Top 5 SG's in the League

[jARS mEsH sEt]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=3634017

NBA Today 12/8

Ryan Russillo was talking about this on NBA Today. Who are the top 5 SG's in the league (not just top 5 this year but top 5 for a while now - past performance matters).

His top 3 he considers locks at Bryant/Wade/Ginobili. He's pretty sure about the 4 spot being held down by Joe Johnson which I'm fine with.

Blazers fans don't fret - he gave Brandon Roy his due and said that he'd easily be top 5 were it not for his injury right now. Barring injuries B.Roy is obviously top 5, but being injured...yeah.

Who's the 5th best shooting guard in the league? Russillo says Eric Gordon hasn't done it for long enough to be considered top 5; I agree.

I'm inclined to say Kevin Martin. Thoughts? Monta Ellis?

Problem with guys like Ellis though - you can't really go by scoring alone. Guy takes a fuck ton of shots per game.


Russillo's rankings:
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Ginobili
============
4. Joe Johnson (B.Roy if healthy)
5. ??? (B.Roy if healthy)

Kevin Martin/Monta Ellis/Jason Richardson?

Vince Carter isn't anywhere near what he used to be. Ray Allen - ehhhhhh.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's a pretty big drop-off after the top 4, even though Joe Johnson hasn't been that good..

I'm not a fan of any of the next few guys..Martin, Ellis, Richardson and Gordon..

If I had to pick, I would go:

5. Martin
6. Ellis
7. Gordon
8. Richardson

You can debate the order in many ways though, it's really close, although Richardson is more difficult to compare, since his role is much different than the others..

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Jason Terry also probably deserves strong consideration. Stephen Jackson I'm hesitant to put into the discussion mainly because he's been doing it on a terrible team. It's just not that impressive when your team is fucking terrible.

JET though...Mavericks have been an elite team for a while now and Terry has always been in the loop among "partial" second options on Dallas among kidd, butler, and himself.

I'm thinking 5-8 spot right now. I might give Jason Terry the nod over Eric Gordon to be honest if you consider the past few years - not just this season alone.

[TDMVPDPOY]

thead fail

JJ is not top5

[Sisk]

I will never be able to comprehend why jj got a max contract... makes less sense than rashard lewis' contract

[21_Blessings]

Kobe
Wade
Gordon
Manu
Johnson

[024]

if we are going by the past 20 games, i will go with ginobili 1, kobe 2, wade 3. no joke. ginobili playing like the best shooting guard right now.

[8FOR!3]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Manu Ginobili
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Joe Johnson
5. Monta Ellis
---
6. Eric Gordon
7. Kevin Martin

I'd say that's the upper echelon at that position right now.

[namlook]

if we are going by the past 20 games, i will go with ginobili 1, kobe 2, wade 3. no joke. ginobili playing like the best shooting guard right now.

We all know Manu is not the best shooting guard. Why do people keep saying "but...but...for these 5 games he was!" It just sounds so desperate to try and validate Manu like this. He's someone who has not been able to log heavy minutes in his career because he's fragile. When he's healthy and he's on his game he's great, but the story of his career is he's great in spurts and this is why he has only been an all-star once in his career. The big picture is that he's a good player and sometimes a great player, but he's not the best SG in the NBA and he will never be the best.

[8FOR!3]

We all know Manu is not the best shooting guard. Why do people keep saying "but...but...for these 5 games he was!" It just sounds so desperate to try and validate Manu like this. He's someone who has not been able to log heavy minutes in his career because he's fragile. When he's healthy and he's on his game he's great, but the story of his career is he's great in spurts and this is why he has only been an all-star once in his career. The big picture is that he's a good player and sometimes a great player, but he's not the best SG in the NBA and he will never be the best.

Actually, so far this year he's clearly been the best SG in the NBA. What happens the rest of the season remains to be seen.

[Koolaid_Man]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=3634017

NBA Today 12/8

Ryan Russillo was talking about this on NBA Today. Who are the top 5 SG's in the league (not just top 5 this year but top 5 for a while now - past performance matters).

