Are Republicans fuming...

[fraga]

I mean since "Berry" has now been able to pass...the repeal of Don't ask Don't tell...the 9/11 First Responders Fund...and that nuclear Treaty...all in the Lame Duck session...how frustrating must that be...I wonder if that's why he conceded to extend those damn tax cuts for the super rich...was he secretly making deals to get these passed...if so...good show old man...good show...

[boutons_deux]

Magic Negro's and the Dem's Congress has been one of the most productive in a few decades. aka, "progress".

Even with smash-mouth, nihilistic, punitive Repug obstructionism, and DINOs voting against, MN, Nancy, Harry have accomplished a hell of a lot, not that I agree with all the compromises.

When the Repugs get more power and House committees control, full constipation, aka, regress. They will certainly do nothing to improve the country, esp not with housing, financial crimes (killed in committee) and unemployment.

[Wild Cobra]

It will bit democrats in 4 years, and the RINO's that went along with them.

[Crookshanks]

Yeah - I'll admit it - I'm furious! The November election was a repudiation of Obama, Pelosi and Reid and their policies. They should've just adjourned and gone home - but instead they're ramming through all these unpopular bills. But they'll pay the price for it down the road because the people are NOT happy about it!

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah - I'll admit it - I'm furious! The November election was a repudiation of Obama, Pelosi and Reid and their policies. They should've just adjourned and gone home - but instead they're ramming through all these unpopular bills. But they'll pay the price for it down the road because the people are NOT happy about it!

Repealing Don't ask don't tell is popular. The 9/11 responder bill is popular. The START treaty is popular.

What unpopular bills are the ramming through?

[Wild Cobra]

Repealing Don't ask don't tell is popular. The 9/11 responder bill is popular. The START treaty is popular.

What unpopular bills are the ramming through?
Popular to the ignorant ones.

I guess I'm glad in a way these passed. Just one more thing that in the future, will bear out just how fucking wrong the liberal agenda is.

[ChumpDumper]

What exactly is wrong with these bills?

[baseline bum]

Repealing Don't ask don't tell is popular. The 9/11 responder bill is popular. The START treaty is popular.

What unpopular bills are the ramming through?

Tax cuts for the rich

[baseline bum]

LOL @ Libertarian WildCobra and his hatred of civil rights.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL @ Libertarian WildCobra and his hatred of civil rights.
Like I stated in the past. You have shared quarters, showers, etc. This is the same as forcing men and women to share the quarters, showers, etc. To be equal, that must be done.

Why isn't it?

[ChumpDumper]

WC, why do you think you are so attractive to homosexual servicemen?

[baseline bum]

Like I stated in the past. You have shared quarters, showers, etc. This is the same as forcing men and women to share the quarters, showers, etc. To be equal, that must be done.

Why isn't it?

So jr high and high school boys & girls should shower together after PE class then? Or gay kids should be barred from the class? Which one?

[BlairForceDejuan]

Trained for war, but scared of getting raped in the barracks. What a shame.

[fraga]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ehtYejeKDkQ/TMSPPFUkGvI/AAAAAAAADA0/IC0pT7e4VkI/s400/obamasmokingjoint.jpg

[Nbadan]

Extending the Bush tax cuts is just like passing another stimulus package....unfunded of course....

[MannyIsGod]

Dumbest fucking argument ever. Under DADT gay servicemen and women showered with the same people.

[Nbadan]

Dumbest fucking argument ever. Under DADT gay servicemen and women showered with the same people.

...but now they are openly gay, and looking at your wee wee

[spursncowboys]

FTR Obama's people, Summers and the VP among others, said if they didn't extend the tax cuts then they feared we would enter into a double dip recession.

[BlairForceDejuan]

DADT is a non-issue just like abortion that america loves to focus on because no one wants to even address the issues that actually matter.

[spursncowboys]

BFD, that is why we need to go back to the way our founding father's set up the congress, with the house worrying about hot button issues that are sexy for elections and let the senate worry about their state's interests.

