Lakers will still have HCA thru West

[milkshakeballa]

After all this..the Lakers are still going to end up with HCA over the West and probably Boston and Orlando as well.

[BUMP.]

The fucking goods

[WeNeedLength]

Good read. Insightful.

[Frenzy]

Good read. Insightful.

Lol..

[ElNono]

What is 'all this'? :lol

[rayjayjohnson]

HCA stands for Hugely-overweight Center named Andrew, right?

[tdunk21]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[BRHornet45]

lol son you better hope you guys don't draw the Bee's ... the only team in L.A. that I truly fear is the ClipShow.

[Roddy Beaubois]

Lol..

lol...

[HarlemHeat37]

".." is trademarked, tbh..

I've been offered thousands of $ in return for it, I've declined..

[Gutter92]

Harlem, your sig is inspiring...I know people give you shit for that, but honestly, after seeing that earlier today I went to the gym not to hoop, but to work out. Insane how built LeBron is, probably has the best body out of any NBA player (no homo, talking muscular here).

[HarlemHeat37]

Harlem, your sig is inspiring...I know people give you shit for that, but honestly, after seeing that earlier today I went to the gym not to hoop, but to work out. Insane how built LeBron is, probably has the best body out of any NBA player (no homo, talking muscular here).

Ya, Lebron got me into lifting, tbh..inspiring photo, no homosexual..

You know what the deal is though..as I said before, you're a top poster here, potential to be the next Bump IMO..

[Roddy Beaubois]

".." is trademarked, tbh..

I've been offered thousands of $ in return for it, I've declined..

tbh its actually crcs trademark. He uses it after every single one of his post.

[Venti Quattro]

I have been clarified with things that have been bothering me for the past few months. Thanks for the post :cry

[koriwhat]

Harlem, your sig is inspiring...I know people give you shit for that, but honestly, after seeing that earlier today I went to the gym not to hoop, but to work out. Insane how built LeBron is, probably has the best body out of any NBA player (no homo, talking muscular here).


Ya, Lebron got me into lifting, tbh..inspiring photo, no homosexual..

You know what the deal is though..as I said before, you're a top poster here, potential to be the next Bump IMO..

both of yall are homo... you don't have to lie to kick it.

[boutons_deux]

Lakers 6L back in 2nd place with 40 games left.

Laker fucktards' only hope for WC HCA is a lot of injuries to Spurs, which hope would be the usual excellent sportsmanship from Lakers fucktards.

[Killakobe81]

hca matters in the Finals ...doubt we catching Spurs either way ...

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

My predictions have been pretty accurate for awhile now.

Last year, I said the Celtics would make the finals, and even Boston fans disagreed. This year I said the west would be between the Lakers, Spurs, and Mavs, with each having a shot to win it all. Spurs fans disagreed, not feeling the Black and Silver were contenders anymore. Well, that thing called "championship experience" I kept touting is proving me correct. Mavs would be right up there recordwise if they hadn't have lost Dirk for all those games. I thought I saw Butler is hoping to come back. I put Orlando up there with a shot, but they are a wild card now with all the player changes. Bulls may be the third best in east now, and could make some noise in the postseason.

So anyway, barring injuries or an earth shattering trade, it should come down to a WCF between LA and SA, and someone has to get HCA. In the east, Miami and Boston should play the ECF. Who wins those series? HCA will be a plus, but not a lock. Two dogfight series coming. No matter who wins them, the West will be champions. I'll stand by that for now.

Still too much to happen to get a clear picture of who gets HCA. Can all teams stay healthy? Miami may very well win the next two games with Boston, they lost twice early when they hadn't gelled. They haven't played the Spurs yet, and have one with LA at home. Lakers play Boston twice in the next few weeks, and San Antonio 3 more times. Spurs host the Celtics later on. I imagine as each of those games plays out, the fans of each winner will be calling the season over, they win the title.

Reality is, we could have three epic 7 game series to close out the last month of play. This could be one of the greatest finishes to an NBA season, ever.

[Koolaid_Man]

My predictions have been pretty accurate for awhile now.

Last year, I said the Celtics would make the finals, and even Boston fans disagreed. This year I said the west would be between the Lakers, Spurs, and Mavs, with each having a shot to win it all. Spurs fans disagreed, not feeling the Black and Silver were contenders anymore. Well, that thing called "championship experience" I kept touting is proving me correct. Mavs would be right up there recordwise if they hadn't have lost Dirk for all those games. I thought I saw Butler is hoping to come back. I put Orlando up there with a shot, but they are a wild card now with all the player changes. Bulls may be the third best in east now, and could make some noise in the postseason.

So anyway, barring injuries or an earth shattering trade, it should come down to a WCF between LA and SA, and someone has to get HCA. In the east, Miami and Boston should play the ECF. Who wins those series? HCA will be a plus, but not a lock. Two dogfight series coming. No matter who wins them, the West will be champions. I'll stand by that for now.

Still too much to happen to get a clear picture of who gets HCA. Can all teams stay healthy? Miami may very well win the next two games with Boston, they lost twice early when they hadn't gelled. They haven't played the Spurs yet, and have one with LA at home. Lakers play Boston twice in the next few weeks, and San Antonio 3 more times. Spurs host the Celtics later on. I imagine as each of those games plays out, the fans of each winner will be calling the season over, they win the title.

Reality is, we could have three epic 7 game series to close out the last month of play. This could be one of the greatest finishes to an NBA season, ever.


So just for fucks sake let's play this out...lets say SA and Boston advances to the finals...barring injury and assuming both teams are equally healthy...again tell me how in the fuck will SA's front line contend with Boston..Dejauan Blair? and again how in the fuck will SA's inexperienced bench contend with Bostons...and again how in the fuck will Duncan check KG at this point in their careers...Duncan will be too focused on Shaq and Perkins to even see KG coming...now back to it...Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo > Parker, Ginobelli, and the dude that pointed his finger at Kobe...