His top 3 he considers locks at Bryant/Wade/Ginobili. He's pretty sure about the 4 spot being held down by Joe Johnson which I'm fine with.

Blazers fans don't fret - he gave Brandon Roy his due and said that he'd easily be top 5 were it not for his injury right now. Barring injuries B.Roy is obviously top 5, but being injured...yeah.

Who's the 5th best shooting guard in the league? Russillo says Eric Gordon hasn't done it for long enough to be considered top 5; I agree.

I'm inclined to say Kevin Martin. Thoughts? Monta Ellis?

Problem with guys like Ellis though - you can't really go by scoring alone. Guy takes a fuck ton of shots per game.


Russillo's rankings:
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Ginobili
============
4. Joe Johnson (B.Roy if healthy)
5. ??? (B.Roy if healthy)

Kevin Martin/Monta Ellis/Jason Richardson?

Vince Carter isn't anywhere near what he used to be. Ray Allen - ehhhhhh.

I don't give a shit...all that fucking shit is meaningless right now...The NBA is boring to me right now...I'm just waiting for the Play-offs and subsequent title game...and banner parade...in the interim perhaps I shall fill my time with more white-water rafting...

[024]

We all know Manu is not the best shooting guard. Why do people keep saying "but...but...for these 5 games he was!" It just sounds so desperate to try and validate Manu like this. He's someone who has not been able to log heavy minutes in his career because he's fragile. When he's healthy and he's on his game he's great, but the story of his career is he's great in spurts and this is why he has only been an all-star once in his career. The big picture is that he's a good player and sometimes a great player, but he's not the best SG in the NBA and he will never be the best.
clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

[namlook]

clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

I wasn't just referring to your comments. There is a pattern here that people try to claim Manu is the best because for a certain stretch of games he played great. He's not the best and never will be. He has never been able to sustain great play and this is why he is a one time all-star.

[kamikazi_player]

to me so far, I think this is my top 10
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Manu
4. JJ
5. Martin
6. Monta
7. Richardson
8. Gordon
9. Stephen Jackson? If he's considered a sg
10. Ray Allen

[The Gemini Method]

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Manu
4. Montae
5. Gordon

[lefty]

We all know Manu is not the best shooting guard. Why do people keep saying "but...but...for these 5 games he was!" It just sounds so desperate to try and validate Manu like this. He's someone who has not been able to log heavy minutes in his career because he's fragile. When he's healthy and he's on his game he's great, but the story of his career is he's great in spurts and this is why he has only been an all-star once in his career. The big picture is that he's a good player and sometimes a great player, but he's not the best SG in the NBA and he will never be the best.
Well, Manu could average 27 ppg if he wanted to, but he isnt a fucking ballhog

Besides, he is always injureed because he does the little things the Kobes and Wades of this world don't do: diving for lose balls, etc....

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Eric Gordon has only been in the league for 2 years. By default he hasn't done enough to warrant being in the top 5.

Where's the kevin martin love? Guy's performed well for much longer than Eric Gordon has, and both are on shitty teams (right now). EG's done enough to be in the top 10 overall because his play THIS YEAR has been so spectacular, but we're not talking about top SGs THIS YEAR alone.

[SpursDynasty85]

Top Shooting gaurds:

1. Dwayne Wade (Miami has been over achieving everyear he's been healthy)
2. Kobe Bryant ( Kobe is the most skilled player to ever play this game. Kobe needs to assert his will more to be on Jordan's Level).
3.Manu Ginobili (In a short game series, Manu is a 3way tie with these guys. But hes still inconsistent and turns the ball over during stretches)
4.Joe Johnson (The guy doesn't have the athleticism and energy of the guys above, but he is solid in every single area)
5.Jason Richardson (This guy is super efficient, Super athletic, and a the best 3 point shooter at present right now)


These are the only mentionable players... Andre Iguodala has been in decline since age 25 for some reason. Kevin martin is a ballerina. Monta Ellis would be shitty on a true contender.

[SpursDynasty85]

O yes. Eric Gordon is still too young. He would probably be tied with Monta Ellis at #6. But #6 doesn't matter in this discussion.