[DJ Mbenga]

the tea party freshmen coming in are the likely angry ones. they only come in with one agenda, deny anything that doesnt reduce the deficit, without cutting anything.

[Stringer_Bell]

DADT is a non-issue just like abortion that america loves to focus on because no one wants to even address the issues that actually matter.

Ermmm, actually those are the most important issues to the sheeple of the United States of America. WE (collectively) are values voters...if a dude loves God and American business profits and hates gays, abortion, and international cooperation to solve problems - he or she has 35/40% of the vote and just needs to slam the other candidate during Prime Time TV commercials for the other 10-15% in a general election.

Nothing is more important than abortion, gay integration, and terrorists. NOTHING.

[fraga]

http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2010/12/ObamaBoehner.jpg

[johnsmith]

Nah, I'm fine with it.

[jacobdrj]

Like I stated in the past. You have shared quarters, showers, etc. This is the same as forcing men and women to share the quarters, showers, etc. To be equal, that must be done.

Why isn't it?

We are still about 100 years away from that one. But that day will come.

[George Gervin's Afro]

memo to the brain dead idiots.. there are gay people in the military now taking showers with other dudes..


sincerely,

gay guy in the military..


BOO!

[Crookshanks]

Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START
U.S. Naval Institute - December 23, 2010

President Barack Obama was outmaneuvered by the Russians and should have abandoned the New START negotiations instead of seeking a political victory, says former nuclear plans monitor Vice Admiral Jerry Miller, USN (Ret).

“The Obama administration is continuing a dated policy in which we cannot even unilaterally reduce our own inventory of weapons and delivery systems without being on parity with the Russians,” Miller told the U.S. Naval Institute in Annapolis, Md. “We could give up plenty of deployed delivery systems and not adversely affect our national security one bit, but New START prohibits such action - so we are now stuck with some outmoded and useless elements in our nuke force.”

After meeting resistance from several Republicans, the U.S. Senate ratified the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia by a vote of 71-26 on Wednesday.

“The Soviets/Russians were done in by Reagan and our missile defense program because they cannot afford to build such a system,” said Miller. “They instead try to counter our program with rhetoric at the bargaining table. And they won by outmaneuvering Obama. START plays right into their hands.”

Former President Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) is often credited with bankrupting the U.S.S.R. because the Soviets were unable to keep pace with the technology being developed by the United States.

“We have always been superior in quality of our nuclear force, so we did not have to negotiate with a party we do not trust,” said Miller. “If Obama wanted to save some money and improve national defense, he should have gotten out of the nuke negations and acted unilaterally. START is simply a political victory for Obama.”

Miller, who helped prepare the National Strategic Target List and Single Integrated Operational Plan for waging nuclear war and later participated in arms control meetings with the Soviet government, expressed concern that START could leave the United States vulnerable to other emerging threats.

“The treaty prohibits the conversion of an existing ballistic missile system into a missile defense system,” said Miller. “We might want to do that with a Trident or an ICBM sometime in the future, particularly if the Chinese alleged threat materializes.”

[DarrinS]

DADT was dumb to begin with.

9/11 responders bill just exists to villify anyone who dares oppose it.

Nuclear arms race with the Russians hasn't been an issue for well over 20 years.


Fuming?

:sleep

[CosmicCowboy]

Repealing Don't ask don't tell is popular. The 9/11 responder bill is popular. The START treaty is popular.

What unpopular bills are the ramming through?

Agreed. I could care less about faggots in the military. Agreeing to give 9/11 responders free life time health care is a lot better than writing them multi-million dollar checks "just because". I'm OK with passing the START treaty. We will still have a shitload of nukes.

[johnsmith]

memo to the brain dead idiots.. there are gay people in the military now taking showers with other dudes..


sincerely,

gay guy in the military..


BOO!

I didn't know you are in the military.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I didn't know you are in the military.

