barbosa and Salmons does that make more or less 1st round draft pick busts by the Spurs?

[gospursgojas]

Do you realize Ian only just turned 24 years about a month ago?

Do you realize this is his 6 season in the NBA and he's been playing professionally since he was 17?

Playing time, injuries, age, what other excuses do you all have to give this guy for so far not giving anything but a good game AND DUNK ...don't forget that dunk in that game....against the Nets and another against the warriors?

[TJastal]

I've said before that Mahimni showed flashes, but because of never getting any playing time, he wasn't showing the necessary BBIQ?, consistancy, ? I actually thought that Pop would of kept him this year, since he was relatively cheap. But when the Spurs let him go I figured Mahimni has reached his ceiling, potential wise, so to speak. If Mahimni could average these numbers he put up tonight, for a season, will Pop is look like a idiot for letting him go, or did Pop figure Splitter was an upgrade over Mahimni?

Pop figured Bonner was better than both.

[Mel_13]

So then even discounting Barbosa and Salmons does that make more or less 1st round draft pick busts by the Spurs?

I was responding to the part where you talked about the former Spurs first rounders that have been given away and gone on to play to play useful roles on other teams.

Beno is the only one that meets that description.

[DPG21920]

I already said det

[Mel_13]

Do you realize this is his 6 season in the NBA

It's his 4th season.

[The Tough Brets]

Why else would we devote so much effort towards improving a player if not to aggrandize the strength of our major divisional rival?

I think we're missing a key takeaway from the OP: Cant_Be_Faded's use of the word 'aggrandize' really adds a touch of sophistication to the forum.

Way to add some erudition up in here!

[gospursgojas]

It's his 4th season.

I was going by draft year.

[DesignatedT]

It has to do with you hatin' on people when you have no track record of being correct. Not many of us do.

But the point is, Ian has talent. Will he ever reach his potential? Not sure. But that doesn't mean some of us don't think there was a missed opportunity. The fact he may or may not work out is irrelevant to me. The point is there was not enough opportunity for multiple reasons to know one way or the other.

Not hating anymore... just find the situation humorous. It's too late now for it too matter anyway but I will say one thing... If we meet them in the playoffs, I hope they continue to go to Ian over their other bigs, I know that much.

[gospursgojas]

I think we're missing a key takeaway from the OP: Cant_Be_Faded's use of the word 'aggrandize' really adds a touch of sophistication to the forum.

Way to add some erudition up in here!

Epilazication.

See, I can make up words too.

[Mel_13]

I was going by draft year.

Then this is Tiago's 4th season. :rolleyes

[DPG21920]

You should just stop. You don't get anything right.

[jjktkk]

Pop figured Bonner was better than both.

Or the combination of Bonner and Splitter is better than Mahimni, which IMO.

[DPG21920]

Then this is Tiago's 4th season. :rolleyes

:lol that guy is a nightmare

[gospursgojas]

You should just stop. You don't get anything right.

You should get over me, and add to the thread.

[DPG21920]

I added 10x more than you just by knowing what I'm talking about. I'm the one who knew about the draft picks being traded. Which you obviously didn't know :lol. You can't even read basic statements.

[TJastal]

Do you realize this is his 6 season in the NBA and he's been playing professionally since he was 17?

Playing time, injuries, age, what other excuses do you all have to give this guy for so far not giving anything but a good game AND DUNK ...don't forget that dunk in that game....against the Nets and another against the warriors?

So? I don't see how that changes the fact that he's only 24. If anything that is a good thing (for Ian & the mavs) because now he is putting all that experience to work.

Ian had some awkward moments and has had his share of foul problems but to me he looks like one of those guys who didn't play basketball till later in life so his his ceiling still hasn't been reached, not even close. He'll only continue to get better and better offensively while his defense (rebounding & shot blocking, rim protection) is already top notch. And that said volumes about Ian that coach Carlisle trusted him instead of a guy they are paying some 52 million dollars over the next 6 years.

[The Tough Brets]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again...

Ian Mahinmi has MAN in his name.

Tiago Splitter has GIRL in his.

[gospursgojas]

I added 10x more than you just by knowing what I'm talking about. I'm the one who knew about the draft picks being traded. Which you obviously didn't know :lol. You can't even read basic statements.

You knew that the Spurs traded the rights to Salmons and Barbosa? Thanks for that insider info.

Who doesn't know that? Thats common knowledge around here. Did you think that those facts were not brought up last year when Barbosa and Dragic were torching the Spurs? And when there were trade rumors involving Salmons? You assume you know way more than me which makes you closed to the opinions I have about Ian. And that sucks for you bc Ian sucks, Spurs knew it, never played him and let him walk.

[gospursgojas]

So? I don't see how that changes the fact that he's only 24. If anything that is a good thing (for Ian & the mavs) because now he is putting all that experience to work.

Ian had some awkward moments and has had his share of foul problems but to me he looks like one of those guys who didn't play basketball till later in life so his his ceiling still hasn't been reached, not even close. He'll only continue to get better and better offensively while his defense (rebounding & shot blocking, rim protection) is already top notch. And that said volumes about Ian that coach Carlisle trusted him instead of a guy they are paying some 52 million dollars over the next 6 years.