The only way the West can maintain is if LA advances...If SA does it will hurt the league not be one of the best finals ever..No one outside of SA wants to see SA play..ever again...check my Nielson's ratings post for further proof...:toast

Other than this one...you have good quality takes...no bias for LA...

[Koolaid_Man]

Ya, Lebron got me into lifting, tbh..inspiring photo, no homosexual..

You know what the deal is though..as I said before, you're a top poster here, potential to be the next Bump IMO..


Blackswordsman came out yesterday..you and Gutter might as well stop pretending as well...

You know what get's me inspired to workout....Hot Girls with pretty faces, wonderful asses, nice tits, with a funky attitude....that does it for me...not some gotdamn homo picture of my favorite basketball player in water with his shirt off...

You faggots need to get the fuck on...really...:toast

[tdunk21]

".." is trademarked, tbh..

I've been offered thousands of $ in return for it, I've declined..

lol @ lebron having a loyalty tat........:lmao:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

lol @ lebron having a loyalty tat........:lmao:lmao

Loyalty to family, to friends.

Personal values don't extend to business. I am a very loving man to my family... does it mean I should carry that to my business ventures? Co-workers, business partners?

Don't mix the two. Quit hating on Bron like a little ignorant bitch.

[YoMamaIsCallin]

This is going to be really tough for the Lakers, statistically, to win HCA.

Right now Spurs are 37-7 with 38 games left, Lakers are 32-13 with 37 games left.

Let's pick a bad case and say the Spurs revert to historical form and win only 2/3 of their remaining games, so they go 25-13. That puts them at 62-20 for the season. Even to tie this record the Lakers would need to go 31-6 the rest of the way. That is very, very tough to do. It basically means they can only lose 2 games a month. Is that really going to happen?

I don't see it. The Spurs have too much of a lead. I think the odds against it are 10-1.

[hater]

that would be the only hope Lakers have. Because we all know they never won without HCA...

[Tinystarz]

lol...

lol..

[Rummpd]

It is plausible that the LAL will get the HCA as they play about 5 less back to backs, have 4 less road games left, and have three games left against the Spurs. However, the LAL have a much stronger schedule left otherwise so the Spurs are sitting pretty good with a 6 game margin in the loss column and most likely just need to beat LAL one time to most likely lock up the HCA over them. Honestly, one cannot rule out the LAL making a strong run but the probability is that they will not catch the Spurs and will also expend a lot of energy trying to catch up (although their schedule despite their > SOS has signficantly less BBs, has this year 2 "psuedo" road games vs the Clippers has been a friggin gift from the NBA. The Lakers with an older starting 5 than the Spurs on average get predictably the gift of less back to backs (6 left) again vs an unreal 10 for the Spurs if I am counting right). A confounder is that the 2nd to last game of the season is a back to back for both teams against each other so it could get interesting.

the below was written by ESPN and had the chances a couple of weeks ago of the SAS and LAL winning 70 games and has both schedules side by side and records vs. the Bulls historic year. I still see the Spurs winning 65-66 and the LAL about 61-62 with both having pretty good second halfs of the season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/features/best

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

So just for fucks sake let's play this out...lets say SA and Boston advances to the finals...barring injury and assuming both teams are equally healthy...again tell me how in the fuck will SA's front line contend with Boston..Dejauan Blair? and again how in the fuck will SA's inexperienced bench contend with Bostons...and again how in the fuck will Duncan check KG at this point in their careers...Duncan will be too focused on Shaq and Perkins to even see KG coming...now back to it...Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo > Parker, Ginobelli, and the dude that pointed his finger at Kobe...

The only way the West can maintain is if LA advances...If SA does it will hurt the league not be one of the best finals ever..No one outside of SA wants to see SA play..ever again...check my Nielson's ratings post for further proof...:toast

Other than this one...you have good quality takes...no bias for LA...

Well, I say Spurs take Celtics down if they meet in 2011 finals and there are a number of reasons for it.

First, I believe Spurs will have HCA, and yes, they will need it. Boston has only played 12 games against the west so far, going 8-4. They will collect many more losses. Next, for San Antonio to advance, they likely will have to dethrone the Lakers, who are back to back champions. That's a feather in their cap. The next edge is championship experience, 3 to 1 Spurs, with the big three cores. A sideline will be Tim vs, Shaq for the 5th ring and right to be biggest big man of this era.

I've mentioned this before, but have a look at the Spurs last year. Right at the moment everyone was about to write them off, they closed the regular season quite well. They beat both Orlando and the Cavs at home, and routed both the Lakers and the Celtics on the road. They took Dallas down in round 1 in style. For whatever reasons, they just ran flat against the Suns, a team they traditionally own. Now, I am not saying they beat the Lakers if they get by Phoenix, but if they do, they have HCA vs. Boston and the potential 2011 finals comes up a year early.

I made a thread about Boston vs the other 7 western playoff teams in potential finals:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160527

I picked most teams over Boston, and I have a feeling Spurs fans who didn't pick San Antonio would now. Essentially, Spurs are still on the roll they started last year. The only blemish is that one series with Phoenix.

As far as handling the Boston frontline, remember this. If they advance, this means they also likely handled the Lakers frontline. Perkins is supposed to come back soon, but he may not be effective at all. ACL injuries require a lot of time to recover from. Leon Powe came back last year, but didn't do much. Adam Morrison was never the same player after he tore his. Before, he had some potential. Anyway, Perkins could be kind of like Bynum the last two years; helping, but not near 100%. Of the two O'Neal's, JO is hurt and probably won't be healthy come playoffs, and Shaq is a foul machine. Elsewhere, Boston fans are calling for Nate and Big Baby to get booted. That Celtics bench will get rolled up by the Spurs bench.

Plus, Pop is a better coach than Doc. He'll simply outmanuever him. Bottom line is, we have to wait an see.

[21_Blessings]

Honestly, one cannot rule out the LAL making a strong run but the probability is that they will not catch the Spurs and will also expend a lot of energy trying to catch up


:lmao
The Lakers don't need HCA to beat the Spurs and they (Lakers) know it. They'll continue to coast like they have been all season.

