Muschamp to Florida

[DesignatedT]

Looks like he's bailing. People confirming everywhere now.

Texas on the market for 2 coordinators this off-season lol

[DesignatedT]

http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2010/12/11/1870550/associated-press-confirms-will-muschamp-will-be-the-head-coach-of-the


http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2010/will-muschamp-to-be-announced-tonight-as-florida-head-coach/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101212/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_florida_muschamp

[LakerHater]

AP source: Muschamp to be head coach at Florida

By JIM VERTUNO, AP Sports Writer 18 minutes


AUSTIN, Texas (AP)—A person familiar with the decision says Texas defensive coordinator Will Muschamp has accepted an offer to be the head coach at Florida.
Muschamp, who just finished his third season at Texas, where he was the head-coach-in-waiting to succeed Mack Brown, replaces Urban Meyer at Florida.

The person confirming the move spoke on condition of anonymity because a formal announcement had not yet been made.
Muschamp leaves one of the nation’s premier programs for another. Between them, Texas and Florida have won three national championships since 2005.
But both teams fell on hard times this year. The Gators were 7-5 and Texas fell to 5-7 in Brown’s first losing season with the Longhorns.
Muschamp was one of top-earning assistants in the country with a $900,000 annual salary.
Mushamp’s previous stints as an assistant coach include LSU and Auburn and the Miami Dolphins in the NFL.
Muschamp’s move to the Gators leaves Brown with another hole to fill on his staff. On Monday, Texas offensive coordinator Greg Davis resigned and offensive line coach Mac McWhorter and special teams coordinator and defensive line coach Mike Tolleson retired.
Texas hired Muschamp away from Auburn before the 2008 season and Texas went 25-2 in his first two seasons. He had not yet finished his first season with the Longhorns when the school announced it had offered him the coach-in-waiting position even though Brown said he had no plans to retire.
That made some wonder if Muschamp would be willing to wait and the offer from Florida, with it’s pedigree, top-flight facilities proximity to top high school athletes and its history in the Southeastern Conference, was too good to pass up.
Texas and Florida officials did not immediately comment but news was breaking on social media web sites.
Former Florida quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow wrote on Twitter: “(Welcome) to the (Gator) family Coach Muschamp! You’ll soon find out why it’s great to be a Florida Gator! God bless and Go Gators.”

[ChumpDumper]

Don't post AP articles.

[crc21209]

Wow....Texas is going down the drain now...:td

[DesignatedT]

Sources saying Applewhite is leaving with Muschamp................ :lmao if this is true.....



Just confirmed with two sources that Major Applewhite is expected to follow Will Muschamp to Florida as the school's new OC.

[Mr. Peabody]

This is terrible. UT never had great recruits or defensive coordinators before Will Muschamp.

[johngateswhiteley]

This is terrible. UT never had great recruits or defensive coordinators before Will Muschamp.

yeah, yeah. still pretty cool if you're the rest of the big 10.

[Kermit]

What. The. Fuck?

Sweet Jesus' hairy nuts.

Duane Akina rumored to FL as well.

[leemajors]

:lmao

Good Job Mack

[Sisk]

Full meltdown:

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/78859-BON-says-Florida-is-reaching-out-to-Muschamp/page7

"fuck mack brown I'm rooting for UTSA now" is all over there.. :lmao

[The Reckoning]

meh i was expecting for heads to roll. honestly i thought it would mack brown before applewhite or muschamp.

oh well

[IronMexican]

Is Muschamp going to coach for UT's bowl game?

[Kermit]

Is Muschamp going to coach for UT's bowl game?

:lmao

[Blake]

the whole 'coach-in-waiting' thing was weird, especially with Mack Brown looking like he will stay for another 10+ years.

[Kermit]

the whole 'coach-in-waiting' thing was weird, especially with Mack Brown looking like he will stay for another 10+ years.

That was obviously just for show. Probably to keep Boom there for 2009. Mack's got Peternoitis.

[johngateswhiteley]

Is Muschamp going to coach for UT's bowl game?

fucking classic. damn...

[Kermit]

Looking like Randy Shannon is the early leader to replace Boom.

[DesignatedT]

Is Muschamp going to coach for UT's bowl game?

:rollin

[symple19]

Great hire for UF. Have thought highly of him since his LSU days, and, of course, Auburn.

[Thompson]

Blood in the water, those highly rated Texas recruits are stunned and disoriented. Coaches from schools all over the the country are going to be trying to poach some of them; with Applewhite following Muschamp, I hope A&M can pry Malcolm Brown and Cedric Reed (and maybe a few more) away from the horns.

