Cam Newton or Vince Young

[Blake]

Vince

Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD

2005 325 212 65.2 3,036 26 10 163.9 147 993 6.8 12



Newton

Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg TD

2010 246 165 67.1 2589 28 6 188.16 242 1409 5.8 20

I'd take Vince because I've seen him more, but the stats slightly favor Newton.

[DesignatedT]

Newton if he wins the NC.

Vince if he doesn't.

[elbamba]

I'd take Vince because I've seen him more, but the stats slightly favor Newton.

I have not been watching the games. I do know that VY hardly played into the 4th quarter. Some games, like KU in 2005 Vince played the first series, through a TD and sat the rest of the second half.

His numbers could have been record breaking if he had played all game.

Again, I don't know how GC is playing Newton. It seems like there have been a couple of close games. Any SEC team can give Auburn a run for their money on any given gameday.

[Blake]

I have not been watching the games. I do know that VY hardly played into the 4th quarter. Some games, like KU in 2005 Vince played the first series, through a TD and sat the rest of the second half.

His numbers could have been record breaking if he had played all game.

Again, I don't know how GC is playing Newton. It seems like there have been a couple of close games. Any SEC team can give Auburn a run for their money on any given gameday.

In 6 of the 13 games, Auburn went over the 50 point mark. He didn't finish a lot of the games either.

[dirk4mvp]

Newton. He's doing what he's doing with a significantly less talented supporting cast.

[DesignatedT]

Texas had better overall talent than Auburn does also. As mentioned above, VY's # probably took a hit because they were beating the shit out of everyone they played.

[johngateswhiteley]

newton, and its not even close.

[lebomb]

Newtons passes appear more accurate to me.

[Kermit]

newton, and its not even close.

:lmao

Poor jgw.

[Blake]

newton, and its not even close.

so you are saying Newton would have also crushed USC in the same/more devastating manner.

and actually, it's pretty close.

[romad_20]

Living in Austin seeing VY play and being a SEC fan gives me a pretty good perspective on them. I would say Cam is a much better passer at this point in his career, maybe a better passer than Vince right now. As far as being clutch and hard to bring down on the run its a tie. I think VY was a little more elusive in the open field. Cam is bigger. Its close but I really think Cam will be the better NFL prospect. College players, I'd say its a tie if Newton wins the NCG and the Heisman.

[johngateswhiteley]

so you are saying Newton would have also crushed USC in the same/more devastating manner.

and actually, it's pretty close.

if they played as shitty, sure. unbiased viewers know SC could & should have blown t.u. away.

[johngateswhiteley]

:lmao

Poor jgw.

watch what he does in the nfl.

[Jose Canseco]

Newton doesn't look like any QB I've seen before. He's a freak. Vince was a freak too, but Newton seems like an ever bigger freak. Plus, he doesn't have that awkward throwing delivery Vince had. That's just based on what I've seen, not the actual stats. Stats wise, it does look close and does favor Cam a little bit. But just off watching both play and just the physical tools (not necessarily the football intelligence), I think Newton is better. There have been other college football players who had all the physical tools to be great, at different positions, but just didn't translate to the NFL for whatever reason. But just based on this college football season, I think Newton was the more impressive freak than 2005 VY.

[Blake]

if they played as shitty, sure. unbiased viewers know SC could & should have blown t.u. away.

:lol unbiased viewers cam away knowing Vince deserved the Heisman over Bush after that game.

[Blake]

watch what he does in the nfl.

what they does in the NFL is irrelevant to what they do in college.

but we'll revisit again and see if Cam is an allpro after his rookie year in the NFL like Vince was.

[johngateswhiteley]

what they does in the NFL is irrelevant to what they do in college.

but we'll revisit again and see if Cam is an allpro after his rookie year in the NFL like Vince was.


true. but i'm saying he is better in college and also later in the nfl. and vyoung wasn't good his rookie year, that was a team award. jesus.

[Blake]

vyoung wasn't good his rookie year, that was a team award. jesus.

Offensive rookie of the year is not a team award any more than any other award is. And the whole Titans team didn't go to the pro bowl......but Vince did.

Based on your posting style and off predictions, I'm betting you thought Leinart would be the better NFL QB. I'm betting you're butthurt that you're wrong about it because of the jesus bomb.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

newton, and its not even close.

:lmao

some wounds just never heal

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Offensive rookie of the year is not a team award any more than any other award is. And the whole Titans team didn't go to the pro bowl......but Vince did.

Based on your posting style and off predictions, I'm betting you thought Leinart would be the better NFL QB. I'm betting you're butthurt that you're wrong about it because of the jesus bomb.

He created a legendary thread "USC Greatness in the NFL" during Leinart and Bush's rookie years.

Now Reggie is an injury-prone punt-returner and Matt can't even find a place that wants his ass :lmao

[Blake]

He created a legendary thread "USC Greatness in the NFL" during Leinart and Bush's rookie years.


I thought I recalled something like that.

may need to revisit.

