LOL: Manu traveled big time

[tmtcsc]

Sometimes a little luck doesn't hurt. I'll take it, but my man nearly took 5 steps.

[FkLA]

Sometimes a little luck doesn't hurt. I'll take it, but my man nearly took 5 steps.

No he didnt.

[NRHector]

Sometimes a little luck doesn't hurt. I'll take it, but my man nearly took 5 steps.fuck it we take the win :flag:

[Hemotivo]

No he didnt.

[Barfunk]

hmmm just watched the replay fssw... didn't exactly look like one. I might have to check it out again.

[ducks]

he traveled big time

[anonoftheinternets]

umm it a step back jumper .. whers the travel?

[Hemotivo]

he traveled big time

nope

[Texas_Ranger]

what?? He just took a jumpstep.

[Nathan89]

I replayed it and couldn't tell for sure if he traveled. If I can't tell for sure with a replay then it shouldn't be called.

[The_Worlds_finest]

cool story bro

[TampaDude]

he traveled big time

No whistle, therefore it didn't happen. :lol

[tmtcsc]

fuck it we take the win :flag:

Absolutely

[ezau]

He was actually pushed. I know he's gonna make that killer stepback, but Mbah a Moute pushed him when he was about to take the shot.

[Pelicans78]

Or was it a jump and step back? :lol

[Drewlius]

Not one person on the Bucks bench including Skiles showed any emotion to indicate that they thought it was a travel. Skiles immediately put his head down and walked onto the court in disgust.

[EricD]

Sometimes a little luck doesn't hurt. I'll take it, but my man nearly took 5 steps.


Apparently some moron doesn't know what a step back jumper is.

[ezau]

It looked like it was jumpstep, but instead of moving forward, he moved backwards.

[ducks]

Not one person on the Bucks bench including Skiles showed any emotion to indicate that they thought it was a travel. Skiles immediately put his head down and walked onto the court in disgust.

he already got a t and a fine tonight

[ducks]

so alot of people think he traverled here

therefore I am right he did travel

[tmtcsc]

He picked up his dribble, took 1 step, another and then jumped nearly 3 feet to his left, landed and then went up with his shot. No whistle ? No travel ? I'm good with that.

[TampaDude]

It was Manu using his superpowers to distort the space-time continuum. He was actually in two places at the same time, so no, he didn't travel, at least not in the conventional sense. :D

[mexicanjunior]

Looked more like he got fouled, so the refs swallowed the whistle on everything...

[Nathan89]

Kori about to lock it down.

[TDMVPDPOY]

looked fine to me

[bongraider]

no travel. thats a step back jumper. gather on the step back

[mexicanjunior]

Looked more like he got fouled, so the refs swallowed the whistle on everything...

[tmtcsc]

Apparently some moron doesn't know what a step back jumper is.

Apparently you're a blind fucking dipshit.

[TampaDude]

no travel. thats a step back jumper. gather on the step back

WERD...Kobe does that shit all the time...it's not traveling when he does it, either.

[smeagol]

he traveled big time

you're truly an idiot

[TampaDude]

Looked more like he got fouled, so the refs swallowed the whistle on everything...

Would've been funny if he had missed, but got a late whistle and two shots. :lol

[Hemotivo]

Apparently you're a blind fucking dipshit.

Y4Z4bH9Qb0g

[EricD]

Apparently you're a blind fucking dipshit.

At least I know what a step back jumper is.

[Sant1ago]

so alot of people think he traverled here

therefore I am right he did travel

A lot of people think ducks is an idiot, therefore they are right... he is an idiot

[TampaDude]

A lot of people think ducks is an idiot, therefore they are right... he is an idiot

:lmao

[ducks]

Looked more like he got fouled, so the refs swallowed the whistle on everything...

you wish it was called d

[ducks]

WERD...Kobe does that shit all the time...it's not traveling when he does it, either.

kobe and manu do not belong in the same sentence

[DPG21920]

so alot of people think he traverled here

therefore I am right he did travel

A lot of people think you are a little slow, are they correct?

[Dex]

Well, a travel is only a travel if it is called by an NBA official. And all I see is this game going in the books as a win.

I'm not saying the refs are always perfect. I'm just saying that as long as we are personally speculating about calls that weren't made, I'd love to discuss Fisher's 0.4.

Or Manu's foul on Dirk.

I'm sure Utah fans would love to have a word about Jordan's pushoff, as well.

[TampaDude]

kobe and manu do not belong in the same sentence

True...Manu is far more clutch.

[TampaDude]

Well, a travel is only a travel if it is called by an NBA official. And all I see is this game going in the books as a win.

I'm not saying the refs are always perfect. I'm just saying that as long as we are personally speculating about calls that weren't made, I'd love to discuss Fisher's 0.4.

Or Manu's foul on Dirk.

I'm sure Utah fans would love to have a word about Jordan's pushoff, as well.

Don't forget Fisher's mugging of Barry in the 2008 WCF. No call there, either.

[howbouthemspurs]

That was not a freakin travel! you're allowed to take two steps after a dribble before a shot or pass. Or in this case a step back, or in manu's a case a huge jump back for the fade away!

[SuperManu!!!]

What's the matter ducks? Are you crying? buhuuuuu
Go eat shit dickhead
And try to send flowers to your boyfriend tony now that he's single....you might get a shot :rollin

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol the manu haters DUCKS

[FkLA]

He picked up his dribble, took 1 step, another and then jumped nearly 3 feet to his left, landed and then went up with his shot. No whistle ? No travel ? I'm good with that.

Watch the replay. He still had a live dribble when he stepped back...the step he took black was simply bigger than the average stepback. But thats Manu for you, with his long euro steps and shit.

[ducks]

why would I cry
I wanted the win
manu tried to lose it
good thing he made the shot
after he saw tp get blocked by bogut
he tried 2 times in a row to get by him only to get stuffed
he thought he better shoot a jump shot
take about a ball hog

[blizz]

can someone link to the video somewhere? i can't find it.

[Texas_Ranger]

It was not a travel. Some guys here should learn the rules.

[Barfunk]

kobe and manu do not belong in the same sentence

You're right. He will never get the green light to take 30 shots every other game to maintain his averages.

[ducks]

It was not a travel. Some guys here should learn the rules.

had jennings did that what would you say

[GSH]

I should have known there would be a special thread about this. No, it wasn't a travel. And this is from the NBA's website, in the section about the most misunderstood rules:

If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either return to the floor.

He put the ball down, took one step and jumped backwards, landing on both feet. No travel. At that point he couldn't have pivoted, but he didn't try to. He went straight up off both feet and took his shot.

No travel. Sorry.

[TampaDude]

had jennings did that what would you say

He'd still say you're a idiot. :lol

[dbestpro]

Looked more like he got fouled, so the refs swallowed the whistle on everything...

This.

[Texas_Ranger]

had jennings did that what would you say

I'd say it wasn't a travel, cause you can see that it's just a bacstep.

[EricD]

I should have known there would be a special thread about this. No, it wasn't a travel. And this is from the NBA's website, in the section about the most misunderstood rules:

If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either return to the floor.

He put the ball down, took one step and jumped backwards, landing on both feet. No travel. At that point he couldn't have pivoted, but he didn't try to. He went straight up off both feet and took his shot.

No travel. Sorry.

It's called a step back jumper.

Which I tried to point out to the moron who started this thread.

Here moron LEARN! (Not you GSH, The dumbass who started this thread)

_Y932jIh6IA

[WeNeedLength]

why would I cry
I wanted the win
manu tried to lose it
good thing he made the shot
after he saw tp get blocked by bogut
he tried 2 times in a row to get by him only to get stuffed
he thought he better shoot a jump shot
take about a ball hog


OMG WTF who is this guy

:rollin:rollin:rollin

Clearly doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

[howbouthemspurs]

He'd still say you're a idiot. :lol

++++:toast

[hitmanyr2k]

At first I was calling travel but now that I look at it in slo-mo it's not a clear travel. Ginobili's step back move and gathering the ball for the shot is coinciding with his final dribble. No way a ref is gonna be able to call that in game speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ83korBNac#t=0m7s

[NRHector]

after a further review Manu did not travel :toast it was a step back

[NRHector]

OMG WTF who is this guy

:rollin:rollin:rollin

Clearly doesn't know his ass from his elbow.He's a Manu hater

[Old School 44]

No travelling. That's called a "lobster" step back jumper. :lol
Something he picked up from LeBron.