Anyways, a defending champion Spurs team could only win one game against LA in 2008 despite the Lakers having two injured starters. This time around Tim is nowhere near the player he was in 2008 and the Spurs were just swept out of the playoffs in embarrassing fashion by a team that played no defense.

Don't make Kobe and Phil laugh. Lakers in 5-6 with or without HCA.

[BUMP.]

that would be the only hope Lakers have. Because we all know they never won without HCA...

Still not sure why everyone says this

Do people not remember the 2001-02 season?

[nkdlunch]

The possibilities of this are HIGHLY UNLIKELY to VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

If both teams remain healthy and the Spurs close up the season losing to EVERY SINGLE > 50% team, they end up with a record of 58-24

The Lakers would have to up their tempo to about 80% win rate to even catch up and barely pass the Spurs. Something highly impossible since the lakers have been having trouble beating teams such as the Clippers at home.

I also agree the Lakers would have to kill themselves to obtain HCA throughout. While the Spurs easily can get it by coasting the rest of the way.

We all know these Lakers have NEVER won without HCA. So the rest of the season does not bid well for the Lakers I'm afraid.

Their "mini dynasty" will officially be over in a couple of months.

[nkdlunch]

Still not sure why everyone says this

Do people not remember the 2001-02 season?

:lmao comparing the showtime Shaq led lakers to this attrocity of a team.

[nkdlunch]

:lmao
The Lakers don't need HCA to beat the Spurs and they (Lakers) know it.


oh yes they do. and you know it.

[Rummpd]

:lmao
The Lakers don't need HCA to beat the Spurs and they (Lakers) know it. They'll continue to coast like they have been all season.

Anyways, a defending champion Spurs team could only win one game against LA in 2008 despite the Lakers having two injured starters. This time around Tim is nowhere near the player he was in 2008 and the Spurs were just swept out of the playoffs in embarrassing fashion by a team that played no defense.

Don't make Kobe and Phil laugh. Lakers in 5-6 with or without HCA.

Pure B.S. Lakers lack of depth is startling as is the age they are showing on defense. Artest and Fisher showing much more signs of wear and tear and SAS fans can be absolutely confident that the a 20 and 10 Duncan will be there for the Spurs in the playoffs.

Lakers will not and cannot beat a fully healthy Spurs team in a series this year without home court - book that as a lock.

I also trust George Karl's opinion right now more than your's or any other LAL fan on this site - if you were not scarred shitless why all the trolling?
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/nuggets_karl_picks_the_spurs_to_win_it_all/4004085

[21_Blessings]

oh yes they do. and you know it.




Lakers will not and cannot beat a fully healthy Spurs team in a series this year without home court - book that as a lock.

:rollin :rolleyes :rollin

[Rummpd]

:rollin :rolleyes :rollin


That is if the LAL even make the WCF


Even Jackson said he wanted home court as LAL has struggled without it then flips his opinion as the LAL have relatively struggled.

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/11/phil-jackson-lakers-home-court-advantage.html

http://www.lakersnation.com/phil-jackson-says-not-to-worry-about-post-season-seeding/2010/12/29/

Believe me LAL wants the HCA even in the West and you are delusional if you do not think HCA can help the Spurs. The following article is spot on:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/553226-los-angeles-lakers-should-phil-jackson-push-all-in-in-order-to-gain-home-court#page/4

[21_Blessings]

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/11/phil-jackson-lakers-home-court-advantage.html

Phil has your entire franchise/franbase and :pop: completely mind-fucked.

:flag: BELIEVE :flag:

[Rummpd]

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/14052/what-the-lakers-lose-if-they-lose-home-court

HCA matters, see the historical stats, and again you are delusional if you do not think it does:


As a result, Tuesday's game is, particularly by late December standards, pretty massive. Should the Lakers fall six games back of the Spurs (they got hammered by the Spurs!) given the difficulty of their remaining schedule* and the quality displayed by San Antonio this season, it would probably take some sort of backslide from the current conference leaders for L.A. to earn a number one seed come playoff time. Simply playing better, which I think they will, isn't likely to be enough.

The Lakers haven't entered a playoff series without home court advantage in two seasons. Only once during the three Finals runs did they open on the road. Go ask the Celtics how '08 turned out. Drawing a straight line from the lack of home court to losing that series, or from that Lakers team to this year's group, is a mistake, but history says unless they climb out the hole in which they've placed themselves it could make a major difference this spring.

Via ESPN Stats and Information:

SERIES WON BY TEAM WITH HOME-COURT ADVANTAGE, since 1983-84 (when the NBA went to a 16-team format)

First Round: 166-50 (.769)
Conference Semifinals: 85-23 (.787)
Conference Finals: 37-17 (.685)
NBA Finals: 21-6 (.778)

[Koolaid_Man]

Well, I say Spurs take Celtics down if they meet in 2011 finals and there are a number of reasons for it.

[QUOTE]First, I believe Spurs will have HCA, and yes, they will need it. Boston has only played 12 games against the west so far, going 8-4. They will collect many more losses. Next, for San Antonio to advance, they likely will have to dethrone the Lakers, who are back to back champions. That's a feather in their cap. The next edge is championship experience, 3 to 1 Spurs, with the big three cores. A sideline will be Tim vs, Shaq for the 5th ring and right to be biggest big man of this era.

Boston like LA is not overly concerned about the regular season. Are you talking titles or championship experience..if titles then yes Spurs have more than Boston in the last 10 yrs but if you're talking experience don't forget Boston has played in 2 finals without Shaq and if you factor Shaq's experience then Boston has the edge IMO...and let's face it experience really only matters when we're talking non HOF players...KG, Allen, Pierece, Shaq has way more basketball and leadership experience than Parker, Duncan, and Manu, it's not even close in my opinion...they all have lead teams by themselves, so it really does throw the experience argument out the window.