[Blake]

Blood in the water, those highly rated Texas recruits are stunned and disoriented. Coaches from schools all over the the country are going to be trying to poach some of them; with Applewhite following Muschamp, I hope A&M can pry Malcolm Brown and Cedric Reed (and maybe a few more) away from the horns.

is this a joke? :lol

[bugoy]

Full meltdown:

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/78859-BON-says-Florida-is-reaching-out-to-Muschamp/page7

"fuck mack brown I'm rooting for UTSA now" is all over there.. :lmao
:lol i looked for something along those lines but couldnt find anything, seemed too good to be true -_-

[Thompson]

Which part? Cedric Reed has already shown some interest in A&M before all of this (he went to the Nebraska-A&M game); Malcolm Brown is said to be committed to Texas primarily because of his relationship with Major Applewhite, who is reportedly following Muschamp to Florida. Brown also happens to be friends with Johnny Manziel, our incoming quarterback recruit.

Maybe Brown follows Major to Florida, maybe he stays with Texas. I said 'hopefully' not 'we definitely will' get him. Unless Mack Brown makes some great hires fast, they could easily lose some recruits.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/texas/stories/121210dnspoblogcollutrecruits.7a6e625.html?source= rss_teams_Texas_Longhorns

[DesignatedT]

Here's a list of players that considered A&M heavily before making there commitment to Texas.

Quandre Diggs 4 Star CB
Desmond Jackson 4 Star DT
Steve Edmond 4 Star ILB
Cedric Reed 4 Star DE
Quincy Russell 4 Star DT

[DesignatedT]

Quincy Russell, a four-star defensive tackle from Sam Houston in San Antonio, said this may change a lot of things for him. He's not sold on Texas anymore and isn't sure if he will still make a visit to campus next week.


Kendall Thompson, a four-star linebacker from Carthage, said he was blindsided by the Will Muschamp moving to Florida news. He's going to sit down with his family and sort things about.

http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/12/with-texas-coaching-changes-what-does-th.html

[Kermit]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PmxExJ1vXtg/TBBDGvmcxkI/AAAAAAAAAJI/dFkN1txzSmw/s400/wellbye.jpg

[The Reckoning]

well good news is nows the time to walk on


:ihit

[The Reckoning]

but seriously it's all fucking gilbert's fault. even when davis would rarely call a good play that would have been an immediate touchdown last year, gilbert would blow it and turn the ball over. he'd be second string at utsa. worst qb ive seen in person.

that chode would eastwood squint his target for 3+ seconds until the entire secondary knew where he was throwing the ball then he'd lob it up right at his target. when he got antsy, he'd start running around like a chicken with its head cut off instead of stepping up in the pocket and checking all his options. terribly, terribly pathetic.

everybody probably left because mack is still married to that dude. damnit.

just give it up, mack. your qb politics is legendary...ever since you backstabbed major applewhite. major was probably planning this move to florida to get back at your sorry bureaucratic ass. he was just waiting for the right time. that's why i have no ill feelings towards major. he's a cool laidback guy. i used to eat meals with him at the football camp. its crazy how small the dude was, but he was one of the smartest players to come through UT.

[The Reckoning]

i never thought it possible to try too hard, but by god, gilbert has achieved that. unfuckingbelievable. and yes, cart was a little bitch. only qb out of UT that ive respected was applewhite, and even he was a victim of the good ol' boy network.

[bugoy]

ouch, blaming this all on one kid....if anything the blame should be on the person who refused to pull gilbert, these are just kids playing for a college education and the chance to go to the next level. all gilbert was doing was following instructions by the coaches, right?

[johngateswhiteley]

ouch, blaming this all on one kid....if anything the blame should be on the person who refused to pull gilbert, these are just kids playing for a college education and the chance to go to the next level. all gilbert was doing was following instructions by the coaches, right?

thats too rational. btw, gilbert isn't even that bad.

[Thompson]

I don't know how much you can blame the kid if he's trying. He apparently can't control it, for whatever reason he's just not doing well.

It's Mack's fault because he can control it, it's not like he couldn't have tried one of your talented backup quarterbacks when it was obvious you were going nowhere fast this year anyway.

[DesignatedT]

At least in the national championship game last year, Gilbert tried his best to win rather than go crying to the locker room to play catch with his daddeh.

true. true.

[Blake]

Which part? Cedric Reed has already shown some interest in A&M before all of this (he went to the Nebraska-A&M game); Malcolm Brown is said to be committed to Texas primarily because of his relationship with Major Applewhite, who is reportedly following Muschamp to Florida. Brown also happens to be friends with Johnny Manziel, our incoming quarterback recruit.

Maybe Brown follows Major to Florida, maybe he stays with Texas. I said 'hopefully' not 'we definitely will' get him. Unless Mack Brown makes some great hires fast, they could easily lose some recruits.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/texas/stories/121210dnspoblogcollutrecruits.7a6e625.html?source= rss_teams_Texas_Longhorns

some of the players are shocked at Muschamp/Applewhite, but you are underestimating Mack Brown and the pull of UT.


“It's a shock about Coach Muschamp, but I didn't talk to him much,” [Malcolm] Brown said. “Coach Applewhite was the main guy who recruited me, and I don't know what's going on with him right now. I don't know how to answer all the questions people are asking about it, but Texas is still the school I want to go to.”

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/high_school/high_school_football/article/Brown-s-full-focus-on-state-title-game-877264.php

UT may lose one or two defensive guys, but it's not a "blood in the water" feeding frenzy.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

some of the players are shocked at Muschamp/Applewhite, but you are underestimating Mack Brown and the pull of UT.