I share your disgust at Pop's manlove for Bonner. But to me, Ian had his chances and I see him as the same player when hes 34 as when hes 24.

[DPG21920]

You didn't bc you engaged (incorrectly) in a debate about Spurs draft picks being let go.

[DPG21920]

I'm not trying to be a d*ck (you seem to get that a lot :lol), but you don't know what you are talking about frequently. That doesn't mean you can't share your opinions, it just means it bothers me from time to time. That's on me though.

[SpursDynasty85]

I share your disgust at Pop's manlove for Bonner. But to me, Ian had his chances and I see him as the same player when hes 34 as when hes 24.


Your wrong. Ian never got a chance to play in the NBA because of "Pop's manlove"

The only reason the spurs let him go was because we don't need him anymore. We needed him last year.

[peskypesky]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again...

Ian Mahinmi has MAN in his name.

Tiago Splitter has GIRL in his.

and your name means "shit for brains" in Slovenian.

[gospursgojas]

You didn't bc you engaged (incorrectly) in a debate about Spurs draft picks being let go.

I wasn't arguing that point. I was claiming that Ian isn't anyone to cry (or complain) about losing. Thats the only reason I posted in this thread. When I posted the list of draft picks, I was only answering CBF's question and adding my opinion that thereare plenty of other picks to fell bad about over Ian.

P.S
Don't contest my Spur knowledge. Did you know that Tim was born in the Virgin Islands?

[DPG21920]

Your not really funny either tbh

[DPG21920]

Seem like a nice enough dude though.

[gospursgojas]

I'm not trying to be a d*ck (you seem to get that a lot :lol), but you don't know what you are talking about frequently. That doesn't mean you can't share your opinions, it just means it bothers me from time to time. That's on me though.

What have I stated in this thread that is incorrect? Or that I don't know about?

[DPG21920]

Everything you've posted tbh

[The Tough Brets]

and your name means "shit for brains" in Slovenian.

I highly doubt that. But good try. Next time maybe try a clever response. They tend to be funnier.

[gospursgojas]

Everything you've posted tbh

Well thanks for that. Here I thought I was making sense about Ian never doing anything for the Spurs.

[TJastal]

I share your disgust at Pop's manlove for Bonner. But to me, Ian had his chances and I see him as the same player when hes 34 as when hes 24.

Yah, I could see Yanny putting up a 34/24 night someday... (thanks for that) :lol

Look at the numbers. In 21 minutes he put up 12/10 with 2 steals and a block.. if he'd gotten 36 minutes like Dirk he would have put up roughly 20 & 17.

And that's just coming in cold without having had the benefit of playing time or an established role.

[gospursgojas]

Yah, I could see Yanny putting up a 34/24 night someday... (thanks for that) :lol

Look at the numbers. In 21 minutes he put up 12/10 with 2 steals and a block.. if he'd gotten 36 minutes like Dirk he would have put up roughly 20 & 17.

And that's just coming in cold without having had the benefit of playing time or an established role.

:lol I see what you did there with the 34/24. Nice

[Chucho]

So, that brings his season averages to what? 1.5 ppg and 2.0 boards and .035 blocks per? Oh no!! The Spurs gave away the next Jack Haley.

[DPG21920]

The season avg argument is so silly I don't know where to begin & again that is not the point

[MaNu4Tres]

The season avg argument is so silly I don't know where to begin & again that is not the point

This.

Some people just don't get it. tbh

There's no way around it, so there's no point to really try to help. tbh

Somethings in life aren't worth the effort and time. tbh

Tbh :tu

[Budkin]

ZzzzZzzzzz

[TJastal]

So, that brings his season averages to what? 1.5 ppg and 2.0 boards and .035 blocks per? Oh no!! The Spurs gave away the next Jack Haley.

Hey moron.

Carlisle himself said that Mahinmi's energy level was the difference in the game. A game the mavs could have easily dropped with Chandler sitting out, but salvaged thanks to Mahinmi.

And this isn't the first time Carlisle has sung Ian's praises. Believe me, when Mark Cuban goes to bed at night he is kicking himself in the ass for giving Haywood that contract.

[Brazil]

This.

Some people just don't get it. tbh

There's no way around it, so there's no point to really try to help. tbh

Somethings in life aren't worth the effort and time. tbh

Tbh :tu

+10000

the Ian avg season argument is one of the dumbest I ever read in a while.

People can think what they want about him being a bust, solid, filler, worth a bench spot... but using the avg season to back up the fact he is a bust... :lol

I agree with posters saying that it's a pitty spending so much money and time to develop a young prospect to let him go on a rival squad for nothing.

BTW Mavs FO are saying thank you Spurs for teaching him the D fundamental ! Now they can work on a solid basis to improve his O touch.

IMHO baring injuries Ian could become a good big off the bench. I'm not saying he will but he worth the gamble: it's not like this kind of athlete was easy to find nowadays.