BTW a much more compelling sideline is Kobe vs Shaq. the in-fighting power struggle between these two over the years is in effect what allowed Duncan to get a ring in the first place. :lol...But Kobe v Shaq is where the ratings will be...also Kobe vs Shaq, KG, Allen, and Pierece...if Kobe can beat these guys without another HOF player on his team ( and no Pau isn't right now) he and MJ becomes co-equals immediately...MJ never faced that many HOF'ers with such genuine dislike for each other...


I've mentioned this before, but have a look at the Spurs last year. Right at the moment everyone was about to write them off, they closed the regular season quite well. They beat both Orlando and the Cavs at home, and routed both the Lakers and the Celtics on the road. They took Dallas down in round 1 in style. For whatever reasons, they just ran flat against the Suns, a team they traditionally own. Now, I am not saying they beat the Lakers if they get by Phoenix, but if they do, they have HCA vs. Boston and the potential 2011 finals comes up a year early.

The Spurs getting wrote off and bouncing back really means nothing...all that matters is they got swept. They get no kudos or points for finishing well...they got swept is what's in the records books...if you recall the Lakers are bashed every year for playing every series with the same level of intensity...but in the end they got the job done and that's what counts.



I made a thread about Boston vs the other 7 western playoff teams in potential finals:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160527

I picked most teams over Boston, and I have a feeling Spurs fans who didn't pick San Antonio would now. Essentially, Spurs are still on the roll they started last year. The only blemish is that one series with Phoenix.

In a way you kind of defeat your argument here...now what I mean is that again Spurs played well to end last season as you say but then they got swept after playing so well...you seem to chalk up getting swept as just some weird anomaly... you seem to be repeating the same mistake so many journalists and novice basketball fans make every year..and that's looking and the regular season as the determining factor with teams like Boston and LA...if nothing else the last few seasons should have taught you something...remember Lebron in Cleveland...2x MVP team with the most wins...and failed miserably when it was money time...just think about it...don't let yourself fall into that trap you're too good a poster for that...just say congrats on a good regular season and we'll see you in the play-offs that's it and that's all...


As far as handling the Boston frontline, remember this. If they advance, this means they also likely handled the Lakers frontline. Perkins is supposed to come back soon, but he may not be effective at all. ACL injuries require a lot of time to recover from. Leon Powe came back last year, but didn't do much. Adam Morrison was never the same player after he tore his. Before, he had some potential. Anyway, Perkins could be kind of like Bynum the last two years; helping, but not near 100%. Of the two O'Neal's, JO is hurt and probably won't be healthy come playoffs, and Shaq is a foul machine. Elsewhere, Boston fans are calling for Nate and Big Baby to get booted. That Celtics bench will get rolled up by the Spurs bench.

LA and Boston's front line are not interchangeable auto parts...LA is finesse and Boston is brute hacking monkey strength..SA does have a better shot at beating LA than Boston because of Pau's physical softness at times...but we compensate for that by playing mind games with Pau to get him going...Kobe will remind him his is Euro league MVP and then he kicks it in gear...Also all those knee issues you bring up for Boston don't forget Timmy is right there with them skating on the thin ice...my argument as initially outlined was all things equal and no injuries it hypothetically wouldn't be close...I didn't even talk about how I feel Rondo would abuse Tony...the reason being is Parker is weak defensively...granted Rondo would blow by Fish but Fish's defensive mindset is superior to that of Parker it's totally different and way more experienced..Keep in mind Kobe and Fish have played in 7 finals and won 5...that's no small order...


Plus, Pop is a better coach than Doc. He'll simply outmanuever him. Bottom line is, we have to wait an see.

I will concede this point. :toast

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

For what it's worth, HCA means if a series goes 7 games, you get the finale at home. Having HCA means you have to protect it, few series see the home team winning every game

Let's look at a bit of recent history.

Boston recently played four 7 games series, winning with HCA Atlanta and Cleveland in 2008. Chicago in 2009, and lost to Lakers w/o NCA in 2010. They stole HCA from Cleveland last year, and gave it back. Then they won again in Cleveland and closed it out at home in game 6. They won twice in Orlando, went up 3-0 and had to close it in 6. They stole HCA from the Lakers in 2010, promptly gave it back and the home teams won out. Boston has lost plenty of ECF's in 7 games with HCA. They lost a number more quicker with HCA as well. Check the results from 1972, 1973, 1975, 1980, 1982, 1988, and 2002. They had HCA in all but the latter. Heck they even got swept by the Bucks in 1983 even though they had HCA.

Lakers played two seven game series, with Houston and Boston. Both cases, LA lost once at home, early. Lakers also lost HCA to Denver in 2009, but took it back. For what it's worth, LA did beat Sacramento in 7 games in 2002 w/o HCA. Only Phil, Kobe, and Derek remain from that squad.

Spurs have played, I believe, three 6 game series recently. Won finals in 2005, beat Hornets in 7 w/o HCA in 2008, and lost to Mavs in 2006 w HCA.

Chances are slim for 7 game series. Usually, the team w HCA wins in 5, or loses in 6. Those first 4 games of a series often tell the tale.

[DMC]

My predictions have been pretty accurate for awhile now.

Last year, I said the Celtics would make the finals, and even Boston fans disagreed. This year I said the west would be between the Lakers, Spurs, and Mavs, with each having a shot to win it all. Spurs fans disagreed, not feeling the Black and Silver were contenders anymore. Well, that thing called "championship experience" I kept touting is proving me correct. Mavs would be right up there recordwise if they hadn't have lost Dirk for all those games. I thought I saw Butler is hoping to come back. I put Orlando up there with a shot, but they are a wild card now with all the player changes. Bulls may be the third best in east now, and could make some noise in the postseason.

So anyway, barring injuries or an earth shattering trade, it should come down to a WCF between LA and SA, and someone has to get HCA. In the east, Miami and Boston should play the ECF. Who wins those series? HCA will be a plus, but not a lock. Two dogfight series coming. No matter who wins them, the West will be champions. I'll stand by that for now.

