Artest Bump on Hill at Game's End

[VI_Massive]

Did anyone else see as George was dribbling out the clock at the very end of the game -- Artest came right over to him and swiped "at the ball" and then kinda half-threw an elbow at him?

After Hill and Kobe got in their little tiff I noticed both the Odom bump on Hill and the Artest encounter at the end of the game. I wonder if LA will try to make Hill a "marked man" and go at/harass him more if the teams see each other? Maybe it was just those two guys trying to show Kobe they have his back? It'll sure be interesting to see what transpires between these two teams, especially involving Hill, as the year progresses.

[hater]

Artest being Artest. they just being butthurt cause they got their asses handed.

Don't think anything will come out of it unless Spurs start spanking that ass in LA, then Fakers will act even more butthurt and dirty.

Problem is, the Lakers cannot bully teams. They are not a tough team. Yeah Artest is tough but got the brains of a young chihuahua. Everyone else is soft as tissue. They can try but they will look ridiculous.

[8FOR!3]

Honestly, I see that the more frustrated they were making Hill, the better D he was playing. It was a I'm pissed off and it's making me focus with Hill, more of an I'm pissed off because nothing is working frustration from LA. I like it.

[lefty]

I caught that

But Artest apologized immediatly

[silverblackfan]

Hill is taking on Manu's attitude. Knock him down and you now have his undivided attention. I actually laugh when someone tries to intimidate Manu or Hill. It just gets them going.

[Mugen]

lol at Hill pwning Shannon Brown with those back 2 back strips.

[GSH]

I know some of you aren't going to like hearing it, but Artest isn't a dirty player. Never has been. He's damned strong, and when he runs into you... well, you know you've been run into. There are times when you don't want a guy to get to the rim, and you have to foul him - but you want to make sure not to give up an and-1. When Artest does it, it can look like a train wreck. But I don't ever remember seeing him take an intentional cheap shot. And there are a lot of times where he makes a real effort to wrap the other guy up and make sure he doesn't go to the floor hard. He's a crazy bastard, but he's a baller.

In Hill's rookie season, he got in Marcus Camby's head on a couple of plays in a row. Camby got frustrated, gave him a shove, and tried to intimidate him. Hill didn't back down an inch. And it was clear Hill wasn't just acting - he didn't give a damn that it was Camby or anybody else. He wasn't going to be the one getting intimidated.

The funny part was that Tim was standing just behind Hill, with his head tilted downward and glaring at Camby with a kind of Exorcist stare. It's one of my favorite memories from all the basketball I've watched. Timmy had the rookie's back. He didn't know Hill well enough then to know that he didn't need any backup. Camby looked like he had kicked a hornet's nest.

[boutons_deux]

"But I don't ever remember seeing him take an intentional cheap shot."

In 2003? a Detroit player was running the baseline, and Artest, defending somebody else, raised to elbow to cheap-short the Det player in the adam's apple.

Going into the stands to beat a fan isn't a cheap shot?

At Indiana, his craziness was about at its peak.

[Dex]

Artest apologized about that, just as he apologized to Blair and helped him up after a semi-hard foul on the break.

[fantasyfootball]

One thing I like about this Spurs team going forward is how tough a few of the key players are.

George Hill is fearless and has obviously shown that he won't lay off just because he's guarding a superstar. A lot of defenders are afraid of making Kobe Bryant upset with them. Hill doesn't give a fck.

Richard Jefferson doesn't back down from anyone. When Fisher had his seniors moment after that layup and went up to RJ, Jefferson went right back at him. Usually when Fisher pulls his tough guy act, other players shy away from a confrontation and look to the refs.

DeJuan Blair is Biggie Smalls and he'll bowl over you without even noticing. He's not intimidated of any physical presence.

Manu will take it to opponents but somehow never crosses the line of coming back at them if they do something to him. I don't know how he plays with so much intensity and never gets drawn into a confrontation but he doesn't.

In recent years, the only other player I remember being a true hardass on the Spurs is Bruce Bowen. Bowen was dirty as hell and pulled out all the stops although I don't think he tried his BS jump under the jump shooters ankles with Kobe.

I think the new integration of toughness really helps this team. Duncan's laissez faire, let's just be friends, ways bother me sometimes. Robinson was the same way. It's good to have a handful of combative players who are just as fierce as opponents.

[VI_Massive]

I caught that

But Artest apologized immediatly

I saw that they dapsed each other right after but it seemed like a "this isn't going to escalate for now" daps rather than that they were actually OK with each other or that what Artest did was an accident. If you watch the very end, once the clock is running out he makes a beeline for Hill and deliberately gives him a little shot.

Maybe part of it was to keep George from taking a late shot there at a long three to run up the score but I think it was more of a message to Hill of "We'll remember you when we play again."

[GSH]

"But I don't ever remember seeing him take an intentional cheap shot."

In 2003? a Detroit player was running the baseline, and Artest, defending somebody else, raised to elbow to cheap-short the Det player in the adam's apple.