[spurspokesman]

:lmao Ian lovers checking the box score after every game waiting for a day like this so they can create an "i told you so" thread.

He got his oppurtunity and he's making the most of it.Good for him:toast

[spurspokesman]

Hey moron.

Carlisle himself said that Mahinmi's energy level was the difference in the game. A game the mavs could have easily dropped with Chandler sitting out, but salvaged thanks to Mahinmi.

And this isn't the first time Carlisle has sung Ian's praises. Believe me, when Mark Cuban goes to bed at night he is kicking himself in the ass for giving Haywood that contract.

Yup

[Agloco]

Yah, I could see Yanny putting up a 34/24 night someday... (thanks for that) :lol

Look at the numbers. In 21 minutes he put up 12/10 with 2 steals and a block.. if he'd gotten 36 minutes like Dirk he would have put up roughly 20 & 17.

And that's just coming in cold without having had the benefit of playing time or an established role.

lol 1 game sample

[Agloco]

The season avg argument is so silly I don't know where to begin & again that is not the point

So then your argument necessarily becomes about last nights game. Yeah he had a good one. What do you hope to draw from that?


Well being an unfair idiot about the situation doesn't make sense.

No one is saying Ian is putting up numbers all the time. What a few of us are saying is that we see the potential and we wished Ian would have gotten some more floor time to develop.

Disregard the above comment....I missed this post. :toast

[Agloco]

+10000

the Ian avg season argument is one of the dumbest I ever read in a while.

People can think what they want about him being a bust, solid, filler, worth a bench spot... but using the avg season to back up the fact he is a bust... :lol

What other metric do you propose? There are many, so throw a few out there. Or is this about his stellar performance in last nights game?

[tmtcsc]

Ian Mahinmi was nothing short of an injury-plagued bust for us. The Spurs spent years trying to develop this project and he came up flat. He was foul prone (which shows a lack of listening and learning skills) and couldn't stay on the court.

If he develops or "gets it" for another team, then good for him. But he didn't cut it here. Bottom line. No harm. He'll show flashes of being an NBA player but the only thing consistent about his game is that he's inconsistent.

[Chomag]

It seems like Bonner kept the Spurs from developing Ian, and now Bonner is keeping the Spurs from developing Splitter. If only these guys had a three-point shot.

[admiralsnackbar]

the only reason the spurs let him go was because we don't need him anymore. We needed him last year.

+1

[SenorSpur]

Well being an unfair idiot about the situation doesn't make sense.

No one is saying Ian is putting up numbers all the time. What a few of us are saying is that we see the potential and we wished Ian would have gotten some more floor time to develop.

Exactly.

For anyone that "ACTUALLY" watched the game, it was pretty obvious that Ian had a very productive outing. I kept expecting Carlisle to pull him during crunch time, in favor of Haywood. It turns out, he did not. His effort, energy and production were rewarded by the head coach.

The difference is the Mavs seem committed to giving the kid some occasional court time, as opposed to simply deactivating him every game.

[SenorSpur]

It has to do with you hatin' on people when you have no track record of being correct. Not many of us do.

But the point is, Ian has talent. Will he ever reach his potential? Not sure. But that doesn't mean some of us don't think there was a missed opportunity. The fact he may or may not work out is irrelevant to me. The point is there was not enough opportunity for multiple reasons to know one way or the other.

On point again. :toast

The book on Ian hasn't been written. All those that proclaim him to be a bust are no more accurate or knowledgeable than someone proclaiming that he'll have a long career in the NBA. The point is no one knows just yet.

However what is clear, is that is the kid has demonstrated flashes of some ability. He's come a long way since his his days as an extremely raw 18-year-old, kid in the French league. His most recent performance versus the Warriors was just another indication. It's just a damn shame that the Spurs discarded him without him having been given a full opportunity for regular minutes.

I've said this over and over, but once Dice hangs it up after this season, the Spurs are going to have yet another hole along the frontline. It'll be such a "kick in the groin" if Ian does become a solid rotation player on another team.

[tmtcsc]

How do all of you Ian apologists think the Spurs FO feels ? They used a 1st round pick on him. They worked with him, gave him chance after chance and he just didn't cut it. He couldn't crack the rotation. Do you all really think you know better than the coaching staff that saw him play day after day ? Unbelievable.

As for Splitter, I'm sure he will get more floor time. He's already shown that he's a much smarter player than Ian. There is no comparison. We have the best record in the NBA without him playing many minutes. How can people complain ? What the Spurs are doing is working. Patience everyone, he'll play more in the future.

If Splitter was taking Blair's minutes, I'm sure people would be complaining about that too. Trust Pop, he's got 4 rings and knows what he's doing.

No hate here.

[gospursgojas]

Ian Mahinmi was nothing short of an injury-plagued bust for us. The Spurs spent years trying to develop this project and he came up flat. He was foul prone (which shows a lack of listening and learning skills) and couldn't stay on the court.

If he develops or "gets it" for another team, then good for him. But he didn't cut it here. Bottom line. No harm. He'll show flashes of being an NBA player but the only thing consistent about his game is that he's inconsistent.