Still too much to happen to get a clear picture of who gets HCA. Can all teams stay healthy? Miami may very well win the next two games with Boston, they lost twice early when they hadn't gelled. They haven't played the Spurs yet, and have one with LA at home. Lakers play Boston twice in the next few weeks, and San Antonio 3 more times. Spurs host the Celtics later on. I imagine as each of those games plays out, the fans of each winner will be calling the season over, they win the title.

Reality is, we could have three epic 7 game series to close out the last month of play. This could be one of the greatest finishes to an NBA season, ever.
tl/dr

Too busy watching your avatar

[Banzai]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/47/itstimetostoppostingCat.jpg (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=2238) please.

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

[QUOTE=Daddy_Of_All_Trolls;4921877]Well, I say Spurs take Celtics down if they meet in 2011 finals and there are a number of reasons for it.



Boston like LA is not overly concerned about the regular season. Are you talking titles or championship experience..if titles then yes Spurs have more than Boston in the last 10 yrs but if you're talking experience don't forget Boston has played in 2 finals without Shaq and if you factor Shaq's experience then Boston has the edge IMO...and let's face it experience really only matters when we're talking non HOF players...KG, Allen, Pierece, Shaq has way more basketball and leadership experience than Parker, Duncan, and Manu, it's not even close in my opinion...they all have lead teams by themselves, so it really does throw the experience argument out the window.

BTW a much more compelling sideline is Kobe vs Shaq. the in-fighting power struggle between these two over the years is in effect what allowed Duncan to get a ring in the first place. :lol...But Kobe v Shaq is where the ratings will be...also Kobe vs Shaq, KG, Allen, and Pierece...if Kobe can beat these guys without another HOF player on his team ( and no Pau isn't right now) he and MJ becomes co-equals immediately...MJ never faced that many HOF'ers with such genuine dislike for each other...



The Spurs getting wrote off and bouncing back really means nothing...all that matters is they got swept. They get no kudos or points for finishing well...they got swept is what's in the records books...if you recall the Lakers are bashed every year for playing every series with the same level of intensity...but in the end they got the job done and that's what counts.




In a way you kind of defeat your argument here...now what I mean is that again Spurs played well to end last season as you say but then they got swept after playing so well...you seem to chalk up getting swept as just some weird anomaly... you seem to be repeating the same mistake so many journalists and novice basketball fans make every year..and that's looking and the regular season as the determining factor with teams like Boston and LA...if nothing else the last few seasons should have taught you something...remember Lebron in Cleveland...2x MVP team with the most wins...and failed miserably when it was money time...just think about it...don't let yourself fall into that trap you're too good a poster for that...just say congrats on a good regular season and we'll see you in the play-offs that's it and that's all...



LA and Boston's front line are not interchangeable auto parts...LA is finesse and Boston is brute hacking monkey strength..SA does have a better shot at beating LA than Boston because of Pau's physical softness at times...but we compensate for that by playing mind games with Pau to get him going...Kobe will remind him his is Euro league MVP and then he kicks it in gear...Also all those knee issues you bring up for Boston don't forget Timmy is right there with them skating on the thin ice...my argument as initially outlined was all things equal and no injuries it hypothetically wouldn't be close...I didn't even talk about how I feel Rondo would abuse Tony...the reason being is Parker is weak defensively...granted Rondo would blow by Fish but Fish's defensive mindset is superior to that of Parker it's totally different and way more experienced..Keep in mind Kobe and Fish have played in 7 finals and won 5...that's no small order...



I will concede this point. :toast

Well, no need to go over everything, but....All I was saying about Spurs last year is hypothetically last year, they would have beaten Boston, that's my opinion, and I carry that over to this year. Much of the hype going to them this year, actually is due to what started happening last year, they started winning consistently and well. Yes, I know Phoenix swept them. Take that out, and you have a team that could have won it all. I checked, Lakers and Spurs played 11 series. LA had HCA in 6 and won them all. SA had HCA in 5 and won 3. Lakers always won if they played in WCF, 4-0; 1982, 1983, 2001, and 2008. SA had HCA in 2001. Throw all that out. It's going to be a war if it happens and a lot of people are going to be right, and a lot wrong. As well as jubilant, or pissed off.

Since you are a Lakers fan, don't worry about getting HCA over Spurs. Worry about HCA over Celtics, because I promise you, they want it if they play LA. Remember, I like the Lakers, but I also like the Spurs. The Wolves should be disbanded. As long as the west wins, and the east doesn't, I'm a happy camper.

Also, I have mentioned this before. If it does come down to a Spurs/Celtics finals, Lakers fans will be rooting for the Silver and Black. No way would they root for Boston, they are within reach of having most titles. Lakers will get that eventually, but they don't want to get farther behind now that they are so close.

[Koolaid_Man]

[QUOTE=Koolaid_Man;4921938]

Well, no need to go over everything, but....All I was saying about Spurs last year is hypothetically last year, they would have beaten Boston, that's my opinion, and I carry that over to this year. Much of the hype going to them this year, actually is due to what started happening last year, they started winning consistently and well. Yes, I know Phoenix swept them. Take that out, and you have a team that could have won it all. I checked, Lakers and Spurs played 11 series. LA had HCA in 6 and won them all. SA had HCA in 5 and won 3. Lakers always won if they played in WCF, 4-0; 1982, 1983, 2001, and 2008. SA had HCA in 2001. Throw all that out. It's going to be a war if it happens and a lot of people are going to be right, and a lot wrong. As well as jubilant, or pissed off.

Since you are a Lakers fan, don't worry about getting HCA over Spurs. Worry about HCA over Celtics, because I promise you, they want it if they play LA. Remember, I like the Lakers, but I also like the Spurs. The Wolves should be disbanded. As long as the west wins, and the east doesn't, I'm a happy camper.

Also, I have mentioned this before. If it does come down to a Spurs/Celtics finals, Lakers fans will be rooting for the Silver and Black. No way would they root for Boston, they are within reach of having most titles. Lakers will get that eventually, but they don't want to get farther behind now that they are so close.