And you're overestimating it, tbh.




UT may lose one or two defensive guys, but it's not a "blood in the water" feeding frenzy.

sippy can't afford to lose one or two defensive guys after a year like this. Might not be "blood in the water," but it doesn't have to be, to be devastating for texas.

[Whisky Dog]

Mack's gotta act quickly - if he pulls in Randy Shannon I doubt they lose more than one if even one - Shannon's U defenses were sick.

It's the offensive coordinator position and guys like Akina and Oscar Giles that I'm wondering about.

[Blake]

And you're overestimating it, tbh.

:lol

Explain specifically how I am overestimating UT's pull. Is it only because I said someone else is underestimating them?


sippy can't afford to lose one or two defensive guys after a year like this.

They actually can afford to lose one or two defensive guys.

I don't think they can afford to lose a guy like Malcolm Brown though.....but I don't think they do.


Might not be "blood in the water," but it doesn't have to be, to be devastating for texas.

I'm trying to figure out what is not as bad as "blood in the water" but is still devastating......losing a contact lense in the water? I really don't know.

[Thompson]

In addition to all the guys who have mentioned they were wavering, Texas has lost most of its coaching staff including the offensive and defensive coordinators after a terrible 5-7 season. They performed poorly despite their supposed wealth of talent (they always seem to have top 10 rated classes). I think things like this will give their recruits pause, along with the fact that Major (one of their better recruiters) is leaving.

Major could probably stay and have a good chance at the OC position, but he chose to leave his Alma Mater for the same position at Florida. I think that demonstrates that there are significant problems in the organization, and I believe recruits will think twice about joining it (and highly rated as they are, I think a lot of coaches from all over the country will try to pry some of them away, and may very well succeed). We'll see in a month or so (I think national signing day is in early February).

[LoneStarState'sPride]

:lol

Explain specifically how I am overestimating UT's pull. Is it only because I said someone else is underestimating them?

Yes. Not that hard to figure out.




They actually can afford to lose one or two defensive guys.

They just went 5-7 in a season where the defense was stronger than the offense and kept them in games longer than they probably should have been. No, they can't afford a further weakening in that area.



I'm trying to figure out what is not as bad as "blood in the water" but is still devastating......losing a contact lense in the water? I really don't know.

I was referring to the fact that it doesn't have to necessarily be a "feeding frenzy" for there to be a significant detrimental effect on texas--again, not hard to understand.

[Blake]

In addition to all the guys who have mentioned they were wavering, Texas has lost most of its coaching staff including the offensive and defensive coordinators after a terrible 5-7 season. They performed poorly despite their supposed wealth of talent (they always seem to have top 10 rated classes). I think things like this will give their recruits pause, along with the fact that Major (one of their better recruiters) is leaving.

Major could probably stay and have a good chance at the OC position, but he chose to leave his Alma Mater for the same position at Florida. I think that demonstrates that there are significant problems in the organization, and I believe recruits will think twice about joining it (and highly rated as they are, I think a lot of coaches from all over the country will try to pry some of them away, and may very well succeed). We'll see in a month or so (I think national signing day is in early February).

eh, I doubt there's any kind of mass turnaround with recruits. If they are concerned, all Mack has to do is break off a call or make a visit and assure the kids that they have some solid coordinators on the radar.

Even worst case, UT could lose several 4 star recruits and still finish in top 4-5 in the country.

[Blake]

Yes. Not that hard to figure out.


k. I didn't really think I was overestimating them either.

Sometimes it's hard to figure if people are serious or trying to be witty. Thanks for confirming your post was a shit post.


They just went 5-7 in a season where the defense was stronger than the offense and kept them in games longer than they probably should have been. No, they can't afford a further weakening in that area.

I don't think you realize how deep UT is. I suggest you check out all the 4-5 star recruits they've been hauling in on defense the last few years.


I was referring to the fact that it doesn't have to necessarily be a "feeding frenzy" for there to be a significant detrimental effect on texas--again, not hard to understand.

devastating =/= detrimental.

after the clarification, it's not hard to understand now that you are simply full of shit and are also now backpedaling. :tu

[TFloss32]

After seeing the devastating news myself and getting over my personal knee-jerk reactions, I've come to realize that Texas simply created a huge clusterfuck for themselves by naming Will Muschamp HCIW with no serious timeline or contract buyout in place. I honestly believe Mack would've retired if Texas had won the MNC last year, but that's all in the past. Muschamp took his dream job at Florida and business is business. The major issue that Texas faces at the moment is if Mack Brown has it in him to rebuild the program. He's bascially been acting as a CEO for the past two years (knowing Muschamp would take over), not a head coach.

