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Nbadan
12-28-2010, 04:15 AM
Runaway hyper-inflation in 2011 and a gold run? Not Likely...

Partying Like It’s 1923: Or, The Weimar Temptation


The hyperinflation story is, after all, satisfying both intellectually and morally. A weak, spendthrift government can’t limit its spending to match its revenues; it loses the confidence of investors, so it has to print money to make up the difference; and too much money chasing too few goods leads to ever-higher inflation.

Economics teachers love this story; hey, I love it. It’s clear, it’s simple, you can walk through it on the blackboard, and yes, it really does happen. It’s a great set-piece, both for the textbook and for intro macro classes.

But there’s always the temptation to apply the story too widely. Partly this is the drunk-and-the-streetlight effect: you look for dropped keys where the light is brightest, even though that’s not actually where you dropped them. Partly it’s ideology: the hyperinflation story is a comfortable one for people who want to make government always the problem, never the solution.

And the remarkable thing is how many people are determined to Weimarize recent events, even though the actual experience of the past three years has been an object lesson in the fact that sometimes that framework just doesn’t fit. In late 2008 there was, maybe, an excuse for looking at the big rise in the monetary base and thinking that inflation was coming — although not if you had actually looked at Japanese experience. At this point, however, it’s just bizarre to use that obviously failed framework rather than the well-developed theory of the liquidity trap, which has sailed through recent events with flying colors.

But it keeps happening anyway. A few months back, in a dialogue in Korea with Niall Ferguson, I suggested a macroeconomic version of Godwin’s Law: the first person to bring up the Weimar hyperinflation is considered to have lost the debate. He was, um, not happy. And despite all the evidence, a lot of people are obviously determined to keep on partying like it’s 1923.

Krugman (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/partying-like-its-1923-or-the-weimar-temptation)

These conspiracy theories of runaway inflation have been around for many years and used at their convenience by both Conservatives and Liberals...in economics, I guess if you repeat something often enough eventually it will happen and you can think of yourself a genius...weren't the same things said when the fed monotized the debt when we were $1 trillion in national debt? 2$ 5$ 8$ 10$

...so were is this mythical hyperinflation?

Nbadan
12-28-2010, 04:36 AM
Rising commodity prices are a sign of global recovery...


http://www.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/commodity_cpi.PNG
commodity prices fluctuate much more than the consumer price index


What the commodity markets are telling us is that we’re living in a finite world, in which the rapid growth of emerging economies is placing pressure on limited supplies of raw materials, pushing up their prices. And America is, for the most part, just a bystander in this story.

Some background: The last time the prices of oil and other commodities were this high, two and a half years ago, many commentators dismissed the price spike as an aberration driven by speculators. And they claimed vindication when commodity prices plunged in the second half of 2008.

But that price collapse coincided with a severe global recession, which led to a sharp fall in demand for raw materials. The big test would come when the world economy recovered. Would raw materials once again become expensive?

Well, it still feels like a recession in America. But thanks to growth in developing nations, world industrial production recently passed its previous peak — and, sure enough, commodity prices are surging again.

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Inconsistency aside, however, the big problem with those blaming the Fed for rising commodity prices is that they’re suffering from delusions of U.S. economic grandeur. For commodity prices are set globally, and what America does just isn’t that important a factor.

In particular, today, as in 2007-2008, the primary driving force behind rising commodity prices isn’t demand from the United States. It’s demand from China and other emerging economies. As more and more people in formerly poor nations are entering the global middle class, they’re beginning to drive cars and eat meat, placing growing pressure on world oil and food supplies.

And those supplies aren’t keeping pace. Conventional oil production has been flat for four years; in that sense, at least, peak oil has arrived. True, alternative sources, like oil from Canada’s tar sands, have continued to grow. But these alternative sources come at relatively high cost, both monetary and environmental.

