Mavs @ Bucks MF'N Game Thread

[Ghazi]

no Matrix, no Dirk, no Beaubois, and Butler just fucked up his knee!

we UNstacked.

[Ghazi]

ugh the O is painful

[Ghazi]

Butler isn't coming back

fucking Ajinca, Cardinal, and Novak getting minutes...

[Muser]

What happened to Butler?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Spurs are getting lucky with Western Conference injuries. I wonder if their team holds up for the season.

[Ghazi]

What happened to Butler?

right knee injury

[Muser]

Spurs are getting lucky with Western Conference injuries. I wonder if their team holds up for the season.

No team will hold up over a whole season, just gotta hope for health in the playoffs.

[BanditHiro]

Spurs are getting lucky with Western Conference injuries. I wonder if their team holds up for the season.

james anderson has been hurt...the guy was shooting 50% from 3 point land before he got injured and it also forced Pop to get the worst player in the NBA Ime Udoka to replace him...so we haven't been lucky

[lil'mo]

LOL mavs

[024]

Spurs are getting lucky with Western Conference injuries. I wonder if their team holds up for the season.
injuries only matter in the playoffs, like in 2009, when lakers caught the greatest breaks in nba history with injuries going to tmac, yao, ginobili, garnett, and nelson.

[lil'mo]

james anderson has been hurt...the guy was shooting 50% from 3 point land before he got injured and it also forced Pop to get the worst player in the NBA Ime Udoka to replace him...so we haven't been lucky

Geogre hill been injured. Splitter out beginning of season and whole training camp. I would not say the spurs have been lucky.

[cd98]

Spurs are getting lucky with Western Conference injuries. I wonder if their team holds up for the season.

Funny. Lots of other teams in WC have been lucky that the Spurs have been injured over the last couple years.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Let me rephrase that :lol The Spurs haven't had to deal with any major injuries to their starting 5.

[sribb43]

Down goes Mahinmi :bang

Where is kevin willis when you need him?

[sribb43]

Haywood and Terry playing like absolute trash gives the mavs no shot

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

at least JJ looks taller than someone

[sribb43]

at least JJ looks taller than someone

he couldnt even post up Boykins earlier in the game

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

he couldnt even post up Boykins earlier in the game

Earl is a strong mofo. He can bench 315lbs

[sribb43]

Earl is a strong mofo. He can bench 315lbs

even if he couldnt...JJ still couldnt do shit

[Ghazi]

hangin around!

[cd98]

Let me rephrase that :lol The Spurs haven't had to deal with any major injuries to their starting 5.

This year

[BanditHiro]

Let me rephrase that :lol The Spurs haven't had to deal with any major injuries to their starting 5.

i was being silly but now that i think about it that injury to splitter was pretty major...had he gone through training camp and the pre-season he probably would be play much better than he is right now and would be a starter.

[frodo]

also sucked in D as well, conceding half a hundred by halftime

[frodo]

boykins is probably the shortest trigga to ever play this game imo, even spud webb looks an inch taller than him.

[sribb43]

FUCK HAYWOOD...piece of shit cant shoot FT's for shit

[frodo]

12rebs + 12pts by Ilyasova...

findog looks fine stat-wise but thats not it if/when being compared to the opposing PF. it looks findog has been doing fine as the starting PF all these 3 games but the reality is he got pwned by his opponent every minute he played.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Let me rephrase that :lol The Spurs haven't had to deal with any major injuries to their starting 5.
:toast

[Ghazi]

Mavs hangin tough...

[sribb43]

Kidd out of the game...wonder what happens?

