Just when you thought the Democrats...

[Yonivore]

...couldn't stoop any lower:

Sanders Fundraises Off Arizona Murders (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sanders-fundraises-arizona-murders_533487.html)


Given the recent tragedy in Arizona, as well as the start of the new Congress, I wanted to take this opportunity to share a few words with political friends in Vermont and throughout the country. I also want to thank the very many supporters who have begun contributing online to my 2012 reelection campaign at www.bernie.org. There is no question but that the Republican Party, big money corporate interests and right-wing organizations will vigorously oppose me. Your financial support now and in the future is much appreciated.

[Stringer_Bell]

Sanders identifies as a Socialist, not a Democrat. Next time try to get it right before you smear an entire political party while feigning disgust.

http://www.lafferty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/fail-24.jpg

btw, i do think it's a dick move for him to ask for money like that, but i'm not holding it against all socialists...it's more symptomatic of politics in general than any one particular party's philosophy.

[Yonivore]

Sanders identifies as a Socialist, not a Democrat. Next time try to get it right before you smear an entire political party while feigning disgust.
With whom does he caucus? In what primary does he run?

[BradLohaus]

How many rounds should the feds allow us law abiding citizens to have in a magazine, based on the action of a lunatic?

[scott]

Dumb fail of a thread.

[scott]

You should have gone with the second part of that article, where he soundsmlike a douchey crybaby, rather than the overreaching and false interpretation of the first part that you wnt with.

[Yonivore]

How many rounds should the feds allow us law abiding citizens to have in a magazine, based on the action of a lunatic?
As many as we want...they should concentrate on controlling the lunatic. Sheriff Gupnick, it appears, had all the information he needed to have taken some type of enforcement action long before this tragedy.

Interesting video from MSNBC interviewing a guy that was legally carrying that day. What I find interesting is the expression of restraint in the face of such carnage. He assessed the situation and determined he did not need to draw or fire his weapon. Kind of a far cry from the wild west images the left attempt to conjure up whenever carry and conceal carry laws are discussed.

K_p-PVwZeek

I really think we have exhausted the idioted rhetoric debate. I want to talk about the heroes and those who lives were devastated by this idiot. For instance, I had not heard, until today, that the nine-year old girl had been born on September 11, 2001.

9-year-old Tucson Victim Was Daughter of Dodgers Scout and 9/11 Baby (http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-christina-greene-arizona-victim,0,5105433.story)

She had just been elected to her school's student council. A neighbor was aware of that and invited her to join his family at the "Congress on the Corner" event.

So sad.

[Yonivore]

You should have gone with the second part of that article, where he soundsmlike a douchey crybaby, rather than the overreaching and false interpretation of the first part that you wnt with.
You've been drinking again, haven't you?

[Stringer_Bell]

K_p-PVwZeek

That's incredible.

Sadly, I feel just awful for the neighbor that took the little girl that was killed to the event. Iirc, she survived and I can't imagine the guilt and horror she must have experienced when she realized what happened. One of the talking points for the team of doctors working on the victims is that in addition to physical trauma, there's a lot of mental trauma as well. One asshole affected so many people and their families, and not just on that day but in the future too. That little girl could have grown up to do amazing things.

[BlairForceDejuan]

How many rounds should the feds allow us law abiding citizens to have in a magazine, based on the action of a lunatic?

I own a Glock 19, and would be 10000000000000000% cool if 33 rd. glock mags were outlawed for citizens. But like I said, it takes 2 seconds to switch out 10/15 round magazine.

And I doubt a 1000 ft. gun ban within the vicinity of a political figure would be respected by an insane shooter possessing the intent to murder.

[CosmicCowboy]

I own a Glock 19, and would be 10000000000000000% cool if 33 rd. glock mags were outlawed for citizens. But like I said, it takes 2 seconds to switch out 10/15 round magazine.

And I doubt a 1000 ft. gun ban within the vicinity of a political figure would be respected by an insane shooter possessing the intent to murder.

no shit...

[boutons_deux]

Hey Yoni Dude, here's Your People grovelling for funds, just when we knew they could always go lower and lower:

Tea Party Group Uses Tucson Shootings to Fundraise

The Tea Party Express sent an email to supporters this morning asking for money to fight against alleged liberal attacks in the wake of the shooting.

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149505/tea_party_group_uses_tucson_shootings_to_fundraise

[George Gervin's Afro]

Hey Yoni Dude, here's Your People grovelling for funds, just when we knew they could always go lower and lower:

Tea Party Group Uses Tucson Shootings to Fundraise

The Tea Party Express sent an email to supporters this morning asking for money to fight against alleged liberal attacks in the wake of the shooting.

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149505/tea_party_group_uses_tucson_shootings_to_fundraise

:lmao

poor yoni..

[Yonivore]

:lmao

poor yoni..

They were as wrong as Democrats to exploit it.

