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Parker2112
12-11-2010, 12:38 PM
Is Ron Paul finally in position to really do something about the Federal Reserve? U.S. Representative Spencer Bachus, the chairman-elect of the House Financial Services Committee, has announced that Ron Paul will chair the domestic monetary policy subcommittee starting next month.

This puts Ron Paul in tremendous position to be able to put significant pressure on the Federal Reserve. In previous years Ron Paul has introduced legislation to end the Federal Reserve but it never got any traction. During this most recent session of Congress an effort by Ron Paul to have a full audit of the Federal Reserve conducted gathered quite a bit of momentum for a while, but in the end it did not get passed. However, a very limited examination of Fed activities during the recent financial crisis was passed, and that examination has revealed some really shocking things. With so many Tea Party members entering Congress this upcoming session there may be more momentum than ever to hold the Federal Reserve more accountable. Ron Paul is already talking about how he is planning for a full slate of hearings on U.S. monetary policy and he has indicated that he plans to restart a push to have the Fed audited.

And why shouldn't the Federal Reserve be fully audited? The Federal Reserve has more power over the U.S. economy than any other institution and yet it has not been subjected to a comprehensive audit since it was created back in 1913.

So what would an audit accomplish?

Well, it would hopefully expose what is going on inside the Federal Reserve.

A very, very limited examination of Fed transactions that occurred during the recent financial crisis forced the Federal Reserve to reveal the details of 21,000 transactions stretching from December 2007 to July 2010 that totaled more than 3 trillion dollars. It turns out that the Federal Reserve was just handing out gigantic piles of nearly interest-free cash (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/trillions-in-secret-fed-bailouts-for-global-corporations-and-foreign-banks-has-the-federal-reserve-become-a-completely-unaccountable-global-bailout-machine) to their friends at the largest banks, financial institutions and corporations all over the globe.

These revelations have many members of Congress wondering what else has been going on inside the Federal Reserve.[/URL]

For example, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders [URL="http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/news/economy/fed_reserve_data_release/index.htm?section=money_news_economy&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_news_economy+%28E conomy+News%29&utm_content=Google+Reader"]was absolutely outraged (http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/news/economy/fed_reserve_data_release/index.htm?section=money_news_economy&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_news_economy+%28E conomy+News%29&utm_content=Google+Reader) by these "backdoor bailouts" by the Federal Reserve....

"The $700 billion Wall Street bailout turned out to be pocket change compared to trillions and trillions of dollars in near zero interest loans and other financial arrangements that the Federal Reserve doled out to every major financial institution."
More members of Congress than at any other time in recent memory are openly wondering if it is now time "to pull back the curtain" at the Federal Reserve. For those who would like to see the power of the Federal Reserve greatly diminished, there should be one primary goal right now.
Expose the Federal Reserve.

The truth is that the more the American people learn about the Federal Reserve and about what it has been doing the more they disapprove.
During his farewell speech (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-09/ron-paul-author-of-end-the-fed-to-lead-fed-oversight-panel.html) on the floor of the U.S. Senate this week, Senator Jim Bunning noted that as the American people become increasingly aware of what the Federal Reserve is doing the less they like it....

"Public awareness of what the Fed is doing is increasing while public opinion of the Fed is falling."
Unfortunately, the views of Ron Paul and other anti-Federal Reserve members of the Tea Party movement are strongly opposed by many other members of the Republican Party.

In a recent Bloomberg Television interview (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-09/ron-paul-author-of-end-the-fed-to-lead-fed-oversight-panel.html), Barney Frank noted this division within the ranks of the Republicans....

"I do not believe that Ron Paul’s views on the Fed represent the views of most Republicans."
However, there is evidence that the tide is turning with the American public.

According to a recent Bloomberg National Poll (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-09/more-than-half-of-americans-want-fed-reined-in-or-abolished.html), the number of Americans that would like to see the Federal Reserve held more accountable or even completely abolished is increasing....

Asked if the central bank should be more accountable to Congress, left independent or abolished entirely, 39 percent said it should be held more accountable and 16 percent that it should be abolished. Only 37 percent favor the status quo.
Those are very exciting numbers. A majority of Americans now want the power of the Federal Reserve to be reduced or they want it shut down entirely.

