US Engages in Chemical Warfare!

[LnGrrrR]

After all, gunpowder is a chemical... and the military uses it... so chemical warfare!

[Wild Cobra]

Ha. ha...

[greyforest]

here I added some content to your post:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml

[diego]

agent orange via Vietnam Veterans of America (http://www.utvet.com/agentorange.html)


There are a variety of means by which veterans could have been exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam. Veterans may have taken part in the actual spraying which involved airplanes, helicopters, in Vietnam river boats, trucks or backpacks. They may also have been exposed to Agent Orange by consuming contaminated food or drinking water. Veterans could have been in areas while spraying occurred or in areas that were recently sprayed and areas that were sprayed and then burned. Burning increases by 25% the dioxin toxicity of the Agent Orange present. For those of us who served in the US armed forces in Vietnam during the war, it is the war that will not end. It is the war that, in our view, continues to claim its victims decades after the last shots were fired. It is the war of rainbow herbicides, Agents Orange, Blue, White, Purple, Green and Pink.

and that's the analysis from your side, Lngrrr. The vietnamese side of the story is far worse.

more info (http://hatfieldgroup.com/services/contaminantagentorange/agentorangereports.aspx)

short vietnamese article (http://rt.com/news/vietnam-war-chemical-weapons/)

List of current US chemical weapon stockpiles including brief history of US chemical weapons, via Federation of American Scientists (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/cbw/cw.htm)

[spursncowboys]

We still use willie pete.

[Nbadan]

The newspaper says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague

This is why Dubya was convinced 'he had them!' Poppy Bush and Reagan gave it to him...too bad Saddam destroyed them after the first Gulf War...

[Nbadan]

After all, gunpowder is a chemical... and the military uses it... so chemical warfare!

Is this a joke? We used irradiated artillery shells in Iraq and now babies are being born stillborn and with birth defects....

[LnGrrrR]

Is this a joke? We used irradiated artillery shells in Iraq and now babies are being born stillborn and with birth defects....

Actually it was, directed towards Parker due to his other asinine thread.

[Winehole23]

Regardless, other posters do have a point. Your point being directed at Parker doesn't negate that.

[Winehole23]

Those who have been at the receiving end of "chemical warfare", or those who take exception to its instances, might not appreciate the humor.

[diego]

I didnt realize it was a response to the chemtrail thread... I thought maybe in the US media someone accused the US of chemical warfare and since I've read Lngrrr is military I assumed he was being defensive.

if its just to make fun of parker2112, carry on :lol

[spursncowboys]

This is why Dubya was convinced 'he had them!' Poppy Bush and Reagan gave it to him...too bad Saddam destroyed them after the first Gulf War...
do you have proof that america sold the chemical weapons to saddam that he used on iran, shiites and kurds.

[Bartleby]

do you have proof that america sold the chemical weapons to saddam that he used on iran, shiites and kurds.

the materials used to make the poison gas used on the Kurds was purchased (illegally) from private U.S. companies, but it seems likely that people at the Pentagon knew about the deal, at the very least.

[spursncowboys]

Everywhere I looked had it coming from the soviets.

[MannyIsGod]

Those who have been at the receiving end of "chemical warfare", or those who take exception to its instances, might not appreciate the humor.

I doubt those people are reading Spurstalk.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't forget the Salt Peter that's put in some bottled water.

[Winehole23]

I doubt those people are reading Spurstalk.Good point, but the touchiness seemed palpable enough to me at the beginning of the thread, and LnGrrrR's parry was plainly defensive in execution. As yet he's said nothing further.



(Starting a thread just to clown another poster is inherently risky, no matter how deserving the target.)

[Sec24Row7]

Is this a joke? We used irradiated artillery shells in Iraq and now babies are being born stillborn and with birth defects....

If they are still born with birth defects then I guess that's not as bad. :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Good point, but the touchiness seemed palpable enough to me at the beginning of the thread, and LnGrrrR's parry was plainly defensive in execution. As yet he's said nothing further.



(Starting a thread just to clown another poster is inherently risky, no matter how deserving the target.)

Eh, I felt Parkers idiotic comment needed highlighting.

