After dozens of deaths, drop-side cribs outlawed

[jack sommerset]

You have to be fucking kidding me!!! We live in a country full of pussies. I used to say "what are you going to ban next, baby cribs?" "They" went out and finally did it.

WASHINGTON – It's the end of the traditional crib that has cradled millions of babies for generations.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101215/ap_on_bi_ge/us_safer_cribs

[LnGrrrR]

Just because something has been around forever doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. If these cribs are causing deaths, then they should probably outlaw it. Or at least make the manufacturer put a big sticker on it saying, "Known to cause infant deaths".

I don't know if 32 deaths in a decade is a big number... doesn't seem it, but they don't show the track record of "fixed" cribs for comparison.

[CosmicCowboy]

And five years from now they will realize they have tens of thousands of back injuries from people having to bend over at the waist and pick the kids up to get them out.

Gee. Who would have ever seen THAT coming?

[LnGrrrR]

And five years from now they will realize they have tens of thousands of back injuries from having to bend over at the waist and pick the kids up to get them out.

Gee. Who would have ever seen THAT coming?

Eh, I'll take some back pain if there's less of a chance that my kid could die, personally.

[CosmicCowboy]

The new "safety" crib.

http://www.petworldshop.com/pictures/travel-aire-kennel-carriers-dogs.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Just because something has been around forever doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. If these cribs are causing deaths, then they should probably outlaw it. Or at least make the manufacturer put a big sticker on it saying, "Known to cause infant deaths".

I don't know if 32 deaths in a decade is a big number... doesn't seem it, but they don't show the track record of "fixed" cribs for comparison.
I wonder how many things cause more than 32 deaths over the same period.

Another example if government regulations running amok if you ask me.

[Crookshanks]

I wonder how many things cause more than 32 deaths over the same period.

Another example if government regulations running amok if you ask me.

Drunk driving and cigarettes - but we all know those things will never be outlawed - too much tax revenue.

[Stringer_Bell]

You have to be fucking kidding me!!! We live in a country full of pussies. I used to say "what are you going to ban next, baby cribs?" "They" went out and finally did it.

Is it safe to assume you are a drop-side crib salesman and this cuts into your profits? Otherwise, I don't understand why this is really such a bad thing.

[Wild Cobra]

Stinger, do you believe that we are entitled to be 100% safe from all retail items? Out of the billions of items sold annually, isn't it possible that some are either misused, or defective? I don't mean to sound cold about this, but 32 deaths in what. A decade?

I simply do not believe in achieving 100.000000000% safety.

[LnGrrrR]

I wonder how many things cause more than 32 deaths over the same period.

Another example if government regulations running amok if you ask me.

Eh, I'm not an expert. Some would say "One death is too many!" Others would say, "Ah, it's only 32 deaths in a decade, these things are still safe enough."

[Wild Cobra]

Eh, I'm not an expert. Some would say "One death is too many!" Others would say, "Ah, it's only 32 deaths in a decade, these things are still safe enough."
Any death is tragic, especially to those close. I simply don't see the practicality of this ban.

Care to enlighten me? At what failure rate is OK? Will it ever be zero?

[LnGrrrR]

Any death is tragic, especially to those close. I simply don't see the practicality of this ban.

Care to enlighten me? At what failure rate is OK? Will it ever be zero?

As I said, I'm not an expert. Those who seem to be experts inbaby nursing/health care called for the ban. *shrug*

Edit: Also, they don't give "amount of deaths" for other types of cribs, so no way to compare.

[ElNono]

This is from the left field, but...
Why is it ok to have a certain 'acceptable casualty rate' in this but not in terror-prevention?

[ploto]

I am short and have back problems. I am trying to figure out how I could have gotten my child out of his crib when he was a year old without the drop side. I never had any problem with it.

I feel bad for anyone who has lost a child, but I wonder how many of these deaths were due to misassembly, as opposed to the design. People can not even put their car seats in their cars right.

[jack sommerset]

Millions and millions of babies for many, many, many, many, many generations have used the drop down baby crib with no problems. But we do live in a different age. The age of the big fat pussy and of course useless parents. Guess what? The baby crib is now a problem. Lets all of a sudden point the finger at the crib maker.

How about just put a little warning on the side of the crib and let the mature adults decide for themselves where their baby sleeps. Let the mature adult put the little crib together and make sure all the screws are in tight. Let the mature adult listen to the little baby monitor at the chance something goes a rye or let the parent decide if the baby crib should be in same room with the mature adult. Let the mature adult decide if they can lift the baby up without a drop down. You want to ban something, ban the asshole parents putting there kids safety in danger everyday by beating them, leaving them alone for days at a time, shooting up, molesting, ban those people. A freaken baby crib that's been around forever... It a bad joke man.