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

boykins and barea making each other look good..:rollin

[frodo]

Kidd out of the game...wonder what happens?

were losing the game anyways, no one cares

[frodo]

Jared Sullinger
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/jared-sullinger-hd_0.jpg

Strengths: Sullinger has decent size for a post player measuring 6’9” (in shoes) with a 6’11.5” wingspan … He is a bruising throwback post player that uses his 262 pound body to create angles for his shot and to clear space on the boards … Very physical player that uses his body to wear down opposing big men...The Ohio State commit is also very skilled with a repertoire of advanced post moves for a high school player…Comfortable finishing around the rim with either hand … Has excellent hands and footwork and shows very good touch around the basket … Solid rebounder, he attacks the glass at both ends of the floor and creates offensive opportunities off of putbacks…Shows decent form and touch on the 12-18 footer … Passes well out of the post … He’s a winner, leading his Columbus Northland squad to an Ohio Divison 1 state championship and his All-Ohio Red AAU squad to three consecutive National Championships …

Weaknesses: Does not possess elite athleticism…Is prone to having his shot blocked and has some difficulty with longer athletic defenders…Does not run the floor extremely well…Shows ability, but needs to improve consistency of mid-range jumper...Lateral quickness is lacking, creating defensive mismatches versus perimeter oriented PFs…Is not a particularly dominant defensive player due to lack of explosiveness and quickness…Weight could be a long-term issue, not a particularly solid 262 pounds…Potential one-and-done lottery guy, but must improve conditioning and mid-range game and show that he can dominate at the college level …


Derrick Williams
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/derrick-williams-hd.jpeg

Strengths: Williams had an excellent freshman season, averaging 15 and 7 for a rebounding Arizona team ... A long, 6'9 forward, Williams possesses sound footwork and fundamentals when dealing in the paint... He absorbs contact well, and gets to the line at an excellent rate, attempting 7.5 attempts per game... One of his best assets revolves around his high offensive awareness level- he times his cuts in the paint in rhythm with his point guard and the ball movement around him ... He uses pump fakes and positions his body efficiently when going up for a layup or dunk under the rim ... With his back to the basket, Williams uses his strength, along with long and efficient drop steps to create separation where he can score on 10 foot turn around jumpers and touch hooks ... He is capable of facing up, where he can attack by putting the ball on the floor, and though he doesn't have the speed or handle to blow by his defender, he uses his body to shield his defender, making it difficult to contest his shot ... Defensively, he does a good job bodying up and defending the post ... Only averaged 2.5 personal fouls per game illustrates his high defensive IQ and understanding of defensive positioning ... 7-plus foot wingspan also helps him on the boards and blocking shots ...

Weaknesses: Williams is slightly undersized for a power forward at the next level, lacking great bulk ... He will likely always use speed and length to compensate for a lack of brute strength ... He would really benefit from developing a consistent mid range jump shot ... His face up game would be more effective, and it would add another dimension to his offensive repertoire ... At times, takes him a little too long to execute his move and get off his shot ... Needs to improve vision in the post - when the ball goes down low to him it rarely gets kicked out ... Goes through cold spells from the FT line. Must become more consistent ...

Overall: Earned Pac-Ten freshman of the year. Williams is a smart kid, who works hard and maintains a high activity level every time he steps on the floor ... He's gifted in terms of scoring in the paint with great instincts and strength ... If he can broaden his offensive game by developing a mid range game while improving his handle, Williams could be one of the premier players in college this season, and a potential mid-first rounder ...

[Ghazi]

looks like a loss :(

[frodo]

Trey Tompkins
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/howard-thompkins-hd_0.jpg
Strengths: A graceful 6-foot-10 bigman with a polished offensive game and feathery touch … One of those players that wows you with skill level instead of athleticism … Can face the basket and knock down shots as well as do work on the block … Highly effective in the half court but also excels in transition … Smooth footwork in the post and strong all around feel for the game … High basketball IQ … Great understanding of post positioning and use of box out … Also does a good job of freeing himself from his man off the ball for passes … Wide base allows him to post up opponents and create space inside … Textbook use of his pivot feet … Has a nice righty baby hook shot … Has range out to three point land … Likes to face up against opposing bigs and use his guard like ball handling ability to create shots … An excellent finisher after contact … Soft hands, very good at corralling bad passes and quick to make plays once he gains possession of the ball … Body strength is good … Uses his big wingspan to clear the boards effectively (8.3 rpg) … Very effective on the offensive glass, utilizing his excellent length and soft hands for tip ins … Does a good job in pick and roll or pick and pop situations … Solid go to player with the ability to get the line and knock down free throws (75%) … Highly advanced skill level for a player with just two years of college basketball under his belt … Has a very calm, even keeled demeanor. Doesn’t get rattled easily … Body has shown solid development in the past year …