This is Ian's description in the most simplest terms. :tu

Does everyone think that "floor time" is the only time that coaches evaluate players???? Quit thinking that just if Ian got some playing time, he would have been any different. Pop had plenty of more oportunites than us to see how Ian was not gonna get it. Be it practice, summer league, etc.

[SenorSpur]

Pop figured Bonner was better than both.

That's the real truth - and the real crime.

Pop fell in love with this player, who gets a longer leash, a new contract, and inordinate amount of court time. All while maintaining a rep for playoff choking.

[SenorSpur]

It seems like Bonner kept the Spurs from developing Ian, and now Bonner is keeping the Spurs from developing Splitter. If only these guys had a three-point shot.

Is Ian's departure the result of the dreaded "organizational arrogance" on the part of the Spurs?

Or is it Pop's sudden metamorphosis into Don Nelson, that has seen him fall in love with players that can shoot the 3-ball, but can't play defense? All the while moving away from players that play a traditional post game.

[Mel_13]

Exactly.

For anyone that "ACTUALLY" watched the game, it was pretty obvious that Ian had a very productive outing. I kept expecting Carlisle to pull him during crunch time, in favor of Haywood. It turns out, he did not. His effort, energy and production were rewarded by the head coach.

The difference is the Mavs seem committed to giving the kid some occasional court time, as opposed to simply deactivating him every game.

That is still very much to be determined.

Before last night's game, Ian had played only 39 minutes in the first 20 games of the season. His season's totals for one quarter of the season were 9 points and 9 rebounds.

Most importantly, he played more than 4:07 only once all season, in the game against the Spurs when Haywood was suspended. So, his only real PT with the Mavs came in one game when Haywood was not available and another game when Chandler was not available. He was also one of two little used French centers that set a career high in rebounding last night. Alex Ajinca (who had played only 3 minutes all) played in the first half when Haywood and Ian were in foul trouble and got 6 rebounds in 9 minutes.

We'll find out if the Mavs have any committment to play Ian once Chandler returns to the line-up. There's only 48 minutes at center and, outside of garbage time, they have been divided between Chandler and Haywood all season.

[SenorSpur]

+10000

the Ian avg season argument is one of the dumbest I ever read in a while.

People can think what they want about him being a bust, solid, filler, worth a bench spot... but using the avg season to back up the fact he is a bust... :lol

I agree with posters saying that it's a pitty spending so much money and time to develop a young prospect to let him go on a rival squad for nothing.

BTW Mavs FO are saying thank you Spurs for teaching him the D fundamental ! Now they can work on a solid basis to improve his O touch.

IMHO baring injuries Ian could become a good big off the bench. I'm not saying he will but he worth the gamble: it's not like this kind of athlete was easy to find nowadays.

Another solid point. Seven-foot tall, athletic bigs are not falling out of the sky.

[Agloco]

Is Ian's departure the result of the dreaded "organizational arrogance" on the part of the Spurs?

Or is it Pop's sudden metamorphosis into Don Nelson, that has seen him fall in love with players that can shoot the 3-ball, but can't play defense? All the while moving away from players that play a traditional post game.

I think your latter argument holds more weight, albeit out of necessity rather than by choice as you seem to imply (apologies if I misread your intent).

Truth is, the 3 best defensive players (and the best post player) the Spurs had are no longer on the roster (Bowen, Horry, Duncan (yes Timmy!!!)). I see this as a case of Pop making due with what he's got available now. It's not pretty at times, but it's beginning to gel as evidenced by the start we've had.

This isn't an argument for Bonner playing X minutes, or Y minutes. What I am saying is that hindsight is always 20/20 and arguing Ian's potential is like getting on the carnival ride that never ends.

[SenorSpur]

How do all of you Ian apologists think the Spurs FO feels ? They used a 1st round pick on him. They worked with him, gave him chance after chance and he just didn't cut it. He couldn't crack the rotation. Do you all really think you know better than the coaching staff that saw him play day after day ? Unbelievable.

As for Splitter, I'm sure he will get more floor time. He's already shown that he's a much smarter player than Ian. There is no comparison. We have the best record in the NBA without him playing many minutes. How can people complain ? What the Spurs are doing is working. Patience everyone, he'll play more in the future.

If Splitter was taking Blair's minutes, I'm sure people would be complaining about that too. Trust Pop, he's got 4 rings and knows what he's doing.

No hate here.

Let's not get all self-righteous and pretend that Pop, or any coach, for that matter, is above criticism or makes ALL the right decisions on personnel. I trust Pop too. He's one of the best coaches in the NBA and certainly one of the best "in-game" strategists the NBA has ever seen. However, that doesn't mean that he doesn't get some things wrong - and he'll probably be the first to admit that. He can be roundly criticized for his man-love attachments to players like Finley, Van Exel and Stoudamire. Veterans who were given long leashes and extended court time because of their resume, iwhen it was clear from their performances, that they were well past their primes.

Pop can be roundly second-guessed many of his decisions. How about benching Hill in the 2008 playoffs - at least up until the 5th and final game. All because he didn't trust him?

