on backing up bluray movies...

[hater]

So I'm in need of backing up all my bluray movies. :p:

I just got a bluray burner and doing some research. Anyone know what is the best easiest way?

I heard of AnyDVD HD that can rip the movie to my HD and then I have to use some software to burn it or compress it?? that's what I don't get.

- If I wanna compress it, what is the best software and what format do I choose so it plays on any bluray player? (MK4/MP4/avchd?)
- If I don't wanna compress it, can I just burn the ripped files to a bluray and it will work? I would need to use a double layer bluray right?

[hater]

damn I just saw the prices for dual layer bluray discs and they are crazy! definitely not worth it.

So I have to compress the video, this seems very time consuming :pctoss

[Nathan Explosion]

damn I just saw the prices for dual layer bluray discs and they are crazy! definitely not worth it.

So I have to compress the video, this seems very time consuming :pctoss

Not only that, but I imagine that the compression would affect the video quality. And the whole point of Blu Ray is to have the HD quality.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Hmm. Why are you "in need" of backing up your Blurays? Seems a little pointless. Plus, are we talking archiving your BR movies or backing them up?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

echo

[MannyIsGod]

Not only that, but I imagine that the compression would affect the video quality. And the whole point of Blu Ray is to have the HD quality.

Not really - there are better file formats you can use with much better compression without loss of quality.

That being said, I'd have to value my time very little to spend it backing up BR movies.

[resistanze]

I'm gonna assume 'backing up' he means borrowing off a friend to copy :lol

Yeah, I can't be bothered to do that. There's good enough compression of HD movie rips like Manny said to avoid backing up blu-ray discs, for now.

[nkdlunch]

Not really - there are better file formats you can use with much better compression without loss of quality.

That being said, I'd have to value my time very little to spend it backing up BR movies.

this is true. Loss of quality is negligible, you can definitely fit a 50gb movie into 25gb disk with no loss of quality.

Also these days bluray discs are getting so cheap, it will eventually be cheaper to burn blurays than keep them in your HD. Last time I checked bluray discs are 6 cents/gb. Comparable to HDD.

Still time is the biggest factor. But to save $20 per movie, IMO it's worth it now.

[PM5K]

this is true. Loss of quality is negligible, you can definitely fit a 50gb movie into 25gb disk with no loss of quality.

Also these days bluray discs are getting so cheap, it will eventually be cheaper to burn blurays than keep them in your HD. Last time I checked bluray discs are 6 cents/gb. Comparable to HDD.

Still time is the biggest factor. But to save $20 per movie, IMO it's worth it now.

But the BR movies themselves are getting so cheap. When you factor in the cost of the disks, the cost of the burner, the time involved to rip, encode, and burn, etc, it's just not worth it, at least for me.

You'd probably be just as happy with downloaded rips converted for dual layer DVD's. If you're a real stickler for quality you'd just stick with the originals.

[hater]

I'm gonna assume 'backing up' he means borrowing off a friend to copy :lol

Yeah, I can't be bothered to do that. There's good enough compression of HD movie rips like Manny said to avoid backing up blu-ray discs, for now.

I just converted a 26gb movie to 6gb movie. (still 1080p quality) damn, that would fit an 8gb regular dvd? I will give that a try.

dammit! so I didn't need a bluray burner? :bang

[PM5K]

I just converted a 26gb movie to 6gb movie. (still 1080p quality) damn, that would fit an 8gb regular dvd? I will give that a try.

dammit! so I didn't need a bluray burner? :bang

Well you'll have to decide for yourself if you like the quality or not, and obviously you'll want to use the full space of a dual layer DVD, not just 6GB.

[PM5K]

I just converted a 26gb movie to 6gb movie. (still 1080p quality) damn, that would fit an 8gb regular dvd? I will give that a try.

dammit! so I didn't need a bluray burner? :bang

What movie?

[Nathan Explosion]

I just converted a 26gb movie to 6gb movie. (still 1080p quality) damn, that would fit an 8gb regular dvd? I will give that a try.

dammit! so I didn't need a bluray burner? :bang

I'd imagine that there's a bit of compression going on there. And while it says it's 1080p, it could be HD in the same way Netflix is HD, just an upconvert. It's still looks great, but I'd compare the original with the burned disc before deciding if it's good enough.