Weaknesses: Not a jaw dropping athlete … Upside somewhat limited by his lack of pure athletic ability … Not the most explosive leaper and despite a big wingspan not much of a presence as a shot blocker … Uses finesse instead of athleticism to break opponents down offensively … Skill set makes him more of a threat in the half court. Needs to become a better shooter in the intermediate 12-18 foot range … Needs to get better with his passing and not be quite as careless with the ball … Could stand to tone his body some more …

Notes: A hard worker who played in a college environment in high school at Oak Hill Academy … One of the top returning post players in college basketball … Averaged 17.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg and 1.9 apg while hitting 23-61 (38%) on 3 point attempts.

Lucas Nogueira
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/lucas-riva-hd.jpg
Strengths: Brazil's next big basketball hope after Nene and Leandro Barbosa ... One of the most promising International players of the next generation ... At just 18 years of age, shows a great deal of potential ... An athletic specimen ... Shows tremendous length and great balance ... Runs the floor like a deer, makes quick moves. Can change directions quickly. Very springy ... A big time shot blocker using his length and leaping ability to be an eraser around the basket ... Excellent on the break where he uses his tremendous fluidity and speed to convert dunks ... Shows some offensive ability with a solid shooting touch and ability to knock down free throws ... Tremendous rebounder. Shows good hands.

Weaknesses: The big knock against Lucas "Bebe" is that he is lazy ... Sources around the team claim that he is a little bit difficult to deal with and already has a star's attitude ... Nothing can derail a promising career faster than a kid not willing to put the work in, so for Lucas, keeping his head on straight, continuing to work hard and focusing on his development is crucial if he's going to realize his vast potential ... Must continue to develop his upper body and overall strength ... Still extremely skinny. 200 lbs. Must bulk up, but shows wiry strength and should be able to add weight successfully without diminishing his agility ... Needs to keep developing his offensive game, prove himself against a high level of competition ...

Notes: Nickname is "Bebe" which translates to "baby" ... Also known as Lucas Riva ... Full Name is Lucas Riva Amarante Nogueira... Plays for Estudiantes in Spain. Was 2 blocks away from recording a triple double in his first game in San Antonio playing for Brazil against Puerto Rico (20p/12r/8b) ... Has 3 years left on his deal with Estudiantes ...

Kenneth Faried
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/kenneth-faried-hd.jpg

Marcus Morris
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/marcus-morris-hd.jpeg

Tristan Tompson
http://www.nbadraft.net/files/players/tristan-thompson-hd.jpeg

[Killakobe81]

Boykins is a giant killer ...
Mavs miss dirk ...obviously

[Ghazi]

fuckin Boykins.

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

fuckin Barea.

[Spurologist]

Barea taking step back fadeaway jumpers in crunch time??? wow

[Hooks]

The Mavs look done.

[TinTin]

Why isn't Bogut drinking that gatorade?

[Ghazi]

Just not enough consistency on offense w/o Dirk....and Beaubois/Butler/Marion

[Spurologist]

Barea taking step back fadeaway jumpers in crunch time??? wow

:lmao

[Hooks]

3333333333333333333!!!!!

[Ghazi]

JET is such garbage w/o Dirk

[frodo]

playing a D-leaguer as your starting PF your supposed to suck this bad tbh

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

Barea taking step back fadeaway jumpers in crunch time ??? wow

twice. and missed both

:rollin

uSD4vsh1zDA

[Warlord23]

Chandler looks frustrated. Ghazi's wife is going to take it up the ass tonight.

[frodo]

jet just takes too many forced shots which is mainly the result of the absence of power in the paint. Brian Cardinal is your best PF now w/o dirk and he's a sheer liability. i like his posts on spurstalk and i revere him as much as it gets, but he's just not an NBA-caliber player.