[frodo]

You have to be fucking kidding me!!! We live in a country full of pussies. I used to say "what are you going to ban next, baby cribs?" "They" went out and finally did it.

WASHINGTON – It's the end of the traditional crib that has cradled millions of babies for generations.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101215/ap_on_bi_ge/us_safer_cribs

you live in a country full of pussies that's how/why you feel loved, you are a dick.

[jack sommerset]

you live in a country full of pussies that's how/why you feel loved, you are a dick.

That makes alot of sense, dummy. ;)

[frodo]

Millions and millions of babies for many, many, many, many, many generations have used the drop down baby crib with no problems. But we do live in a different age. The age of the big fat pussy and of course useless parents. Guess what? The baby crib is now a problem. Lets all of a sudden point the finger at the crib maker.

How about just put a little warning on the side of the crib and let the mature adults decide for themselves where their baby sleeps. Let the mature adult put the little crib together and make sure all the screws are in tight. Let the mature adult listen to the little baby monitor at the chance something goes a rye or let the parent decide if the baby crib should be in same room with the mature adult. Let the mature adult decide if they can lift the baby up without a drop down. You want to ban something, ban the asshole parents putting there kids safety in danger everyday by beating them, leaving them alone for days at a time, shooting up, molesting, ban those people. A freaken baby crib that's been around forever... It a bad joke man.
there have been reported a number of death cases caused by drinking too much wet water, so that wet water is supposedly a dangerous thing and should have been banned already.

[Stringer_Bell]

Stinger, do you believe that we are entitled to be 100% safe from all retail items? Out of the billions of items sold annually, isn't it possible that some are either misused, or defective? I don't mean to sound cold about this, but 32 deaths in what. A decade?

I simply do not believe in achieving 100.000000000% safety.

Did someone just call out the Stinger?

http://www.wrestlingmuseum.com/images/photos/sting01.jpg

32 deaths in a decade is about 3 a year. What if these crib Research and Development people found a way to make a crib that lowers the rate down to less than 1 per year so that even dumb fucking useless immature parents can use them? It's not the child's fault that items that need 1/2 a brain are assembled by their no-brain parents.

Children are entitled to lessening the chances their stupid parents kill them on accident. IMHO.

But hey, at least we agree that 100% safety is unattainable.

[DarrinS]

How did my kids survive?


Oh well, hopefully the lawyers made some good money.

[jack sommerset]

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?article_id=53103

Lets ban illegals. They are responsible for more deaths than any baby cribs. How bout some support on this ban from the folks that care so much about the 30 babies killed in the last 10 years.

[ElNono]

Lets ban illegals.

They're already banned, jack. That's why they're called illegals. http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/457591-D24/591/19/facepalm_icon.gif

[Wild Cobra]

See, banning something just doesn't work.

[ElNono]

Yep, you also have to enforce it.

[jack sommerset]

They're already banned, jack. That's why they're called illegals. http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/457591-D24/591/19/facepalm_icon.gif

Really? http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/457591-D24/591/19/facepalm_icon.gif

Funding Illegal Immigration: The House Budget
http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/files/Funding-Illegal-Immigrants.pdf

“Stimulus” funding provides jobs and benefits to illegal aliens
http://massachusetts.newsplatoon.com/2009/03/16/stimulus-funding-provides-jobs-and-benefits-to-illegal-aliens/

Costs of Educating Legal & Illegal Immigrants
http://www.mnforsustain.org/immg_costs_of_educating_legal_illegals_fair.htm

Utah First To Give Illegal Aliens Special Driver’s Licenses
http://www.judicialwatch.org/node/9642/talk

Illegal Aliens Give Birth to 60K Babies Annually in Texas ...
http://topics.dallasnews.com/article/01s5eOiabs6wd

Lots more government funding for illegal alliens. I wonder how many people support kicking out illegals that support throwing out baby cribs. Illegals kill 12 americans a day. That baby crib killed 1 a year.

[TeyshaBlue]

They're already banned, jack. That's why they're called illegals. http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/457591-D24/591/19/facepalm_icon.gif

pqwnd.:toast

[RandomGuy]

Just because something has been around forever doesn't necessarily mean it's correct. If these cribs are causing deaths, then they should probably outlaw it. Or at least make the manufacturer put a big sticker on it saying, "Known to cause infant deaths".