Or how about the long leash he continues to extend to the red-headed, 3-point chucker, Bonner? Giving him carte blance' court time, even during games, where he's obviously struggling with his shot.

How about the "slow development boat to China" that Splitter is currently on? The kid is supposedly smart and as Pop likes to say, "knows how to play". However, the decision to keep the kid on the bench - even for multiple games - can indeed be questioned.

Don't get it twisted. It's very possible that he could've erred on Ian.

[admiralsnackbar]

Is Ian's departure the result of the dreaded "organizational arrogance" on the part of the Spurs?

Or is it Pop's sudden metamorphosis into Don Nelson, that has seen him fall in love with players that can shoot the 3-ball, but can't play defense? All the while moving away from players that play a traditional post game.

You omitted the possibility that Ian is redundant with the arrival of Splitter, who even now is clearly more of a player than Ian may ever be even if the box score doesn't necessarily show it. Splitter is smart and experienced with competing at a much higher level, period.

Last season, Ian didn't beat Dice or Blair out of the rotation (despite having size, athleticism, and seniority over DeJuan), and comparing him to Bonner isn't apt since the Red Rocket is more of a role player than a post player. Add Splitter and the weak link is obviously Ian. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, just that he didn't develop enough in his time in SA to merit retention. Hope he continues to grow under Carlisle, even if it does suck we couldn't keep working with him.

As for the issue of the Spurs giving up on D... c'mon, man. We aren't the defensive monsters we've been in seasons past, but we're better than we've been in years, and we are demonstrably improving from game to game. Tony is playing more defense than I've ever seen from him, Neal and Jefferson have been pleasant surprises, Hill is no slouch, and Manu, Tim, and Dice are proving to be far beyond viable, contrary to what their mileage would suggest. Ignoring the possibility of injuries, this squad has nowhere to go but up from the 7th best (last I checked) D in the league.

[JonNOKC]

Wow - 6 pages about nothing - Ian was given and opportunity and on this night against a bad team he took advantage of it - kinda like the Nets last year - go randomly look at scrubs on other teams that have been in NBA 3+ years and chances are a large number of them will have career highs of 16+ pts, or 10+ rebs, 2+ blks, etc - guys at this level have talent and on few nights when stars align put it together (Bonner has scored 28pts in a game, grabbed 17 rebs, and had 3 blocks at times in his career)

Spurs had 4+ years of observing/evaluating this guy and decided to move on - this game certainly doesn't show that decision to be a mistake - Ian is young and maybe he does go on to get it with a different organization - happens all the time in sports to every organization - you can't control guys maturity, effort, priorities, or injuries.

Bottom Line - At this point Ian is just as likely to disappear to the end of the Mavs bench as he is to become a regular contributor to his new team

[mathbzh]

Do you realize this is his 6 season in the NBA and he's been playing professionally since he was 17?

He started playing hoops when he was 15
His first pro season was 2004-2005 (he played 3 games and 4 minutes in 2003-2004)... he was 18 and drafted at the end of that season.
Obviously he still had a lot of things to learn.
Then he had two solid season in Le Havre and Pau (considering he was playing for less than 5 years).
In the D-League he was considered the bigman with the biggest upside.
One season injured...
And no real opportunity since.

I don't miss Mahinmi much but he learned the game rather fast IMO.

[gospursgojas]

Ian's big game on NBTV right now.

Lets all watch and see what could have been :(

[Old School 44]

I also don't think Mahinmi got a fair shot when he was healthy for the Spurs.
BUT, it doesn't really matter anymore. He's in Dallas, so it's time to move on.
I just hope the past "handling" of Mahinmi, doesn't spell a similar fate for Splitter.

[admiralsnackbar]

I also don't think Mahinmi got a fair shot when he was healthy for the Spurs.
BUT, it doesn't really matter anymore. He's in Dallas, so it's time to move on.
I just hope the past "handling" of Mahinmi, doesn't spell a similar fate for Splitter.

One was MVP of the Euroleague Finals he won, the other was... not. That should be enough to assuage everybody's fears.

[in2deep]

Anybody claiming Ian > Bonner is on some really good crack. Ian never proved he was more than a 12th insurance man. Some due to injuries, some due to poor play.

[Mel_13]

One was MVP of the Euroleague Finals he won, the other was... not. That should be enough to assuage everybody's fears.

Your point is well taken, but Splitter was the Spanish League Finals and regular season MVP. He did not play in the Euroleague finals.

[jjktkk]

[QUOTE=admiralsnackbar;4805621][Last season, Ian didn't beat Dice or Blair out of the rotation (despite having size, athleticism, and seniority over DeJuan), and comparing him to Bonner isn't apt since the Red Rocket is more of a role player than a post player. Add Splitter and the weak link is obviously Ian. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, just that he didn't develop enough in his time in SA to merit retention. Hope he continues to grow under Carlisle, even if it does suck we couldn't keep working with him./QUOTE]

Very good point. And considering that Pop added Splitter this year, thats one more big in a crowded position. If It came down to signing either Bonner or Mahimni, IMO, the Spurs made the right call, with signing Bonner. We all know what Bonner can and cannot do. That one thing he can do(make 3's) makes him an asset. Mahimni, has always had the physical talent, but, he is still in a developmental stage, just like Blair and Splitter. It would make no sense to attempt to try and develop 3 young bigs on this Spurs roster. Not enough minutes.