[Spurologist]

Chandler looks frustrated. Ghazi's wife is going to take it up the ass tonight.

:lmao

[Spurologist]

twice. and missed both

:rollin

uSD4vsh1zDA

:tu

good night indeed

[Hooks]

:lol did Mav fans actually think their shitty team had a chance of winning this game?

[DesignatedT]

:lmao

[BanditHiro]

the mavs have hit their playoff form really early

[sribb43]

Mavs had no chance in this game when Cardinal, Ajencia, haywood, mahinmi, novak saw playing time that wasnt garbage time

[toki9]

Down goes Mahinmi :bang

Where is kevin willis when you need him?

What happened to Mahinmi?

[Shank]

:lol did Mav fans actually think their shitty team had a chance of winning this game?

By team, do you mean the full compliment of players? Or the scrubs that were forced to play tonight?

[frodo]

Mavs had no chance in this game when Cardinal, Ajencia, haywood, mahinmi, novak saw playing time that wasnt garbage time

not to say that Cardinal has been your starting PF all the recent 3 games and he played up to 33min tonight, shooting 1-6 FG%. Findog grabbed 5reb tonight which doesn't look too bad by itself, while his opponent Ilyasova slurped 17 motherfucking rebounds tonight together with 16pts.

[LkrFan]

Lakers are 1.5 games behind Dallas and 6 games behind the Spurs. 49 games to go.

[Texas_Ranger]

lol @ ''we have no players''

The Bucks were without Jennings,Gooden,Redd,Delfino and Sanders.

I did like how this was the game of midgets.

[Ghazi]

lol @ ''we have no players''

The Bucks were without Jennings,Gooden,Redd,Delfino and Sanders.

I did like how this was the game of midgets.

seriously comparing those players to Dirk? (Redd? really?)

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

lol @ ''we have no players''

The Bucks were without Jennings,Gooden,Redd,Delfino and Sanders.

I did like how this was the game of midgets.

Are you really comparing Jennings, Gooden, Redd, Delfino and Sanders to

Roddy, Marion, Butler, and Dirk??? I know Spurs fans hate the Mavs but
have some sort of common sense.

Congrats to the Bucks they played well

[Ghazi]

my God Spur fan is retarded.

This is an excusable loss for the Mavs, period.

[Ghazi]

win

Spur fan getting his retard on.

[Ghazi]

Michael Redd... :lol at Spur fan's stupidity.

[Shank]

lol @ ''we have no players''

The Bucks were without Jennings,Gooden,Redd,Delfino and Sanders.

I did like how this was the game of midgets.

People are still counting Redd as a factor?

[BanditHiro]

Are you really comparing Jennings, Gooden, Redd, Delfino and Sanders to

Roddy, Marion, Butler, and Dirk??? I know Spurs fans hate the Mavs but
have some sort of common sense.

Congrats to the Bucks they played well

you don't need to compare, but the fact remains the bucks still had key guys missing.

just because they are not as good as Dirk does not mean they are any less important to their team.

[Shank]

And it's only about to get worse. Not looking good on the Butler knee.

[BanditHiro]

its still an excusable lost but quit acting like you guys were the only ones suffering

[Ghazi]

you don't need to compare, but the fact remains the bucks still had key guys missing.

just because they are not as good as Dirk does not mean they are any less important to their team.

Jennings is their only key guy missing. shut the fuck up.

[Shank]

you don't need to compare, but the fact remains the bucks still had key guys missing.

just because they are not as good as Dirk does not mean they are any less important to their team.

Of that list, we'd give you ONE as a "key guy" and that's Jennings. That still doesn't compare to making up the loss of Dirk, Butler and Marion.

[Shank]

its still an excusable lost but quit acting like you guys were the only ones suffering

"Suffering" without Delfino!

[Ghazi]

And it's only about to get worse. Not looking good on the Butler knee.

what's the word?

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

its alrite guys you still got JJ fk'n barea.

[Texas_Ranger]

Redd would still be just as good as Butler.
Dirk is by far the best out there, but others are close.

[Ghazi]

Redd hasn't played a game all year.

Be quiet fool.