[JayTheClown]

I will never be able to comprehend why jj got a max contract... makes less sense than rashard lewis' contract

I agree with you, but to be fair to the Magic at least Lewis was signed after a pretty good year, while JJ was dismail playoffs. Why the Hawks signed to that contract is beyond me.

[Roddy Beaubois]

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Manu Ginobili
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Joe Johnson
5. Monta Ellis
---
6. Eric Gordon
7. Kevin Martin

I'd say that's the upper echelon at that position right now.

:lmao

[JayTheClown]

:lmao

Its laughable how Spurs fans overrate Manu. He is an all-star player, but he aint Kobe or Wade.:lol

[LeCrab]

How can you put wade ahead of manu?.. in every game they have ever played against each other manu has beasted on wade...

PKM-AmdQ0SU

[LeCrab]

And jason terry is no where near top 15 sg.....

[LeCrab]

meh laker fans... manu could put up kobe numbers if he shot 30 times a game .....

[Ace]

Manu better than Wade or Kobe? :lmao

[DPG21920]

He is playing better at the moment. But he is obviously, for his career, not at their level.

[JayTheClown]

And jason terry is no where near top 15 sg.....

and no one in the city of Cleveland is top 15 in anything

[Roddy Beaubois]

and no one in the city of Cleveland is top 15 in anything

Hes not a cav fan, hes a spurfan who took one of Jamstone trolls and made it terrible.

[Ace]

Hes not a cav fan, hes a spurfan who took one of Jamstone trolls and made it terrible.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/943/turrible.jpg

[SA210]

Well, Manu could average 27 ppg if he wanted to, but he isnt a fucking ballhog

Besides, he is always injureed because he does the little things the Kobes and Wades of this world don't do: diving for lose balls, etc....

This

[SpursDynasty85]

Well, Manu could average 27 ppg if he wanted to, but he isnt a fucking ballhog

Besides, he is always injureed because he does the little things the Kobes and Wades of this world don't do: diving for lose balls, etc....



Still doesnt' make Manu better than Wade or Kobe. No disrespect but his body nor body of work hold up against Wade's or Kobe's.

[rayjayjohnson]

Problem with guys like Ellis though - you can't really go by scoring alone. Guy takes a fuck ton of shots per game.


1. Kobe




errrrrrrrr?

[rayjayjohnson]

How can you put wade ahead of manu?.. in every game they have ever played against each other manu has beasted on wade...

PKM-AmdQ0SU

jesus the heat announcers are some bitchy ass faggots.

[rayjayjohnson]

1. aaron afflalo
2. kobe
3. wade
4. manu
5. jj


only kidding. i do love afflalo tho.

[jestersmash]

afflalo actually has one of the top 3 true shooting percentages of all shooting guards in the league.

Top shooting guards by true shooting percentage -

1 Jodie Meeks, PHI 14 21.2 .681 7.3 8.2 15.8 0.4 4.3 2.4 15.85 22.4 0.7
2 DeShawn Stevenson, DAL 19 13.1 .675 18.1 8.5 13.6 2.0 8.3 5.3 14.62 15.3 0.5
3 Arron Afflalo, DEN 21 35.1 .640 16.9 10.0 13.4 1.7 10.9 6.3 13.75 35.7 1.2
4 Manu Ginobili, SA 21 32.4 .626 21.7 9.9 24.5 1.9 11.1 6.5 24.66 143.7 4.8
5 Kevin Martin, HOU 21 32.3 .621 11.0 10.4 25.5 0.9 9.6 5.3 20.74 103.6 3.5
6 Ray Allen, BOS 22 36.4 .611 17.2 8.5 18.2 2.2 8.5 5.6 16.50 71.8 2.4
Cartier Martin, WSH 17 9.2 .611 4.4 11.9 16.6 3.7 12.4 7.9 14.74 9.9 0.3
8 Landry Fields, NY 23 30.9 .595 15.1 11.4 13.2 6.7 21.6 14.2 14.87 43.1 1.4
9 Anthony Morrow, NJ 23 35.3 .590 9.2 8.6 15.2 1.9 8.9 5.4 11.70 14.5 0.5
10 Josh Childress, PHX 22 17.4 .589 14.1 12.0 13.1 9.5 12.1 10.8 14.27 21.5 0.7

Wade is ranked 24th, Kobe is ranked 28th.

