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SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 02:35 AM

Cry Havoc

12-11-2010, 02:37 AM

I would never ever refer to Bowen as a "filler".

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 02:39 AM

I would never ever refer to Bowen as a "filler".

Bowen is the ULTIMATE FILLER in the best way possible. He was exactly what popovich was looking for. He was ultimately effective because of the BIG 3.

Johnny RIngo

12-11-2010, 02:42 AM

I think our championship hopes rely more on our big three being healthy in the post-season.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 02:48 AM

well duh, your missing my point... If anyone of the top 8 players gets injured the spur's chances will drop tremendously. Were winning because of our depth and versatility to score. My point is that RJ/Blair/Hill will have to make the jump to the Parker/Ginobili/Duncan type impact. Can't rely solely on the big 3 to do everything and the rest of the team filling in like before.

poop

12-11-2010, 02:51 AM

we need ALL our guys to stay healthy while at the same time needing a key player for LA and Boston to get injured/drama to have a serious contention at the Title

jestersmash

12-11-2010, 02:52 AM

Did this guy seriously call an 8 time All-Defense 1st or 2nd team player and arguably the best perimeter defender of the decade a "filler"?

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 02:53 AM

:wowhttp://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2008/results/2008atlanticcity_calo.JPG
HOLY POOP!

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 02:54 AM

Did this guy seriously call an 8 time All-Defense 1st or 2nd team player and arguably the best perimeter defender of the decade a "filler"?

At least on offense he was.:rolleyes

jestersmash

12-11-2010, 02:58 AM

That's irrelevant. Ben Wallace during his glory days in Detroit was terrible on offense. He had a terrible shot. He was terrible at the line. He virtually had no offensive game.

And yet he most certainly wasn't a "filler" on that team. His rebounding and interior defense were absolutely critical to Detroit's success back then. Calling him a filler just because he didn't put points on the board would be making a mockery of his contributions to that team, similar to what you're doing with Bruce Bowen.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 03:08 AM

And yet he most certainly wasn't a "filler" on that team. His rebounding and interior defense were absolutely critical to Detroit's success back then. Calling him a filler just because he didn't put points on the board would be making a mockery of his contributions to that team, similar to what you're doing with Bruce Bowen.

Wow, I love Bowen. I really didn't mean to discredit him. I guess I did. Bowens D is awesome. But clearly it was the Spurs BIG 3 and NOT BIG 4. When I say filler, I dont mean it as disrespect. Just like Scottie Pippen being Robin to Michael's batman. Its just how I perceived it. Bowen would not be mentioned among the greats if it wasn't for how well he fit the spurs. And how well, the spurs BIG 3 allowed Bowen to stay on the floor, even though his offense was terrible and he shot free throws worse than he did fieldgoals...

jjktkk

12-11-2010, 03:10 AM

we need ALL our guys to stay healthy while at the same time needing a key player for LA and Boston to get injured/drama to have a serious contention at the Title

Disagree with the Spurs needing LA, or Boston, to have one of their key players get injured.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 03:20 AM

Lakers and Boston when healthy are dam near impossible to beat. But I NEVER count out my spurs. Well I never have sofar...

GSH

12-11-2010, 03:24 AM

jjktkk

12-11-2010, 03:43 AM

[QUOTE=SpursDynasty85;4812974] When I say filler, I dont mean it as disrespect. Just like Scottie Pippen being Robin to Michael's batman.QUOTE]

You need to quit while you can. Pippen is a HOFer. Fillers don't get elected into the HOF.

jjktkk

12-11-2010, 03:45 AM

poop

12-11-2010, 03:50 AM

Bowen is one of those guys who will never be a star, never get lots of attention/credit...yet will always be among the first guys you want on your team.

unfortunately there is no 'stat' for his type of contribution.

Danny.Zhu

12-11-2010, 06:01 AM

I would say Splitter is the key against Lakers' bigs.

mingus

12-11-2010, 06:22 AM

Bowen was not filler, and he most definitely did make it a big 4. I'll admit that when he was playing for SA I didn't have this notion. In retrospect, he was.

rascal

12-11-2010, 10:27 AM

You do know that Bowen scored almost the same number of points in his career as Steve Kerr, even though he played 3 fewer seasons than Kerr? All while working his ass off being one of the best perimeter defenders to ever play the game?

What is that suppose to prove? Kerr is some type of all star. Kerr was a role player or filler player.

spurspokesman

12-11-2010, 10:30 AM

Our champion ship hopes rely solely on our ability to deal with the leagues premier fronttcourts like boston orlando and LA and you can throw Dallas in there for sure and we have only played dallas and orl of those four and we are 1-1. So its not looking to promising despite our phenomenal start. It can be done but its not looking to promising. Our rebounding aint to stellar against bigger teams nowaday to add. But we definetely have a punchers chance at 5 no doubt.:toast

rascal

12-11-2010, 11:13 AM

This is gonna be a short thread.