If it is, then you're all set. If not, then the burner didn't go for naught.

[PM5K]

I'd imagine that there's a bit of compression going on there. And while it says it's 1080p, it could be HD in the same way Netflix is HD, just an upconvert. It's still looks great, but I'd compare the original with the burned disc before deciding if it's good enough.

If it is, then you're all set. If not, then the burner didn't go for naught.

It's not an upconvert if it came from a 26GB movie. It is compressed though obviously. That 6GB movie basically has a lower bit rate. I'm going by memory but most rips made for dual layer disks are anywhere from 5-10 Mbit/s , while Blu-Rays run around 25 Mbit/s .

They still look terrific though, except for the longer movies, you'd either have lower quality, or two disks.

If you do it right though it's time consuming, you'll want to go dual pass on the conversion. Again, it's easier to just download what you want.

[PM5K]

Oops..

[nkdlunch]

But the BR movies themselves are getting so cheap. When you factor in the cost of the disks, the cost of the burner, the time involved to rip, encode, and burn, etc, it's just not worth it, at least for me.

You'd probably be just as happy with downloaded rips converted for dual layer DVD's. If you're a real stickler for quality you'd just stick with the originals.

I agree. Not to mention Bluray is going away in a few years and everything will be streamed.

But if you want a collection of hundreds of movies and not spend thousands of dollars. This is the way to go.

[nkdlunch]

blu ray movies that is

[PM5K]

I got a 2TB hard drive connected to my 360, that's all I got to say.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

A friend of mine made himself an 8TB server and all of his media is on it. Everything is uncompressed on it. Nothing fancy but laid out very well. :drool:

[PM5K]

Damn uncompressed, fuck that.

[Wild Cobra]

Not only that, but I imagine that the compression would affect the video quality. And the whole point of Blu Ray is to have the HD quality.
That's my thought. They are already as compressed as they can be for the resolution used. Compress them more, and you lose quality.

[Wild Cobra]

damn I just saw the prices for dual layer bluray discs and they are crazy! definitely not worth it.

So I have to compress the video, this seems very time consuming :pctoss
I don't know what they cost, but a terabyte HD may be cheaper. Should be able to get about 30 movies per drive.

[Wild Cobra]

That being said, I'd have to value my time very little to spend it backing up BR movies.
No shit...

Something we agree on.

[Wild Cobra]

this is true. Loss of quality is negligible, you can definitely fit a 50gb movie into 25gb disk with no loss of quality.
I'd have to see it to believe it. A friend told me the same thing about putting dual layer on single layer DVD for backup. I see the difference.

Also these days bluray discs are getting so cheap, it will eventually be cheaper to burn blurays than keep them in your HD. Last time I checked bluray discs are 6 cents/gb. Comparable to HDD.
$1.50 for single layer and $3 for dual?

Still time is the biggest factor. But to save $20 per movie, IMO it's worth it now.
It's called theft.

[Wild Cobra]

What movie?
Doesn't matter. Most BR movies will fit on a single layer disk, before you add the special features and all.

[leemajors]

4.5GB 720 blu ray rips are very watchable, and pretty damn good quality.

[TDMVPDPOY]

get a NAS

or what u can do is if you have a ps3, upgrade the hdd to 640gb, or get a ssd hdd faster loading

[PM5K]

Doesn't matter. Most BR movies will fit on a single layer disk, before you add the special features and all.

How do you know if it matters or not if you don't know why I'm asking?

[Wild Cobra]

How do you know if it matters or not if you don't know why I'm asking?
I'm assuming the compression to a single layer BR disk. Almost no extra compression is needed for any movie, no compression for most. This was one reason why BR beat out HDVD. Most movies would fit on a single 25 GB layer, where nearly all needed a dual layer (15 GB/layer) HDVD. By layer, BR is more expensive because of the architecture. However, the single layer BR was cheaper than the dual layer HDVD, has a faster speed that supports all HD formats at the time where HDVD didn't support one or two, and could go up to 4 layers/100GB. My understanding is they have prototyped a push to 250 GB, but when the standard was set, it was set to 4 layer/100GB.