Jodie Meeks, DeShawn Stevenson, and Arron Afflalo. Who would've thought? I've been keeping my eye on all 3 for the past couple of games.

[skut_farkus]

manu is a top 5 shooting guard fo sho.. probably 5 tbqmfh

[DAF86]

Question: Why does Manu have a reputation of being fragile and injury prone but Wade doesn't?

[Danny.Zhu]

No. 5 should be Jason Terry.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Question: Why does Manu have a reputation of being fragile and injury prone but Wade doesn't?

idk. You should bring the topic up at the next Church of Manu gathering imho.

[Roddy Beaubois]

No. 5 should be Jason Terry.

No it shouldn't

[rickross]

Question: Why does Manu have a reputation of being fragile and injury prone but Wade doesn't?

you fanatical faggots from 3rd world countries make me laugh.
Tell me nigga, when did manu do something like dis on da grand stage?
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Oh yeah, manu was holdin hands wit parker while timmy dragged dem.

[Muser]

Kevin Martin should be nowhere near top 5, J-Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin.

[jermaine]

Its laughable how Spurs fans overrate Manu. He is an all-star player, but he aint Kobe or Wade.:lol
As a basketball fan, not a certain team fan. You'll be a dam fool to say Wade is player better ball than Manu. As of right now Manu is the best SG in the league. Kobe was looking shook-up last night. Wade have came out with al least 5 games with 5 points or less!

[Cessation]

"kobe most skilled to ever play the game"
lol

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Manu better than Wade or Kobe? :lmao

Manu is definitely better than Wade. If you weren't a bandwagon faggot who just jumped on when the Heat formed the Justice League of the NBA, you'd know that in every Spurs/Heat game, Manu shows Wade up, he outplays him in every aspect.

Whether you like it or not, Ginobili is a top notch player, and even if he wasn't a Spur, I'd have the decency to still acknowledge that fact.

but you're a faggot, so I guess it's different.

& btw, I don't think Manu is better than Kobe. Just Wade, and Wade is closely behind him.

[Ace]

Manu is definitely better than Wade. If you weren't a bandwagon faggot who just jumped on when the Heat formed the Justice League of the NBA, you'd know that in every Spurs/Heat game, Manu shows Wade up, he outplays him in every aspect.

Whether you like it or not, Ginobili is a top notch player, and even if he wasn't a Spur, I'd have the decency to still acknowledge that fact.

but you're a faggot, so I guess it's different.

& btw, I don't think Manu is better than Kobe. Just Wade, and Wade is closely behind him.

Roger Mason :lmao

[SpursDynasty85]

Manu is definitely better than Wade. If you weren't a bandwagon faggot who just jumped on when the Heat formed the Justice League of the NBA, you'd know that in every Spurs/Heat game, Manu shows Wade up, he outplays him in every aspect.

Whether you like it or not, Ginobili is a top notch player, and even if he wasn't a Spur, I'd have the decency to still acknowledge that fact.

but you're a faggot, so I guess it's different.

& btw, I don't think Manu is better than Kobe. Just Wade, and Wade is closely behind him.


No offense but this is retarded. Everyone always talks about how Wade gets showed up by Kobe. And now people are talking about Wade getting showed up by Manu!? Wade has been carrying the Heat since 06 at the age of 24. His best partners in crime have been Old ass Shaq,Shawn marion, and Michael Beasley.

And if you havent' noticed, he's been lighting it up lately with Lebron James. His avg's are still better than Manu's.

Manu and Kobe are on wayyy better teams. Its easy to be out performed when your stuck trying to do EVERYTHING for your team..

Im a spurs fan since 94, will always BE! But lets be real. Kobe and Wade are easily the top two, with Manu being mentioned solely for his top play at times! Manu hasn't carried the load like these guys have, and if you saw last night, he definitely dissappears and plays bad during stretches.