[frodo]

the concern rises higher. while dirk still undergoes rehabilitation with no returning date set certain, injury comes and bites another two major guys. time to start building for the future

[Shank]

what's the word?

Good news in that he limped off on his own (but we've seen NFL players with ACLs manage to do the same). Bad news is the team knows something's up with the way the news was released to them during and after the game. Staying in Milwaukee (that's Algonquin for "The Good Land") tonight and headed back to Dallas tomorrow for the MRI.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

I see what Spurs fans are saying it's unfair to act like we are the only ones suffering through injuries.
Bucks were without key players I guess. But still a loss to understand considering the circumstances

[Shank]

Redd would still be just as good as Butler.
Dirk is by far the best out there, but others are close.

Holy shit, we're almost a full calendar year removed from the last time Michael Redd played in a fucking game. Get off it.

[frodo]

only a week ago the mavs were still considered a title contender... things changed too fast :(

[Ditty]

damn there saying caron butler may have a dislocated kneecap aint that the same thing that happened to oden last year?

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

only a week ago the mavs were still considered a title contender... things changed too fast :(

You are right sir, 3 straight losses without key players and no more
"title contender"

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

damn there saying caron butler may have a dislocated kneecap aint that the same thing that happened to oden last year?

Damn didn't hear that. Crossing fingers

[Venti Quattro]

How many more weeks/games is Dirk going to miss? Are the Mavs ever winning in that stretch?

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

How many more weeks/games is Dirk going to miss? Are the Mavs ever winning in that stretch?

Dirk has stated sometime next week during the Mavs 3 game homestand

[Shank]

damn there saying caron butler may have a dislocated kneecap aint that the same thing that happened to oden last year?

Some scrub on DB.com is guessing based on what he saw. I know I saw Przyazyzyzybilla suffer the same thing from about 20' away last year and it was brutal. Butler didn't appear to be in as bad of shape this time around. But hey - I'm only guessing at this point, as is Mike Fisher and the DB.com kiddies.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Some scrub on DB.com is guessing based on what he saw. I know I saw Przyazyzyzybilla suffer the same thing from about 20' away last year and it was brutal. Butler didn't appear to be in as bad of shape this time around. But hey - I'm only guessing at this point, as is Mike Fisher and the DB.com kiddies.

oh good, I thought it was something official

[Shank]

Frame of reference if it is a dislocated kneecap - Bynum missed 8 weeks, a guy like Chad Henne missed 10. You'd be looking at March at that point.

[Texas_Ranger]

Delfino 13 pts, 4 reb, 2,5 ast, 1,6 stl
Gooden 11pts,7 reb
Sanders 4 pts, 3 reb, 1,3 blk


Butler 15,6 pts, 4 reb, 1 stl
Marion 11 pts, 6 reb

Wow!!! Those 2 Mavs really are way better!!

And btw your french Alah did also not play a single game this season. I bet that if both Redd and Beobwa would have played Redd would still be better.

[Shank]

Delfino 13 pts, 4 reb, 2,5 ast, 1,6 stl
Gooden 11pts,7 reb
Sanders 4 pts, 3 reb, 1,3 blk


Butler 15,6 pts, 4 reb, 1 stl
Marion 11 pts, 6 reb

Wow!!! Those 2 Mavs really are way better!!

And btw your french Alah did also not play a single game this season. I bet that if both Redd and Beobwa would have played Redd would still be better.

Please get off this. You're making a fucking fool of yourself. You know damn good and well that you can't rate the effectiveness of a player based on statistical averages. Jason Kidd hardly scores and leaves a distinct fingerprint on games. Same for a guy like Marion whose effectiveness is measured in how well he plays his man defensively. Marion and Butler add a toughness and a veteran know-how to a team that you don't necessarily see in boxscores. You don't think the Spurs teams of a few years ago would have seen the ill effect if a guy like Bowen and his low statistical averages sat out for a game?