For recruiting...it's definitely a big deal that Muschamp has left. A lot of recruits absolutely loved the guy and chose Texas for that reason. However, the de-commitment stuff is a bit premature (mostly by the Aggies on here). The main defensive recruits that I worry about are:

DT, Quincy Russell, San Antonio Sam Houston
DE, Cedric Reed, Cleveland
LB, Steve Edmond, Daingerfield
LB, Kendall Thompson, Carthage
DB, Josh Turner, Millwood (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)

Texas needs to hire a quality DC quickly since the recruiting dead period begins next week. Former Miami HC, Randy Shannon, appears to be the front runner and there are currently rumors out there that a press conference could be in the works later today. I expect him to be the next DC at Texas and I would imagine hiring Shannon would go a long way towards easing the minds of recruits.

[TFloss32]

Here's a list of players that considered A&M heavily before making there commitment to Texas.

Quandre Diggs 4 Star CB
Desmond Jackson 4 Star DT
Steve Edmond 4 Star ILB
Cedric Reed 4 Star DE
Quincy Russell 4 Star DT


ATH, Quandre Diggs, Angleton
Diggs bleeds burnt orange. Former UT defensive back, Quentin Jammer, is his half brother. Diggs was extremely upset that he wasn't offered at UT's Junior Day in February and committed as soon as he was offered in March. Major Applewhite and Duane Akina are the main reasons he's committed and I don't see that changing even if they bolt for Florida. Diggs is about as anti-Aggie as you can get. He's been quoted saying that he'd basically never consider playing for A&M.

DT, Desmond Jackson, Spring Westfield
Jackson never considered the Aggies heavily...he might not have considered them at all. The only other real competition was Alabama and he still committed to UT on the spot.

LB, Steve Edmond, Daingerfield
Another guy who has no interest in the Aggies and never has. Even Brian Perroni of AggieYell.com has said as much. If he decides to open up his recruitment, he'll look at USC and Auburn. His high school teammate, Chris Jones, is already playing at UT and he has no out-of-state connections when it comes to those two teams.

DE, Cedric Reed, Cleveland
The only UT commit that considered the Ags. It's still debatable on whether or not Reed even likes the Aggies that much. The whole story has always been that Reed likes UT and everyone in Cleveland (including his father) wants him to be an Aggie. Despite all of that, he's still a Horn. If Texas loses one or two, he could be one of them.

DT, Quincy Russell, San Antonio Sam Houston
Russell was very thorough in his recruiting process. He visited the Aggies a few times and could consider them if he decides to de-commit. However, I think Baylor would be the favorite if that were to happen. He has Baylor connections through his high school coaching staff and has always liked the school. He said he wouldn't be premature about the situation and wants to see the coaching changes before making any decisions. A couple of things to consider:

a.) Russell has already de-committed once. He knows that opening up his recruitment could result in having his offer dropped. He won't open up his recruitment unless he's absolutely sure there is a better option for him out there.

b.) His dream school has always been Miami. Randy Shannon was the Miami DC during the glory years. Hiring Shannon could go a long way towards retaining Russell's commitment.

LB, Kendall Thompson, Carthage
Thompson is as East Texas as it gets, but his childhood favorite is LSU. He's already confirmed he's 100% committed after talking to others in the recruiting class and hearing from Mack Brown.

Hiring Randy Shannon as DC will help Texas tremendously in retaining their commits. Not saying they won't lose any, but none of them other than Reed were ever considering the Aggies "heavily." I could only see the Aggies turning Reed. Others would go elsewhere. If Texas were to hang on to every one of their recruits (or even if they lose one or two) despite this tailspin they're currently experiencing, it speaks volumes of their recruiting prowess.

[Blake]

The main defensive recruits that I worry about are:

DT, Quincy Russell, San Antonio Sam Houston
DE, Cedric Reed, Cleveland
LB, Steve Edmond, Daingerfield
LB, Kendall Thompson, Carthage
DB, Josh Turner, Millwood (Oklahoma City, Oklahoma)






ATH, Quandre Diggs, Angleton
Diggs bleeds burnt orange. Former UT defensive back, Quentin Jammer, is his half brother. Diggs was extremely upset that he wasn't offered at UT's Junior Day in February and committed as soon as he was offered in March. Major Applewhite and Duane Akina are the main reasons he's committed and I don't see that changing even if they bolt for Florida. Diggs is about as anti-Aggie as you can get. He's been quoted saying that he'd basically never consider playing for A&M.

DT, Desmond Jackson, Spring Westfield
Jackson never considered the Aggies heavily...he might not have considered them at all. The only other real competition was Alabama and he still committed to UT on the spot.

LB, Steve Edmond, Daingerfield
Another guy who has no interest in the Aggies and never has. Even Brian Perroni of AggieYell.com has said as much. If he decides to open up his recruitment, he'll look at USC and Auburn. His high school teammate, Chris Jones, is already playing at UT and he has no out-of-state connections when it comes to those two teams.

DE, Cedric Reed, Cleveland
The only UT commit that considered the Ags. It's still debatable on whether or not Reed even likes the Aggies that much. The whole story has always been that Reed likes UT and everyone in Cleveland (including his father) wants him to be an Aggie. Despite all of that, he's still a Horn. If Texas loses one or two, he could be one of them.