[MannyIsGod]

What a stupid fucking thread.

[TE]

It was a step back retard. No travel whatsoever.

[duncan228]

Not everybody impressed w/Manu's game-winner. Skiles and Mbah a Moute both called it a travel.

[Spursmania]

so alot of people think he traverled here

therefore I am right he did travel

:nope

[Spursmania]

It's called a step back jumper.

Which I tried to point out to the moron who started this thread.

Here moron LEARN! (Not you GSH, The dumbass who started this thread)

_Y932jIh6IA

:toast

[duncan228]

Tough loss. Will be very interesting to check the film on certain little things.hmmmm. Anyway we are off and TRAVELLING back to Milwaukee!

[ducks]

No travelling. That's called a "lobster" step back jumper. :lol
Something he picked up from LeBron.

manu better learn nothing from that fucking loser

[jestersmash]

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[Texas_Ranger]

lol Bucks. They are all butthurt.

[GSH]

LOL... now there's another group of fans who can boo Manu when we play there. The Denver fans (among others) convinced themselves that he's the Antichrist.

Maybe they should add Manu to that list of the dirtiest players ever. The bastard.

[Kori Ellis]

It might have been a borderline travel. Who cares. They aren't going to call it there, and Spurs win.

Spurs fans need to appreciate what's happening right now instead of nitpicking our own players.

21-3?

©Good Times :cooldevil

[Spursmania]

It might have been a borderline travel. Who cares. They aren't going to call it there, and Spurs win.

Spurs fans need to appreciate what's happening right now instead of nitpicking our own players.

21-3?

©Good Times :cooldevil

Yes Maam! Call it like it is. Good times indeed!:king

[Nikos]

It looks like Manu finished his last dribble, then planted his right foot, then stepped back with his left? Wouldnt that be a travel?


If a player jumps off one foot on the count of one he may land with both feet simultaneously for count two.

Didn't he technically jump off one foot on the count of two then land with both feet on the count of three?

[TE]

It might have been a borderline travel. Who cares. They aren't going to call it there, and Spurs win.

Spurs fans need to appreciate what's happening right now instead of nitpicking our own players.

21-3?

©Good Times :cooldevil

:toast

[stxspurs]

Sometimes a little luck doesn't hurt. I'll take it, but my man nearly took 5 steps.

uh someone doesnt know what traveling is.....

[DeadlyDynasty]

It might have been a borderline travel. Who cares. They aren't going to call it there, and Spurs win.

Spurs fans need to appreciate what's happening right now instead of nitpicking our own players.

21-3?

©Good Times :cooldevil

Indeed. Come May when it's all over you guys can look back on thrilling moments like this :tu

[arakkus]

why would I cry
I wanted the win
manu tried to lose it
good thing he made the shot
after he saw tp get blocked by bogut
he tried 2 times in a row to get by him only to get stuffed
he thought he better shoot a jump shot
take about a ball hog

The plays were called for Manu idiot, you know the Spurs best finisher. I'll give props to Bogut though he shut down the hoop for all the spurs at the end there.

[Blackjack]

why would I cry
I wanted the win
manu tried to lose it
good thing he made the shot
after he saw tp get blocked by bogut
he tried 2 times in a row to get by him only to get stuffed
he thought he better shoot a jump shot
take about a ball hog

Ah ... the Ducku. Haiku without restriction. :tu

[Spursfanfromafar]

Just checked the replay.. it is *not* a travel.. a clean step back and jump shot.

[ChuckD]

umm it a step back jumper .. whers the travel?

That move happens probably 50 times a night in the NBA. It is most certainly NOT a travel. You are allowed two steps, no direction specified, after you pick up the ball. Manu fakes hard to the hole, stopped, took ONE jump step back and shot the ball.

[Man In Black]

Step back jumper quacking fucknut!
What cracks me up is that TP got his shot blocked, you even said he did and then what?
He didn't get the ball because Manu's a ballhog, you douche bag. Manu kept the ball because Pop called for it.

SO AGAIN...FUCK YOU DUCKS. Your agenda is so clear, you're fucking transparent. Go Tim, Go Tony, Go Manu and Go Spurs Go!

[GSH]

Ah ... the Ducku. Haiku without restriction. :tu


Heh... Ducku.

Haiku, lowku, beerku all rolled into one.

[tmtcsc]

It was a travel. No one's nitpicking. I'm glad we won and it wasn't called.

To all the retards showing clips of STEP BACK jumpers by people that aren't traveling, congratulations. I know what a Step Back jumper is.

Manu took an EXTRA step before planting for the jumper.

There, move along now. It's all good, lets go beat Denver.

[Blackjack]

Heh... Ducku.

Haiku, lowku, beerku all rolled into one.

Quality art forms, all -- and significantly easier to differentiate and enjoy than Methku.

[tmtcsc]

It's called a step back jumper.

Which I tried to point out to the moron who started this thread.

Here moron LEARN! (Not you GSH, The dumbass who started this thread)

_Y932jIh6IA

Hey Cunt, go back to jerking off to pics of your sister. You think Manu would travel in his own teaching video ? Clueless fuck.

[TampaDude]

Not a travel. Deal with it, Manu haters.

[anonoftheinternets]

It was a travel. No one's nitpicking. I'm glad we won and it wasn't called.

To all the retards showing clips of STEP BACK jumpers by people that aren't traveling, congratulations. I know what a Step Back jumper is.

Manu took an EXTRA step before planting for the jumper.

There, move along now. It's all good, lets go beat Denver.

so there was a nice clip with extra slow motion replay .. and it is a travel, but you have to look at it in extra slow motion to see that the feet touch the ground one after another (the intial step) with the ball being driblled in just before the two steps ..

its a fraction of a second since one step is allowed but because its just before the two steps and then the jump itself, this leads to three steps, but you have to see it in ultra slow motion, referrees on the floor cannot call it so easily.

Compared to the obvious travels which can be called, this one easily gets a pass.

[tmtcsc]

It was a step back retard. No travel whatsoever.

It was a step step back retard. Travel.

[Blackjack]

The language is getting quite fucking vulgar in here.

Let's class it up, fucksticks. :toast

[GSH]

Manu took an EXTRA step before planting for the jumper.

There, move along now. It's all good, lets go beat Denver.


That's it then. The science is settled, and Manu is responsible for global warming.

At least if you live in Milwaukee.



The language is getting quite fucking vulgar in here.

Let's class it up, fucksticks. :toast

And that's MISTER Fuckstick to you.

[tmtcsc]

so there was a nice clip with extra slow motion replay .. and it is a travel, but you have to look at it in extra slow motion to see that the feet touch the ground one after another (the intial step) with the ball being driblled in just before the two steps ..

its a fraction of a second since one step is allowed but because its just before the two steps and then the jump itself, this leads to three steps, but you have to see it in ultra slow motion, referrees on the floor cannot call it so easily.

Compared to the obvious travels which can be called, this one easily gets a pass.

Don't go saying it was a travel here. People will jump your shit for stating the obvious. Even if you're happy it wasn't called and the Spurs won. You'll get called a few names and be given a lesson in step back jumpers.

What a bunch of nonsense. I've seen the play at least 20 times to verify that my Favorite player on my Favorite team got away with one.

[Blackjack]

And that's MISTER Fuckstick to you.

My bad. The messageboard can allow one to leave formality by the wayside, Mr. Fuckstick.

Let's get back to this truly pressing and contentious matter, shall we? :toast

[Kori Ellis]

It was a travel. No one's nitpicking. I'm glad we won and it wasn't called.

My nitpicking comment was to people like ducks...calling Manu a ballhog in this game is ridiculous.