[PM5K]

I'm assuming the compression to a single layer BR disk. Almost no extra compression is needed for any movie, no compression for most. This was one reason why BR beat out HDVD. Most movies would fit on a single 25 GB layer, where nearly all needed a dual layer (15 GB/layer) HDVD. By layer, BR is more expensive because of the architecture. However, the single layer BR was cheaper than the dual layer HDVD, has a faster speed that supports all HD formats at the time where HDVD didn't support one or two, and could go up to 4 layers/100GB. My understanding is they have prototyped a push to 250 GB, but when the standard was set, it was set to 4 layer/100GB.

Ummm, no. That has nothing to do with why I asked him which movie.

[resistanze]

4.5GB 720 blu ray rips are very watchable, and pretty damn good quality.

Yeah, some rips as even damn near indistinguishable from the blu-ray.

I had a 8GB 720p version of Watchmen on my PS3. I eventually ended up buying the Watchmen Ultimate Cut Collection on BR (1080p). Really, I could not for the life of me see the difference after flipping between them for the same scenes.

Many instances I can tell the difference, albeit subtle (720p vs 1080p of Toy Story 3), but the quality is still great.

[hater]

movie I ripped is law abiding citizen. Ripped it no problem but compressing it is taking crazy time. 5+ hours. and still cannot burn in on a bluray for some reason.

will keep trying and post my thoughts...

[hater]

oh btw, what media server are you guys using to play movies through ps3? I'm looking for a free one.

[PM5K]

So a friend of mine had a Blu-Ray rbackup of Law Abiding Citizen that was compressed down to 4GB. Now he normally has stuff that is sized for dual layer DVD disks which is about 8.5 GB, but this particular version was made for a single layer disk for playback on a Blu-Ray player (PS3 or stand alone), and to be honest the quality was pretty damn good. In these pictures it's downscaled to about 720P but the movie itself was 1080P, and while not as good as the original, it wasn't enough for you to be reminded throughout the movie that it was a backup.

Obviously the resolution was the same, and the compression wasn't really noticeable in any way except that the picture was obviously softer than the original. If I had to give a reference point I'd say it's better than the HD content you'd see on cable, but not as good as the source material.

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So the point being that if a 4GB rip can look this good, an 8.5GB rip will look even better. If you want to rip movies and compress them yourself you can, but someone else has already done it before you so you might want to consider saving some of your time and effort.

[MannyIsGod]

I use PS media server. Works extremely well and reads ISOs as well.

[hater]

So a friend of mine had a Blu-Ray rbackup of Law Abiding Citizen

haha that is the 1st movie I ripped. Used RipBot to compress down to 8GB and quality is just as good as original.

Just finished burning my 7th movie. Funny thing is, some movies you don't have to compress cause they fit a 25gb bluray. some you do. quality is excellent and I can get rid of the stupid trailers/garbage menus.

Getting Inception tomorrow see how big that bad boy is.

[hater]

I use PS media server. Works extremely well and reads ISOs as well.

is this free? you have a link?

thanks

[Viva Las Espuelas]

it's actually PS3 media server, but yeah
http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/

[IronMaxipad]

I agree. Not to mention Bluray is going away in a few years and everything will be streamed.

But if you want a collection of hundreds of movies and not spend thousands of dollars. This is the way to go.

Streaming is still ways away. Especially with all the isp's beginning to add bandwidth caps. Not to mention you won't be getting anything near blu-ray quality. And when i say blu-ray quality i don't just mean the picture i mean the sound as well.

[Wild Cobra]

Streaming is still ways away. Especially with all the isp's beginning to add bandwidth caps. Not to mention you won't be getting anything near blu-ray quality. And when i say blu-ray quality i don't just mean the picture i mean the sound as well.
No shit. I don't see bandwidth keeping up with demand, and of course people will cry for net neutrality saying that will fix it.

[ElNono]

No shit. I don't see bandwidth keeping up with demand, and of course people will cry for net neutrality saying that will fix it.

Streaming doesn't have to be through the internet. Most PPV services by the cable co and satellite are currently streamed, but on bandwidth reserved for that...