Actually I'm not worried about it all..no matter who we play...in fact I'd rather we not have it because I'm a Laker fan that believes the harder the task the more brighter the glory....I'm not ever going to reduce my teams title chances to HCA...for me it's about guts...and FYI no real Laker fan would ever root for the Spurs..Tim Duncan and Boston in the same fucked up category to us...we'll remain neutral...you don't have to take sides in every debate...it's not about Western Conference...there is no honor in that..Fuck the Spurs and Death to the Celtics... it's about the Lakers period...

[ElNono]

I'm not really concerned about this Lakeshow team. I don't think they'll even make it to the WCF, tbh.
They might be able to pull out an upset in the first round against Utah or Portland, but I don't really see them getting too much further ahead if MVPau doesn't revert to last season's level.

At this point, the Spurs should be keeping an eye on Boston and Miami in the rearview mirror, to ensure they get HCA throughout.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

:cry quit hating on my man :cry

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm not really concerned about this Lakeshow team. I don't think they'll even make it to the WCF, tbh.
They might be able to pull out an upset in the first round against Utah or Portland, but I don't really see them getting too much further ahead if MVPau doesn't revert to last season's level.

At this point, the Spurs should be keeping an eye on Boston and Miami in the rearview mirror, to ensure they get HCA throughout.


exactly to my point...:lol novice and inexperienced fans....the Spurs have given you a reason to believe the regular is where it's at....go ahead who am I to take aware your 15 minutes of fame...:lol enjoy it man the Spurs have played hard thus far this season...Laker fans can't have all the glory all the time especially if we're winning titles every year...

[21_Blessings]

I'm not really concerned about this Lakeshow team. I don't think they'll even make it to the WCF, tbh.

At this point, the Spurs should be keeping an eye on Boston and Miami in the rearview mirror, to ensure they get HCA throughout.

So are you going to accept the ELE or not? Since you're so confident and all.

[Venti Quattro]

I guess the feeling is mutual. I don't fear the Spurs at all. The Lakers can take them anytime they want to. Non-issue

Classy spurfans are laughing at Bynum but deep inside they're all going to wet their pants when they get Drew.

[ElNono]

So are you going to accept the ELE or not? Since you're so confident and all.

I don't know yet. We have a couple of guys dinged up right now, plus I thought the regular season didn't matter? :lol

I have tickets for the game on the 14 against the Nets, and I'd like to post upstairs. Maybe we can work something out, maybe restrict it to the NBA forum...

I'll think about it and get back to you.

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't know yet. We have a couple of guys dinged up right now, plus I thought the regular season didn't matter? :lol

I have tickets for the game on the 14 against the Nets, and I'd like to post upstairs. Maybe we can work something out, maybe restrict it to the NBA forum...

I'll think about it and get back to you.


you talk mad shit to be such a big pussy...your funds low or what? :lol

[21_Blessings]

I guess the feeling is mutual. I don't fear the Spurs at all. The Lakers can take them anytime they want to. Non-issue

Classy spurfans are laughing at Bynum but deep inside they're all going to wet their pants when they get Drew.

http://i52.tinypic.com/24fcu2v.jpg

[ElNono]

exactly to my point...:lol novice and inexperienced fans....the Spurs have given you a reason to believe the regular is where it's at....go ahead who am I to take aware your 15 minutes of fame...:lol enjoy it man the Spurs have played hard thus far this season...Laker fans can't have all the glory all the time especially if we're winning titles every year...

Don't hate bro, I'm just the messenger. It's not like our team never won it all and doesn't know what it takes.

Like I said, if MVPau can flip a switch and can carry the team again during the playoffs like the last couple of seasons, then the Lakeshow might have a shot at reaching the WCF.

Unfortunately, he's going to have to carry a lot of baggage, including father time Fish, a non-existent bench, bone-in-bone Kome, and a single digit center with a weak knee. But Pau has shown he can be a warrior when he's fresh.

[ElNono]

you talk mad shit to be such a big pussy...your funds low or what? :lol

This is an ELE, no funds involved. It's just inconvenient timing for me.

DD can testify (when he gets back) that I stand by my bets and don't welch. We had a $200 bet last season for an eventual Lakeshow-Spurs playoffs series that eventually didn't pan out, and we had that shit set up many months before.

Now, if you're looking for welchers you should pull a mirror.

[Venti Quattro]

Betting with funds online is hard, because you can easily be welched online

[ElNono]

Bynum is the 'sounds good' type of player. He's 7 foot, he's supposedly rugged, he's physical, he's young, he's got a post game, he can block shots. He sounds really good.

Then you look at his actual production, and it's very pedestrian... lol 7/7 ecstasy

[Venti Quattro]

Maybe you'd like to understand the Lakers team dynamic before you write shit about Drew. When you have guys Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on a championship-contending team, you're going to be lucky to even average 7/7. So far, Drew is averaging:

11 ppg
7.5 rpg
1.8 bpg
57.3% fg

Solid numbers for a starting center. Dejuan Blair can't even average 10 points and at least 7 rebounds. But it's okay, Blair owned Drew in one fluke game :lmao

[easy7]

"There are no welchers online..."
Signed Crickets

[ElNono]

Maybe you'd like to understand the Lakers team dynamic before you write shit about Drew. When you have guys Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom on a championship-contending team, you're going to be lucky to even average 7/7. So far, Drew is averaging:

11 ppg
7.5 rpg
1.8 bpg
57.3% fg

Solid numbers for a starting center. Dejuan Blair can't even average 10 points and at least 7 rebounds. But it's okay, Blair owned Drew in one fluke game :lmao

Well, not really. Since the Lakers bench is incredibly thin, especially on the frontcourt, you guys basically have a 3 big man rotation (Bynum, Gasol, Odom). You would think that would give Bynum more opportunities, but he's been riding the bench quite a bit lately, especially closing out games. For some of the claims heard here about him, you would think he would be a force.