Anyway, tons of people say it was a travel, so you aren't alone. Some posters just think Manu is infallible so they don't see it in the replay.

To me, I don't care if he traveled or not as long as the Spurs won. That was the point of my post.

[TampaDude]

To me, I don't care if he traveled or not as long as the Spurs won. That was the point of my post.

:toast

[spurs1990]

Correct me if I'm wrong but you're allowed three steps on the way to a basket? Why wouldn't that apply on a fadeway shot?

I mean all three refs were looking at Manu and NO ONE, not even the Bucks players and coaches signaled for travel.

21-3.

Next.

[GSH]

If he took two steps before the jump, it was a travel, and we got by with one. I didn't think so, but who the hell cares? Manu made sure that we got the last shot, and it was still a beautiful finish. I'm glad the Spurs won.

[Sean Cagney]

so alot of people think he traverled here

therefore I am right he did travelIf Parker made that it would have been a big shot for you! But Manu makes it! I swear I have never seen a guy hate on a player from his own fave team as much as you over something personal! Did he diss you before or what?

[Josh810]

why would I cry
I wanted the win
manu tried to lose it
good thing he made the shot
after he saw tp get blocked by bogut
he tried 2 times in a row to get by him only to get stuffed
he thought he better shoot a jump shot
take about a ball hog
I seriously hate you more than anything

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

LOL at Bogut's twitter post tonight

"Tough loss. Will be very interesting to check the film on certain little things.hmmmm. Anyway we are off and TRAVELLING back to Milwaukee!"

And LOL at travelling being called in the NBA

[duncan228]

Buck Harvey: Ginobili keeps ‘the old man’ working (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/12/15/buck-harvey-ginobili-keeps-%e2%80%98the-old-man%e2%80%99-working/)
Buck Harvey

The Spurs put a contract in front of Manu Ginobili last spring. But before he signed, he had a question for Gregg Popovich.

How much longer do you plan to keep coaching?

“He told me just five months,” Ginobili deadpanned Wednesday night. “That’s why I stayed.”

At 21-3, the jokes come easy. Easier than the wins. The Spurs survived Wednesday after losing an 18-point lead, because Ginobili stepped back on the Milwaukee Bucks at the buzzer and did what he’s seemingly done all season.

So go back to last spring, when Ginobili’s contract was on the table.

Why wouldn’t Popovich want to hang around to watch this show as long as he could?

As Ginobili’s game-winner fell, and the arena rose, Popovich stood like a man with a mess of papers still on his desk. Even with this win, even with this record, Popovich has work to do.

Yes, Ginobili saved them. “But you wouldn’t be in that position,” Popovich said, “had you played the 24 minutes before that.”

Keep Reading... (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/12/15/buck-harvey-ginobili-keeps-%e2%80%98the-old-man%e2%80%99-working/)

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2010/12/15/buck-harvey-ginobili-keeps-%e2%80%98the-old-man%e2%80%99-working/

[spurs10]

That move happens probably 50 times a night in the NBA. It is most certainly NOT a travel. You are allowed two steps, no direction specified, after you pick up the ball. Manu fakes hard to the hole, stopped, took ONE jump step back and shot the ball.
And was bumped..............:flag:

[spurs1990]

LOL at Bogut's twitter post tonight

"Tough loss. Will be very interesting to check the film on certain little things.hmmmm. Anyway we are off and TRAVELLING back to Milwaukee!"

And LOL at travelling being called in the NBA

These assholes talking like this will definitely serve as motivation for the Spurs when they visit Milwaukee.

I predict a thorough ass kicking in that game.

January 12. Mark your calendars.

[JR21]

Travel or not i don't know... but i all i know is i was at the game and DAYUMMMMMMM!!!!!! BEST SHIT EVER.:toast:king:lobt2:

[crc21209]

Looked good to me...:tu

[TDMVPDPOY]

so alot of people think he traverled here

therefore I am right he did travel

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_h264cb6C0Jo/TPjrxXixjVI/AAAAAAAAASk/lKJr9wkxa0s/s1600/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg

[Man In Black]

It takes slo-mo to see it, but he plants with his right, and then takes a long step back with his left. Normally, he would then bring back his right to equalize and then he jumps up to take the shot. Legal step-back J. On this particular play, he brought his foot back to equalize, got bumped which forced another jump back so he could clear to make the J. That other jump back is THE TRAVEL.
But, as we all know...the ref's have to call it for it to be anything and what they called it was...2 POINTS :toast

[NickiRasgo]

http://www.nba.com/videorulebook/category.html?cid=76

[ynh]

I'm not sure if it was a travel or not.. it didn't look right though.. I will say that. Which made me think of something.

What exactly is the difference between a jump stop (jumping in the air and coming down after a dribble) and jumping up for a shot and not taking it? It seems to me as long as I'm not jumping stationary I can go up.. not shoot the ball if I don't see anything.. come back down.. and then shoot again.

I really don't like the move.. never have.. If you leave your feet and don't shoot the ball it should be a travel. I realize the rules don't say this but one of the many reasons I don't like the nba as much as I should.

[ynh]

Leads to moves like lebron taking a 5 foot hop step to get in the lane.. ugly ugly ass basketball.

[GSH]

I'm not sure if it was a travel or not.. it didn't look right though.. I will say that. Which made me think of something.

What exactly is the difference between a jump stop (jumping in the air and coming down after a dribble) and jumping up for a shot and not taking it? It seems to me as long as I'm not jumping stationary I can go up.. not shoot the ball if I don't see anything.. come back down.. and then shoot again.

I really don't like the move.. never have.. If you leave your feet and don't shoot the ball it should be a travel. I realize the rules don't say this but one of the many reasons I don't like the nba as much as I should.

I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep. Jumping off of one foot and coming down on both is another thing entirely. (As long as the jump occurs on the one count.)

The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:

1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps

People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.

I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.

Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step". It's really no different than landing on both feet simultaneously after a long (hop) step.

The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.

[Man In Black]

I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep.

The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:

1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps

People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.

I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.

Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step".

The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.

You're correct. Except in this instance, because he was pushed, Manu took an extra jump step to clear.

It looks like this.

Last Dribble->Set Right Foot to push back to left.
Left Foot goes back to get distance from opposing defender.
Right foot comes back to meet left, equalize body and set up for J.
Both feet are set->bumped, he's forced to jump back with both feet. This hop, is the travel, and then he takes the J.

It's a hard one to call in real-time and note that in this situation, had they called it a travel, there would have been only .5 or so to take a shot and this game would've gone OT but, like any home team fan who saw the result, I'll take the W.

[GSH]

I don't know about tonight, except that we won. I don't want to get caught up in nit-picky slow-mo replay stuff.

The rule is the way I explained it. And a lot (if not most) fans don't understand why travelling doesn't get called on those plays.

[Man In Black]

Some travels are easy to see and when they happen, you'll see coaches and players react accordingly. On this one, Milwaukee didn't react. Only later, did they say anything. It took Coach Skiles and Mbah a Moute a slow mo look at the monitor to call it a travel. Again, Manu practices that step back all the time. That bump through him off for a sec but he was able to steady himself and drain the jumper.
The refs called it 2 points and that's the official result.

[Chomag]

That was a clear travel but Manu did it becuase it looks like he was bumped so good no call if you ask me. Since both are violations I'm happy the refs let the ball decide instead of calling ether a foul or a travel since both violations canceled each other out..

[UnWantedTheory]

I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep. Jumping off of one foot and coming down on both is another thing entirely. (As long as the jump occurs on the one count.)

The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:

1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps

People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.

I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.

Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step". It's really no different than landing on both feet simultaneously after a long (hop) step.

The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.
I honestly could care less if he traveled or not, but watching it on my DVR super slow, it seems like what GSH said is about accurate. Despite the close appearance of a travel, I truly believe it was a legit step back. The last dribble to the ground was as he was planting the one foot...then he jumped back on both feet to shoot the J. Seems pretty legal to me. Even if it was a three step, it happens many times throughout every NBA game. Again, maybe I am wrong concerning the rules, but it looks legit to me. Do some people who say he took five steps seeing the dribble that Moute is in the way of?

