Spurs Underdog Vs. Magic

[LegendaryFan44]

Tonite I make my regular visit to Orlando to see the Spurs Vs. the Magic..Spurs r 2.5 point UNDERDOGS...it figures a suspicious line..Spurs playing best in their history..Magic playing their worst..if the Spurs want real respect..WIN BY 30 GODDAMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rasho8]

Its probably because they are on a back to back halfway across the country.

[The_Worlds_finest]

-2.5 away is pretty decent vs magic. Are you expecting a blowout like heat/phx -6.5

[SpursDynasty85]

I agree. Spurs have to travel half-way around the world and play two tough teams on consecutive nights.

[ChuckD]

Betting lines have nothing to do with who will or will not win a given game. They are designed for one thing, and one thing only: to make the money come down even on both teams. If a bunch of tards who watch ESPN run out and bet on the Magic, they will give the Spurs more points to even the betting money.

[ElNono]

I agree. Spurs have to travel half-way around the world and play two tough teams on consecutive nights.

Geography is not your forte, is it?

[SpursDynasty85]

Betting lines have nothing to do with who will or will not win a given game. They are designed for one thing, and one thing only: to make the money come down even on both teams. If a bunch of tards who watch ESPN run out and bet on the Magic, they will give the Spurs more points to even the betting money.


I think your wrong. They set the numbers to make sure that it will be as tough a call as possible. Obviously if everyone is picking the magic to go over, then theirs probably something wrong with the initial prediction. Eventually it evens out to a tough call. Furthermore, The magic being favor by 1.5 - 2.5 points seem about right to me. Would anyone really bet their house on the spurs winning this game?

[SpursDynasty85]

Geography is not your forte, is it?


HAHA. good catch.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Geography is not your forte, is it?

detecting sarcasm and hyperbole seems to be yours though :wow

[ChuckD]

I think your wrong. They set the numbers to make sure that it will be as tough a call as possible. Obviously if everyone is picking the magic to go over, then theirs probably something wrong with the initial prediction. Eventually it evens out to a tough call. Furthermore, The magic being favor by 1.5 - 2.5 points seem about right to me. Would anyone really bet their house on the spurs winning this game?

Actually, no, I'm not. If the money is even, the losers essentially pay the winners, and the casino or book takes their percentage cut. Favoring one side or another could lead to a disasterous payout for them. That would be the casino essentially making a bet, something they never do because they could lose.

As for the bolded area, that's why lines change and fluctuate. Money goes down on one side, so they change the odds.

Also, why wouldn't we be favored? We're fucking kicking ass, and they just re-booted their team.

[in2deep]

Its probably because they are on a back to back halfway across the country.

what the hell were they thinking when they scheduled this????

Denver in San Antonio
next day Orlando
then back to San Antonio vs. Wizards

:bang

[galvatron3000]

Its probably because they are on a back to back halfway across the country.

Nah, it's because they are the Spurs. If the Spurs win 69 games and an championship they'd be consider the weakest NBA Champs to win 69 games instead of just being a great team. It's a Spurs thing. Get used to it. I am .

[galvatron3000]

Betting lines have nothing to do with who will or will not win a given game. They are designed for one thing, and one thing only: to make the money come down even on both teams. If a bunch of tards who watch ESPN run out and bet on the Magic, they will give the Spurs more points to even the betting money.

:lmao

[Spursfan101]

what the hell were they thinking when they scheduled this????

Denver in San Antonio
next day Orlando
then back to San Antonio vs. Wizards

:bang

Agreed. :toast

[Hoops Czar]

I agree. Spurs have to travel half-way around the world and play two tough teams on consecutive nights.

1,160 miles isn't even halfway across the U.S. Its significantly less than two hours by plane.

[rascal]

Actually, no, I'm not. If the money is even, the losers essentially pay the winners, and the casino or book takes their percentage cut. Favoring one side or another could lead to a disasterous payout for them. That would be the casino essentially making a bet, something they never do because they could lose.

As for the bolded area, that's why lines change and fluctuate. Money goes down on one side, so they change the odds.

Also, why wouldn't we be favored? We're fucking kicking ass, and they just re-booted their team.

Agree with you, the line is made with the highest probability of getting equal money bet on each team. It reflects how the public will bet and not so much on what is most likely to occur with the teams involved.

