More good news about our education system

[Blake]

miami – nearly one-fourth of the students who try to join the u.s. Army fail its entrance exam, painting a grim picture of an education system that produces graduates who can't answer basic math, science and reading questions, according to a new study released tuesday.

The report by the education trust bolsters a growing worry among military and education leaders that the pool of young people qualified for military service will grow too small.

"too many of our high school students are not graduating ready to begin college or a career — and many are not eligible to serve in our armed forces," u.s. Education secretary arne duncan told the ap. "i am deeply troubled by the national security burden created by america's underperforming education system."

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101221/ap_on_re_us/us_military_exam

u.....s......a!

[boutons_deux]

weak in mind, and weak in body.

Something like 1/3 of enlistees are rejected due to excess weight, failing the physical.

[TeyshaBlue]

u.....s......a!

Our education produces what it is tasked to produce. When saddled with the insane notion that all children will succeed, and all children are bound for college, you get a population tasked to the bar set by least common denominators.
This aint rocket science, but are the results of the progressive educational grist (and I don't mean progressive in the classic "liberal" connotation) that has fed the professional educators for the last 20+ years. We are reaping, and have been now for over a decade, the sickly fruits of that initiative.
There were lots, if not the majority, of classroom teachers who were dumbfounded by this counterintuitive approach to education. I was one of them and that was one of the primary reasons I exited that profession after a decade.

[DarrinS]

We just haven't thrown enough money at the problem.

http://www.verdictforamerica.com/content/um-dog-ate-my-report-card





The 2009 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) recently published scores for 65 nations. These were based on uniform tests given to 15-year-old students. The United States scores tied for 26th place with Hungary by averaging 496. There were 21 nations that scored 500 or better, 33 nations that scored in the 400s, and 11 nations that scored in the 300s. Some may be glad that we are slightly better than average; . . . . but I beg to differ.



As discussed in Chapter 2: Education; the United States is spending at least $20,576 per student in elementary and secondary schools. I remind you that this is an average of all of the states with Idaho spending the least at $10,896 per student and the District of Columbia spending the most at $38,986 per student. These numbers are for the states alone; with the Federal government throwing in $1,917 to bring it all to the $20,576 total. I wonder what they are spending in other countries?



The U.S. Department of Education (ED) published a table of annual expenditures per student based on 2006 and came up with numbers that range from $1,286 per year for Turkey to $15,440 for Luxembourg. It should be noted that the United States admitted only to spending $10,267 per student; a claim that is patently untrue, which leads me to base the rest of my analysis on the premise that my calculation of $20,576 is correct due to the fact that all of the data is from official government records; and that the published data for other nations is assumed to be true.



The most populous nation in the world is China with a current estimate of 1 billion, 341 million people. China's education spending is not included in ED's data and I had to research a number of sites. The most accurate and reliable data I could find was on Wikipedia. In 2010 China spent $31.61 billion for approximately 250 million students; which computes to approximately $1,326.44 per student. This number may be slightly skewed based on the fact that it includes approximately 50 million pre-schoolers and 50 million "gifted" individuals who qualify for higher level education. This means that the actual money spent for elementary and secondary school students is probably lower than the overall average, but I will use that number for the illustration.



The PISA scores ranged from 368 for Peru to 577 for Shanghai, China. The second highest score for 15-year-olds was 546 from . . . . . Hong Kong, China. The third highest score was 544 from Finland, Singapore got 543, and Korea got 541. Allow me to make a little chart to explain a few things:



Nation PISA score Spending/Student Per Capita GNP
USA 496 $20,578 $33,070
China-Shanghai 577 $1,326 $865
China-Hong Kong 546 $1,326 $865
Finland 544 Unknown $23,550
Denmark 499 $6,713 $30,192
Australia 519 $3,981 $19,214
United Kingdom 500 $3,329 $24,487


Do you see a pattern? The correct answer is both "Yes" and "No" because there is no evidence of money spent having anything to do with the quality of education, but there is evidence that something else will improve the quality of the educational environment. In China the "something else" is the fact that the higher paying jobs are ONLY available to those who achieve the highest scores on their tests. The only alternative to poverty for the rest of your life is to score in the top 3 to 5 percent of your class. Fortunately; we have Australia and the U.K. as alternative examples that show students being stimulated by a premium learning environment. They have an almost carbon copy of what I propose in my book: Schools compete and parents are able to choose where they want their children to go. Bad statistics cause a school to go out of business. In the U.S.; bad statistics cause a school to demand more funding and the majority of our electorate feels guilty as sin voting against a school-funding proposition.