Going into the stands to beat a fan isn't a cheap shot?

At Indiana, his craziness was about at its peak.


I said he's a crazy bastard. I don't know about the elbow. But running into the stands? There was a guy in our neighborhood growing up. Strong as an ox, and dumb as a fucking post. And he would do anything for one of his buddies. Anything. He wound up helping some guys try to rob a convenience store. No way in hell he would have done anything like that on his own.

Artest was just following his teammates' lead, and showing them he had their back. Stupid? Yeah. Crazy? Hell yeah. But I don't think he's a dirty player.

You watch how often he grabs an opposing player to make sure he doesn't take a hard fall. He's not trying to hurt people. I don't particularly like him, but he's got game, and he's much stronger than a lot of people know.

[y2kbug]

I'd like to see LA spend time focusing on GH3 and take their eyes off Tony, Manu, or RJ lol.

[spurspokesman]

Artest being Artest. they just being butthurt cause they got their asses handed.

Don't think anything will come out of it unless Spurs start spanking that ass in LA, then Fakers will act even more butthurt and dirty.

Problem is, the Lakers cannot bully teams. They are not a tough team. Yeah Artest is tough but got the brains of a young chihuahua. Everyone else is soft as tissue. They can try but they will look ridiculous.

THIS. PAU being the twinky of the crew.

[VI_Massive]

THIS. PAU being the twinky of the crew.

They haven't shown it yet this year, but LA does have the potential to be a very tough team. I didn't think they were until I saw Game 7 of last year's finals, but as someone I read described that game, it was a complete and utter rock fight and LA stood up to the challenge and won that game (albeit without Perkins on the floor) because they got tough rebounds. They CAN be tough. They haven't played that way yet.

[King]

The whole game was chippy. At the end, someone (Splitter?) set a screen on Blake and he banged his ear. He reeled for a second and looked pissed. A second screen came a minute later and Blake tried to bull through him. The whole season is going to be like that, I think.

[silverblk mystix]

They haven't shown it yet this year, but LA does have the potential to be a very tough team. I didn't think they were until I saw Game 7 of last year's finals, but as someone I read described that game, it was a complete and utter rock fight and LA stood up to the challenge and won that game (albeit without Perkins on the floor) because they got tough rebounds. They CAN be tough. They haven't played that way yet.

Those 25 free throws in the last 20 minutes of the game had NOTHING to do with the lakers winning....it was their toughness....ummm...ok.

[wunderkindepiphany]

I know some of you aren't going to like hearing it, but Artest isn't a dirty player. Never has been. He's damned strong, and when he runs into you... well, you know you've been run into. There are times when you don't want a guy to get to the rim, and you have to foul him - but you want to make sure not to give up an and-1. When Artest does it, it can look like a train wreck. But I don't ever remember seeing him take an intentional cheap shot. And there are a lot of times where he makes a real effort to wrap the other guy up and make sure he doesn't go to the floor hard. He's a crazy bastard, but he's a baller.

In Hill's rookie season, he got in Marcus Camby's head on a couple of plays in a row. Camby got frustrated, gave him a shove, and tried to intimidate him. Hill didn't back down an inch. And it was clear Hill wasn't just acting - he didn't give a damn that it was Camby or anybody else. He wasn't going to be the one getting intimidated.

The funny part was that Tim was standing just behind Hill, with his head tilted downward and glaring at Camby with a kind of Exorcist stare. It's one of my favorite memories from all the basketball I've watched. Timmy had the rookie's back. He didn't know Hill well enough then to know that he didn't need any backup. Camby looked like he had kicked a hornet's nest.

I'm with you on this one. I think he just plays that old-school D where he actually looks for some contact and bodies up his man. He does get pretty physical though and occasionally gives some pretty tough fouls. But, I wouldn't complain if he were playing for us.

[wunderkindepiphany]

One thing I like about this Spurs team going forward is how tough a few of the key players are.

George Hill is fearless and has obviously shown that he won't lay off just because he's guarding a superstar. A lot of defenders are afraid of making Kobe Bryant upset with them. Hill doesn't give a fck.

Richard Jefferson doesn't back down from anyone. When Fisher had his seniors moment after that layup and went up to RJ, Jefferson went right back at him. Usually when Fisher pulls his tough guy act, other players shy away from a confrontation and look to the refs.

DeJuan Blair is Biggie Smalls and he'll bowl over you without even noticing. He's not intimidated of any physical presence.

Manu will take it to opponents but somehow never crosses the line of coming back at them if they do something to him. I don't know how he plays with so much intensity and never gets drawn into a confrontation but he doesn't.

In recent years, the only other player I remember being a true hardass on the Spurs is Bruce Bowen. Bowen was dirty as hell and pulled out all the stops although I don't think he tried his BS jump under the jump shooters ankles with Kobe.

I think the new integration of toughness really helps this team. Duncan's laissez faire, let's just be friends, ways bother me sometimes. Robinson was the same way. It's good to have a handful of combative players who are just as fierce as opponents.