An equal amount of money put on each team guarantees the books win the % difference the losers pay out as compared to what the winners get.

[SpursDynasty85]

Agree with you, the line is made with the highest probability of getting equal money bet on each team. That way the books are guaranteed to win the % difference the losers pay out as compared to what the winners get.


Thats what im saying. The prediction of the game has to be accurate for this to happen or else people will start putting money on one team. It evens out to a more a more accurate prediction of the outcome on the game.

[SpursDynasty85]

what the hell were they thinking when they scheduled this????

Denver in San Antonio
next day Orlando
then back to San Antonio vs. Wizards

:bang



82 game season. over 30teams all course the U.S. Theres gonna be hiccups like this on every team.

[Thompson]

Geography is not your forte, is it?

He meant halfway around the [part of the world that matters], i.e. the U.S.

[rascal]

what the hell were they thinking when they scheduled this????

Denver in San Antonio
next day Orlando
then back to San Antonio vs. Wizards

:bang

All the teams have to deal with back and forth travel.

[Seventyniner]

Actually, no, I'm not. If the money is even, the losers essentially pay the winners, and the casino or book takes their percentage cut. Favoring one side or another could lead to a disasterous payout for them. That would be the casino essentially making a bet, something they never do because they could lose.

As for the bolded area, that's why lines change and fluctuate. Money goes down on one side, so they change the odds.

Also, why wouldn't we be favored? We're fucking kicking ass, and they just re-booted their team.

You're right about how betting changes the line, but the opening line reflects the Vegas experts' opinion of how the game will go. Therefore, they think the Spurs are a slight underdog.

[Gagnrath]

1,160 miles isn't even halfway across the U.S. Its significantly less than two hours by plane.

No a 747 is a fairly high cruise speed commercial jet and they are looking at around 560 mph cruising. When you add in flight patterns, ascent and decent times, taxi, and what not you are looking at a 3 hour flight even on a charter out of a municipal airport. I am not certain what the spurs are using as a charter this year but I'd assume something more economical and slower speed than a 747, a 727 or MD 80 customized for charters is more likely and will seat around 50 in a rather classy cabin with meal service and carry the teams cargo easily , you are looking at an economical criuse speed of around 490 and a 3 hour and 20 minute flight.

[Gagnrath]

As for the rest of the line, these two teams properly rested would be very competitive with each other and would probably give which ever team had home court a 2 point or so margin based on rosters. The magic's current loosing streak, and addition of the new people fresh is why the spurs on a back to back away are only down 3.5 even with them being as hot as they are.

[Hoops Czar]

No a 747 is a fairly high cruise speed commercial jet and they are looking at around 560 mph cruising. When you add in flight patterns, ascent and decent times, taxi, and what not you are looking at a 3 hour flight even on a charter out of a municipal airport. I am not certain what the spurs are using as a charter this year but I'd assume something more economical and slower speed than a 747, a 727 or MD 80 customized for charters is more likely and will seat around 50 in a rather classy cabin with meal service and carry the teams cargo easily , you are looking at an economical criuse speed of around 490 and a 3 hour and 20 minute flight.

Well, I was actually flying from SA to Orlando a year ago, and I was using the estimated time it took me to arrive which included Ascent and decent times. I could not tell you the type of plane other than it was Southwest airlines. In comparison, it took me 3hrs and 30 minutes to fly from Buffalo to San Fransisco. I have no clue what the Spurs are flying in but in no way shape or form should be too taxing. Anyhow, Jet lag is the major concern here. The spurs are most likely bused to and from the hotel.

[Hoops Czar]

im sorry but Stu jackson/stern and the schedule making crew always seems to have it in for us every season compared to the other elite teams. We always get these rotten schedules (none worse than 06-07 and 07-08) where we have all these one-game home stands and one-game road trips to the east or west coast and back. honestly that's fucktarded and the Lakers always seem to get the easiest schedule in the NBA by far every year and that is because of their intimate relationship with the nba administrators and commissioner(s). Disgusting.

I thought the schedule makers gave us a pretty darn easy schedule to start the season. Why is it always how the Spurs are getting screwed? The refs, Stern, the league office, analysts, and columnists all hate us. Everybody's out to get us.... Give me a break.

[Ditty]

these guys get paid millions to play ball tired or not, and from what I saw being at the game last night the big 3 were pretty much half assing it.