[underdawg]

Anybody claiming Ian > Bonner is on some really good crack. Ian never proved he was more than a 12th insurance man. Some due to injuries, some due to poor play.

not that far fetched of a claim - bonner's a one trick pony and that wouldn't be so bad if he came of the bench for situations that needed a 3 instead of averaging 20 min p/game as a big. Look at Ian's per minute numbers vs. bonner's - he's better in points, rebounds and blocks.

I'm sure I'll get the "Ian only plays in garbage time" argument, but I'd guess over 80% of bonner's shots are when he's wide open.

Actually, I think I would have rather had Tolliver instead of bonner - very comparible numbers at half the price.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

but I'd guess over 80% of bonner's shots are when he's wide open.


If you're talking about 3's, he only shoots when wide open.
And then when you take into consideration that he has failed so far in the playoffs...

I agree with you that Ian over Bonner isn't too farfetched.

[admiralsnackbar]

Your point is well taken, but Splitter was the Spanish League Finals and regular season MVP. He did not play in the Euroleague finals.

A trifling detail! :lol

But seriously : my mistake(s) -- sorry all.

[Mel_13]

Actually, I think I would have rather had Tolliver instead of bonner - very comparible numbers at half the price.

In the world where 32.4% is comparable to 40.9%.

[TJastal]

Everyone is married to this idea that the spurs could not win ballgames without Matt Bonner. I find it kind of comical actually.

[underdawg]

In the world where 32.4% is comparable to 40.9%.

sorry - talking about this year. Matt's 50% and Anthony's 44% from 3, but Tolliver's FG% is 45% while Matt's is 40%. Rebounds per game are better for Tolliver too - I know that's shocking.

[duncan228]

French guys hate Golden State? Not Parker (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/12/08/french-guys-hate-golden-state-not-parker/)
Jeff McDonald

...Parker is happy for Mahinmi, the former Spurs draft pick whose career in San Antonio ended over the summer when the team declined to re-sign him.

“I heard he played great,” said Parker, also a longtime teammate of Mahinmi’s on the French national team. “I’ve been a big supporter of him. I always wanted to see him do great.”

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/12/08/french-guys-hate-golden-state-not-parker/

[TJastal]

sorry - talking about this year. Matt's 50% and Anthony's 44% from 3, but Tolliver's FG% is 45% while Matt's is 40%. Rebounds per game are better for Tolliver too - I know that's shocking.

:lol

Taking away the 3's (which have been uncontested for the most part up till now) Bonner 2pt% is 5-27 (18%).

But keep practicing those uncontested 3's, Matty!

:lmao

[tmtcsc]

Let's not get all self-righteous and pretend that Pop, or any coach, for that matter, is above criticism or makes ALL the right decisions on personnel. I trust Pop too. He's one of the best coaches in the NBA and certainly one of the best "in-game" strategists the NBA has ever seen. However, that doesn't mean that he doesn't get some things wrong - and he'll probably be the first to admit that. He can be roundly criticized for his man-love attachments to players like Finley, Van Exel and Stoudamire. Veterans who were given long leashes and extended court time because of their resume, when it was clear from their performances, that they were well past their primes.

Pop can be roundly second-guessed many of his decisions. How about benching Hill in the 2008 playoffs - at least up until the 5th and final game. All because he didn't trust him?

Or how about the long leash he continues to extend to the red-headed, 3-point chucker, Bonner? Giving him carte blance' court time, even during games, where he's obviously struggling with his shot.

How about the "slow development boat to China" that Splitter is currently on? The kid is supposedly smart and as Pop likes to say, "knows how to play". However, the decision to keep the kid on the bench - even for multiple games - can indeed be questioned.

Don't get it twisted. It's very possible that he could've erred on Ian.


:lol at getting self righteous about someone else.

First off, I understand that Pop's not perfect and neither is the front office. I was exasperated in 2003 in Game 6 against Dallas. Pop was stubbornly keeping Kerr on the bench. He finally let him play and the rest is history.

As for Ian, he was given several years to develop and he didn't. In hindsight, The FO blew it when they drafted him but he showed enough potential to justify the risk.

The hate for Bonner in this forum has reached ridiculous proportions. He's not the greatest player in the world and not the most athletic but he spreads the floor and serves a purpose. He's a shooter. If he's missing shots, you don't just bail on the guy. You let him keep shooting. This team is notorious for bad offensive stretches. Why spotlight Bonner ?

I know Pop has stuck with veterans past their primes but I think it was more of a lack of other options. Not playing G. Hill in the playoffs had more to do with Hill's inexperience. That's why I'm trying to stress that we have NO idea what happens in practice.