DT, Quincy Russell, San Antonio Sam Houston
Russell was very thorough in his recruiting process. He visited the Aggies a few times and could consider them if he decides to de-commit. However, I think Baylor would be the favorite if that were to happen. He has Baylor connections through his high school coaching staff and has always liked the school. He said he wouldn't be premature about the situation and wants to see the coaching changes before making any decisions. A couple of things to consider:

a.) Russell has already de-committed once. He knows that opening up his recruitment could result in having his offer dropped.

b.) His dream school has always been Miami. Randy Shannon was the Miami DC during the glory years. Hiring Shannon could go a long way towards retaining Russell's commitment.

LB, Kendall Thompson, Carthage
Thompson is as East Texas as it gets, but his childhood favorite is LSU. He's already confirmed he's 100% committed after talking to others in the recruiting class and hearing from Mack Brown.

Hiring Randy Shannon as DC will help Texas tremendously in retaining their commits. Not saying they won't lose any, but none of them other than Reed were ever considering the Aggies "heavily." I could only see the Aggies turning Reed. Others would go elsewhere.

:lol it's always nice when you can ease your own fears.

I also read that Josh Turner is still committed to the Horns.

[TFloss32]

:lol it's always nice when you can ease your own fears.

I also read that Josh Turner is still committed to the Horns.

Yes, I didn't mention Josh Turner. He's stated that as long as Akina remains on staff, he wouldn't open up his recruitment. He knows the reputation Texas has for putting DBs in the NFL year after year.

Don't know if you're laughing at me or that fact that the Aggies weren't in contention for these guys (except for Reed). My main point was that the Aggies aren't getting these guys. They could very well de-commit and play elsewhere, though.

[rjv]

i wonder if applewhite knew about this before the cibolo steele game he attended on saturday. from what i hear, his status is uncertain still. maybe he is waiting to see if he gets offered the OC job in austin. he certainly has some major leverage now (no pun intended).

if major leaves does he try to take brown with him? or does he tell brown to remain committed to the longhorns ? would brown even care to leave the state?

i doubt brown would go to a&m anyway even if manziel and he are tight. brown would have to be either redshirted or steal minutes from both gray and michael who are both only going to be juniors.

and how many of these defensive players go with muschamp to florida ?

i would not expect the UT recruiting ranking to stay at # 1 but maybe brown makes some solid hires and manages to get the nervous recruits to stay with their verbal.

on a side note, lol at leach who publicly campaigned for the job and got punked.

[Blake]

Don't know if you're laughing at me or that fact that the Aggies weren't in contention for these guys (except for Reed). My main point was that the Aggies aren't getting these guys.

I was laughing at you being worried but then squelching most of those worries yourself.

From your own post, it looks like the great majority of those guys are firmly committed to UT.


They could very well de-commit and play elsewhere, though.

That could very well happen any time. Ryan Perrilioux decommited from UT to go to LSU for more playing time (or money depending on what you believe about the SEC).

[LoneStarState'sPride]

:lol I turn my back for a second, and your ignorance runs amok.


k. I didn't really think I was overestimating them either.

Sometimes it's hard to figure if people are serious or trying to be witty. Thanks for confirming your post was a shit post.

I was stating an opinion. I believe you overestimate texas' pull--and it countered your assertion that their pull was understated with that opinion. Regardless of what your opinion of texas is, there's no denying that it doesn't take a whole hell of a lot for a traditional powerhouse to slip--just look at Michigan (a program w/ more wins and titles than texas).




I don't think you realize how deep UT is. I suggest you check out all the 4-5 star recruits they've been hauling in on defense the last few years.

I know how much their depth helped them this year, and I know from personal experience that recruiting alone does not a powerhouse make. A&M has had several high ranked recruiting classes and failed to produce on the field of play. That spoke to poor coaching then, and it spoke to the same at texas this past season--I don't care if the same coaching staff went to the mnc the year before. Even the perception of weakness in a coaching staff can be poisonous to a program.




devastating =/= detrimental.

after the clarification, it's not hard to understand now that you are simply full of shit and are also now backpedaling. :tu

I said "significantly detrimental"--last I checked, that's a stronger way of putting it than simply "detrimental." And for texas, another season like this would be extremely harmful to them in the long run.

Backpedaling my ass--you just like to argue semantics when you run out of legitimate things to say.

[Blake]

on a side note, lol at leach who publicly campaigned for the job and got punked.

yeah, the public perception of Leach is just side show pirate circus and having Donald Trump as his bff is not helping him get the Miami job either.

I think he's gonna have to settle for a head gig at a mid level school.

[DesignatedT]

I could have been off base with Diggs and Edmond. Ced Reed, Quincy Russell and Desmond Jackson all had enough interest to take a visit to Aggieland. Call it what you want I guess.


DT, Desmond Jackson, Spring Westfield
Jackson never considered the Aggies heavily...he might not have considered them at all.

I know he took a visit to A&M at one point..