I agree with you, but I dont think Bowen is dirty. But, to each his own.

[wunderkindepiphany]

"But I don't ever remember seeing him take an intentional cheap shot."

In 2003? a Detroit player was running the baseline, and Artest, defending somebody else, raised to elbow to cheap-short the Det player in the adam's apple.

Going into the stands to beat a fan isn't a cheap shot?

At Indiana, his craziness was about at its peak.

He grew up in the hood and he was dealing with his demons back then. He seems like hes worked at trying to get his temper under wraps. He just takes the game that serious. If you were his teammate, youd want him to have your back.

[xellos88330]

How about Derek Fisher pointing at Tony at the beginning of the game? Looked like a clear challenge. Talk about a fail.

[boutons_deux]

I would have loved to have the Artest of 2003/2004, without the daemons, but he really hasn't been that defensive/offensive level since going into the stands.

He's probably heavily drugged now, which is all drug-trafficking shrinks do these days.

[Fabbs]

How about Derek Fisher pointing at Tony at the beginning of the game? Looked like a clear challenge. Talk about a fail.
No way! Can you give me an approx time frame?

Fraud Jr. (Kome being Ms. Fraud) hasn't had a legit moment in his NBA career.

Did you see lil Bitty charge into Parker and flop and expect the defensive foul on Parker? Fisher is nothing without rigged reffing.

[21_Blessings]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.

[jmanu20]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.

2-8 from the free throw line is not even close to "punking." However, 6'6'' or so DeJuan Blair sure punked Bynum, Gasol, and Odom's asses to 17 points and 15 rebounds.

[ShoogarBear]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.

Has he ever been more than 70% for more than five minutes in his life?

[Dex]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.

Yes, because that extra 30% of Andrew Bynum was sure to sway the 20-point deficit, especially when the Lakers weren't even looking inside.

[Gutter92]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.


Bynum can be at 100% and Kobe will still chuck you guys out of the game.

[Ditty]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.

you mad pussy? :lol

Bynum was getting eaten up inside and only 2 of his points came against Duncan :lmao

[DMC]

Artest is cheap. nothing new
Why is it that kids your age talk like they have worldly experience? Nothing new?

Everything is new to you...

The Spurs have been a powerhouse all of your life.

[Gagnrath]

another fairly tough spur of recent vintage (well sorta recent though he was old as dirt when he was here) Kevin Willis. Horry also had a moment or to of toughness at times.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Bynum was punking your asses in his limited minutes. Consider yourselves lucky he's only 70% at this point.

lol, how long did you desperately search for one aspect of the game which favored the Lakers? Kinda funny that you had to settle for Bynums performance, which wasn't impressive at all. Blair on the other hand... That's an impressive performance, against the most "dominant front-court in the league". Futures looking good for the Spurs.

[Chieflion]

21_Cuckolds came in here and got punked like the Laker frontcourt against the Spurs.

[gospursgojas]

Lets not forget when Hill steped to punk ass Jason Terry too.

[senorglory]

Going into the stands to beat a fan isn't a cheap shot?

No, it's something entirely unrelated.

[xellos88330]

No way! Can you give me an approx time frame?

Fraud Jr. (Kome being Ms. Fraud) hasn't had a legit moment in his NBA career.

Did you see lil Bitty charge into Parker and flop and expect the defensive foul on Parker? Fisher is nothing without rigged reffing.

8:22 mark of the first quarter. After fish made his first shot.

Fish was acting wierd that night.

[Proxy]

I know some of you aren't going to like hearing it, but Artest isn't a dirty player. Never has been. He's damned strong, and when he runs into you... well, you know you've been run into. There are times when you don't want a guy to get to the rim, and you have to foul him - but you want to make sure not to give up an and-1. When Artest does it, it can look like a train wreck. But I don't ever remember seeing him take an intentional cheap shot. And there are a lot of times where he makes a real effort to wrap the other guy up and make sure he doesn't go to the floor hard. He's a crazy bastard, but he's a baller.

In Hill's rookie season, he got in Marcus Camby's head on a couple of plays in a row. Camby got frustrated, gave him a shove, and tried to intimidate him. Hill didn't back down an inch. And it was clear Hill wasn't just acting - he didn't give a damn that it was Camby or anybody else. He wasn't going to be the one getting intimidated.

The funny part was that Tim was standing just behind Hill, with his head tilted downward and glaring at Camby with a kind of Exorcist stare. It's one of my favorite memories from all the basketball I've watched. Timmy had the rookie's back. He didn't know Hill well enough then to know that he didn't need any backup. Camby looked like he had kicked a hornet's nest.

Laughable.... did you forget him elbowing Manu on the side of his head during the Kings/Spurs 1st round playoff series? C'mon man.

[TheSullyMonster]

Duncan's laissez faire, let's just be friends, ways bother me sometimes.


Duncan isn't laissez faire, he just outplays you and walks away.:toast