If Ron Paul is able to get a comprehensive audit of the Federal Reserve passed, the revelations that would come out of that would certainly turn public opinion against the Fed even more.

So what is so bad about the Federal Reserve?

Well, think of it as a perpetual debt machine.

Did you know that the U.S. national debt is 5,000 times larger than it was a hundred years ago?

That's right - back in 1910, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, the national debt was only about $2.6 billion (http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo3.htm).

Since that time, our debt has been endlessly skyrocketing.

Under the Federal Reserve system, the U.S. government cannot just go out and print money. It is actually the Federal Reserve that issues our currency.

The way our system works, whenever the U.S. government arranges for the Federal Reserve to issue more currency, more government debt is created at the same time. In fact, as I have written about previously (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/debt-money-money-debt), all of our money is now based on debt.

No debt, no money.

What we desperately need is for the current monetary system to be scrapped. The federal government should take back the power to issue currency and should implement a new system based on money that is debt-free.

The truth is that it is insane that any sovereign government should have to go into debt just to produce more of its own currency.

Instead, what we have under the Federal Reserve system is a money supply that will forever be expanding, a currency that will forever be deteriorating in value and a national debt that will continue to skyrocket until the entire system collapses.

Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-reasons-why-the-federal-reserve-is-bad) of its purchasing power. This continual debasement of our currency is called "inflation" and it is a hidden tax on every man, woman and child in the United States.

It is absolutely guaranteed that every single dollar that you own will go down in value over the long-term.

But the American people have come to accept that a constantly expanding national debt and a currency that is constantly losing value is the most "rational" economic system that humanity has ever come up with.

So who benefits from all this?

Well, for fiscal year 2010 the U.S. government paid out over 413 billion dollars (http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm) in interest on the national debt. In future years that number is projected to rapidly skyrocket even more.

Wouldn't you like to be getting a nice chunk of that 413 billion dollars?
It turns out that loaning money to the U.S. government is very, very profitable.

That 413 billion dollars is money that was transferred from the American people to the U.S. government, and then transferred from the U.S. government to big financial institutions, foreign countries, and very wealthy bankers.

So what did we get in return for our 413 billion dollars?

Nothing.

Sadly, this is not just going on in the United States. This is going on literally in almost every nation on earth.

All over the world sovereign governments are drowning in debt and so they have to drain their citizens dry so that they can meet their obligations.
In the book of Proverbs, it tells us that "the rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender." Americans like to think that they live in "the land of the free", but the truth is that we have become enslaved to debt.

But even worse, we have consigned our children and our grandchildren to a lifetime of debt. They will have to work all of their lives to pay trillions of dollars in interest on all of the debt that we have accumulated in this generation.

How would you like to be born into a world where the previous generation had racked up a $13 trillion debt that now you were expected to pay off?
There is a reason why people like Ron Paul are so obsessed with the Federal Reserve. It is not because they don't have anything better to do. It is because the future of our country literally hangs in the balance.
Throughout American history (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/quotes-about-the-federal-reserve-and-central-banking), presidents, top members of Congress and leading business people have warned us about the dangers of having a central bank. In fact, even though our young people are no longer taught this, the debate over central banking was one of the most important themes in early American history.

But we didn't listen to the warnings.

We were convinced that we knew better.

Well, now we have an economic system that is dying and a $13 trillion debt that we are passing along to our children and to our grandchildren.

Perhaps we were not as smart as we thought we were.



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MannyIsGod
12-11-2010, 12:53 PM
Only after he cures cancer.

MannyIsGod
12-11-2010, 12:53 PM
And raises the dead.

boutons_deux
12-11-2010, 12:55 PM
'Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power"

A precedes B, therefore A causes B.

CosmicCowboy
12-11-2010, 01:19 PM
:lmao with Manny!:toast:toast:toast:toast

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 01:24 PM
'Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power"

A precedes B, therefore A causes B.

you forgot the part about...


The way our system works, whenever the U.S. government arranges for the Federal Reserve to issue more currency, more government debt is created at the same time. In fact, as I have written about previously (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/debt-money-money-debt), all of our money is now based on debt.