Let me go on record here... I don't think Texas will take a huge recruiting hit or anything, I was just pointing out some players that I thought could de-commit if things were to go sour. I do hope Ced Reed will look harder at A&M because he was a realistic option for changing his commit before all this even went down. (He was at the A&M/Nebraska game)

[LoneStarState'sPride]

The major issue that Texas faces at the moment is if Mack Brown has it in him to rebuild the program. He's bascially been acting as a CEO for the past two years (knowing Muschamp would take over), not a head coach.

That's hurt the team more than anything--they were good enough in '09 to get by basically on their sheer talent alone, not superior coaching, IMO. One of the many complaints I've heard from horns is how Mack seemed to lose touch with the team, and when the ship was sinking this year, they were too far gone for him to reassume his hands-on control. It will be interesting to see how Brown handles this offseason and his approach to coaching in '11. He's a hell of a recruiter, but his coaching is what they really need right now. Like TFloss said, we'll see if he has it in him.


For recruiting...it's definitely a big deal that Muschamp has left. A lot of recruits absolutely loved the guy and chose Texas for that reason. However, the de-commitment stuff is a bit premature (mostly by the Aggies on here)

Let me make myself clear--I'm not in the camp that thinks that the Aggies are going to have an open season on texas recruits. Muschamp leaving was huge, but honestly I'd be surprised if a they started getting snapped up in droves by other Big 12 schools.

It will hurt texas though, as their talent dearth was exposed in '10--they need all the recruiting momentum that they can get, and an ace like Muschamp leaving puts an already shaky unit on thin ice.

[The Reckoning]

shannon at dc and applewhite at oc would be epic. UT would rape face. mack needs to take this opportunity because applewhite has always been a fan favorite.

hell, itd be hilarious to see mack offer leach a job as oc.

[DesignatedT]

On another note, our recruiting is still looking mediocre and got even worse yesterday with the loss of Marcus Kennard (to Tech, whatever tubs is promising is working tbh) and Floyd Raven to Mississippi.

These are 2 guys A&M really needed/counted on bringing in.

[TFloss32]

i wonder if applewhite knew about this before the cibolo steele game he attended on saturday. from what i hear, his status is uncertain still. maybe he is waiting to see if he gets offered the OC job in austin. he certainly has some major leverage now (no pun intended).

if major leaves does he try to take brown with him? or does he tell brown to remain committed to the longhorns ? would brown even care to leave the state?

i doubt brown would go to a&m anyway even if manziel and he are tight. brown would have to be either redshirted or steal minutes from both gray and michael who are both only going to be juniors.

and how many of these defensive players go with muschamp to florida ?

i would not expect the UT recruiting ranking to stay at # 1 but maybe brown makes some solid hires and manages to get the nervous recruits to stay with their verbal.

on a side note, lol at leach who publicly campaigned for the job and got punked.

We'll never know what really went down with Muschamp and the Florida AD. It all supposedly happened on Saturday afternoon. My gut feeling is Muschamp had his agent put out feelers before Florida even came calling because he knew Mack Brown wasn't going anywhere. I'm sure Major is smart enough to figure out that Muschamp wasn't exactly content with everything that was happening.

Major going to Florida is a bit of a tricky situation. If he's offered the Texas OC job, he'll take it without a doubt. The only problem is it's not clear whether Mack trusts him enough to give him that promotion. I think Texas wants more a proven name and you could possibly see Major given a title of "Co-OC" where he can be an understudy for a couple of years and take over the OC job once the previous OC leaves for greener pastures. With Florida, Muschamp knows that he needs to hire proven names at the coordinator positions since he'll only be as good as his staff. He's tight with Applewhite but he could be making a major (no pun intended) gamble with his own job if he hires Major and their offense sputters. I believe Muschamp's first choices for coordinators are Dana Holgorsen of Okie State and Kirby Smart of Alabama. However, Holgorsen is apparently already interviewing for HC jobs such as Houston and Pitt and Kirby Smart makes a whole lot of money at Alabama. It'll be interesting to see who Muschamp hires because simple timing may not allow for him to hire the guys he truly covets.

None of the Texas recruits would go to Florida, IMO. Even if they wanted to, Florida would need the scholarship numbers to oblige them. Some of the defensive guys feel like they were burned by Muschamp and they'd look elsewhere other than Florida if they wanted to open up their recruitments. Malcolm Brown will most likely stick with Texas no matter what. Major Applewhite was a big reason he committed to Texas, but I think Texas is where he wants to be. I guess he could look at Alabama again, but I don't see him going to Texas A&M or Florida.

If Texas doesn't hire Applewhite soon, keep an eye out for OC Bryan Harsin of Boise State. They have their bowl game December 22nd and I could see Texas making an announcement for Harsin as their new OC before Christmas.

[TFloss32]

Let me go on record here... I don't think Texas will take a huge recruiting hit or anything, I was just pointing out some players that I thought could de-commit if things were to go sour. I do hope Ced Reed will look harder at A&M because he was a realistic option for changing his commit before all this even went down. (He was at the A&M/Nebraska game)

It's cool, I just can't let you Ags get too crazy. ;)

I agree that Cedric Reed is a very realistic option for A&M. I've been waiting on the kid to cave for a while now. I just hope that Texas is truly where he wants to be.