How many times did Hill blow a defensive assignment ? How many times during practice did he show an inability to run the team ? How many times did he show indecisiveness ? That's what seems to drive Pop crazy. Maybe Hill was lazy in practice and he didn't seem focused or committed enough to earn minutes. What kind of message would that send to the other players or Hill for that matter if Pop let him play. We have no idea.

[Mel_13]

sorry - talking about this year. Matt's 50% and Anthony's 44% from 3, but Tolliver's FG% is 45% while Matt's is 40%. Rebounds per game are better for Tolliver too - I know that's shocking.

44% on 32 attempts this year. 30.6% on 193 attempts in his career before this year. If you're comparing "stretch 4s", Tolliver is not in Bonner's class and it's really not close. Furthermore, Tolliver was given every chance to take the "stretch 4" role on the Spurs in 2008 and he failed miserably.

The only reason to choose Tolliver over Bonner in the summer of 2010 would have been money. Tolliver would have been a much a cheaper option. An option I would have been happy with, but let's not pretend that Tolliver and Bonner are comparable in the critical skill the Spurs would most value from either one of them.

[dbestpro]

Ian had a good game. If he was in SA he would never see the floor.

Pop plays Bonner too much when he is cold.

Pop should start giving Splitter the burn he needs to iron out the inevitable mistakes.

Duncan should be seeing more rest. As it is right now, he will be dog tired come playoff time.

[TJastal]

The hate for Bonner in this forum has reached ridiculous proportions. He's not the greatest player in the world and not the most athletic but he spreads the floor and serves a purpose. He's a shooter. If he's missing shots, you don't just bail on the guy. You let him keep shooting.

Ah, so you're using Bonner on your fantasy team.

[admiralsnackbar]

Duncan should be seeing more rest. As it is right now, he will be dog tired come playoff time.

I'm more worried about Manu's minutes than Tim's, tbh.

[underdawg]

44% on 32 attempts this year. 30.6% on 193 attempts in his career before this year. If you're comparing "stretch 4s", Tolliver is not in Bonner's class and it's really not close. Furthermore, Tolliver was given every chance to take the "stretch 4" role on the Spurs in 2008 and he failed miserably.

The only reason to choose Tolliver over Bonner in the summer of 2010 would have been money. Tolliver would have been a much a cheaper option. An option I would have been happy with, but let's not pretend that Tolliver and Bonner are comparable in the critical skill the Spurs would most value from either one of them.

see - I don't get that. Matt gives you 2 x 3 pt buckets a game. He might have a 7/7, but then he'll go 0/6 - point is he gives you 2 x 3 pointers per game. He does little else - Tolliver would be comparable as a big because he brings a more traditional skillset of a big and some use as a 3pt shooter. With Neal and Jefferson's increased production from the 3, I don't believe bonner's 3 point services are as needed as some expect. If he stretches the floor - why is he open so much?

I'm not hating on Bonner - he does the best he can, but he's just not good enough to help the Spurs win a title if he's averaging 20 minutes per game. As our big 3 start to wear down this season, our offense will suffer and our defense will become more important. Splitter might help, I'm not sure Blair can and I know Bonner won't.

[SenorSpur]

Why spotlight Bonner?

Because he's a shining example of how some players get a longer leash than others - even when they're sucking. Bonner is a good shooter, but he's a streaky one at that. He may one day break through his penchant for playoff choking, but it hasn't happened yet. He's also a very one-dimensional player, who has done nothing to justify the sustained faith that this organization has in him.

I know Pop has stuck with veterans past their primes but I think it was more of a lack of other options. Not playing G. Hill in the playoffs had more to do with Hill's inexperience. That's why I'm trying to stress that we have NO idea what happens in practice.

Which is precisely why no one on here can proclaim the kid as a bust or that he's instantly ready to become a valuable rotation player. We still don't know.

[Mel_13]

see - I don't get that. Matt gives you 2 x 3 pt buckets a game. He might have a 7/7, but then he'll go 0/6 - point is he gives you 2 x 3 pointers per game. He does little else - Tolliver would be comparable as a big because he brings a more traditional skillset of a big and some use as a 3pt shooter. With Neal and Jefferson's increased production from the 3, I don't believe bonner's 3 point services are as needed as some expect. If he stretches the floor - why is he open so much?

I'm not hating on Bonner - he does the best he can, but he's just not good enough to help the Spurs win a title if he's averaging 20 minutes per game. As our big 3 start to wear down this season, our offense will suffer and our defense will become more important. Splitter might help, I'm not sure Blair can and I know Bonner won't.

1. I was for letting Bonner walk this summer

2. I'm not contending that Bonner for 20 minutes a night is a recipe for success.

3. You vastly overestimate Tolliver's skillset as a big. His career rebounding numbers are very close to Bonner's and it's doubtful he would be any better as a defender for the Spurs.

4. All that said, I would have been happy to see Bonner replaced with Tolliver this past summer. First, it would have opened up about 2M in payroll space. Second, since Tolliver is not Bonner's equal as a shooter, we would have seen more of Splitter and Blair.

5. The point I've made is simple. Tolliver is not comparable to Bonner in the most critical skill desired by the Spurs from either of them. You can make a case for preferring Tolliver over Bonner, just as I have here, but you can't base it on comparable shooting skills.