Wake up America!! We have everything we need to have the finest schools in the world. Our children can beat the test scores of children from China; but only if we give them a learning environment that stimulates them rather than interfering with their time on FaceBook and Twitter.


Just to keep things in perspective: We are importing approximately $272 billion in products from China in 2010. This means that we are giving every single person in China approximately $210 apiece. Every one of the 311 million Americans is sending about $875 to China. The per person GDP in China is $865. Every living American is providing full support for more than one citizen of the People's Republic of China.

[EVAY]

Our education produces what it is tasked to produce. When saddled with the insane notion that all children will succeed, and all children are bound for college, you get a population tasked to the bar set by least common denominators.
This aint rocket science, but are the results of the progressive educational grist (and I don't mean progressive in the classic "liberal" connotation) that has fed the professional educators for the last 20+ years. We are reaping, and have been now for over a decade, the sickly fruits of that initiative.
There were lots, if not the majority, of classroom teachers who were dumbfounded by this counterintuitive approach to education. I was one of them and that was one of the primary reasons I exited that profession after a decade.

:tu

Additionally, the abdication by American families of parental responsibilities for civilizing the next generation has so weakened the essential educational function of the classroom that neither education nor civilization is getting accomplished, either in the home or the classroom.

Teysha, I applaud your reasoning in departing the classroom. I'm afraid I did it because the pay was so awful that I realized that the service that I was providing to my community was much less valued than most anything else I could do with my talents.

So I went and did something that they valued.

[Drachen]

I agree with everything said here outside of the use of china as an example unless you are going to take the two best US cities and compare against Shanghai and HK.

[Parker2112]

Why would the upper echelon want any other result?

A dummed-down workforce is easier to manage/control/feed lies to/take to war/send to war/tax under the table/dupe/grope/force to shoulder business losses of the ultra-wealthy/scam out of their retirements, savings, investments/rob of their fundamental liberties/take nude pics of. :lol


:cry

[DarrinS]

Additionally, the abdication by American families of parental responsibilities for civilizing the next generation has so weakened the essential educational function of the classroom that neither education nor civilization is getting accomplished, either in the home or the classroom.



Completely agree with this, but why do you think this has happened?

[TeyshaBlue]

Why would the upper echelon want any other result?

A dummed-down workforce is easier to manage/control/feed lies to/take to war/send to war/tax under the table/dupe/grope/force to shoulder business losses of the ultra-wealthy/scam out of their retirements, savings, investments/rob of their fundamental liberties/take nude pics of. :lol


:cry

No...not really.

[Wild Cobra]

Why would the upper echelon want any other result?

A dummed-down workforce is easier to manage/control/feed lies to/take to war/send to war/tax under the table/dupe/grope/force to shoulder business losses of the ultra-wealthy/scam out of their retirements, savings, investments/rob of their fundamental liberties/take nude pics of. :lol


:cry
That's why I often refer to most colleges and a "University of Indoctrination."

[TeyshaBlue]

That's why I often refer to most colleges and a "University of Indoctrination."

And quite often you're wrong for doing so.
Varied and differing viewpoints are not exclusive tools of indoctrination.

[Wild Cobra]

And quite often you're wrong for doing so.
Varied and differing viewpoints are not exclusive tools of indoctrination.
It's indoctrination when agendas are taught in classes outside the agenda being taught.

[Wild Cobra]

How much we spend for schools is a regular topic here in Oregon. Time and again, the unions and liberals band together making real changes in the teaching system impossible. They keep saying "give us more money" and it never changes a damn thing. We have some of the worse schools in the nation, and the teachers are among the highest paid.

[Parker2112]

No...not really.

There are several generations now whose academic training is limited to choosing the correct answer only when it is put before their eyes.

No need to think for yourself...no need to question the answers provided. No room for deviation or individuality...conform or fail. If you haven't covered the material your told to, all is for not. And leave the politicians and religious fanatics to dictate the version of truth you get.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2010/09/california_lawmakers_have_just.html

[TeyshaBlue]

There are several generations now whose academic training is limited to choosing the correct answer only when it is put before their eyes.

No need to think for yourself...no need to question the answers provided. No room for deviation or individuality...conform or fail. If you haven't covered the material your told to, all is for not. And leave the politicians and religious fanatics to dictate the version of truth you get.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2010/09/california_lawmakers_have_just.html

Is that what that blog told you to think?
That viewpoint totally ignores what actually happens in a classroom. Newsflash: A decent teacher handles idiotic mandates like this by teaching process over content. I know you dont have any real expertise here, but you can at least try to parse a blog before you swallow it.