[Winehole23]

More than Parker's foolishness was highlighted. You trivialized a serious topic, whether you meant to or not.

Did we use DU in the war in Yugoslavia or Iraq? Willie pete? It ain't no joke.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't forget the Salt Peter that's put in some bottled water.
I'm surprised. No bites on this one?

I'm not joking!

[LnGrrrR]

More than Parker's foolishness was highlighted. You trivialized a serious topic, whether you meant to or not.

Did we use DU in the war in Yugoslavia or Iraq? Willie pete? It ain't no joke.

DU? Not familiar with that abbreviation.

And AFAIK, WP and napalm are both legal. (though not quite sure why...)

[spursncowboys]

wp i don't we are allowed to use as a weapon. just as an illum.

[LnGrrrR]

wp i don't we are allowed to use as a weapon. just as an illum.

Thanks for the clarification SnC.

[Winehole23]

DU? Not familiar with that abbreviation.Depleted urunium rounds.

[LnGrrrR]

Depleted urunium rounds.

Not sure about the legality of DU, but I assume it's not against the Geneva Conventions.

[diego]

agent orange isnt napalm, its a defoliant. They used several, some were used in commercial domestic products too, till they got banned. But obviously in the war they were used in much greater quantity and it was quite deadly. from one of the links i posted:


During World War II, President Roosevelt announced a no-first-use policy but had promised instant retaliation for any Axis use of chemical agents. Over 600 military casualties and an unknown number of civilian casualties resulted from the 1943 German bombing in Bari Harbor, Italy, of the John Harvey, an American ship loaded with two thousand 100-pound mustard bombs.

At the end of the war stockpiles of newer agents, called "nerve gases," were discovered. These were found to be effective in much lower concentrations than those agents known up to that time. The end of World War II did not stop the development or stockpiling of chemical weapons. The U.S., which used defoliants and riot-control agents in Vietnam and Laos, finally ratified the Geneva Protocol in 1975 but with the stated reservation that the treaty did not apply either to defoliants or to riot-control agents.

US policy renounces the first use of lethal or incapacitating chemical agents. However, it retains the right to retaliate if deterrence fails to prevent the enemy's first use of chemicals. As is the case with nuclear weapons, the President of the United States must approve the initial use of chemical weapons. This approval procedure is known as chemical release.

The United States stockpile of unitary lethal chemical warfare munitions consists of various rockets, projectiles, mines, and bulk items containing blister agents (mustard H, HD, HT) and nerve agents (VX, GB). About 60% of this stockpile is in bulk storage containers; 40% is stored in munitions, many of which are now obsolete. The stockpile is stored at eight sites throughout the Continental US (Edgewood Chemical Activity, MD; Anniston Chemical Activity, AL; Blue Grass Chemical Activity, KY; Newport Chemical Depot, IN; Pine Bluff Chemical Activity, AR; Pueblo Chemical Depot, CO; Deseret Chemical Activity, UT; and Umatilla Chemical Depot, OR) and at one site outside of the Continental US on Johnston Atoll.

[Parker2112]

agent orange isnt napalm, its a defoliant. They used several, some were used in commercial domestic products too, till they got banned. But obviously in the war they were used in much greater quantity and it was quite deadly. from one of the links i posted:

link please?

[spursncowboys]

Active Ingredients
The Agent Orange herbicide combination contained minute traces of 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin (also known as TCDD or dioxin), which has been shown to cause a variety of illnesses in laboratory animals.

The two active ingredients in Agent Orange were equal amounts of:

2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4-D)
2,4,5-trichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2,4,5-T), containing minute traces of 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin

http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/basics.asp

[spursncowboys]

Military Says Goodbye to Napalm

Napalm No More Pentagon Recycles Remaining Stock of a Notorious Weapon
http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Napalm-Recycled.htm

[spursncowboys]

Napalm is a jellied gasoline and the modern day version is made up of polystyrene (46 parts), gasoline (33 parts) and benzene (21 parts).

[Winehole23]

Not sure about the legality of DU, but I assume it's not against the Geneva Conventions.That's my impression too, but actinides can have long lasting effects on human health. Ain't everything legal is good for you.