Don't get me wrong: I think he's a decent player. He just has the potential to be a force, but it just hasn't happened so far.

The Spurs have a different dynamic too. We go 4 deep with the bigs (Duncan/Dice/Blair/Bonner), even though Bonner only plays the big role on defense. We also play some small ball, so again, I don't think you would be comparing apples-to-apples in that department.

[ElNono]

tbh, I almost feel bad trolling you Venti... :lol

Like Banzai, you're still one of a few level-headed Lakerfans around these places... :toast

:lol

[Venti Quattro]

Bynum is not closing out games because Phil likes to go flexible in close games. He did this a lot in 2008 with a 3-guard lineup to finish close games. But he has been a lot to the team since his return. Sure, the defense isn't really set yet but him being there means and helps a lot

[Koolaid_Man]

This is an ELE, no funds involved. It's just inconvenient timing for me.

DD can testify (when he gets back) that I stand by my bets and don't welch. We had a $200 bet last season for an eventual Lakeshow-Spurs playoffs series that eventually didn't pan out, and we had that shit set up many months before.

Now, if you're looking for welchers you should pull a mirror.


Now that I have my privileges let's setup some bets through Kori Ellis using Pay Pal....I'll prove to you that I'm out of your league...how much you want me to throw at you? :lol

[ElNono]

Bynum is not closing out games because Phil likes to go flexible in close games. He did this a lot in 2008 with a 3-guard lineup to finish close games. But he has been a lot to the team since his return. Sure, the defense isn't really set yet but him being there means and helps a lot

Like I said, I think he's extremely overrated here. Looking at the record, he had basically no impact (17-7 without him, 15-6 with him back).

I think he's a good player. You just have to wonder what's really holding him back.

[history2b]

Betting with funds online is hard, because you can easily be welched online

Ain't that the truth!

TipsytheLurker, Spurs fan extraordinaire owes TruthTella2, Laker fan, $1000.00 USD over the Lakers-Celtics Finals this past year.

Spurs fans and bet welching go hand in hand.:lmao

[ElNono]

Now that I have my privileges let's setup some bets through Kori Ellis using Pay Pal....I'll prove to you that I'm out of your league...how much you want me to throw at you? :lol

I don't bet with known welchers.

[history2b]

I don't bet with known welchers.


Bullshit.

You don't have the funds. Man up and admit the truth.

[Koolaid_Man]

I don't bet with known welchers.


Kori will hold the money in her account and release it to the winner...you down with that?

[ElNono]

Bullshit.

You don't have the funds. Man up and admit the truth.

:lol GTFO kid... grown man talking here...

[ElNono]

Kori will hold the money in her account and release it to the winner...you down with that?

What part of "I don't bet with known welchers" you don't understand? :lol

I might take up another bet with DD if he's game. We'll see when he comes back.

[21_Blessings]

I don't know yet. We have a couple of guys dinged up right now, plus I thought the regular season didn't matter? :lol

I have tickets for the game on the 14 against the Nets, and I'd like to post upstairs. Maybe we can work something out, maybe restrict it to the NBA forum...

:lol Does your 17 a day really mean that much to ya? It's ok if you think the Spurs are going to lose. I understand the hesitation.

[Koolaid_Man]

What part of "I don't bet with known welchers" you don't understand? :lol

I might take up another bet with DD if he's game. We'll see when he comes back.

ok...chicken shit...:lol rub that clit of yours for me...

[ElNono]

ok...chicken shit...:lol rub that clit of yours for me...

:lol go find another sucker to welch on... like you have any credibility left :lol

[j.dizzle]

Splitter scares the shit out of me tbh. Pop is just hiding him right now & will unleash that monster in the playoffs.

[ElNono]

:lol Does your 17 a day really mean that much to ya? It's ok if you think the Spurs are going to lose. I understand the hesitation.

Does the regular season mean that much to you? :lol
Unlike you, I contribute in other places in this forum besides this cesspool.

I'll post an ELE with my conditions before the game, and I'm sure I'll find somebody to take it. Maybe it will be you, maybe it won't be you. I don't give a shit :lol

[Venti Quattro]

Splitter scares the shit out of me tbh. Pop is just hiding him right now & will unleash that monster in the playoffs.

That too. Right now he's the savior of seats in the Spurs bench but the WC has shown what he can do. He's a guy that the Spurs can use for a grind it out playoff game. CIA Pop must be up to something

[21_Blessings]

I'll post an ELE with my conditions before the game, and I'm sure I'll find somebody to take it. Maybe it will be you, maybe it won't be you. I don't give a shit :lol

If your vagina needs the ELE to be NBA forum restricted then that's fine. I'd rather have it in place ahead of time... unless you're not really confident in your team.

[ElNono]

Let's put it this way:

Splitter = 5th big.
Luke Walton = 4th big.

Better pray Andrew's knee holds up... :lol

[history2b]

What part of "I don't have any money" you don't understand? :lol

I might take up another bet with DD if he's game. We'll see when he comes back.


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ElNono]

If your vagina needs the ELE to be NBA forum restricted then that's fine. I'd rather have it in place ahead of time... unless you're not really confident in your team.

I'll give you options, and we'll set it up now. Your choice:

1) Whole forum for a week
2) NBA forum for a month

Either works well for me...

[Venti Quattro]

Artest or Caracter will get burn time at the 4 before Nuke Walton ever graces the court with his basketball IQ. Then any of the three can slide to center. Ratliff... lol just retire

[ElNono]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

You might want to start a thread with that thought... oh wait, nevermind

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Koolaid_Man]

:lmao:lmao:lmao


hotdam that's some ice Kold shit history...:lmao

[ElNono]

Artest or Caracter will get burn time at the 4 before Nuke Walton ever graces the court with his basketball IQ. Ratliff... lol just retire

That's what y'all keep saying, but Phil is happy to grace you all with Luke...