[Ace]

Wade > Manu

I already had this argument with you pussy hurt bitches upstairs and grey Spur fan is not worth the time to have it again. Find the thread and try to bring something worth while to the discussion besides a block on youtube.

[DAF86]

you fanatical faggots from 3rd world countries make me laugh.
Tell me nigga, when did manu do something like dis on da grand stage?
l5n7UEEkw8M
Oh yeah, manu was holdin hands wit parker while timmy dragged dem.

lol are you serious? You really don't know much about Manu's career

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=250517024

Has Wade ever done it taking only 15 shots?


Either way, I don't know what this has to do with the fact that Wade (in one less year as an NBA player) has missed more games because of injuries than Manu, yet Manu is the one with the injury prone reputation.

[SpursDynasty85]

lol are you serious? You really don't know much about Manu's career

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=250517024 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=250517024)

Has Wade ever done it taking only 15 shots?


Either way, I don't know what this has to do with the fact that Wade (in one less year as an NBA player) has missed more games because of injuries than Manu, yet Manu is the one with the injury prone reputation.


Ok, But Wade beat the Mavs by himself in the 06 finals. Did you forget the mavs had just beaten the spurs just 1 week earlier? Wade became the best player in the league in that playoffs.

[DAF86]

Ok, But Wade beat the Mavs by himself in the 06 finals. Did you forget the mavs had just beaten the spurs just 1 week earlier? Wade became the best player in the league in that playoffs.

Don't get it twisted, I'm not saying Manu > Wade

To me the SG ranking goes:

1-Wade
2-Kobe
3-Manu

I was just educating this post "big three" Heat fan about Manu's play during the playoffs, and questioning most fans and the media hypocrisy of calling Manu injury prone and not Wade when Ginobili in one more year as an NBA player has missed less time than Wade.

[Ace]

Don't get it twisted, I'm not saying Manu > Wade

To me the SG ranking goes:

1-Wade
2-Kobe
3-Manu

I was just educating this post "big three" Heat fan about Manu's play during the playoffs, and questioning most fans and the media hypocrisy of calling Manu injury prone and not Wade when Ginobili in one more year as an NBA player has missed less time than Wade.
You realize he's a troll and your getting trolled?

[DAF86]

You realize he's a troll and your getting trolled?

Maybe, but it still helps to get my point across.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Tyreke is top 5 IMO

[MmP]

Manu is not better than Kobe or Wade (he's 33), the phiscal ability of those two make them slightly better. But when it counts Manu has that extra plus than any other player has. Still makes hime the 3rd best SG.

Wow, I remember when a skinny white guy came into the league, he had some hops and fancy plays and now he's a top SG, it's amazing how much Manu's grown.

[ohmwrecker]

1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Manu
4. Ellis
5. Jackson
6. Johnson
7. Gordon
8. Allen
9. Richardson
10. Roy

[DJB]

In all seriousness. Not even being a homer. I'll take Manu over Wade any time any day.

[sefant77]

D. Stevenson

[lil_penny]

if roy is right and says he can continue with performances such as last nights hes back in the top 3 or 4 again imho.. he looked like his old self last night.

[LeCrab]

Feel bad for roy he could of been a top 5 PLAYER in the world... even with is injury he is still a beast

[lil_penny]

Feel bad for roy he could of been a top 5 PLAYER in the world... even with is injury he is still a beast


yea the dude really does wanna play and help the team.. alot of people on here give him a negative ball hog type status but in all honesty i watch every game and thats not the case some things where said but thats been it, on the court hes all about the team and trying to better it when healthy hes a 21 5 and 5 type guy and can show hes able to score more when its needed, hes had injury problems and no doubt he will continue with them but i dont think hes done hes had a few bad games this season but nothing where he looked like a 2nd comming of 31 year old tmac imo. hes never been a fast player but its never stopped him hes real crafty and a great mid range shooter his percentages have dipped a bit this season but he knows when hes having a bad night shooting hes able to do other things to help. not just chuck up 20 shots trying score.

[rayjayjohnson]

I'd take Manu over wade, but I heard something about white people being unable to jump