[UnWantedTheory]

That was a clear travel but Manu did it becuase it looks like he was bumped so good no call if you ask me. Since both are violations I'm happy the refs let the ball decide instead of calling ether a foul or a travel since both violations canceled each other out..
Even if I am wrong in my previous post, I think this should just some it up.

[GSH]

Oh, man, I hate to keep this up. A friend (and I use that term loosely:lol) just e-mailed me these stills. If you disagree about this play, I don't want to argue. Just look at it as an example of how the rule might work, some other time.

In the first he hasn't gathered the ball from the last dribble. In the second he has just gathered it. (Now he's allowed two steps.) In the third he is jumping (stepping) off of one foot. In the fourth he is landing on both feet. (Legal) In the fifth, he is about to shoot from both feet. It's either a legal play, or so damned close that you can't blame a ref for not calling a travel.

BTW - if you think he was bumped prior to the first still, then maybe the ref said that the defender knocked the ball loose. In that case, Manu could regain control, and take two steps. Rinse and repeat. Good night.

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[jjktkk]

Oh, man, I hate to keep this up. A friend (and I use that term loosely:lol) just e-mailed me these stills. If you disagree about this play, I don't want to argue. Just look at it as an example of how the rule might work, some other time.

In the first he hasn't gathered the ball from the last dribble. In the second he has just gathered it. (Now he's allowed two steps.) In the third he is jumping (stepping) off of one foot. In the fourth he is landing on both feet. (Legal) In the fifth, he is about to shoot from both feet. It's either a legal play, or so damned close that you can't blame a ref for not calling a travel.

BTW - if you think he was bumped prior to the first still, then maybe the ref said that the defender knocked the ball loose. In that case, Manu could regain control, and take two steps. Rinse and repeat. Good night.

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Nice video clips. Thanks for posting them.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It looked like a travel to me on first viewing, but second time around it's clearly a move allowed to NBA players. Manu drives, gets bumped, puts down a sneaky dribble in the interim, lands on one foot, then hops back onto two for the fadeaway/step-back/how-the-fuck-did-he-keep-his-balance? jumper. Kobe does that shit all the time, as do many other players.

In FIBA competition I think they'd call it a travel, but not in the NBA.

Manu is a snake in the way he can contort or warp his body to get the shot off. I am in awe of you, Manu. :wow

[Martin R]

magnets, he uses magnets.

[DesignatedT]

pretty close tbh

[DespЏrado]

You know I was sure it wasn't a travel but actually he pivots on the left foot....when he is pushing off with it...

I think the ball is still making it's way to his hand when he pushes left with his right foot. (legal) and doesn't count as his first step.

As the ball is gathered and he pushes further left with his left foot, he pivots on that left foot.
You can see it in the stills up the thread. This one in particular, you can see the pivot unwind...
look at the direction his left foot starts facing and ends facing. He pivoted on that foot, and then jumped back.
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Sad to say it was a travel but not because of how many steps he took.

[DespЏrado]

watch the video and stop worrying about counting the steps...just watch his left foot rotate....It's clear as day once you look at it from a "he lifted his pivot foot" standpoint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ83korBNac#t=0m7s

[Texas_Ranger]

I still think it's just a step back jumper.

[DespЏrado]

compare the two videos (start at 49 seconds.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y932jIh6IA&feature#t=0m49s

See that his left foot is completely planted...that's a legal step back...

What he did against the Bucks was perfectly legal for all the steps that he took, except that he pivots on the ball of his left foot.

But as Kori says, it was a win, and no team should rely on the refs to bail them out of a loss.

[Russ]

As Chick Hearn used to say, Manu "did the bunny hop in the pea patch."

[AussieFanKurt]

took an extra step between the last dribble and where he ended up

[EricB]

It was a clear travel.

They got away with it, the Bucks have every right to be mad, Spur fan can can use whatever they want but it was a travel.

Luckily it wasn't called and Manu made the shot. Period.

[UnWantedTheory]

Did Moute hit the ball as he was going up???

[SpurSpurSpurs]

I'm with Ducks, it was a travel. And as EricB said, they just got away with it. So it is a win.

[dastrey]

It was a clear travel.

They got away with it, the Bucks have every right to be mad, Spur fan can can use whatever they want but it was a travel.

Luckily it wasn't called and Manu made the shot. Period.

If anything, the Bucks should be mad at themselves for not complaining right after the shot. Skiles had absolutely no reaction after Manu drilled the shot right in front of him.

[DBMethos]

2 points. Ballgame.

[ChuckD]

If anything, the Bucks should be mad at themselves for not complaining right after the shot. Skiles had absolutely no reaction after Manu drilled the shot right in front of him.

I absolutely don''t think it was a travel, but it begs the question...

And then what They can't use IR to go back and call a travel. They can use it to see if the shot was off in time, if it was a two or a three, or to see how much time is left, or determine who would have possession. That's it.

[timvp]

During regular play, that would probably be called traveling 90% of the time. But players are allowed extra leeway on game-winners when it comes to possible travels or offensive fouls so I'm not surprised the refs swallowed their whistles.

With as many BS luck shots the Bucks have hit at the buzzer against the Spurs over the years, this was just karma evening out. I'll take it. :smokin

[TDMVPDPOY]

even if this game went into OT

supermanu was in turbocharge mode for OT...

[TDMVPDPOY]

even if this game went into OT

supermanu was in turbocharge mode for OT...

[TJastal]

That was not a freakin travel! you're allowed to take two steps after a dribble before a shot or pass. Or in this case a step back, or in manu's a case a huge jump back for the fade away!

This.

And it's even debatable whether Manu took 2 full steps, Manu was just picking up his dribble as he completed his first step.

And even that was hard to determine using my slo-mo instant replay. Not that it even matters, you're allowed 2 steps anyway. Just felt the need to thoroughly disprove the dipshit who started this thread.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Yeah, it's hard to tell. Even if he did, the refs don't call very much in the last seconds of the game normally.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Not even close to a travel--wtf OP?

[Blake]

from the side view, it looked legal.

from the camera view coming from the back, opposite baseline, it looked to me like he went right foot, left foot, landed, then the jump shot.

After further review, it was extremely close, but I think it was a travel.

fDD0cym4gv4

[TJastal]

I don't think there is any situation where a player can jump with both feet and come down with both feet, and not get called. If it doesn't draw a whistle, the refs are just asleep. Jumping off of one foot and coming down on both is another thing entirely. (As long as the jump occurs on the one count.)

The rule says that a player in motion (i.e. dribbling the ball) can "gather the ball" and then take two steps. So if the player puts a foot on the floor (steps) while the ball is on the way up from the floor, he still gets two more steps after he catches the ball on its way up. It's going to look like an extra step to a lot of people who don't understand what the rule actually says. They are going to see this:

1. A step takes place (while the ball is somewhere between the court and his hand)
2. The player gathers the ball in both hands, as it rises from the court
3. The player takes two more steps

People see three steps take place, without the ball hitting the floor, and insist that it is travelling. According to NBA rules, it isn't.

I could be wrong, but I think that is what took place tonight with Manu. I don't have any problem admitting when the refs make bad calls in the Spurs favor. His first step after gathering the ball was forward, and from that foot he leaped (stepped) backward, and landed on both feet. It's permissible under the rules.

Think about it this way: a player takes one step with his left foot, and then another with his right foot. He isn't required to stand there on one foot, to avoid travelling. He is allowed to bring his left foot forward, to stand on both feet - even though it might seem like bringing that left foot forward is another "step". It's really no different than landing on both feet simultaneously after a long (hop) step.

The important thing to remember is that players are allowed two steps "after gathering the ball". And on the second step, they are allowed to land on both feet simultaneously, as long as they don't subsequently pivot with either foot.

This. This. This.

[GSH]

Regardless of what you think happened, Skiles is still a wuss for saying this:"It was great D. (Mbah a Moute) made him travel. We just looked at it about five times [on video]," Skiles said. He actually went to video before the press conference? Serious wuss.