[Parker2112]

Is that what that blog told you to think?
Cmon man, I've been through the system myself. I know the difference between a quality education and the bubble-in-the circle-completely approach that gets passed off as education in most schools.


That viewpoint totally ignores what actually happens in a classroom. Newsflash: A decent teacher handles idiotic mandates like this by teaching process over content. I know you dont have any real expertise here, but you can at least try to parse a blog before you swallow it.

I am not experienced when it comes to teaching, but lets just say I have sat before tons of shitty public school teachers (over twelve years in public schools, I can count the great ones on one hand), and some of the most brilliant minds you would ever want to meet. And any approach that relies exclusively on multiple choice exams is a less than half-assed approach that leads to dumbed down kids.

And I dont give a damn what you try to get across to the kids, if the only accountability comes on the tail end of a scantron, you didn't do the kids justice.

If the kids aren't thinking for themselves, they aren't being prepared sufficiently.

And yes, I think that this is by design.

[Parker2112]

Is that what that blog told you to think?
That viewpoint totally ignores what actually happens in a classroom. Newsflash: A decent teacher handles idiotic mandates like this by teaching process over content. I know you dont have any real expertise here, but you can at least try to parse a blog before you swallow it.

that blog references the Texan approach to public education. And how CA is fighting the effects. Did you even read it? Its only a few paragraphs long.

[TeyshaBlue]

that blog references the Texan approach to public education. And how CA is fighting the effects. Did you even read it? Its only a few paragraphs long.

Ill catch up with you tomorrow on this. Bedtime for Bonzo at my house.:toast

[scott]

We have some of the worse schools in the nation

Obviously.

[Wild Cobra]

Obviously.
LOL...

Good turn around. However, I went to a good one in my time, graduated in the 70's before the formation of the Department of (un)Education.

I don't think kids today get as good of an education that I had by the 9th grade.

[TeyshaBlue]

Cmon man, I've been through the system myself. I know the difference between a quality education and the bubble-in-the circle-completely approach that gets passed off as education in most schools.
Do you now? Please, let's hear the differences as you perceive them.



I am not experienced when it comes to teaching, but lets just say I have sat before tons of shitty public school teachers (over twelve years in public schools, I can count the great ones on one hand), and some of the most brilliant minds you would ever want to meet. And any approach that relies exclusively on multiple choice exams is a less than half-assed approach that leads to dumbed down kids.
And I dont give a damn what you try to get across to the kids, if the only accountability comes on the tail end of a scantron, you didn't do the kids justice.

If the kids aren't thinking for themselves, they aren't being prepared sufficiently.

And yes, I think that this is by design.
I totally agree. When the test is the ultimate metric, it become the de facto curriculum. I disagree with your summation that it doesn't matter what you try to teach kids vs. accountability. IMO, in that instance, it becomes more important to teach processes, because the test/curriculum sure as hell won't.
And by teaching processes, I mean what process did they undertake to reveal an answer aka teaching a kid to think. I still think this is being done, but with only so many minutes in a class, it definitely takes a back seat to the test.

Of course it's by design. I don't believe, however, that there is a cabal of uber powerful pulling the strings.

[TeyshaBlue]

that blog references the Texan approach to public education. And how CA is fighting the effects. Did you even read it? Its only a few paragraphs long.

That is most definitely not the Texan approach to public education. It is the last gasp of a rapidly vanishing ultra conservative majority on the textbook committee. Also, this is not the first time this has happened. It was quite common to teach outside...sometimes waaay outside the textbooks that the committee strapped us with. Seriously. Any teacher worth their salt addressed deficiencies in the textbooks they were using...quite often with materials produced by the TEA resource extension officies.:lol California is legislating an answer to a problem that already has an answer. But, they're known for that.:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

It's indoctrination when agendas are taught in classes outside the agenda being taught.

Examples?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Examples?

it's an indoctrinated person complaining about the educational system indoctrinating people.

classic!

[Parker2112]

That is most definitely not the Texan approach to public education. It is the last gasp of a rapidly vanishing ultra conservative majority on the textbook committee. Also, this is not the first time this has happened. It was quite common to teach outside...sometimes waaay outside the textbooks that the committee strapped us with. Seriously. Any teacher worth their salt addressed deficiencies in the textbooks they were using...quite often with materials produced by the TEA resource extension officies.:lol California is legislating an answer to a problem that already has an answer. But, they're known for that.:lol

Thats a quality take in your area of expertise. Thanks :tu

[Parker2112]

Of course it's by design. I don't believe, however, that there is a cabal of uber powerful pulling the strings.