I don't know if 32 deaths in a decade is a big number... doesn't seem it, but they don't show the track record of "fixed" cribs for comparison.

32 deaths in a decade?


Each year there are approximately 4 million births in the U.S.
http://www.susps.org/overview/birthrates.html

4M*10= 40,000,000

32/40,000,000= 0.00008%

We are outlawing a children's product that is 99.99992% safe?

Are you fucking kidding me?

I wish all the stuff in my house was that safe for kids.

[RandomGuy]

(waits for the inevitable comment from Darrin et al about even RG is outraged at this, so this clearly means that everything the US government does is stupid, ipso facto Columbo Oreo)

[jack sommerset]

Jack's right. The government funds many projects to help illegal immigrants here in the USA. Education, jobs, health care,etc...... We're getting mixed messages to say the least.:toast

Fixed

[TeyshaBlue]

Fixed

Illegal = banned in any linguistic sense of the word. If you want to argue execution, that's fair game. But El Nono clowned you with a silly definition. Own it, Jack. It's ok.

[jack sommerset]

Illegal = banned in any linguistic sense of the word. If you want to argue execution, that's fair game. But El Nono clowned you with a silly definition. Own it, Jack. It's ok.

Give me a break. Reality says the "ban" on illegal immigration is silly.

[TeyshaBlue]

Give me a break. Reality says the "ban" on illegal immigration is silly.

I wasn't aware that El Nono was discussing the effectiveness of the ban when he clowned you. But, a deft move of the goal post fixes that I suppose.

[jack sommerset]

I wasn't aware that El Nono was discussing the effectiveness of the ban when he clowned you.

Of course he wouldn't, he supports illegal immigration. But he did accomplish to make you giggle and that's what's important.

[TeyshaBlue]

Of course he wouldn't, he supports illegal immigration. But he did accomplish to make you giggle and that's what's important.

It's nice to see you have your priorities straight, Jack. Now dance, little monkey!:lol

[jack sommerset]

It's nice to see you have your priorities straight, Jack. Now dance, little monkey!:lol

:sleep

[TeyshaBlue]

:downspin::downspin::elephant:clap:monkey

Thanks for the hard work, Jack. :lmao

[jack sommerset]

You're trolling. Have fun!!!!

[Trainwreck2100]

what idiot lobbied for this shit?

[ElNono]

Really? http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/457591-D24/591/19/facepalm_icon.gif

Funding Illegal Immigration: The House Budget
http://www.jwpcivitasinstitute.org/files/Funding-Illegal-Immigrants.pdf

“Stimulus” funding provides jobs and benefits to illegal aliens
http://massachusetts.newsplatoon.com/2009/03/16/stimulus-funding-provides-jobs-and-benefits-to-illegal-aliens/

Costs of Educating Legal & Illegal Immigrants
http://www.mnforsustain.org/immg_costs_of_educating_legal_illegals_fair.htm

Utah First To Give Illegal Aliens Special Driver’s Licenses
http://www.judicialwatch.org/node/9642/talk

Illegal Aliens Give Birth to 60K Babies Annually in Texas ...
http://topics.dallasnews.com/article/01s5eOiabs6wd

Lots more government funding for illegal alliens. I wonder how many people support kicking out illegals that support throwing out baby cribs. Illegals kill 12 americans a day. That baby crib killed 1 a year.

You can't declare illegal aliens illegal, jack. They already are.
You might not like the lack of enforcement, but that's a different story.

In much the same way you can keep using the drop-side crib you have in the privacy of your home regardless of any ban just as long nobody comes around to take it away from you.

[ElNono]

Of course he wouldn't, he supports illegal immigration.

You couldn't be more wrong. As a legal immigrant I despise illegal immigration. It causes us legal immigrants all sorts of problems since a lot of people puts us both in the same bag.

[Blake]

Drunk driving and cigarettes - but we all know those things will never be outlawed - too much tax revenue.


what year do you live in?

[SnakeBoy]

In other news, the number of infants deaths from being dropped when lifting them in/out of cribs without drop sides sky rockets.

[jack sommerset]

You couldn't be more wrong. As a legal immigrant I despise illegal immigration. It causes us legal immigrants all sorts of problems since a lot of people puts us both in the same bag.

LoL@despise. You love em.

[jack sommerset]

32 deaths in a decade?


http://www.susps.org/overview/birthrates.html

4M*10= 40,000,000

32/40,000,000= 0.00008%

We are outlawing a children's product that is 99.99992% safe?