BTW - I didn't have these shots last night. They show what happened a split second before the others. There's the ball on the ground. Then there's Manu about to gather the ball. Those extra steps some people insist he took after his last dribble? Not on video. Phantom steps.

RuffnReadyOzStyle nailed it. Manu put down another sneaky dribble. People couldn't see it because of the camera angle. But you can see the ball in the first photo, peeking out from behind Manu's leg. Those are the steps you guys are talking about, and the ball is on the floor. I wonder if any of you are going to step up and say, "Damn... I didn't know he put the ball on the ground one more time"?

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[wunderkindepiphany]

Sometimes a little luck doesn't hurt. I'll take it, but my man nearly took 5 steps.

If anything, Manu should have gotten called for the foul, but he played through it and got the shot off on a BIG stepback. That big stepback is one of Manu's shots.

[wontstartdumbthreads]

As self appointed resident expert, I have done extensive analysis and agree with myself that it is not a travel.

As to those who would argue that it is a travel, you should lick balls.

[wunderkindepiphany]

He picked up his dribble, took 1 step, another and then jumped nearly 3 feet to his left, landed and then went up with his shot. No whistle ? No travel ? I'm good with that.

Manu drove to his left into the wing, never bringing the dribble to a stop until the pro-hop, and it DID look like he took a step off of his right foot, but he gathered his feet and jumped off of the left. This move is common in NBA basketball and his stepback has been known to draw a traveling call in the past, but it looked legit to me. If anything, Manu should have gotten called for pushing off with the off-hand. I'll take the bucket though.

Manu is just crazy athletic and pulled off a hell of a jumper. Its an honor to watch him play. I don't know if any of you all have seen his tutorial videos, but here you go. These show him with the behind the back dribble and the stepback.

Manu tutorial on the P&R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqx7OqmJpL8

Manu tutorial on the stepback shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y932jIh6IA

[TJastal]

If anything, Manu should have drawn the foul, but he played through it and got the shot off on a BIG stepback. That big stepback is one of Manu's shots.

Manu has a 3 pointer shot too. It's one of his shots.

[Useruser666]

It looks like Paul Pierce made the same move as Manu for his game winner. Except, he even slid his left foot before the step back.

[wunderkindepiphany]

Manu has a 3 pointer shot too. It's one of his shots.

its true, its a shot he has worked to make more reliable and this year he's really made it work for him. Are you trying to be a smartass or just backing up what I said? Cause if youre trying to be an asshole, you should just go get laid and stop being such a douche.

[jmard5]

... or it could have been easily a shooting foul. Refs might have swallowed their whistles letting the players play instead of bringing the outcome of the game through free throws.

In hindsight, the Bucks would probably take Manu's step back, fade away to decide the game than him at the free throw line.

[TJastal]

its true, its a shot he has worked to make more reliable and this year he's really made it work for him. Are you trying to be a smartass or just backing up what I said? Cause if youre trying to be an asshole, you should just go get laid and stop being such a douche.

I'm practising sarcasim. Unwantedtheory told I was poor.

[sa_butta]

He just took a hop then did a fadeaway into his shot...I took the 2nd angle to see there was not travel.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Closer to a foul on Mbah a Moute than a travel on Manu. If he had chosen to sell the contact instead of gathering himself for the shot, methinks he would've gotten that call.

[wunderkindepiphany]

Closer to a foul on Mbah a Moute than a travel on Manu. If he had chosen to sell the contact instead of gathering himself for the shot, methinks he would've gotten that call.

word

[TJastal]

word

You just said Ginobili should have gotten called for a push-off. Which is it?

[LoneStarState'sPride]

You just said Ginobili should have gotten called for a push-off. Which is it?

I think he's referring to selling the contact--it's not necessarily either/or.

[tmtcsc]

It was a clear travel.

They got away with it, the Bucks have every right to be mad, Spur fan can can use whatever they want but it was a travel.

Luckily it wasn't called and Manu made the shot. Period.

Thank you ! I had no idea this post was going to cause so much reaction but I share your sentiments. I'm not mad, I'm thrilled. Maybe it was home cooking, I don't care. Fact is, Manu is a badass and he would have probably finished them off in OT. We won and now I'd like to see us get # 22 on the road against the Nuggs. To play as sloppily as we did and still pull out a win is fantastic. We seemed to lose these types of games last year.

[TJastal]

I think he's referring to selling the contact--it's not necessarily either/or.


If anything, Manu should have gotten called for pushing off with the off-hand. I'll take the bucket though.

I'm not that smart so I might have missed something here, but I can't seem to find the part where he talks about selling the foul. Please point it out for a retard like me, and thanks.

[wunderkindepiphany]

You just said Ginobili should have gotten called for a push-off. Which is it?

well at first I had said that I thought Manu should have drawn the foul, but then after watching it like 5 times again and again, I thought to myself that the D was pretty clean.

I just said word because that thought had crossed my mind too, at first.

yup.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

I'm not that smart so I might have missed something here, but I can't seem to find the part where he talks about selling the foul. Please point it out for a retard like me, and thanks.

My bad, wasn't being clear--I was saying I think he was simply agreeing with my assertion that Manu would've gotten the call if he sold the contact (which doesn't necessarily imply that Manu didn't push off).

Basically, I put words in his mouth :lol My apologies, wunderkindepiphany.

[TJastal]

Thank you ! I had no idea this post was going to cause so much reaction but I share your sentiments. I'm not mad, I'm thrilled. Maybe it was home cooking, I don't care. Fact is, Manu is a badass and he would have probably finished them off in OT. We won and now I'd like to see us get # 22 on the road against the Nuggs. To play as sloppily as we did and still pull out a win is fantastic. We seemed to lose these types of games last year.

Ahh, the EricB seal of approval. You're saved.

[wunderkindepiphany]

Then when I said that I thought, if anything, Manu should have gotten called for a foul, I was talking about him using his off-hand to create space. Truth is, the whole play was just fine, Manu used his arm to clear off a bit, because he was being played close (thats creating space) and yes, if he (Manu) wanted, he could have drawn a foul (as he has, so many other times) but he played through the tight D and hit a LEGIT jumper. got damn

[tmtcsc]

Ahh, the EricB seal of approval. You're saved.

Go back to sniffing your dog's ass. Your comments are worthless, fuckhead. The fact that you're labeled a reformed Pop hater says it all.

[wunderkindepiphany]

and for those of you that are wondering how to use the extra dribble in the step back, let D-Will show you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNhaFuXl3CA

[TJastal]

Then when I said that I thought, if anything, Manu should have gotten called for a foul, I was talking about him using his off-hand to create space. Truth is, the whole play was just fine, Manu used his arm to clear off a bit, because he was being played close (thats creating space) and yes, if he (Manu) wanted, he could have drawn a foul (as he has, so many other times) but he played through the tight D and hit a LEGIT jumper. got damn

It's alot of hard work remembering what you said 5 minutes ago, I know I suffer dementia sometimes too.

[wunderkindepiphany]

I'm not that smart so I might have missed something here, but I can't seem to find the part where he talks about selling the foul. Please point it out for a retard like me, and thanks.

I changed the text on my message from "drawing" to "getting called for" the foul. I explained how, at first, I thought Ginobili should have DRAWN the foul (aka two free-throws) but then, after watching the highlight a few times, I thought the defense was clean. Upon watching the video ad-nauseum, I noticed that Manu's push off might have gotten him called for a foul in, say, an away game. Really, Manu was just using that hand to create space for his jump-back shot, but I was just remarking on that, just because. I said "word" because the sentiments about the foul were the same ones that had crossed my mind earlier.

TJ, youre a tough dude to have a conversation with.

[tmtcsc]

and for those of you that are wondering how to use the extra dribble in the step back, let D-Will show you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNhaFuXl3CA

1 Hard Step (Plant)

2 Steps for last jump

Manu takes a hard right step, a hard left step and then jumps to his left (Landing ) for two additional steps = 4.