Its not as sinister as whispering evil things in the presidents/governors/legislators ear...it is more subtle policy decisions with an eye toward a more "uniformly competent" general public. And eveyone knows policy can be easily influenced on any level $$$$.

[MannyIsGod]

I've usually got no problem with unions. The 2 main examples where unions piss me off are the AMA and Teachers unions. I don't mind teachers getting theirs and fighting for theirs, but they are not counterbalanced by anyone looking out for the students best interests. You have the government trying to save money, teachers trying to make money and get job security, and the children are left with whatever outcome the two have in mind.

[EVAY]

Completely agree with this, but why do you think this has happened?

I have to be careful here because lots of folks on this forum think I'm a raving liberal and others think I'm a radical conservative, and it is because of what I think about issues like this that confuses folks.

What I think, Darrin, is that the abdication is an unintended consequence of people honestly trying very hard to bring more equal educational opportunities to more and more kids at younger and younger ages. And I think that that is a worthy objective for our society. Having said that, however, I think that some genuinely mis-guided principles became driving forces throughout the curricula of education - training programs (by this I mean the curricula that went in to teaching college-aged kids how to become teachers).

I think that at least one if not two generations of teachers were produced that were/are hard-working, well-intentioned, and mis-guided. I believe that they reflected the community values that said "Let my children be exposed to whatever everybody else's children are exposed to, whether they are ready for it or not", and simultaneously "let's make sure that no child's educational experience is a negative one because I don't know how to handle a kid who can't keep up". Remember that I am saying that the teachers are reflecting community values; the teachers are not creating the values.

Societally, we Americans fail miserably at passing on our own civilization to the next generation. We don't teach people to be parents, so we look to schools to parent for us. Then we don't want schools doing anything "to our children" that is the "prerogative" of parents. The result is that our kids grow up in a "least common denominator" milieu where going along with the most popular issues on television or mass media is what passes for learning society's norms.

My son started school in the early 80's (I'm very old), and I went to the local public school to see what they were offering. I asked the principal, "How do you handle values?", and his answer was that "We don't." He didn't even realize that his answer was a value statement.

My kid went to a religious private school. And he went to a rigorous high school and college. I was willing to pay for what I knew I wanted to help me in how I raised my child. But most Americans don't know, or don't even think about, what they want their child to learn. And our schools are doing the best they can. It is not good enough, though.

[Nbadan]

Obviously.

:lmao

Now that's a quality 9th grade education

[Nbadan]

Our education produces what it is tasked to produce. When saddled with the insane notion that all children will succeed, and all children are bound for college, you get a population tasked to the bar set by least common denominators.

I don't know that the LCD set the bar, but they certainly influence the bar...about 60-70% of Texas students are adequately prepared for college but they aren't the ones that make noise and grab headlines..

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't know that the LCD set the bar, but they certainly influence the bar...about 60-70% of Texas students are adequately prepared for college but they aren't the ones that make noise and grab headlines..

Frankly, I'd be surprised if the figure hit 70% in any demographic.

[Nbadan]

:tu

Additionally, the abdication by American families of parental responsibilities for civilizing the next generation has so weakened the essential educational function of the classroom that neither education nor civilization is getting accomplished, either in the home or the classroom.

Teysha, I applaud your reasoning in departing the classroom. I'm afraid I did it because the pay was so awful that I realized that the service that I was providing to my community was much less valued than most anything else I could do with my talents.

So I went and did something that they valued.


I don't know what could be more valuable to society than passing on knowledge....I agree that the job of teaching values, especially the value of hard work, dedication, empathy, and love have shifted to classroom teachers and administrators...

[Nbadan]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if the figure hit 70% in any demographic.

Tx has made some good changes, and they are really on the right track with Starr.....but shifting the bar up again isn't going to happen overnight...I dare the wingnuts who think our education system is watered down to go take a Algebra 2 or Pre-Cal test that Seniors take today....it isn't easy...

[DarrinS]

I have to be careful here because lots of folks on this forum think I'm a raving liberal and others think I'm a radical conservative, and it is because of what I think about issues like this that confuses folks.