Krugman (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/opinion/27krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt)

Economies are driven by their capacity to acquire and efficiently use natural resources but America isn't manufacturing like it used to...in this game of global chess, Americans have played the traditional role of consumers, however, enough wealth is being spread around the world so people in India can have cellphones and the Chinese internet access, a true global technological evolution....

Nbadan
12-28-2010, 05:07 AM
So if we are at the beginning of a world economic recovery, will rising fuel prices lead to hyperinflation in the U.S.?


http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2010/12/op2.gif

Figure 2 plots core CPI. Clearly, since core CPI has been fairly level since late 2009, the relative price of oil has risen since the depths of the recession. No surprise there (except to note that rising oil prices have not been matched by rising actual cost of living indices, or expectations of accelerating inflation). This last observation is consistent with real side factors, rather than inflationary forces, driving oil prices

Oil futures do not point to ever higher oil prices. As of today, in fact, while the forward curve is in contango, the futures price three years ahead is only slightly above the nearest month futures price.


http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2010/12/op3.gif


The fact that China figures so prominently in the growth of world consumption is significant, because it highlights the fact that oil prices will depend on trends in Chinese GDP (as well as measures to decrease oil intensity) [1]. The PBoC's Christmas Day increase in interest rates serves as a reminder of the fact that the Chinese authorities face a challenging task in deflating the asset bubbles and re-balancing the economy without overshooting

One thing is for certain though, its not fed monetary policy which is effecting the rising prices for consumers


http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2010/12/op4.gif

Source: Ecobrowser (http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2010/12/petroleum_price.html)

Oil speculators aren't driving up demand...worldwide demand is driving up oil prices, but this demand fluctuates just like the demand for oil in the U.S., futures prices on oil simply do not show hyperinflation in the oil markets nor do the commodity markets....

So where is this mystical hyperinflation supposed to come from?

LaMarcus Bryant
12-28-2010, 04:55 PM
Krugman is one of the bigger douche bag pieces of shit writing about mainstream economics today. He himself has wavered on shit he was so smug to write about only two years ago.

boutons_deux
12-29-2010, 12:19 AM
Krugman was right about Barry's stimulus being way too small.

Krugman and Roubini were right about the housing bubble, which essentially nobody else admitted, and/or refused to see.

Krugman was right about (hyper)inflation not being a worry, while stagnation and deflation were.

Krugman was right about the priority is job creation, not deficit reduction

Which makes LMB a douche bag piece shit.

Nbadan
12-29-2010, 04:39 AM
Some recovery...where are the jobs?

Where are the jobs? For many companies, overseas...



Corporate profits are up. Stock prices are up. So why isn't anyone hiring?

Actually, many American companies are — just maybe not in your town. They're hiring overseas, where sales are surging and the pipeline of orders is fat.

More than half of the 15,000 people that Caterpillar Inc. has hired this year were outside the U.S. UPS is also hiring at a faster clip overseas. For both companies, sales in international markets are growing at least twice as fast as domestically.

The trend helps explain why unemployment remains high in the United States, edging up to 9.8 percent last month, even though companies are performing well: All but 4 percent of the top 500 U.S. corporations reported profits this year, and the stock market is close to its highest point since the 2008 financial meltdown.

Yahoo (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_overseas_hiring)

LaMarcus Bryant
12-29-2010, 04:07 PM
Krugman was right about Barry's stimulus being way too small.

Krugman and Roubini were right about the housing bubble, which essentially nobody else admitted, and/or refused to see.

Krugman was right about (hyper)inflation not being a worry, while stagnation and deflation were.

Krugman was right about the priority is job creation, not deficit reduction

Which makes LMB a douche bag piece shit.

It's amazing how backpeddlers can be right about a lot of things.

boutons_deux
12-29-2010, 04:12 PM
It's amazing how backpeddlers can be right about a lot of things.

They saw the above when it was happening and predicted correctly what would happen, and what should have happened. No back pedaling required.