[wunderkindepiphany]

face, meet palm. OK man, you have your opinion, I have mine. Luckily, the refs seemed to share mine and now were at 21-3.

oh, and. . .


I'm not that smart so I might have missed something here, but I can't seem to find the part where he talks about selling the foul. Please point it out for a retard like me, and thanks.

You're not a retard, you just act like one.

[NRHector]

face, meet palm. OK man, you have your opinion, I have mine. Luckily, the refs seemed to share mine and now were at 21-3.

oh, and. . .



You're not a retard, you just act like one.:lol

[K-State Spur]

It was a travel - but so are 90% of the jump stops in the NBA by definition of the rule (the vast majority of which go uncalled).

If he had made that move going forward, nobody would have beefed with it - it just looked really awkward because he made a jump stop laterally.

[ambchang]

Manu most definitely travelled on that call. He picked up his dribble, stopped with both feet, then jumped backwards, landed, then jumped and launched the shot. It's almost like the famous Ewing step that Ewing used to do on layups/dunks, only Manu stepped backwards and launched a jumpshot.

And the argument that refs didn't call it so it didn't happen. I am looking forward to that the next time the Spurs got a bad call against them.

[tmtcsc]

face, meet palm. OK man, you have your opinion, I have mine. Luckily, the refs seemed to share mine and now were at 21-3.


I totally understand differing opinions. Agreed. Some posters around here can't react without name calling so I just give back when appropriate. This place can be a friggin zoo. I feed the animals when they deserve it.

P.S. I wouldn't have it any other way. Spurstalk is the best.

[wunderkindepiphany]

I totally understand differing opinions. Agreed. Some posters around here can't react without name calling so I just give back when appropriate. This place can be a friggin zoo. I feed the animals when they deserve it.

P.S. I wouldn't have it any other way. Spurstalk is the best.

I'm cool with a little shit talking. Bt dubs, nice avatar.

[B-Hath]

After seeing it in slo-mo, it was a travel. But meh. Those are the calls you get when you're 21-3.

[DMC]

Regardless of what you think happened, Skiles is still a wuss for saying this:"It was great D. (Mbah a Moute) made him travel. We just looked at it about five times [on video]," Skiles said. He actually went to video before the press conference? Serious wuss.

BTW - I didn't have these shots last night. They show what happened a split second before the others. There's the ball on the ground. Then there's Manu about to gather the ball. Those extra steps some people insist he took after his last dribble? Not on video. Phantom steps.

RuffnReadyOzStyle nailed it. Manu put down another sneaky dribble. People couldn't see it because of the camera angle. But you can see the ball in the first photo, peeking out from behind Manu's leg. Those are the steps you guys are talking about, and the ball is on the floor. I wonder if any of you are going to step up and say, "Damn... I didn't know he put the ball on the ground one more time"?

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I am fairly certain that first pic, the image is not a basketball, but the dangling, peeking helmet of Manu's Argentinian Soldier of Love. Or it could be the UFO he saw...

[Leftyventricle]

it's clear from this video. Ginobili took the proper amount of steps. bXhQNRsH3uc

[DMC]

Also, how about that foot drag by, I think, Douglas-Roberts on that flop in the corner that netted him three freethrows? It was a travel, wasn't a foul, and cost the Spurs 3 points. Any point in the game that a call goes the other way affects the game, so let's even it out.

[EricD]

I am fairly certain that first pic, the image is not a basketball, but the dangling, peeking helmet of Manu's Argentinian Soldier of Love. Or it could be the UFO he saw...


So hilarious.


Move out of the way Will Ferrell, DMC is here and here to stay.

[DMC]

So hilarious.


Move out of the way Will Ferrell, DMC is here and here to stay.

Did you get that fruitcake your parents sent? No, not food, your sister is coming to visit.

[EricD]

Did you get that fruitcake your parents sent? No, not food, your sister is coming to visit.

Just as I thought.

Another post that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. ( so shocking)

You're the epitome of a Spurstalk Loser posting from his mother's basement.

You will never be black and bold.

Get a clue.

[TJastal]

Manu most definitely travelled on that call. He picked up his dribble, stopped with both feet, then jumped backwards, landed, then jumped and launched the shot. It's almost like the famous Ewing step that Ewing used to do on layups/dunks, only Manu stepped backwards and launched a jumpshot.

And the argument that refs didn't call it so it didn't happen. I am looking forward to that the next time the Spurs got a bad call against them.

This is not that tough to figure out.

He sets down a dribble, stops with both feet and as the dribble is coming back to his hand, he is forearm checked at the same time by Mbah Moute while gathering the ball in. So at that point he has ZERO steps accumulated according to the actual RULESET as quoted by GSH. At that point he has the ball gathered in and (with the help of the shove) takes a huge sidestep which is perfectly legal to do, plants, and shoots a jumper off BOTH feet. It's all perfectly legit you assclowns. Geebus.

[DMC]

Just as I thought.

Another post that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. ( so shocking)

You're the epitome of a Spurstalk Loser posting from his mother's basement.

You will never be black and bold.

Get a clue.

Actually not everyone here is still living with mom and dad like you. Not everyone uses their parents approval as an indicator of future success.

I am sitting at a Fourbucks sipping coffee and getting paid for it. I am not soaking up my parent's life savings pretending to be a writer for ESPN. In fact, I am sure I have kids older than you. What were you, 9 years old when the Spurs won their first title? You don't remember Spurs before the Alamodome. I am sure you can read about it though and pretend you know, then write about how great it was back then.

Give it a rest kid. I spent more time in the USAF than you've spent on this planet.

[Nathan Explosion]

Skiles said his player bumped Gino. The bump caused the travel. Either you call the foul or no call the entire thing. If you try and call traveling, you have to call the bump that caused the travel, right?

Either way it would have resulted in points for the Spurs win.

[NRHector]

I am fairly certain that first pic, the image is not a basketball, but the dangling, peeking helmet of Manu's Argentinian Soldier of Love. Or it could be the UFO he saw...I guess the only person that saw the dribble was the ref standing right in front of the play and if he didn't call traveling then it was a legal move but haters are going to hate

[Killakobe81]

so there was a nice clip with extra slow motion replay .. and it is a travel, but you have to look at it in extra slow motion to see that the feet touch the ground one after another (the intial step) with the ball being driblled in just before the two steps ..

its a fraction of a second since one step is allowed but because its just before the two steps and then the jump itself, this leads to three steps, but you have to see it in ultra slow motion, referrees on the floor cannot call it so easily.

Compared to the obvious travels which can be called, this one easily gets a pass.

The OP and anon are both correct. Yes it was a travel. But I was not 100% sure in real time either (though i said tavel!!)
It looked awkward ...but as many said on such a close play why call it? Either way ...Manu made an amazing shot over a tough defender. in slow mo I see what the OP sees ...even with the last dribble, he slides his plant foot than gathers ...but props to him and the spurs.

BTW spurs win in OT regardless ...

[DMC]

The game decider was the defensive stop, not the points. Overtime would not favor the Bucks.

[TJastal]

The OP and anon are both correct. Yes it was a travel. But I was not 100% sure in real time either (though i said tavel!!)
It looked awkward ...but as many said on such a close play why call it? Either way ...Manu made an amazing shot over a tough defender. in slow mo I see what the OP sees ...even with the last dribble, he slides his plant foot than gathers ...but props to him and the spurs.

BTW spurs win in OT regardless ...

And the ruleset states that while a player is gathering the ball (ie ball coming back up from hitting the floor, etc), none of the steps matter. So by your own admissions it is most defenitely NOT a travel. OWNED by yourself. :lol

[NASpurs]

Manu didn't travel

VnFToWP3R4I

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http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/16/have-ball-will-travel-manu-ginobili/

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/manu-ginobili-appears-to-travel-before-hitting-game-winner-to-be/):



As Ginobili drove left — which he always does, you know, considering the fact he’s left-handed — he planted both feet, then lifted both feet to step back to take the game-winning jumper, and landed before elevating to do so. There’s no way that isn’t a travel.