What I think, Darrin, is that the abdication is an unintended consequence of people honestly trying very hard to bring more equal educational opportunities to more and more kids at younger and younger ages. And I think that that is a worthy objective for our society. Having said that, however, I think that some genuinely mis-guided principles became driving forces throughout the curricula of education - training programs (by this I mean the curricula that went in to teaching college-aged kids how to become teachers).

I think that at least one if not two generations of teachers were produced that were/are hard-working, well-intentioned, and mis-guided. I believe that they reflected the community values that said "Let my children be exposed to whatever everybody else's children are exposed to, whether they are ready for it or not", and simultaneously "let's make sure that no child's educational experience is a negative one because I don't know how to handle a kid who can't keep up". Remember that I am saying that the teachers are reflecting community values; the teachers are not creating the values.

Societally, we Americans fail miserably at passing on our own civilization to the next generation. We don't teach people to be parents, so we look to schools to parent for us. Then we don't want schools doing anything "to our children" that is the "prerogative" of parents. The result is that our kids grow up in a "least common denominator" milieu where going along with the most popular issues on television or mass media is what passes for learning society's norms.

My son started school in the early 80's (I'm very old), and I went to the local public school to see what they were offering. I asked the principal, "How do you handle values?", and his answer was that "We don't." He didn't even realize that his answer was a value statement.

My kid went to a religious private school. And he went to a rigorous high school and college. I was willing to pay for what I knew I wanted to help me in how I raised my child. But most Americans don't know, or don't even think about, what they want their child to learn. And our schools are doing the best they can. It is not good enough, though.



I agree with a lot of the points you bring up, especially the part about Americans failing miserably at passing on American values.

[Nbadan]

I've usually got no problem with unions. The 2 main examples where unions piss me off are the AMA and Teachers unions. I don't mind teachers getting theirs and fighting for theirs, but they are not counterbalanced by anyone looking out for the students best interests. You have the government trying to save money, teachers trying to make money and get job security, and the children are left with whatever outcome the two have in mind.

Parents look out for the student's best interest, but so do Administrators and many teachers....most teachers could care less about the Unions they belong to, although it's certainly nice to have a union looking out for your best interest.

[Nbadan]

Frankly, I'd be surprised if the figure hit 70% in any demographic.

Depends on which bar you are looking at....only about 70% of kids have a interest of going to college at all, most of the others want to go into a professional vocation, nothing wrong with that..

[Nbadan]

but they are not counterbalanced by anyone looking out for the students best interests

In many ways, looking out for the students 'best interest is what is hurting our education system...we need to recognize that kids have particular strengths and weaknesses through every stage of their development and just because a kid fails a TAKS test is not the end of the world...kids mature at different rates and standardized testing says, 'your not good enough if your not at this stage of development by this grade'. shameful.

[TeyshaBlue]

Tx has made some good changes, and they are really on the right track with Starr.....but shifting the bar up again isn't going to happen overnight...I dare the wingnuts who think our education system is watered down to go take a Algebra 2 or Pre-Cal test that Seniors take today....it isn't easy...

You know it's odd, but one of the purest reform attempts in Tx was House Bill 72. People always drill into the No Pass No Play elements of that bill, but that was one of the smaller parts.

It's about time for another reform initiative with the scope and range that one had.

[TeyshaBlue]

Depends on which bar you are looking at....only about 70% of kids have a interest of going to college at all, most of the others want to go into a professional vocation, nothing wrong with that..

I've got a son who will be going the vocational route as a mechanic. Fortunately, our local school system has an unbelievably good vocational system with absolute top rate facilities. If he applies himself, he could graduate with ASE certification.

[MannyIsGod]

Parents look out for the student's best interest, but so do Administrators and many teachers....most teachers could care less about the Unions they belong to, although it's certainly nice to have a union looking out for your best interest.

Parents do a horrible job of looking out for their children's interests and quite frankly I don't know why a parents is expected to be an education specialist. As for teachers and administrators looking out for the children, there is a fundamental conflict of interest there. I know that many teachers and admins do care and go out of their way for students and that is admirable, but it should not be what we fall back on as a society.

[MannyIsGod]

I've got a son who will be going the vocational route as a mechanic. Fortunately, our local school system has an unbelievably good vocational system with absolute top rate facilities. If he applies himself, he could graduate with ASE certification.

And he's likely to make far more money than people who go to college and get some of the more useless degrees available.

:tu

[Blake]

And he's likely to make far more money than people who go to college and get some of the more useless degrees available.

:tu

add to that the loans some of those people took out to get some of the more useless degrees.

[Nbadan]

Parents do a horrible job of looking out for their children's interests and quite frankly I don't know why a parents is expected to be an education specialist.