[tmtcsc]

Eh..I'm not on board with saying we are playing the best basketball in our history.

We have the best start in our history but the last 5 games or so could have gone either way. I'm not sure anyone in this forum would be surprised if we lost.

It's going to happen and then all hell will beak lose with doom sayers. What we have is an exciting, resilient team that refuses to lose. But the sometimes sloppy play is going to catch up with us one of these games. It actually needs to happen so that the appropriate attention can be made to improving. I think its human nature.

[TVI]

You're right about how betting changes the line, but the opening line reflects the Vegas experts' opinion of how the game will go. Therefore, they think the Spurs are a slight underdog.

I'm pretty sure ChuckD's right on this, as are you, in a way.

The opening line is set by a Vegas expert, but they don't give a rat's ass about the actual NBA, they only care about motivating people to make bets (for obvious reasons). The Spurs are underdogs because that's the way the line had to be set to get the money flowing.

The line will change towards the Spurs if the gamblers start betting on the Spurs with the current point spread the way it is, but these guys are experts in anticipating people's betting habits. If the money comes in evenly, the line won't change. If it's heavily flowing in one direction, then the line will move to start getting a more even flow.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I agree. Spurs have to travel half-way around the world and play two tough teams on consecutive nights.

+ 1.

I would not at all be surprised if the Magic win by 20 or more.
OTOH, I would be shocked if the Spurs somehow gut this out. They were supposed to land in Orlando around 5 a.m. . Tony and Manu did play a lot of minutes. It is a back to back game. They may not be as hungry because of their record and their second double digit game win streak.

This game has loss written all over it. I would be amazed if the Spurs could gut this one out.

:flag:

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Bullshit schedule here folks. Lakers facing a bunch of cupcake teams but yet they still lose.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Bullshit schedule here folks. Lakers facing a bunch of cupcake teams but yet they still lose.

yep.

and later on in this same stretch of games we play Dallas in Dallas and we play Boston in Boston on a back to back.

:flag:

[Gagnrath]

Well, I was actually flying from SA to Orlando a year ago, and I was using the estimated time it took me to arrive which included Ascent and decent times. I could not tell you the type of plane other than it was Southwest airlines. In comparison, it took me 3hrs and 30 minutes to fly from Buffalo to San Fransisco. I have no clue what the Spurs are flying in but in no way shape or form should be too taxing. Anyhow, Jet lag is the major concern here. The spurs are most likely bused to and from the hotel.

If you were on southwest you were with about 95% likelihood on a 737. Its about 500 miles further from Denver than San Antonio which is roughly one hour flight time. The 3.5 hours from Buffalo to San Fransisco isn't utterly impossible for most commercial jet liners, but to do that you are looking at an average flight speed of nearly 600 mph, you could fly that 100 times and will rarely be under 4 hours from the moment your wheels leave the ground till they touch again.

[dn0774]

2nd game of a back to back, i'm expecting tired legs tonight, the Spurs haven't looked sharp the last few games as it is...George Hills absence will likely be felt as well. Not to mention that Orlando is at home and desperately needs a win...

[Seventyniner]

I'm pretty sure ChuckD's right on this, as are you, in a way.

The opening line is set by a Vegas expert, but they don't give a rat's ass about the actual NBA, they only care about motivating people to make bets (for obvious reasons). The Spurs are underdogs because that's the way the line had to be set to get the money flowing.

The line will change towards the Spurs if the gamblers start betting on the Spurs with the current point spread the way it is, but these guys are experts in anticipating people's betting habits. If the money comes in evenly, the line won't change. If it's heavily flowing in one direction, then the line will move to start getting a more even flow.

If the Vegas experts don't care or do research, though, they might make every game a pick 'em and adjust the line accordingly; the problem is that some games would get a lot of betting on one side early, making it hard to balance things out.

For example, the Spurs should be a big favorite on Sunday at home against the Wizards, regardless of how tonight's game goes. If the opening line was Spurs -1, tons of people would bet on the Spurs, making it very difficult to get the money evened out before game time. Thus, the experts have every incentive to make the opening line such that the money starts roughly even, giving it a better chance of ending that way.

[Budkin]

Magic are going to be hungry tonight and are finally starting to play well.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Sorry you made a visit on the wrong day.......