[boutons_deux]

But it's one Dem compared to the leader of tee hee baggers shaking down all his dupes.

NOT EQUIVALENT! :lol

[Yonivore]

But it's one Dem compared to the leader of tee hee baggers shaking down all his dupes.

NOT EQUIVALENT! :lol
Or, you could say it was a peer of Congresswoman Giffords' with absolutely no involvement in the events of last Saturday compared with a political group that has been mercilessly libeled for 4 straight days.

You're right, not an equivalent at all.

But, I still think neither of them should have mentioned the massacre in the context of a fundraiser. It's in poor taste.

[Wild Cobra]

Sanders identifies as a Socialist, not a Democrat.
LOL...

It's the same thing any more!

[Wild Cobra]

And I doubt a 1000 ft. gun ban within the vicinity of a political figure would be respected by an insane shooter possessing the intent to murder.
True.

That's the problem with gun laws. The law abiding citizens follow the laws, and then those who don't follow the laws have nobody to worry about, shooting back!

[George Gervin's Afro]

True.

That's the problem with gun laws. The law abiding citizens follow the laws, and then those who don't follow the laws have nobody to worry about, shooting back!

I really want to punch you in the face


(I'm not asking anyone to go punch WC in the face)

[ElNono]

That's the problem with gun laws. The law abiding citizens follow the laws, and then those who don't follow the laws have nobody to worry about, shooting back!

I understand guns used as personal defense, but I've never been sold that they work as a deterrent. Case in point, do you think this wacko cared if there was anybody else armed there? I'm pretty sure he was aware there would be some sort of security at the event.

[boutons_deux]

"sold that they work as a deterrent"

capital punishment deters nobody.

"studies have shown" that there is no clear causality with gun ownership and crime reduction.

eg, AZ is armed to the teeth, but has the highest per capital murder rate in the USA.

[Wild Cobra]

I understand guns used as personal defense, but I've never been sold that they work as a deterrent. Case in point, do you think this wacko cared if there was anybody else armed there? I'm pretty sure he was aware there would be some sort of security at the event.
Yes, IMO, most people who commit such crimes are chickenshits.

[Duff McCartney]

Yes, IMO, most people who commit such crimes are chickenshits.

Please. Laws are there for people who abide by laws. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have them. Laws aren't there just to deter people they are also for people to face the consequences should they be broken.

[Yonivore]

I understand guns used as personal defense, but I've never been sold that they work as a deterrent. Case in point, do you think this wacko cared if there was anybody else armed there? I'm pretty sure he was aware there would be some sort of security at the event.
Was there security? I haven't heard.

The only other person with a gun, of which I'm aware, is the shopper who emerged from the Safeway after all the shooting had ended and they were struggling with him on the ground.

On of the criticisms of both Sheriff Dupnick and the Congresswoman's staff is that, knowing Loughner's troubles, neither of them took the appropriate measures to safeguard the Congresswoman and those assembled at the Safeway that day.

[fraga]

The fail is strong with this one...

[Yonivore]

I would be surprised if one of the victims' family or a survivor doesn't sue the pants off of Pima County and that Community College for the Sheriff's and College Police's failures to act on what is apparent they knew before Saturday.

[jack sommerset]

Was there security? I haven't heard.

The only other person with a gun, of which I'm aware, is the shopper who emerged from the Safeway after all the shooting had ended and they were struggling with him on the ground.

On of the criticisms of both Sheriff Dupnick and the Congresswoman's staff is that, knowing Loughner's troubles, neither of them took the appropriate measures to safeguard the Congresswoman and those assembled at the Safeway that day.

I don't think there was any security on sight. They said it took a few minutes for the police to arrive on the sceene as the two guys held Jared down. One of the guys who had a gun decided not to use it but instead just held onto the dude. That's pretty freaken responsible. Most of us might have took it out, maybe even the guy.

[Wild Cobra]

I would be surprised if one of the victims' family or a survivor doesn't sue the pants off of Pima County and that Community College for the Sheriff's and College Police's failures to act on what is apparent they knew before Saturday.
I doubt anything would come of it. 30 years ago, the sheriff would be ably to stop such things. Not in today's liberal "feel good" and "understanding" climate. Law enforcement just has their hands tied too much these days.

[boutons_deux]

I bet law enforcement violates and abuses citizens more than its hands are tied.

btw, spousal abuse is about 10% in the general population, but 40% in the law enforcement marriages. cause or effect?

[Wild Cobra]

I bet law enforcement violates and abuses citizens more than its hands are tied.

btw, spousal abuse is about 10% in the general population, but 40% in the law enforcement marriages. cause or effect?
I agree, law enforcers do abuse the laws. Generally when they don't think they will get caught. They can be the worse perpetrators. I have little respect for most police.

[clambake]

I agree, law enforcers do abuse the laws. Generally when they don't think they will get caught. They can be the worse perpetrators. I have little respect for most police.

why is that?