[ElNono]

hotdam that's some ice Kold shit history...:lmao

Don't be butthurt bro. If you wouldn't have welched before, we might actually have a bet in place now. Think about that that before welching again next time. :lol

[history2b]

You might want to start a thread with that thought... oh wait, nevermind

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Don't need to.

I can rip on you in any thread.:lmao

[ElNono]

Don't need to.

I can cry in any thread.:cry:cry:cry

That's all you do, tbh

[21_Blessings]

1) Whole forum for a week

:lol


2) NBA forum for a month
.

Sounds good.

[ElNono]

Sounds good.

Allright, we're set. ELE is for the NBA forum and ends on March 3 midnight...

Good luck, you're going to need it... :lol

[history2b]

That's all you do, tbh


Maybe Kool will let you pay with food stamps. It's worth a shot.

[ElNono]

:cry:cry:cry Maybe Kool will let you pay with food stamps. :cry:cry:cry

Why so sad? :lol

[history2b]

Why so sad? :lol



:sleep

[ElNono]

:sleep

:jack

[Daddy_Of_All_Trolls]

LMAO at all the fighting here. Look, you can predict who will win the west, and the title, but no one will know until the playoffs get going. In the west, the Lakers and Spurs have every reason to be confident, and even more so if they hold HCA, but it all comes down to who proves they are the better team. If both are healthy, it's going to be a war. These are the two teams that absolutely shit all over the league since MJ left, winning 9 of 12 titles. Boston or Miami won't be easy for the winner, but I believe the west will prevail. Boston ran on fumes in game 7 last June. Had Bryant and Bynum been 100%, Lakers sweep them. Miami is still too green to win it all.

[Koolaid_Man]

LMAO at all the fighting here. Look, you can predict who will win the west, and the title, but no one will know until the playoffs get going. In the west, the Lakers and Spurs have every reason to be confident, and even more so if they hold HCA, but it all comes down to who proves they are the better team. If both are healthy, it's going to be a war. These are the two teams that absolutely shit all over the league since MJ left, winning 9 of 12 titles. Boston or Miami won't be easy for the winner, but I believe the west will prevail. Boston ran on fumes in game 7 last June. Had Bryant and Bynum been 100%, Lakers sweep them. Miami is still too green to win it all.


I have no issue with your POV...however, remember one team went back to back for a title and the other one got swept...so the basis for one teams fans to be confident is understood while the basis for the other team fans being confident is misplaced and highly confusing...

[BoricuaCJA]

I have no issue with your POV...however, remember one team went back to back for a title and the other one got swept...so the basis for one teams fans to be confident is understood while the basis for the other team fans being confident is misplaced and highly confusing...

Last season is last season, if teams and fans always act like their team is like last years even with improvement in their roster/strategy, then the NBA would have the same results with it becoming stale. Were confident because our team is playing really well, actually have our big 3 healthy for the first time in years, and we even dominated the defending champion in the first meet up of the year.



Now I think whoever gets HCA, will win the NBA championship. Wether it's Boston, Spurs, or LA.

[Koolaid_Man]

Last season is last season, if teams and fans always act like their team is like last years even with improvement in their roster/strategy, then the NBA would have the same results with it becoming stale. Were confident because our team is playing really well, actually have our big 3 healthy for the first time in years, and we even dominated the defending champion in the first meet up of the year.



Now that my team is playing well and has the best record in the NBA. I conveniently think that whoever gets HCA, will win the NBA championship. Wether it's Boston, Spurs, or LA.



fify....

[Rummpd]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-heisler-20110123,0,6142085.column?page=3&track=rss

"Even with Andrew, they have yet to show their best makes them as good as the Celtics, Heat, Spurs or Mavericks, none of whom they've beaten.

4. The regular season doesn't mean anything to the Lakers.

Unfortunately for them, this one got more meaningful when it became clear things have changed."


Fair and balanced article.

[cobbler]

Betting with funds online is hard, because you can easily be welched online

It has nothing to do with being online. You are either an honorable person with integrity or you are not.

[cobbler]

I'm not really concerned about this Lakeshow team.

...yet you make more Laker related posts than most the Laker fans combined.

I'd say you are most definetly concerned. Your winning % against the Lakers "lifetime" in the playoffs is as bad as that Kobe single game game shoothing % you post ad nasuim as a collosal failure. :lol

[ezau]

I have no issue with your POV...however, remember one team went back to back for a title and the other one got swept...so the basis for one teams fans to be confident is understood while the basis for the other team fans being confident is misplaced and highly confusing...:cry:cry:cry

[ElNono]

...yet you make more Laker related posts than most the Laker fans combined.

I'd say you are most definetly concerned. Your winning % against the Lakers "lifetime" in the playoffs is as bad as that Kobe single game game shoothing % you post ad nasuim as a collosal failure. :lol

:lol Another catch!!!

tbh, I rarely, if ever, start a thread about the Lakers. I just happen to hit a nerve with some Lakeshow posters here, and so the back and forth in the conversations sometimes tend to be extensive.

Now, as far as your "historical winning %", nobody gives a shit.
Playoffs are not decided on "previous historical records" or some bs like that. This Lakers team is what it is, and it's certainly not last season's Lakers team. Same applies to the Spurs, and a bunch of other teams, like the Mavs, Hornets, etc.

[cobbler]

:lol Another catch!!!

tbh, I rarely, if ever, start a thread about the Lakers. I just happen to hit a nerve with some Lakeshow posters here, and so the back and forth in the conversations sometimes tend to be extensive.

Now, as far as your "historical winning %", nobody gives a shit.
Playoffs are not decided on "previous historical records" or some bs like that. This Lakers team is what it is, and it's certainly not last season's Lakers team. Same applies to the Spurs, and a bunch of other teams, like the Mavs, Hornets, etc.

Correct... with all the bad press and the horrible horrible way the Lakers have played through the first half coasting and all... they are 2 games off pace as last years team and 3 games out of finals HCA. Time to blow it up i guess. :lol Spurs have had a great first half and concrats on that accomplishment.