At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.


The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

[Blake]

Manu didn't travel

VnFToWP3R4I

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http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/16/have-ball-will-travel-manu-ginobili/

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/manu-ginobili-appears-to-travel-before-hitting-game-winner-to-be/):




At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.


The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

good post :tu

[TJastal]

Manu didn't travel

VnFToWP3R4I

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http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/16/have-ball-will-travel-manu-ginobili/

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/manu-ginobili-appears-to-travel-before-hitting-game-winner-to-be/):




At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.


The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

Pure ownage to all the douchebags in this thread. Thanks for posting this. :toast

[TJastal]

Now taking side bets on how many more douchebags will still come into this thread and argue it was a travel.

Over/under is 5. I'll take over.

[Rick Von Braun]

Manu didn't travel

VnFToWP3R4I

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http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/16/have-ball-will-travel-manu-ginobili/

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/manu-ginobili-appears-to-travel-before-hitting-game-winner-to-be/):




At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.


The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

/thread

[anonoftheinternets]

intresting i thought the steps count from when the ball touches hte floor and not when the player gathers the ball ... so it is indeed not a travell. props to the video poster.

[wunderkindepiphany]

skeet skeet

[TJastal]

skeet skeet

I think I'll count you as douchbag #1. Just because. 4 more to go..

[wunderkindepiphany]

dude i dont give a damn what you do. nobody does.

[TJastal]

dude i dont give a damn what you do. nobody does.

I know you want to be counted twice, but my conscious just won't allow it.

[wunderkindepiphany]

I know you want to be counted twice, but my conscious just won't allow it.

no you just want to up your post count. you act like its your first time on a forum, man, just relax.

[Horse]

They owe him a lifetime of calls after the phantom and 1 against dirk in 06 that cost us a championship, repeat and maybe 3-peat.

[lazerelmo]

dude traveled. just 3 more to go.

yw

[TJastal]

no you just want to up your post count. you act like its your first time on a forum, man, just relax.

Excuse me, but you're the one posting in the thread. I'm just responding to your posts.

I was going to cut you some slack since you couldn't make up your mind about what you saw and all earlier but c'mon now your pushing it.

[wunderkindepiphany]

Excuse me, but you're the one posting in the thread. I'm just responding to your posts.

I was going to cut you some slack since you couldn't make up your mind about what you saw and all earlier but c'mon now your pushing it.

haha pushing what? All you've done with pretty much everything I have posted, and not only on this thread, is remark with some snarky comment (many of which are just senseless bullshit-like asking me if I knew who Tyson Chandler and Lamar Odem were). Am I supposed to be afraid of "pushing it"? I'll tell you what, lets set up a game, one on one, broadcast it over webcam and that way everybody can watch and see just how great you are at basketball, since you talk like you're an expert. you can name me all 5 douchebags if youd like and create a just as important 6th spot and name me that one too. skeet skeet ho

[wunderkindepiphany]

I know you want to be counted twice, but my conscious just won't allow it.

and btw, its "conscience", dumbass.

[TampaDude]

Manu didn't travel

VnFToWP3R4I

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http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/16/have-ball-will-travel-manu-ginobili/

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/manu-ginobili-appears-to-travel-before-hitting-game-winner-to-be/):




At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.


The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

:toast Yup...this is exactly what I saw, too. Not a travel...not at all.

[TJastal]

haha pushing what? All you've done with pretty much everything I have posted, and not only on this thread, is remark with some snarky comment (many of which are just senseless bullshit-like asking me if I knew who Tyson Chandler and Lamar Odem were). Am I supposed to be afraid of "pushing it"? I'll tell you what, lets set up a game, one on one, broadcast it over webcam and that way everybody can watch and see just how great you are at basketball, since you talk like you're an expert. you can name me all 5 douchebags if youd like and create a just as important 6th spot and name me that one too. skeet skeet ho

I'm just an average poster here, never professed to be an expert on anything. Show me any quote where I claim to be an "expert" at basketball. I can personally recall many times being owned on this forum by smarter posters, such as Mel_13 and Blackjack to name a few. The few times I get something right (like this thread) hey I like to gloat like anyone else.

So if you can find me quotes to back that up that would be nice. chop chop now, you got some work to do.

[TJastal]

and btw, its "conscience", dumbass.

See? I'm not expert as you claim I try to be, I'm average at best.

[TJastal]

I even had to look up what the word "snarky" meant. That's how dumb I am. :lol

[wunderkindepiphany]

I'm just an average poster here, never professed to be an expert on anything. Show me any quote where I claim to be an "expert" at basketball. I can personally recall many times being owned on this forum by smarter posters, such as Mel_13 and Blackjack to name a few. The few times I get something right (like this thread) hey I like to gloat like anyone else.

So if you can find me quotes to back that up that would be nice. chop chop now, you got some work to do.

thing is, I was gloating by saying skeet skeet and you called me a douchebag. once or twice of you talking shit is cool, but if youre trying to pick on me, i dont play that shit. dont be a hypocrite, just play it cool. later average poster.

[jjktkk]

Now taking side bets on how many more douchebags will still come into this thread and argue it was a travel.

Over/under is 5. I'll take over.

Be careful Tjastal, your starting to revert back to bad Tjastal. :lol

[Solid D]

It wasn't an NBA travel.

The travels that never get called are the high speed, fast break dribble-drives. Jason Kidd, Tony Parker and D-Willimas are notorious for running full speed with the ball the other way for a basket, getting in a dribble often enough to pacify the refs.

When Jason was younger, he used to (almost) always get 4 steps in between bounces.

[phxspurfan]

It's no more a travel then any of LeBroom's circus shots.

[Barfunk]

lol the entire basketball world creating articles and crying travel on a very vague if at all traveling call

lol nitpicking the Spurs and Manuel Chernobly

lol turning the cheek when the Lebrons and Crobys of the world travel

lol playing dumb and turning the other way on a Derek Fisherman nano-second shot

lol turning the cheek on a Brent Barry no call to cost spurs a finals trip

[beachwood]

That was not a travel, plain and simple. The video proves it. Suck it up Skiles.

[SpursDynasty85]

It was a travel because he does pick up the dribble and he obviously gathered his feet which means it wasn't a jump step so he has to either shoot or pass the ball. He then takes another step back jumper. --> travel. But in real team it looks legit.

[TJastal]

I know whose parents are getting certain magazine subscription for a certain someone in this thread.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9137/toughguymagazine.jpg

[TJastal]

It was a travel because he does pick up the dribble and he obviously gathered his feet which means it wasn't a jump step so he has to either shoot or pass the ball. He then takes another step back jumper. --> travel. But in real team it looks legit.

#3 douchebag!

2 more to go, and thx for your generous submission SprusDynasty85.

[ambchang]

This is not that tough to figure out.

He sets down a dribble, stops with both feet and as the dribble is coming back to his hand, he is forearm checked at the same time by Mbah Moute while gathering the ball in. So at that point he has ZERO steps accumulated according to the actual RULESET as quoted by GSH. At that point he has the ball gathered in and (with the help of the shove) takes a huge sidestep which is perfectly legal to do, plants, and shoots a jumper off BOTH feet. It's all perfectly legit you assclowns. Geebus.

Not from the way most people saw it. Watch the video. Manu gathered the ball, was shoved while his right foot was on the floor. He gathered himself with his left foot, jumped back, landed on two feet, jumped, and launched a shot.

It was a foul first, but in the strictest sense, it was a travel.

EDIT: After watching the video, I think I was wrong. Not that I miscounted the steps, but I always thought that a player cannot land and jump off two feet after jumping with one foot. This is the section I am referring to:


http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_10.html
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

Manu's pivot foot was his left foot, the one he used to jump backwards after he was shoved. But his left foot landed (along with his right) before he launched a shot.

[z0sa]

Not a travel in the NBA.

[TJastal]

Not from the way most people saw it. Watch the video. Manu gathered the ball, was shoved while his right foot was on the floor. He gathered himself with his left foot, jumped back, landed on two feet, jumped, and launched a shot.