[Ghazi]

:lol texas ranger

Give it up, man

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Delfino 13 pts, 4 reb, 2,5 ast, 1,6 stl
Gooden 11pts,7 reb
Sanders 4 pts, 3 reb, 1,3 blk


Butler 15,6 pts, 4 reb, 1 stl
Marion 11 pts, 6 reb

Wow!!! Those 2 Mavs really are way better!!

And btw your french Alah did also not play a single game this season. I bet that if both Redd and Beobwa would have played Redd would still be better.

I don't like to call somebody an idiot based off of a basketball argument,
but your approaching that level

[Texas_Ranger]

I did not say that those Bucks guys are better than the injured Mavs, but you can't say that they aren't really good. All of those guys can help their team. I do know that healthy Dallas would and should defeat the healty Bucks, but some of you think those Milwaukee players are just scrubs.

[frodo]

Frame of reference if it is a dislocated kneecap - Bynum missed 8 weeks, a guy like Chad Henne missed 10. You'd be looking at March at that point.

trade him away if you want to continue competing. Haywood + butler + french allah + picks for Melo

[Fpoonsie]

When's "dirk's tounge" actually gonna post?

[Shank]

When's "dirk's tounge" actually gonna post?

Do people seriously not know how to spell tongue? I see it all the time.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Do people seriously not know how to spell tongue? I see it all the time.

:lol

[Fpoonsie]

Do people seriously not know how to spell tongue? I see it all the time.

[shrug] Apparently not...which is what makes this poster's potential contributions so special.

[weebo]

Please get off this. You're making a fucking fool of yourself. You know damn good and well that you can't rate the effectiveness of a player based on statistical averages. Jason Kidd hardly scores and leaves a distinct fingerprint on games. Same for a guy like Marion whose effectiveness is measured in how well he plays his man defensively. Marion and Butler add a toughness and a veteran know-how to a team that you don't necessarily see in boxscores. You don't think the Spurs teams of a few years ago would have seen the ill effect if a guy like Bowen and his low statistical averages sat out for a game?

According to this argument, Manu>Dirk.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

rofl

[Shank]

According to this argument, Manu>Dirk.
:lmao

[BUMP]

I don't get the whole "well the other team had injured players too" argument. It's irrelevant since a fully healthy Mavs team is obviously better than a fully healthy Bucks team.

If the Mavs get blown out by the Kings with each team missing their 4 best players, does that really mean anything? It just shows that the Mavs without Dirk suck ass, but that doesn't mean anything since he'll be playing in games that actually matter

[Roddy Beaubois]

Holy fuck Jason Terry is worthless when he isn't able to play off Dirk.

[Roddy Beaubois]

The Turtle is 17-52 since Dirk got hurt.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Sounds like Caron could be out until the All-Star break and maybe even the rest of the season. Might need to look into a trade...

[Sean Cagney]

Holy fuck Jason Terry is worthless when he isn't able to play off Dirk.

He is utter shyt now, not sure why they did not let him go last season after his horrible playoffs!!!! 1-7 in a game 6 huge game? WHY NOT JUST LET JET CRASH AND LET HIM GO!

[LkrFan]

The Turtle is 17-52 since Dirk got hurt.
:lol

[jjktkk]

Hate to see any player get a major injury. Hope Butler can make it back.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Mavs fear its a torn patella tendon according to Art Garcia.

If thats true, his season is over.

[jjktkk]

If there is a silver lining you know Cuban will make a move to pick up a sf/sg type. Phx. has Childress, Pietrus, Dudley, and Hill. Charlotte is looking to dump Jax, at least that is the rumor. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Cuban makes a move.

[Rummpd]

I do not wish any player hurt on any team - and especially a speedy recovery to Caron a classy (and very good) player and person whom I met when he was a Wizard.

[frodo]

Sounds like Caron could be out until the All-Star break and maybe even the rest of the season. Might need to look into a trade...

dude suffered a dislocated kneecap which will keep him out through the trade deadline, meaning he would be traded for no bigger value than an expiring contract. the receiving team can call off the transfer if the player fails medical test (like the proposed Tyson Chandler transfer to OKC thunder which was later aborted) but they can choose not to do so as well.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

Injury's are killing the Mavs....