I'm not in the military..you're not insuating that since I haven't served in the military that there haven't been gays serving in the miltary?

[Blake]

I'm not in the military..you're not insuating that since I haven't served in the military that there haven't been gays serving in the miltary?


you signed off as "gay guy in military"

:lol

[CosmicCowboy]

you signed off as "gay guy in military"

:lol

He's in the gay militia.

[johnsmith]

I'm not in the military..you're not insuating that since I haven't served in the military that there haven't been gays serving in the miltary?

:rolleyes Yep, that's exactly what I was getting at. I couldn't possibly have been making fun of you for signing, gay guy in the military.

[Crookshanks]

Speaking of gays in the military - I just found out that one of the men at the forefront of this debate is a guy I knew back when I lived in San Antonio. I was shocked because I never knew he was gay.

[Stringer_Bell]

Speaking of gays in the military - I just found out that one of the men at the forefront of this debate is a guy I knew back when I lived in San Antonio. I was shocked because I never knew he was gay.

A man chooses to have another man as his sexual partner...and you're shocked? :wow

George Michael being gay, now that's a shocker.

[Crookshanks]

I'm shocked because when I knew him, he dated women.

[ChumpDumper]

Speaking of gays in the military - I just found out that one of the men at the forefront of this debate is a guy I knew back when I lived in San Antonio. I was shocked because I never knew he was gay.You mean he didn't tell you?

Wow.

[ploto]

Are Republicans fuming?

Democrats should be fuming that they did not take care of these things long before the election.

[Wild Cobra]

memo to the brain dead idiots.. there are gay people in the military now taking showers with other dudes..


sincerely,

gay guy in the military..


BOO!

You miss the point. Others don't know, they aren't open. One big can of worms this will open up is a homophobes will clubber gays in the shower, claiming he got frisky. Or... gays might actually get frisky, get clobbered, and say it was a hate crime. As for the showering, some people get very disgusted at the though of someone sizing them up, feel violated like a naked women would in the mens shower. The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.

You have no such choice in the military!

[ploto]

I'm shocked because when I knew him, he dated women.

Wow, I have never known a gay man who once dated women.

[Wild Cobra]

Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START
U.S. Naval Institute - December 23, 2010

President Barack Obama was outmaneuvered by the Russians and should have abandoned the New START negotiations instead of seeking a political victory, says former nuclear plans monitor Vice Admiral Jerry Miller, USN (Ret).

“The Obama administration is continuing a dated policy in which we cannot even unilaterally reduce our own inventory of weapons and delivery systems without being on parity with the Russians,” Miller told the U.S. Naval Institute in Annapolis, Md. “We could give up plenty of deployed delivery systems and not adversely affect our national security one bit, but New START prohibits such action - so we are now stuck with some outmoded and useless elements in our nuke force.”

After meeting resistance from several Republicans, the U.S. Senate ratified the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with Russia by a vote of 71-26 on Wednesday.

“The Soviets/Russians were done in by Reagan and our missile defense program because they cannot afford to build such a system,” said Miller. “They instead try to counter our program with rhetoric at the bargaining table. And they won by outmaneuvering Obama. START plays right into their hands.”

Former President Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) is often credited with bankrupting the U.S.S.R. because the Soviets were unable to keep pace with the technology being developed by the United States.

“We have always been superior in quality of our nuclear force, so we did not have to negotiate with a party we do not trust,” said Miller. “If Obama wanted to save some money and improve national defense, he should have gotten out of the nuke negations and acted unilaterally. START is simply a political victory for Obama.”

Miller, who helped prepare the National Strategic Target List and Single Integrated Operational Plan for waging nuclear war and later participated in arms control meetings with the Soviet government, expressed concern that START could leave the United States vulnerable to other emerging threats.

“The treaty prohibits the conversion of an existing ballistic missile system into a missile defense system,” said Miller. “We might want to do that with a Trident or an ICBM sometime in the future, particularly if the Chinese alleged threat materializes.”
May as well give the Russians the keys to our nation.