Our championship hopes rely on Dejuan Blair,George Hill, and Richard Jefferson becoming the backbone of our offense. Duncan/Parker/Ginobili are still the leaders and go-to-guys at the end, but Duncan and Ginobili are too old to be doing it night-in-night-out as they were in prior years. What will put the team on top is if Dejuan Blair,George Hill, and RJ can have consistent impact and help the spurs become a BIG 6.

Pre 2008 Spurs had the BIG 3 featuring fillers like Horry/Bowen/Finley.

2010 Spurs need the BIG 6 to win the championship.

The championship hopes rests on being able to match up with the Lakers size advantage.

rascal

12-11-2010, 11:16 AM

I would say Splitter is the key against Lakers' bigs.

I don't like the prospects if you are relying on Splitter.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 12:56 PM

The championship hopes rests on being able to match up with the Lakers size advantage.

This is what I thought going into this year. But, why just try and build your team to match one team. This is what the Mavs did in 06 by building a team that could beat the Spurs, then completely breakdown vs the Heat then Warriors in the playoffs.

If Blair and Hill take the next step, with out this, Mcdyess and Splitter can do all they can, but were not winning the championship

Hoops Czar

12-11-2010, 01:01 PM

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And yet he most certainly wasn't a "filler" on that team. His rebounding and interior defense were absolutely critical to Detroit's success back then. Calling him a filler just because he didn't put points on the board would be making a mockery of his contributions to that team, similar to what you're doing with Bruce Bowen.

Kind of a clownish statement. Bowen was most DEFINITELY a filler. If one of the big three goes down, bowen isn't going to replace one of them. He has a specific role which is to be a lock-down defender with some occasional corner three's. That's like saying Malik Rose wasn't a filler because of his ability to get offensive rebounds and put backs or Robert Horry's uncanny ability to hit clutch three's, grab offensive and defensive rebounds and score in the paint, and let's not forget blocking shots on the defensive end. Without Horry, there is no 2005 championship. In totality, Make no mistake about it, Bowen was a great role player who specialized on the defensive end. He wasn't brought to lead the team to victory night in and night out. Therefore, he was a filler or role player.

xmas1997

12-11-2010, 01:13 PM

Too early yet in the season to contemplate this IMHO.
Splitter hasn't been totally integrated into the system, nor is he familiar with all the players he'll be competing against.
I'm quite sure the coaching staff is fully aware of this and are bringing him on slowly so he contributes in the most positive way possible as soon as possible ala Dice, Blair, Hill, and RJ.
No need to rush that. If he is ready by the playoffs, that will be fine with me.
Same goes for Anderson when he gets back.
Contrary to popular belief, there is a learning curve in integrating well with the Spurs system.:hat

Frenzy

12-11-2010, 02:13 PM

We just need to be bad ass all around ...is that what your saying? Haha

xmas1997

12-11-2010, 02:26 PM

Just consider the weakest link for a moment, Udoka.
All in all, defensively he isn't that bad and actually pretty decent, especially for a part time player to replace Anderson until he comes back.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 03:18 PM

We just need to be bad ass all around ...is that what your saying? Haha

:downspin:

TampaDude

12-11-2010, 03:22 PM

We're gonna win #5 this year. It's in the bag. Done deal. Book it.

GO SPURS GO!!!!!

alucardthereaper

12-11-2010, 04:01 PM

game by game just one at the time....

DieHardSpursFan1537

12-11-2010, 04:28 PM

Younger players like Blair and Hill must step up. I agree with you on that. And Tiago will have to continue to improve his game so he'll be ready for the playoffs.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 07:32 PM

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167991:toast (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167991) hope this continues.

GSH

12-11-2010, 07:54 PM

What is that suppose to prove? Kerr is some type of all star. Kerr was a role player or filler player.

You want to argue semantics - fine. Filler usually means something worthless used to take up space. Like dirt. The Bulls would very likely be a ring or two short if they hadn't had Kerr on that team. The Spurs would very likely be a ring or two short if not for Bowen locking down the best player on the other teams night after night. Hell, the Spurs might have one less ring if not for Kerr steadying the ship a couple of times during the playoffs.

Those guys were integral parts of championship teams. Calling them filler suggests that you could have put any warm body in their place and get the same results. Like it or not, words have meanings - they are no more interchangeable than basketball players.

If Bowen was just filler, then Ime Udoka should have been able to step right into his spot with the same results. You're not suggesting that Bowen and Ime are anywhere in the same class are you? Ime was filler. Bowen wasn't. Period.

angelbelow

12-11-2010, 07:57 PM

This is gonna be a short thread.