Parents don't have to be education specialists, however, since their son or daughter is getting a free education, or one at a reduced price, its up to the parents to hold the school accountable if it is not meeting at least the minimum necessary requirements that the kids need to be successful in college or vocational school... too many parents think it is the responsibility of schools to raise their kids for them and they can just wipe their hands of discipline and behavior issues once they get the kid registered in kinder...

[Nbadan]

I agree with a lot of the points you bring up, especially the part about Americans failing miserably at passing on American values.

:lol

Yep, those Americans passing on Euro standards? What are they thinking?

[Nbadan]

As for teachers and administrators looking out for the children, there is a fundamental conflict of interest there

Teachers are told what to teach, how they teach it is what makes them a quality teacher or not, but most teachers, especially those in TAKS grades, have zero say about what goes into the curriculum, or what core instruction is covered in their class...everyone must follow the same TEKS....

[johnsmith]

This thread is perfect for this forum. There are so many experts in here that have never actually accomplished or done anything and have been "career students" that they will certainly make this into a classic thread just based on their expertise..........I'm looking at you Manny and Randomguy.

[Nbadan]

This thread is perfect for this forum. There are so many experts in here that have never actually accomplished or done anything and have been "career students" that they will certainly make this into a classic thread just based on their expertise..........I'm looking at you Manny and Randomguy.

Can't vouch for Manny, but RG is a loss specialist for a insurance company, or an accountant, or something like that...

[MannyIsGod]

Nevermind :toast

Nice job, JS :tu

[MannyIsGod]

Parents don't have to be education specialists, however, since their son or daughter is getting a free education, or one at a reduced price, its up to the parents to hold the school accountable if it is not meeting at least the minimum necessary requirements that the kids need to be successful in college or vocational school... too many parents think it is the responsibility of schools to raise their kids for them and they can just wipe their hands of discipline and behavior issues once they get the kid registered in kinder...

I agree Parents should do more. They just don't.

[Nbadan]

I agree Parents should do more. They just don't.

I'm all for sending kids and parents to behavior improvement and parenting classes, and if they don't go, fine the parents...

[johnsmith]

Nevermind :toast

Nice job, JS :tu

My post was uncalled for and rude. I'm sorry. For the record, I read every post you make because while I disagree with pretty much every single thing you post on this forum, I at least appreciate your opinion and actually value it a bit.

Seriously, sorry about that.



However, RG, I can't stand his shit......he brings nothing to the table but arrogance........imho.

[DJ Mbenga]

reform is needed because we all know you can keep doing the same thing with less. its not going to become do more with more with the incoming congress and tea slashers. even the la mayor has attacked unions already. you know things gotta change if the democrat is criticizing unions.

[jacobdrj]

WOW






The military has an entrance exam?

[CosmicCowboy]

The problem isn't the education system it's the suck ass students.

It's a cultural problem. The "every kid is a winner" philosophy and social promotion has ruined the last two generations. Any kid that wants to work hard and study can still get a world class education. The problem is that about 98% 0f them would rather play video games and fuck off. The 2% are socially ostracized because "achieving and winning" is such an outdated and old fashioned concept.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The problem isn't the education system it's the suck ass students.

It's a cultural problem. The "every kid is a winner" philosophy and social promotion has ruined the last two generations. Any kid that wants to work hard and study can still get a world class education. The problem is that about 98% 0f them would rather play video games and fuck off. The 2% are socially ostracized because "achieving and winning" is such an outdated and old fashioned concept.

your so full oh shit... did you sleep at a Holiday Inn last night?:lmao

[BlairForceDejuan]

Why would the upper echelon want any other result?

A dummed-down workforce is easier to manage/control/feed lies to/take to war/send to war/tax under the table/dupe/grope/force to shoulder business losses of the ultra-wealthy/scam out of their retirements, savings, investments/rob of their fundamental liberties/take nude pics of. :lol


:cry

While true, the upper echelon is not forcing these idiots to have multiple kids with no means whatsoever.

[Blake]

The problem isn't the education system it's the suck ass students.

The problem is that about 98% 0f them would rather play video games and fuck off. The 2% are socially ostracized because "achieving and winning" is such an outdated and old fashioned concept.

That and Ive seen many parents allow those kids to play games and fuck off. Kids like these are given everything they could possibly want or need for doing practically nothing.

I think another part of the problem is that the schools put pressure on teachers to pass kids on through the system whether they deserve it or not.

No real incentives.