Are you fucking kidding me?

I wish all the stuff in my house was that safe for kids.

Using that big brain of yours for something good.

[ElNono]

LoL@despise. You love em.

lol @ asking to ban what's already illegal
lol @ a lifetime of ignorance

[jack sommerset]

lol @ asking to ban what's already illegal
lol @ a lifetime of ignorance

lol@ comparing the mexican/usa border to the berlin wall
lol@ you educating anyone
lol@ moderate
lol@ you being a stupid fuck

[MannyIsGod]

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?article_id=53103

Lets ban illegals. They are responsible for more deaths than any baby cribs. How bout some support on this ban from the folks that care so much about the 30 babies killed in the last 10 years.

I don't give a shit about cribs, but there is no fucking way Illegals murder 12 people a day.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao @ banning illegals.

We should ban murder, imo.

[jack sommerset]

I don't give a shit about cribs, but there is no fucking way Illegals murder 12 people a day.

Why's that. The article does say "if" the info in correct referring to the 12 per day. What makes you think they don't kill that many?

[ElNono]

lol@ comparing the mexican/usa border to the berlin wall
lol@ you educating anyone
lol@ moderate
lol@ you being a stupid fuck

lol @ pretending you know anything about me
lol @ banning illegals
lol @ ignorant for a lifetime

[ElNono]

:lmao @ banning illegals.

We should ban murder, imo.

Maybe we should ban drugs too!!!! That'll show them! :lmao

[jack sommerset]

:lmao @ banning illegals.

We should ban murder, imo.

I can't help you giggling idiots can't grasp that being illegal in our country is A OK. We fund them, give them jobs, health care, stimulus...A kid told chewbacca her mommy was illegal (and it was true) on national TV and nothing done about it. The freaken first lady and everyone turned their backs. Keep on giggling.

[jack sommerset]

lol @ pretending you know anything about me


LOL@22,000 post plus much much more. We're getting to know you.

[MannyIsGod]

Why's that. The article does say "if" the info in correct referring to the 12 per day. What makes you think they don't kill that many?

There is no way a demographic of people who make up a very small percentage of the nation's population account for nearly 1/3 of its murder rate.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't help you giggling idiots can't grasp that being illegal in our country is A OK. We fund them, give them jobs, health care, stimulus...A kid told chewbacca her mommy was illegal (and it was true) on national TV and nothing done about it. The freaken first lady and everyone turned their backs. Keep on giggling.

I can't help that you don't know what the words ban and illegal mean.

[ElNono]

LOL@22,000 post plus much much more. We're getting to know you.

lol @ you still don't know anything about me
lol @ ignorant for a lifetime

[ElNono]

I can't help you giggling idiots can't grasp that being illegal in our country is A OK. We fund them, give them jobs, health care, stimulus...A kid told chewbacca her mommy was illegal (and it was true) on national TV and nothing done about it. The freaken first lady and everyone turned their backs. Keep on giggling.

So you're complaining about the lack of enforcement... and banning them would change that how?

Exactly.

[jack sommerset]

So you're complaining about the lack of enforcement... and banning them would change that how?

Exactly.

Having a ban on something and not enforcing that ban means there really is no ban.

[ElNono]

Having a ban on something and not enforcing that ban means there really is no ban.

Exactly jack. What difference does it make to 'ban illegals' from what we have now?. It's already illegal to be an illegal.

[desflood]

ipso facto Columbo Oreo
Totally off-topic, but I love that show.

[Crookshanks]

what year do you live in?

I didn't mean the act of driving while intoxicated - we all know that's illegal. I meant outlawing alcohol altogether.

[Blake]

I didn't mean the act of driving while intoxicated - we all know that's illegal. I meant outlawing alcohol altogether.

I knew what you meant.....was just funnin.

I still think it's a bad analogy to compare cigs and alcohol to baby cribs.

[Wild Cobra]

In other news, the number of infants deaths from being dropped when lifting them in/out of cribs without drop sides sky rockets.
No shit.

These number will probably be greater!

[Blake]

Having a ban on something and not enforcing that ban means there really is no ban.

so there is absolutely no enforcement on this ban of illegal immigrants?

I wasn't aware.

[jack sommerset]

so there is absolutely no enforcement on this ban of illegal immigrants?

I wasn't aware.

We're kind of past that now. The government sends mixed messages on thier ban of illegal alliens to say the least. Just call me a dumb fucking douchebag or whatever exicits you and throw a few "LoL's" along the way and you will catch right up.