Our championship hopes rely on Dejuan Blair,George Hill, and Richard Jefferson becoming the backbone of our offense. Duncan/Parker/Ginobili are still the leaders and go-to-guys at the end, but Duncan and Ginobili are too old to be doing it night-in-night-out as they were in prior years. What will put the team on top is if Dejuan Blair,George Hill, and RJ can have consistent impact and help the spurs become a BIG 6.

Pre 2008 Spurs had the BIG 3 featuring fillers like Horry/Bowen/Finley.

2010 Spurs need the BIG 6 to win the championship.

"Rely" and "Backbone" is too strong IMO, esp on offense. They need to be consistent on both offense AND defense.

I agree with where youre going with this, whenever you can get efficient scoring games from RJ, Hill and Blair, the spurs are in great shape to win games.

JustinJDW

12-11-2010, 09:33 PM

Our Championships hopes depend on how we respond to big elite frontcourts, and Pop's coaching and rotation with our own frontcourt in response to those opposing elite frontcourts.

SpursDynasty85

12-11-2010, 10:40 PM

You want to argue semantics - fine. Filler usually means something worthless used to take up space. Like dirt. The Bulls would very likely be a ring or two short if they hadn't had Kerr on that team. The Spurs would very likely be a ring or two short if not for Bowen locking down the best player on the other teams night after night. Hell, the Spurs might have one less ring if not for Kerr steadying the ship a couple of times during the playoffs.

Those guys were integral parts of championship teams. Calling them filler suggests that you could have put any warm body in their place and get the same results. Like it or not, words have meanings - they are no more interchangeable than basketball players.

If Bowen was just filler, then Ime Udoka should have been able to step right into his spot with the same results. You're not suggesting that Bowen and Ime are anywhere in the same class are you? Ime was filler. Bowen wasn't. Period.

I really think your the one arguing semantics. You will be hard pressed to find a knowledgable spurs fan who discredits what Bowen meant to the spurs. I admit, Bowen = Filler is too harsh and I apologize. But his duties were to "FILL" two duties. Play the best defender and make the corner 3. I don't think he ever had more responsibilities than these two things. He is a glorified Filler. He was still the reason we won a championship because to be a champion you have to be a "complete team" and Bowen fit that mold perfectly. Its easy to say "Filler" too because we always refer to Bowen's role as "we need to FILL IN the small forward position" etc..

If you wanna fight back about it, I understand, but in no way did I suggest he was just some throw away player like your saying...

"Rely" and "Backbone" is too strong IMO, esp on offense. They need to be consistent on both offense AND defense.

I agree with where youre going with this, whenever you can get efficient scoring games from RJ, Hill and Blair, the spurs are in great shape to win games.

Not just efficient but, I think its time for George Hill and Dejuan Blair to step up and really be a catalyst in our offense. Its time to give Manu and Timmy a break, they deserve it:( I spoke too soon on RJ. I don't expect anything more than RJ the sharp shooter role.

mabrignani

12-12-2010, 12:27 AM

bowen was not a filler. he was as crucial to the spurs winning or losing as any other player. his defense on the opposing teams best player night in night out will never be forgotten by true spurs fans

lebron is a filler

gospursgojas

12-12-2010, 01:09 AM

I would never ever refer to Bowen as a "filler".

Yes most def.

When Bowen was in the lineup it was the big 4 IMO

GSH

12-12-2010, 04:15 AM

Is zero to none.

Your avatar pic on the side of the ring is a nice touch. No comment on the trolling, but pretty funny on the Photoshop job.

100%duncan

12-12-2010, 07:25 AM

Without Bowen Spurs would not get three of those rings he's no filler

buttsR4rebounding

12-12-2010, 07:35 AM

we need ALL our guys to stay healthy while at the same time needing a key player for LA and Boston to get injured/drama to have a serious contention at the Title

You are a stooge. Just because a team does well one year in the playoffs doesn't mean they carry that forward. Right now Boston is playing the best ball in the league IMO. Their defense has been awesome. The Lakers just aren't the same team they were last year. Right now they have to be considered 3rd in line behind both SA and Dallas. Injuries may play a roll ultimately, but the Spurs chances are more dependant IMO on improving on the defensive end some. If they can move from 11th in points allowed to 6th or 7th I would take them against anyone in the league in a7 game series.

DMC

12-12-2010, 07:00 PM

Is zero to none.
That's your chances of being laid without the use of a handgun and rope.

DMC

12-12-2010, 07:05 PM

we need ALL our guys to stay healthy while at the same time needing a key player for LA and Boston to get injured/drama to have a serious contention at the Title

You obviously are a tool and surely you know it. Not even turds are that stupid.

The Spurs have a chance. No one needs to get hurt. It's a fucking game dipshit.