No debt, no money.

makes for a much stronger argument, which is inconvenient to your analysis. try again if you like.

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 01:26 PM
:lmao with Manny!:toast:toast:toast:toast

did you hear that ron may push to legalize gold and silver as legal tender as a free market option to our doomed paper money?

Progress doesnt have to be an all or nothing proposition.

Cant_Be_Faded
12-11-2010, 01:32 PM
The underlying problem is that even if somehow The Fed was done away with....who the fuck would control the money supply? We want the government to do it? Might as well have NAMBLA control it over the government.

It's lose-lose. Fiat currencies are designed to fail no matter who controls them.

Nbadan
12-11-2010, 01:32 PM
globalists want to have it both ways.....keep giving me the cheap Oriental shit but bring back the gold standard! Pfff....buying into globlism is buying into the IMF...

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 01:48 PM
The underlying problem is that even if somehow The Fed was done away with....who the fuck would control the money supply? We want the government to do it? Might as well have NAMBLA control it over the government.

It's lose-lose. Fiat currencies are designed to fail no matter who controls them.

The constitution granted the power to the US treasury, not private bankers. The fact that we dont trust our govt is not relevant to what must be done here.

Cant_Be_Faded
12-11-2010, 03:47 PM
So the private bankers control the US Treasury anyways, the top names in the Treasury are totally interchangeable with the Fed and private banker elites. It would be a nominal change only.

Wild Cobra
12-11-2010, 07:27 PM
'Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power"

A precedes B, therefore A causes B.

How much has the German currancy lost since 1913?

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 07:31 PM
So the private bankers control the US Treasury anyways, the top names in the Treasury are totally interchangeable with the Fed and private banker elites. It would be a nominal change only.

do you believe in the rule of law? or only comply with law if it produces a different result than the one we already have?

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 07:38 PM
US treasury answer to the people. thats the whole point. at least change would be possible. as it stands, we cant even stop the fed from giving away billions to recipients of its choosing and sticking taxpayers with the bills.

Better to bring currency back under the fallible political system than to leave it out of our reach and claim helplessness.

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 07:39 PM
How much has the German currancy lost since 1913?

why arent the resident conservatives speaking out on this issue at all, WC?

doesnt make a damn bit of sense to me. Are you guys waiting on your Fox-News marching orders, or wth?

Wild Cobra
12-11-2010, 07:50 PM
why arent the resident conservatives speaking out on this issue at all, WC?

doesnt make a damn bit of sense to me. Are you guys waiting on your Fox-News marching orders, or wth?
I don't see the inflation we had over the last 100 years as anything special. That's why i brought up Germany. I suggest you look at what real hyperinflation looks like. I think it's laughable that people use that term for our economy falling into that category.

Parker2112
12-11-2010, 08:09 PM
I don't see the inflation we had over the last 100 years as anything special. That's why i brought up Germany. I suggest you look at what real hyperinflation looks like. I think it's laughable that people use that term for our economy falling into that category.

so 3 billion spread out to private interests and foriegn countries on OUR TAXPAYER TAB is no big deal, huh?

Galileo
12-11-2010, 08:30 PM
Ron Paul, by executive order, end the Fed on his first day in office.

Cant_Be_Faded
12-12-2010, 03:12 AM
do you believe in the rule of law? or only comply with law if it produces a different result than the one we already have?

Neither.

You are making me make ChumpDumper-esque responses with your posts.

admiralsnackbar
12-12-2010, 07:56 PM
No offense, but if your new thread is about "the awakening," this one has to be about "the dreaming," Parker.

The Fed isn't going anywhere, for better or worse.

Parker2112
12-12-2010, 08:03 PM
One year ago, hardly anyone would have been able to envision a time when ending the fed would be openly talked about in the MSM.

change happens

besides if you follow Ron, he has some very interesting alternatives (legalizing gold/silver as currency) in the works...

admiralsnackbar
12-12-2010, 08:16 PM
One year ago, hardly anyone would have been able to envision a time when ending the fed would be openly talked about in the MSM.

change happens

besides if you follow Ron, he has some very interesting alternatives (legalizing gold/silver as currency) in the works...