[dirk4mvp]

Newton doesn't look like any QB I've seen before. He's a freak. Vince was a freak too, but Newton seems like an ever bigger freak. Plus, he doesn't have that awkward throwing delivery Vince had. That's just based on what I've seen, not the actual stats. Stats wise, it does look close and does favor Cam a little bit. But just off watching both play and just the physical tools (not necessarily the football intelligence), I think Newton is better. There have been other college football players who had all the physical tools to be great, at different positions, but just didn't translate to the NFL for whatever reason. But just based on this college football season, I think Newton was the more impressive freak than 2005 VY.

+1

He's a better pro prospect due to not throwing like a fagle.

And if we're talking about football intelligence, VY is excluded right away since he has none.

[DesignatedT]

No question Cam is the more intelligent individual :lol

Vince is one dumb fuck.

[symple19]

Newton if he wins the NC.

Vince if he doesn't.


Newton. He's doing what he's doing with a significantly less talented supporting cast.

These two statements basically represent what I think. Cam and Auburn have to seal the deal for me to put Cam ahead of Vince.

Vince was amazing at extending plays, probably better than Cam is. VY, IMO, had a few more jaw dropping type plays than CN has. Finally, Vince played the single most unbelievable game I've ever seen a guy turn in on the gridiron against USC

I'll give Newton the edge in the passing department, as well as in the pro-prospect category. (Although I still think Vince can become a solid NFL QB if he can ever stay healthy). Numbers wise, he is a little better and put those numbers up against slightly better competition

As for being leaders, it's a wash. AU and Texas fed off of what they do/did on the field. As these players went, so did the team

And both of these guys were/are much better than Teblow... MUCH better

[monosylab1k]

:lmao vince young haters treating Cam Newton like he's Black Jesus because they think that will somehow take away from VY's career.

Vince still put together the single greatest game in college football history, against a team everybody touted as the GOAT before the NC game was even played. And Chris Johnson/Titans Defense wasn't around for det one.

[Kermit]

+1

He's a better pro prospect due to not throwing like a fagle.

And if we're talking about football intelligence, VY is excluded right away since he has none.

Hard to argue, but let's not act like Cam is some Rhodes Scholar. He's done some stupid shit too.

[Pelicans78]

Newton would have torched that USC defense. That was a terrible defense during the season. Alot of teams put up points against USC that year. However, USC would have torched Auburn's defense as well. Not sure if Newton would have scored enough to win. I believe Texas had a better defense compared to this Auburn defense.

[Pelicans78]

Give him a 50 question IQ test how many do you think he gets right :lol

Depends which test he signs his name too.

[Ignignokt]

That USC team was overrated.

THe big 12 was overrated.

Aggie gave UT a scare..


The national Champs Bama gave AUburn a scare.


SEC'10 > Big 12

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Taking my trolling hat off.

I think it's unfair to Vince and Cam to have an "either, or" discussion about the two players. They are probably different in plenty of ways too, but we just have to compare them because they're black athletic quarterbacks on great teams.

It's impossible to properly say who is "better." First of all no one can agree on what "better" even means.


Vince had a team loaded with NFL talent on both sides of the ball. And he hardly played 2nd half of some games his junior year.
Cam is doing it more all by himself and plays in a more difficult competitive conference.
Vince was not a flash in the pan season guy....he dominated his sophomore year in record, and stats, and put on the greatest Rose Bowl performance in history (prior to his second Rose Bowl performance which outdid even that...).
Cam is only going to have one year to cement his legacy.
Vince went against "The Greatest College Football Team of All Time" and singlehandedly emasculated them and their fanbase.
Cam is going against arguably One of the Best College Offenses of all time, and will probably have to produce VY-like numbers to win if his defense is not ready.
It's just two totally different scenarios and situations, you can't get a good grasp on anything above the subjective level.

Naturally, as a longhorn, if my team were down 6 points with 1 minute left, the ball in our hands, there isn't one single QB I would want on my side over Vince Young. He led just as many 4th Q comebacks in his career as Cam did, but his legacy is done and he has already proved he is a winner.

Cam's story is still unfolding. Plus he's got this ridiculous drama around him and his eligibility is on a Reggie-Bush level.

It's two totally different stories, both are bad ass fuckin players, and they are what they are.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

That USC team was overrated.


Hahahaha, it's funny because when ESPN declares you "The Greatest College Team Of All Time" and runs a weekly special comparing your team to other historic college teams....how is it possible NOT to be overrated? :lol

People were even saying USC could probably beat lower-tier NFL teams that season :lmao

[Pelicans78]

rofl are you a UT/mavs/Saints fan now?

Actually I said earlier Newton would torch that same USC defense.

I was just picking on Cam.

[ShoogarBear]

Taking my trolling hat off.

I think it's unfair to Vince and Cam to have an "either, or" discussion about the two players. They are probably different in plenty of ways too, but we just have to compare them because they're black athletic quarterbacks on great teams.