[wildbill2u]

12 points, 10 rebounds and 1 block versus the Warriors.

I don't give a shit who the opponent is. That's a good stat line from a bench player.

I know those numbers are diminshed, in the eyes of some, because NONE of those points came from behind the arc, but still a good showing from a reserve big man, that the Spurs had no use for.

Dallas fans, sportswriters and Mav coaches are happy over his play overall so far, not just in this game, although he was particularly good last night when given 20 minutes. He's not fouling and although his shot wasn't going down because of getting fouled; he was getting lots of FTs because he was going strong to the rim.He also changed a couple of shots that failed because of his defense.

He could be one of those guys who doesn't show up well in practice but does a lot better in games.

[underdawg]

5. The point I've made is simple. Tolliver is not comparable to Bonner in the most critical skill desired by the Spurs from either of them. You can make a case for preferring Tolliver over Bonner, just as I have here, but you can't base it on comparable shooting skills.

And the point I made is simple - Bonner is being used as a big more than a 3 point shooter, so based on big stats you get more bang for your buck with someone like Tolliver.

I'm not saying your point is invalid - it just wasn't part of what I was saying.

[Mel_13]

And the point I made is simple - Bonner is being used as a big more than a 3 point shooter, so based on big stats you get more bang for your buck with someone like Tolliver.

I'm not saying your point is invalid - it just wasn't part of what I was saying.

I've read your first post on this again. It certainly reads as if that was very much part of what you were saying, but if you meant something else then there's nothing left to talk about.

:toast

[tmtcsc]

Ah, so you're using Bonner on your fantasy team.

:lol Bonner and Fantasy don't belong in the same sentence.

[tmtcsc]

Which is precisely why no one on here can proclaim the kid as a bust or that he's instantly ready to become a valuable rotation player. We still don't know.

The Spurs decided after 4 or 5 years that they'd seen enough to let him walk. That's good enough for me.

Scola.. that was a total cluster f8ck by the FO, and he's showed them how bad a decision it was to trade him. No excuse for that. Perhaps the worst debacle and handling of a player since letting Rod Strickland walk for nothing.

[TJastal]

:lol Bonner and Fantasy don't belong in the same sentence.

Unless your attending a Popper meeting. Speaking of, maybe you should take a flyer and see what its all about. Have a few Chumpdumper raspberry cookies and hear some good live music.

[Brazil]

What other metric do you propose? There are many, so throw a few out there. Or is this about his stellar performance in last nights game?

when we talk about a young prospect getting some spot minutes once in a while, i'm sorry but season average metric is stupid. If he doesn't get consistent PT in a reasonable time frame then call him a bust for not cracking any nba team rotation, untill that, you can only base your analysis by seeing him play and by figuring out his ceiling.

What the point to say this guy is a bust because he got 1,2 pt, 0,9 reb and 0,02 blk per game in 5 mn, these 5 mn coming from DNP, 10 mn in garbage time, DNP, 2 mn, 15 mn etc... ?

BTW with the spurs his per 36 mn stat was very good.

[mathbzh]

BTW with the spurs his per 36 mn stat was very good.

22 pts 11 rbds 63% 3rd PER on the team (21.6) behind Tim and Manu.
...

Career stats per 36 min: 21 pts (57%) 11 rbds 2blks

I am not sure Agloco really wants to evaluate Ian through his garbage time minutes :rolleyes

[Solid D]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/files/2010/12/17120339-BKN-SPURS-MAVERICKS-09-11_26_2010.jpg

[LeCrab]

Just turned off the mavs game Ian Mahimi is beasting again :depressed:depressed

[Ditty]

2 points lecrab really

[rmt]

IMO, Scola was the worst mess up by the FO - a polished, big game experienced, gritty forward who plays Odom perfectly.

After the sweep by the Suns and lack of 3pt shooting last year, I can see why Bonner was re-signed. However, with the addition of Anderson, the pleasant surprise of Neal and RJ's resurgence, Bonner is not as necessary.

I would prefer Mahinmi's current play over Bonner. We know Bonner chokes in the playoffs - at least the jury is still out on that for Mahinmi. Mahinmi is the young, athletic center/forward the Spurs are missing. I'm hoping Pop goes with Neal in the playoffs if he needs a 3 pointer. Neal looks cold-blooded (unlike Bonner).

[E-RockWill]

Would-a, could-a, should-a....

Let it go, people...let it go...

[Bartleby]

Just turned off the mavs game Ian Mahimi is beasting again :depressed:depressed

You're being sarcastic, right?

[stxspurs]

You're being sarcastic, right?

you mean 4ps and 3 rebs is not considered "beasting":(

[ChuckD]

Are you guys complaining in Mavs forums about Carlisle wasting the gem that is Ian Mahinmi?

That's two coaches in a row that don't find minutes for French Jesus.

[TE]

Ian won't be any better than Splitter. Get over it fellow spurfans.

[gospursgojas]

you mean 4ps and 3 rebs is not considered "beasting":(

:lol

[spurtech09]

mahinmi is still a whimp