[ploto]

The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.

Where did you go to school that you have no mandatory PE after you hit puberty??

[Wild Cobra]

Where did you go to school that you have no mandatory PE after you hit puberty??
Puberty is an ongoing process, and maybe the times are different, but few people start getting interested in sex until about 15. I believe that has accelerated with peer pressure, media, etc. Kids think they are suppose to be interested in sex. When they still think girls are gross, the go gay! Just a theory, but it would explain the growing trend.

[clambake]

Puberty is an ongoing process, and maybe the times are different, but few people start getting interested in sex until about 15. I believe that has accelerated with peer pressure, media, etc. Kids think they are suppose to be interested in sex. When they still think girls are gross, the go gay! Just a theory, but it would explain the growing trend.

welcome to 1950.

[ChumpDumper]

WC thinks gays will join the military exclusively to cruise straight guys in the shower.

Why are male opponents of this bill obsessed with the idea of being raped in a group shower? Do they really consider themselves to be that irresistible to homosexuals?

[ChumpDumper]

Puberty is an ongoing process, and maybe the times are different, but few people start getting interested in sex until about 15. I believe that has accelerated with peer pressure, media, etc. Kids think they are suppose to be interested in sex. When they still think girls are gross, the go gay! Just a theory, but it would explain the growing trend.So much facepalm in one post....

[clambake]

worried about being laughed at.

[Blake]

You miss the point. Others don't know, they aren't open. One big can of worms this will open up is a homophobes will clubber gays in the shower, claiming he got frisky. Or... gays might actually get frisky, get clobbered, and say it was a hate crime. As for the showering, some people get very disgusted at the though of someone sizing them up, feel violated like a naked women would in the mens shower. The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.

You have no such choice in the military!

sounds more like prison that the military.

what happens if a straight woman drops the soap in a lesbian filled shower?

[ChumpDumper]

I think WC would be disappointed if a gay man didn't rape him in the shower.

[spursncowboys]

So no one is upset about breaking word and not giving 48 hours before voting on a bill? Is anyone else wondering, besides not increasing taxes, why none of this focuses on economic growth and job creation?

[spursncowboys]

My niece and nephew went to schools in NISD and NEISD and one of their elementary schools they had pe on alternate days. I think it was near UTSA.

[ChumpDumper]

So no one is upset about breaking word and not giving 48 hours before voting on a bill?No. That was always a red herring.


Is anyone else wondering, besides not increasing taxes, why none of this focuses on economic growth and job creation?You mean why is there not more socialism and government intervention in the free market?

You tell us.

[Wild Cobra]

So no one is upset about breaking word and not giving 48 hours before voting on a bill? Is anyone else wondering, besides not increasing taxes, why none of this focuses on economic growth and job creation?
How can we be upset over something they proved they wouldn't keep long ago?

They have no integrity. We know that, why push the issue? The libtards you are tying to rile up just pat themselves on the back as to how good their corruption works. They see themselves at winners for playing a sham.

[spursncowboys]

No, they justify it by saying it is for a good cause and then try and point out the bad of the other party.

[Crookshanks]

I'm disgusted by the whole lot of them! Everything is going up - except my pay; and I know there are millions of others just like me. And what about all the millions who are unemployed. And instead of concentrating on things that will help the economy, they waste their time on legislation to help the illegals, the gays and the Russians. So they pat themselves on the back and head off on their wonderful Christmas holiday - while millions of Americans will have nothing for Christmas. And they wonder why Congress' approval rating is in the toilet.

[Drachen]

I'm disgusted by the whole lot of them! Everything is going up - except my pay; and I know there are millions of others just like me. And what about all the millions who are unemployed. And instead of concentrating on things that will help the economy, they waste their time on legislation to help the illegals, the gays and the Russians. So they pat themselves on the back and head off on their wonderful Christmas holiday - while millions of Americans will have nothing for Christmas. And they wonder why Congress' approval rating is in the toilet.