It's impossible to properly say who is "better." First of all no one can agree on what "better" even means.


Vince had a team loaded with NFL talent on both sides of the ball. And he hardly played 2nd half of some games his junior year.
Cam is doing it more all by himself and plays in a more difficult competitive conference.
Vince was not a flash in the pan season guy....he dominated his sophomore year in record, and stats, and put on the greatest Rose Bowl performance in history (prior to his second Rose Bowl performance which outdid even that...).
Cam is only going to have one year to cement his legacy.
Vince went against "The Greatest College Football Team of All Time" and singlehandedly emasculated them and their fanbase.
Cam is going against arguably One of the Best College Offenses of all time, and will probably have to produce VY-like numbers to win if his defense is not ready.
It's just two totally different scenarios and situations, you can't get a good grasp on anything above the subjective level.

Naturally, as a longhorn, if my team were down 6 points with 1 minute left, the ball in our hands, there isn't one single QB I would want on my side over Vince Young. He led just as many 4th Q comebacks in his career as Cam did, but his legacy is done and he has already proved he is a winner.

Cam's story is still unfolding. Plus he's got this ridiculous drama around him and his eligibility is on a Reggie-Bush level.

It's two totally different stories, both are bad ass fuckin players, and they are what they are.

/thread

[Cant_Be_Faded]

test

[johngateswhiteley]

Newton would have torched that USC defense. That was a terrible defense during the season. Alot of teams put up points against USC that year.


injuries are what allowed most of that.



CBF,

this oregon offense is good, but i would not put it above 2005 USC.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

injuries are what allowed most of that.



CBF,

this oregon offense is good, but i would not put it above 2005 USC.

USC 2005 Stats

Rushing:
260 YPG
51 TD's



Passing:
319 YPG
32 TD

Total:
579.9 Yards Per Game

49.077 Points Per Game



Oregon 2010 Stats:


Rushing:
303.5 YPG
42 TD's


Passing:
233.7 YPG
29 TD's


Total:
537 Yards Per Game

49.3 Points Per Game


Seeing as how Oregon has one game to go, I'd say they are pretty comparable.

[johngateswhiteley]

USC 2005 Stats

Rushing:
260 YPG
51 TD's



Passing:
319 YPG
32 TD

Total:
579.9 Yards Per Game

49.077 Points Per Game



Oregon 2010 Stats:


Rushing:
303.5 YPG
42 TD's


Passing:
233.7 YPG
29 TD's


Total:
537 Yards Per Game

49.3 Points Per Game


Seeing as how Oregon has one game to go, I'd say they are pretty comparable.

thats funny. i wasn't even thinking about stats, though its nice to see USC's are higher. aside from that, watching the 2 offenses closely, i'll take USC by a decent margin.

just my opinion, these 2 teams in the title game, while they are the best this year and the BCS got it right, aren't all that special. lots of good teams in cfb this year, and a few very good, but none special.

[Blake]

They are probably different in plenty of ways too, but we just have to compare them because they're black athletic quarterbacks on great teams.



meh.

plenty of Tebow/Vince comparisons have been made as well. Skin color was not on my list of reasons to compare Cam/Vince.

[symple19]

thats funny. i wasn't even thinking about stats, though its nice to see USC's are higher. aside from that, watching the 2 offenses closely, i'll take USC by a decent margin.

just my opinion, these 2 teams in the title game, while they are the best this year and the BCS got it right, aren't all that special. lots of good teams in cfb this year, and a few very good, but none special.

I'm so tired of your homerism. Any team you don't pull for is, "not that special". Any player not on a team you root for is average. You are the most excuse filled poster on ST.
:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:s leep:sleep:sleep

[johngateswhiteley]

I'm so tired of your homerism. Any team you don't pull for is, "not that special". Any player not on a team you root for is average. You are the most excuse filled poster on ST.
:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:sleep:s leep:sleep:sleep

excuse? there wasn't a one in my last post; simply my opinion. i cannot say 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2008 usc, 2005 t.u., 2006 florida, etc were special teams? oregon and auburn are the best teams this year, but neither is a complete team.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

all that smack talk and youre team's crowning achievement was a championship over freakin oklahoma university. The most purely overrated over hyped program this side of ohio state.

Jason White = L O L my cousin's peewee flag football team could have beat that OU team.

Jason freakin White dude.

[johngateswhiteley]

all that smack talk and youre team's crowning achievement was a championship over freakin oklahoma university. The most purely overrated over hyped program this side of ohio state.

Jason White = L O L my cousin's peewee flag football team could have beat that OU team.

Jason freakin White dude.

and yet, they overshadowed t.u. in the big 12; undefeated going into the title game. how many big 12 titles does ou have? t.u.? what i thought, shut the fuck up.


i wasn't aware USC got to pick their opponent in the title game. should have been more than 2 titles, but dems da breaks.

[rjv]

newton has much better throwing mechanics, is just as big and mobile and seems to be as competitive. i'd take newton.