It was a foul first, but in the strictest sense, it was a travel.

I knew I could count on you, ambchang. #4

[Juanobili]

Its funny how an unusual play means its A TRAVEL!!1!!1 OMG!!

It wasn't. Instead of bashing him for it, people should give him props for pulling off such a hard move

[leemajors]

Not from the way most people saw it. Watch the video. Manu gathered the ball, was shoved while his right foot was on the floor. He gathered himself with his left foot, jumped back, landed on two feet, jumped, and launched a shot.

It was a foul first, but in the strictest sense, it was a travel.

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/did-ginobili-travel-on-his-game-winner


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

[ambchang]

I knew I could count on you, ambchang. #4

Gee, what did I ever do to you?

[TJastal]

Gee, what did I ever do to you?

Nothing. I've read enough of your posts over the years to know you wouldn't leave this thread alone. And I was right.

[Borosai]

The noise in here is deafening.

[TVI]

LOL @ the Manu haters grasping at straws claiming a travel...GTFO...not even close...it's a perfect step back picking the ball up off the dribble.

[LoneStarState'sPride]

Damn, there's more articles and discussion out there on the interwebs about this non-travel call than coverage of the Spurs' previous win streak and best start in franchise history combined :lol

[Man In Black]

I love the attention. Hell of a shot. Spurs Win. Let's hope they get 22.

[Barfunk]

Damn, there's more articles and discussion out there on the interwebs about this non-travel call than coverage of the Spurs' previous win streak and best start in franchise history combined :lol


lol the entire basketball world creating articles and crying travel on a very vague if at all traveling call

lol nitpicking the Spurs and Manuel Chernobly

lol turning the cheek when the Lebrons and Crobys of the world travel

lol playing dumb and turning the other way on a Derek Fisherman nano-second shot

lol turning the cheek on a Brent Barry no call to cost spurs a finals trip

[Vito Corleone]

If the refs were going to call anything they probably would have called the contact that forced him to travel. And yes it was a travel, but no way the refs were going to call it when they swallowed their whistles for the contact like they did.

[Cessation]

That was a nice shot.

[TJastal]

If the refs were going to call anything they probably would have called the contact that forced him to travel. And yes it was a travel, but no way the refs were going to call it when they swallowed their whistles for the contact like they did.

Thanks for being #5 Vito

:cheer

[Agloco]

Now taking side bets on how many more douchebags will still come into this thread and argue it was a travel.

Over/under is 5. I'll take over.

Heh....it was only a matter of time.

[ace3g]

well apparently the panel on ESPN Around the Horn thought it was a travel as well, lol

[TJastal]

well apparently the panel on ESPN Around the Horn thought it was a travel as well, lol

Good chance that'll bring a whole new wave of morons into this thread

[phxspurfan]

well apparently the panel on ESPN Around the Horn thought it was a travel as well, lol

Well if Skip Bayless says it's a travel then it's a freaking travel.

[polandprzem]

VnFToWP3R4I&feature=player_em

[Agloco]

VnFToWP3R4I&feature=player_em

Yeah, this video should end all of the debate, it's the best one I've seen out there. Clearly not a travel.

I think the problem most people are having is that the jump step is going backwards instead of sideways or forwards like we are accustomed to seeing. Manu's so unorthodox that he makes it look questionable when it really isn't at all.

[NASpurs]

For people who say he traveled and don't read the whole thread. Refute this:


Manu didn't travel

VnFToWP3R4I

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http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2010/12/16/have-ball-will-travel-manu-ginobili/

In today’s Have Ball, Will Travel, we’ll take a closer look at a pretty controversial play: Manu Ginobili’s game-winning jumper from Wednesday night’s game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Milwaukee Bucks.

Strange things are afoot at the AT&T Center. Ginobili has always had a certain awkwardness to his game, and his unorthodox style is part of what makes him such a difficult cover. It also has led to more than a few missed calls and false traveling positives; Ginobili’s bizarre rhythm makes him a referee’s worst nightmare.
Understandably, this particular play led to widespread declarations across the Twitterverse that Ginobili had duped the officiating crew, committed what many considered to be an obvious traveling violation, and stolen a win in the process. Among them was Brett Pollakoff of NBA FanHouse (http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/12/16/manu-ginobili-appears-to-travel-before-hitting-game-winner-to-be/):




At first glance, I agreed with Brett. Ginobili seems to take two steps before going into his jump stop, which would certainly constitute a travel. However, a closer look at the clip reveals that Manu’s play was actually a completely legal maneuver.


The errors in judgment primarily seem to stem from a plant of Ginobili’s right foot just prior to his step-back and jump stop. While viewing the play from the original broadcast angle at full speed, it indeed appears that Ginobili picks up his dribble before planting that right foot. But if we view the play from another angle, it’s clear that when Manu plants his right foot in what many are counting as his “first” step, the ball isn’t even in his hand. This step isn’t a step at all, at least not for the purposes of any kind of violation. Instead, Ginobili’s step count triggers as soon as he’s gathered and gained control of the ball, which occurs after the right foot has already been planted.


According to the NBA Rulebook, “The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.” Thus, Ginobili’s step-back (with his left foot, prior to the jump stop) is his actual first step. The rulebook also states that “a progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step.” Ginobili does just that, and gives us a fine example of a perfectly legal jump stop. He jumps immediately afterward to fire up the game-winner, which means for those counting at home, the entire sequence consisted of a rulebook-entitled two steps.

[Spurs Brazil]

I don't know if it was a travel but the shot was GREAT

N7vgGmgOWCU

[21_Blessings]

He was actually pushed.

Like Fisher was in the 2008 WCF. :lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

For people who say he traveled and don't read the whole thread. Refute this:

I notice that none of the posters who posted after TJastal and GSH have even attempted to answer the analysis with the rules.

It was not a travel. Their posts should have ended the phantom travel callers. Yet, somehow it didn't. Then again, there are those who still think that the Sun revolves around the Earth.
:lol

:toast to GSH, TJastal, Solid D, and the other posters who attempted (and did) inject some level of intelligence, reason, logic, and fact into this fail of a thread.

You all presented the facts in a convincing, compelling manner which leaves no reasonable doubt for reasonable people. You can't be responsible for those who don't fall into that last category. I am especially referring to those who posted after the rule and analysis quotation posts.

:flag:

[gospursgojas]

It looked like it was jumpstep, but instead of moving forward, he moved backwards.

[WalterBenitez]

Manu flyes

[DMC]

Like Fisher was in the 2008 WCF. :lol

No, he said that he was pushed, not that he was a pussy.

[ducks]

10 pages

must be alot of manu haters huh

[DMC]

thing is, I was gloating by saying skeet skeet and you called me a douchebag. once or twice of you talking shit is cool, but if youre trying to pick on me, i dont play that shit. dont be a hypocrite, just play it cool. later average poster.

Sorry dude, not to call you out, but if that's your mug in your avatar, you look like something Clay Aiken would dream about, like someone who would hold a cock in his mouth until it got limp, refusing to suck it because that might mean you are a faggot.

[DespЏrado]

For people who say he traveled and don't read the whole thread. Refute this:

Read my posts in this thread, I incontrovertibly proved that it was a travel...He traveled because he pivoted on his left foot....Not because of how many steps he took...(page 5 btw)

[TJastal]

Read my posts in this thread, I incontrovertibly proved that it was a travel...He traveled because he pivoted on his left foot....Not because of how many steps he took...(page 5 btw)

I just went back and re-watched the sequence 5X, and I don't see this mysterious "pivot". He landed on both feet, but you say he pivoted only his left? He'd be a hell of a contortionist if he can do that. :lol

[DespЏrado]

I just went back and re-watched the sequence 5X, and I don't see this mysterious "pivot". He landed on both feet, but you say he pivoted only his left? He'd be a hell of a contortionist if he can do that. :lol

The pivot is on the jump before he lands...

[TJastal]

The pivot is on the jump before he lands...

So he pivoted in mid-air??

:lmao