The Fed is too deeply entrenched in the global economy at this point to go away, IMO. I'd say it would take both a revolution and a world war for the Fed to be excised (if you could excise an entity from a country that didn't exist anymore, I mean).

Parker2112
12-12-2010, 10:47 PM
I hope youre not right, but I understand what your saying.

And it seems like they (fed gov) want to trigger large scale rebellion (vs. TSA, HS) in order to put the clamps down before it ever reaches anything faintly resembling a revolution.

admiralsnackbar
12-12-2010, 10:59 PM
I tend to think the federal government is too inept to stay on message enough to foster or quash dissidents. There are enough private enterprises that profit from the current system of murky currency valuation disseminating bullshit (see: Americans for Prosperity, aka the Tea Party) that there's no need for governmental intervention. My 2 cents.

spursncowboys
12-12-2010, 11:07 PM
Instead of abolishing the Fed, they could start to strip away their new-found powers to regulate. Then make a money increasing rule that our elected officials cannot use for re-elections. Maybe not exactly a Monetarist policy but something close to it.

admiralsnackbar
12-12-2010, 11:54 PM
The Fed has, from its inception, been a regulatory body, but I don't understand what you mean by "a money increasing rule that our elected officials cannot use for re-elections."

Care to say more?

Wild Cobra
12-14-2010, 09:28 AM
The Fed is too deeply entrenched in the global economy at this point to go away, IMO. I'd say it would take both a revolution and a world war for the Fed to be excised (if you could excise an entity from a country that didn't exist anymore, I mean).
I would say it needed congressional oversight, if congress didn't prove to always be so fucked up themselves.

spursncowboys
12-14-2010, 09:41 AM
The Fed has, from its inception, been a regulatory body, but I don't understand what you mean by "a money increasing rule that our elected officials cannot use for re-elections."

Care to say more?
sure. producing money that coincided with our inflation rate, and economic growth. This is just a general idea. Like I said before, as long as they start by stripping their newfound powers they (fed) have been given.

RandomGuy
12-14-2010, 03:29 PM
'Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913, the U.S. dollar has lost over 95 percent of its purchasing power"

A precedes B, therefore A causes B.

It is an example of lying by omission.

While an individual dollar has lost "purchasing" power due to inflation, productivity gains have far exeeded the lost value.

The end result is that for any unit of labor, the purchasing power of that unit of labor is greater than it was in 1913.

http://fc43.com/opub/cwc/cm20030124ar03p1.htm

(also found this bit, showing wages adjusted for inflation)
http://pw1.netcom.com/~rdavis2/wagegap.html

A good wage in 1913 was around .75 dollars per hour.

Run the numbers, 95% loss in value = 1/20th the value. Reverse this to find equivalent wages today.

.75*20= 15

Most plumbers these days make more than $15 per hour, and remember, this was a GOOD union wage back then.

If people's wages outpace inflation, isn't that an important point to make, if you are talking about this topic? Why didn't the author of the OP make that point?

Parker2112
12-14-2010, 03:40 PM
It is an example of lying by omission.

While an individual dollar has lost "purchasing" power due to inflation, productivity gains have far exeeded the lost value.

The end result is that for any unit of labor, the purchasing power of that unit of labor is greater than it was in 1913.

http://fc43.com/opub/cwc/cm20030124ar03p1.htm

(also found this bit, showing wages adjusted for inflation)
http://pw1.netcom.com/~rdavis2/wagegap.html

A good wage in 1913 was around .75 dollars per hour.

Run the numbers, 95% loss in value = 1/20th the value. Reverse this to find equivalent wages today.

.75*20= 15

Most plumbers these days make more than $15 per hour, and remember, this was a GOOD union wage back then.

If people's wages outpace inflation, isn't that an important point to make, if you are talking about this topic? Why didn't the author of the OP make that point?

1st: nice concise explanation. :tu
2nd: why can't we have both? :stirpot:
3rd: if we could, wouldnt that preclude the contention that this assertion about the FRA is a "lie by omission?"