[Blake]

We're kind of past that now. The government sends mixed messages on thier ban of illegal alliens to say the least. Just call me a dumb fucking douchebag or whatever exicits you and throw a few "LoL's" along the way and you will catch right up.

it seems with you that it's either we catch em all or it's not a ban at all.

I've read all the posts including post #1 and #15 where it's not totally clear who you are calling "pussy". It's looks like you are calling human babies "pussies" for sleeping in a safer crib, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt you're not.

[jack sommerset]

it seems with you that it's either we catch em all or it's not a ban at all.

I've read all the posts including post #1 and #15 where it's not totally clear who you are calling "pussy". It's looks like you are calling human babies "pussies" for sleeping in a safer crib, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt you're not.

Thanks man, it means alot.

[Blake]

Thanks man, it means alot.

e-cred....it means everything. :tu

[rascal]

Millions and millions of babies for many, many, many, many, many generations have used the drop down baby crib with no problems. But we do live in a different age. The age of the big fat pussy and of course useless parents. Guess what? The baby crib is now a problem. Lets all of a sudden point the finger at the crib maker.

How about just put a little warning on the side of the crib and let the mature adults decide for themselves where their baby sleeps. Let the mature adult put the little crib together and make sure all the screws are in tight. Let the mature adult listen to the little baby monitor at the chance something goes a rye or let the parent decide if the baby crib should be in same room with the mature adult. Let the mature adult decide if they can lift the baby up without a drop down. You want to ban something, ban the asshole parents putting there kids safety in danger everyday by beating them, leaving them alone for days at a time, shooting up, molesting, ban those people. A freaken baby crib that's been around forever... It a bad joke man.

How do you know that changes were not made to the design of the crib from earlier models to save costs and make more profits and those changes have caused the cribs to become more unsafe?

You need to know all the facts before you start bitching.

[boutons_deux]

"You need to know all the facts"

Like WC, Jack Don't Need No Stinkin Facts, he's got his ideology and prejudices.

My guess is Jack gets his worldview from Fox Repug Propaganda network, which was shown to make people "You Dumb. For Real"

[Wild Cobra]

I wonder what parents in wheelchairs are going to do?

[ElNono]

I wonder what parents in wheelchairs are going to do?

http://www.disabledparents.net/crib.html

[jack sommerset]

How do you know that changes were not made to the design of the crib from earlier models to save costs and make more profits and those changes have caused the cribs to become more unsafe?

You need to know all the facts before you start bitching.

Please tell us old wise one. Give us all the facts.

RG said it best. A product that has 99.999999 safety record has been banned. Pretty nuts!! Lets ban cars next.

[Wild Cobra]

Please tell us old wise one. Give us all the facts.

RG said it best. A product that has 99.999999 safety record has been banned. Pretty nuts!! Lets ban cars next.
Careful what you say. The liberals in my city seem to be trying to do just that!

[mouse]

Now they just need to find out roll away beds are dangerous and you guys living in your mothers basement are fucked.

[UnWantedTheory]

Stinger, do you believe that we are entitled to be 100% safe from all retail items? Out of the billions of items sold annually, isn't it possible that some are either misused, or defective? I don't mean to sound cold about this, but 32 deaths in what. A decade?

I simply do not believe in achieving 100.000000000% safety.
The ban isn't practical at all. I am not sure why we dont adjust the standards of the plastic & wrap the damn things in assembly warnings. To recall millions? My son & all of my nephews & nieces were raised in drop side cribs. I think this to be a bit drastic. Just MO.

[Wild Cobra]

The ban isn't practical at all. I am not sure why we dont adjust the standards of the plastic & wrap the damn things in assembly warnings. To recall millions? My son & all of my nephews & nieces were raised in drop side cribs. I think this to be a bit drastic. Just MO.
Simply more encroachment of the nanny state.

[ElNono]

Please tell us old wise one. Give us all the facts.

RG said it best. A product that has 99.999999 safety record has been banned. Pretty nuts!! Lets ban cars next.

Well, its not like the government doesn't mandate safety features to be included in cars as time goes by. I don't recall you having a tantrum when the NHTSA mandated airbags in cars.

[CosmicCowboy]

Fuck the NHTSA and all the federally mandated bullshit. A fucking 1 ton work truck now costs $50,000 because of all the bullshit. They have doubled in price in 10 years.

[XMas TRoLL]

^ I hope your next XMas is Merrier than this one! :toast