[Blake]

I was stating an opinion. I believe you overestimate texas' pull--and it countered your assertion that their pull was understated with that opinion. Regardless of what your opinion of texas is, there's no denying that it doesn't take a whole hell of a lot for a traditional powerhouse to slip--just look at Michigan (a program w/ more wins and titles than texas).

right, and I asked you the basis of that opinion. You confirmed it was simply because I said someone else was underestimating UT/Brown.

The rest of this part is you moving the goal post or a similar type of fallacy.



I know how much their depth helped them this year, and I know from personal experience that recruiting alone does not a powerhouse make. A&M has had several high ranked recruiting classes and failed to produce on the field of play. That spoke to poor coaching then, and it spoke to the same at texas this past season--I don't care if the same coaching staff went to the mnc the year before. Even the perception of weakness in a coaching staff can be poisonous to a program.

Are you saying that Will Muschamp did a poor job coaching this year?

Hard to tell.


I said "significantly detrimental"--last I checked, that's a stronger way of putting it than simply "detrimental." And for texas, another season like this would be extremely harmful to them in the long run.

Backpedaling my ass--you just like to argue semantics when you run out of legitimate things to say.

If you aren't backpedaling, then you are ignorant of the meaning of the word "devastating".

Maybe you should just turn your back again and be on your way before it gets any worse for you.

[TFloss32]

That's hurt the team more than anything--they were good enough in '09 to get by basically on their sheer talent alone, not superior coaching, IMO. One of the many complaints I've heard from horns is how Mack seemed to lose touch with the team, and when the ship was sinking this year, they were too far gone for him to reassume his hands-on control. It will be interesting to see how Brown handles this offseason and his approach to coaching in '11. He's a hell of a recruiter, but his coaching is what they really need right now. Like TFloss said, we'll see if he has it in him.



Let me make myself clear--I'm not in the camp that thinks that the Aggies are going to have an open season on texas recruits. Muschamp leaving was huge, but honestly I'd be surprised if a they started getting snapped up in droves by other Big 12 schools.

It will hurt texas though, as their talent dearth was exposed in '10--they need all the recruiting momentum that they can get, and an ace like Muschamp leaving puts an already shaky unit on thin ice.

You're correct on Mack. The rumor is Mack can be a pain to work for as he meddles in other coaches' business as he pleases...a micro-manager of sorts. He also lost a lot of trust and respect from many within the progam (players, coaches, etc.) when he threw everyone under the bus after the Iowa State loss. He basically said he couldn't trust anyone and failed to get the attention of everyone from that point on (which was one of the many reasons for the terrible season).

If Muschamp leaving hurts Texas recruiting in any way, it will be for 2012. There are several defensive recruits that were already leaning towards A&M. We may be having a conversation about A&M losing their DC soon, though. Tim DeRuyter could very well take the Air Force job if offered.


On another note, our recruiting is still looking mediocre and got even worse yesterday with the loss of Marcus Kennard (to Tech, whatever tubs is promising is working tbh) and Floyd Raven to Mississippi.

These are 2 guys A&M really needed/counted on bringing in.

I forgot to update that they lost DB Josh Stewart of Denton Guyer as well. He committed to Oklahoma State for one reason or another.

[Blake]

Let me make myself clear--I'm not in the camp that thinks that the Aggies are going to have an open season on texas recruits. Muschamp leaving was huge, but honestly I'd be surprised if a they started getting snapped up in droves by other Big 12 schools.


that's good you cleared up what you mean by the word "devastating".

to you it means not much will actually happen.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

The rest of this part is you moving the goal post or a similar type of fallacy.

Incorrect. The rest of that post illustrates how difficult it is for even the best of powers to stay at the top. Your mind couldn't make that simple connection, apparently




Are you saying that Will Muschamp did a poor job coaching this year?

Hard to tell.

Yes, and even so, his unit was the silver lining on the dark cloud of 2010 texas football. His departure after being tapped as head-coach-in-waiting erodes an already unstable base on that side of the ball.




If you aren't backpedaling, then you are ignorant of the meaning of the word "devastating".

Maybe you should just turn your back again and be on your way before it gets any worse for you.

You're the one nitpicking words--maybe you should take your own advice.

[Blake]

On another note, our recruiting is still looking mediocre and got even worse yesterday with the loss of Marcus Kennard (to Tech, whatever tubs is promising is working tbh)

Tubs promised playing time and he has some family in Lubbock.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

that's good you cleared up what you mean by the word "devastating".

to you it means not much will actually happen.

It means that texas already had a rough season and can't afford to take any hits like what could potentially happen with Muschamp's departure. Personally, I think they rebound nicely and rectify the situation with some headline-worthy hires, but if they drop the ball again, the road they're on right now is not good considering what they're working with already.

[Blake]

Incorrect. The rest of that post illustrates how difficult it is for even the best of powers to stay at the top. Your mind couldn't make that simple connection, apparently

Right, it's difficult to stay on top. Are you next going to try to argue that defense wins championships?