I think that you would have been sicker if you heard the show they were doing on NPR the other night. They had the postal workers from a few cities in charge of the Santa Mail on, and were reading some of the letters. They said in years past the overwhelming amount of letters asked for IPODs, laptops, etc. This year the letters are all about "please bring me shoes", "for christmas, don't bring me anything, but could you please bring my sister a warm dress", "please help the economy", "a warm meal", and then there was this one "for christmas I don't want anything, but if you could bring mommy a smile, that would be great"

[Crookshanks]

I think that you would have been sicker if you heard the show they were doing on NPR the other night. They had the postal workers from a few cities in charge of the Santa Mail on, and were reading some of the letters. They said in years past the overwhelming amount of letters asked for IPODs, laptops, etc. This year the letters are all about "please bring me shoes", "for christmas, don't bring me anything, but could you please bring my sister a warm dress", "please help the economy", "a warm meal", and then there was this one "for christmas I don't want anything, but if you could bring mommy a smile, that would be great"

That is heartbreaking. :depressed Yesterday I went to my church's mission to get help paying my electric bill. The place was packed - and most of the people there were families with young children. It was a very depressing sight.

[Wild Cobra]

I think that you would have been sicker if you heard the show they were doing on NPR the other night. They had the postal workers from a few cities in charge of the Santa Mail on, and were reading some of the letters. They said in years past the overwhelming amount of letters asked for IPODs, laptops, etc. This year the letters are all about "please bring me shoes", "for christmas, don't bring me anything, but could you please bring my sister a warm dress", "please help the economy", "a warm meal", and then there was this one "for christmas I don't want anything, but if you could bring mommy a smile, that would be great"
I'll bet there were letter like that every year.

Know what Cherry Picking is?

[DJ Mbenga]

http://mit.zenfs.com/100/2010/12/ObamaBoehner.jpg

Boehner: "son i am disappoint"

[LnGrrrR]

DADT was dumb to begin with.

9/11 responders bill just exists to villify anyone who dares oppose it.

Nuclear arms race with the Russians hasn't been an issue for well over 20 years.


Fuming?

:sleep

Well said.

[LnGrrrR]

You miss the point. Others don't know, they aren't open. One big can of worms this will open up is a homophobes will clubber gays in the shower, claiming he got frisky. Or... gays might actually get frisky, get clobbered, and say it was a hate crime. As for the showering, some people get very disgusted at the though of someone sizing them up, feel violated like a naked women would in the mens shower. The school example was used, but how PE isn't mandatory after such a grade level that approximately equates to puberty, and sexual awareness. It's not comparable, and students have a choice to take the electives or not.

You have no such choice in the military!

The same issues occurred when the military integrated races though, right? Whites will want to clobber blacks in the shower, etc etc...

WC, the business world is professional enough to handle gays working openly. Why do you think our service members aren't as professional?

As others have mentioned, straight men are showering with gay men now, so it makes no difference. Gay men don't have to come out if they feel threatened (though they shouldn't have to feel that way). ANd if a straight person is worried about it, he either a) keeps it to himself, b) gets counseling or c) gets out.

We wouldn't be too concerned about a person who had issues working with a different race or gender, would we?

[LnGrrrR]

May as well give the Russians the keys to our nation.

How many nukes do you think we need WC? Just wondering.

[Wild Cobra]

How many nukes do you think we need WC? Just wondering.
It only takes one that is properly placed.

[ChumpDumper]

It only takes one that is properly placed.Only one nuke would take out the entire US and its capacity to totally destroy Russia in retaliation?

I call bullshit.

[LnGrrrR]

It only takes one that is properly placed.

So you are saying that the US only needs one nuke?

[Wild Cobra]

So you are saying that the US only needs one nuke?
It depends on who the target nation is. N. Korea is the current hot spot, right?