Yes, and even so, his unit was the silver lining on the dark cloud of 2010 texas football. His departure after being tapped as head-coach-in-waiting erodes an already unstable base on that side of the ball.

So yes, he did a bad job coaching..... but his unit was a silver lining...........but it's also an unstable base....

good post :tu


You're the one nitpicking words--maybe you should take your own advice.

neh, I get a kick out of watching someone else self-devastate.

[Blake]

It means that texas already had a rough season and can't afford to take any hits like what could potentially happen with Muschamp's departure. Personally, I think they rebound nicely and rectify the situation with some headline-worthy hires, but if they drop the ball again, the road they're on right now is not good considering what they're working with already.

so it's not really devastating after all.

you should have just said so and saved yourself the failure.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

We may be having a conversation about A&M losing their DC soon, though. Tim DeRuyter could very well take the Air Force job if offered.

This is very true--I'd expect a big hit in recruiting if DeRuyter left (although we have some very capable coaches waiting in the wings on the defensive side--including Dat Nguyen. Nguyen is my younger brother's coach and all the defensive guys are 100% behind that staff, support-wise).

[LoneStarState'sPride]

So yes, he did a bad job coaching..... but his unit was a silver lining...........but it's also an unstable base....

good post :tu

Let me make this simple: Muschamp was a best thing going on a bad team last year. His departure makes a bad thing much worse. Comprende?

[LoneStarState'sPride]

so it's not really devastating after all.

you should have just said so and saved yourself the failure.

You are worse than a broken record--at least some scratches can be fixed.

You wanna get hung up on one word and play silly games to make yourself feel better, go right ahead. I've explained my position in enough different ways for a simpleton like you to wrap his mind around, but I guess the word "devastating" takes up too much space in your brain to allow for other rational thoughts. It is funny to watch a tech fan rushing to defend texas' "pull," though.

[lebomb]

Ive always said college football success goes around and comes around...........noone, and I mean NOONE stays on top. But, many of UT t-shirters went off saying otherwise. :rolleyes

Everyone has seen the likes of Nebraska, OU, Florida and USC fall from the top, now its UTs turn.

Gig'em Aggies!!! The next great state of Texas superpower, and the next great T-shirt follower team!!! :lmao Kermit will be wearing this shit before next season guaranteed.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Ive always said college football success goes around and comes around...........noone, and I mean NOONE stays on top. But, many of UT t-shirters went off saying otherwise. :rolleyes

Everyone has seen the likes of Nebraska, OU, Florida and USC fall from the top, now its UTs turn.

Gig'em Aggies!!! The next great state of Texas superpower, and the next great T-shirt follower team!!! :lmao Kermit will be wearing this shit before next season guaranteed.

LOL, I wouldn't go quite that far now. For one, TCU is tops in the state, IMO. Secondly, it'll be interesting to see how this Aggie program handles the moderate success it's had this year. We were kind of able to sneak up on teams (in the loosest possible sense of the phrase) by virtue of basically being left for dead by the media and many of our own fans (yes, the vaunted 12th Man) after that 3 game skid. Even once we started winning, many were conditioned to just wait for the other shoe to drop like it always seems to late in the season. There'll be no such "luxuries" next year, however. Expectations will be higher than they've ever been (and that's saying something for Aggies lol), and opponents will not take us lightly.

'11 will be a VERY intriguing year for cfb in the Great State of Texas, though! :toast

[Blake]

I guess the word "devastating" takes up too much space in your brain to allow for other rational thoughts. It is funny to watch a tech fan rushing to defend texas' "pull," though.

Devastating smack talk!


sippy can't afford to lose one or two defensive guys after a year like this. Might not be "blood in the water," but it doesn't have to be, to be devastating for texas.

If I ask you which two defensive guys would UT have to lose to be devastating for Texas, it wouldn't be the same as me asking which ones would be significantly detrimental.

Playing with semantics would be playing with two words that are the same. These two are not even though they might start with the letter D. Comprende?

I'm going to guess when you turn around again, the answer will be no.

[Blake]

Everyone has seen the likes of Nebraska, OU, Florida and USC fall from the top, now its UTs turn.


UT fell from the top around the same time OU did......back in the late 80s, early-mid 90s.

[Sisk]

:lol i looked for something along those lines but couldnt find anything, seemed too good to be true -_-

"I'm sick. I'm literally physically sick because of this. ESPN's damn updates saying he's gone. Screw that. If Mack doesn't do something seriously blockbuster in the next week, I'm fucking rooting for UTSA"

There was one or two others. Pretty pathetic, not surprising.

[lebomb]

UT fell from the top around the same time OU did......back in the late 80s, early-mid 90s.


................yep making my point, its all cyclical. You are at the top for awhile, then you reload, then you rebuild and start at the bottom again. True some teams fall and build back up to the top faster than others, but the ups and downs happen to all teams. If someone is near or at the top for a decade, that is damned good though. :king

[Duff McCartney]

Word from ESPN is that Charlie Weis will be the next Offensive Coordinator at Florida with Muschamp. That is going to be one crazy good team.