TNT crew "Duncan/Shaq, not Kobe best of decade"

[DMC]

http://www.nba.com/alldecade/vote13/

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

[DMC]

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

Robert Horry 7, retired a Spur....

[Giuseppe]

Kobe sent the word ahead last June 17th.

Just like that.

[Chris]

Kobe sans Daddy: 2
Duncan sans Davy: 2
saavy?

[Giuseppe]

Still & all:

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

[ButtHurt Committee]

So, Lakers are team of the decade and Kobe is player of the decade. Makes sense to me.

[jeebus]

Robert Horry 7, retired a Spur....
Place him on ignore. 3/4s of his posts are about skunks and numbers.

[DMC]

(21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks)

When did Kobe have those numbers?

Hint: It was in a Finals game...

[silverblk mystix]

kobe was the best player of the decade...




















among RAPISTS....

[DMC]

You mean rap artists.... right?

[Giuseppe]

Place him on ignore. 3/4s of his posts are about skunks and numbers.

lmvictoriousao!

It'll never end.

[Chris]

Kobe rapedPERIOD

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 3 back-to-backs

Duncan: bereft of back-to-backs

[Giuseppe]

Kobe rapedPERIOD

Your Neal too.

tee, hee.

[ezau]

Horry 7 and he was a Spur!!

Therefore: Horry>Kobe

[Chris]

Duncan: 3 finals MVP
Kobe: 2 finals MVP and a sexual assault on a motel employee

[Giuseppe]

Duncan: 3 finals MVP
Kobe: 2 finals MVP and a sexual assault on a motel employee

Your Neal though ain't no better. Tore that ass up when the girl was bent over vomiting.

That's your guy, Chris.

But, it wasn't your girl, or, your mother, or, your sister.

So, it don't matter.

Let us proceed...

[Giuseppe]

Horry 7 and he was a Spur!!

Therefore: Horry>Kobe

You can have it.

I'll take:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Kenny '' Kobe will be the best player until the next 5 years'', looks like it was shorter than that.
tee,hee

[Giuseppe]

Swords!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sweetheart!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pumpkinpuss!!!!!!!!!!!!

Give old Cubby two or three words that'll change me life.

[Chris]

Gary Neal: One rape allegation with an acquittal
Bone on Bone: One rape admittance with a settlement out of court and a public apology

[Giuseppe]

Gary Neal: One rape allegation with an acquittal
Bone on Bone: One rape admittance with a settlement out of court and a public apology

+ it wasn't like either girl amounted to a hill a beans, eh, tights?

Just in the way.

tee, hee.

[Jelloisjigglin]

So, Lakers are team of the decade and Kobe is player of the decade. Makes sense to me.

[ezau]

Gary Neal: One rape allegation with an acquittal
Bone on Bone: One rape admittance with a settlement out of court and a public apology

Makes you wonder how much Vanessa will make if she files for divorce. When everything is said and done when Kobe is no longer the celebrity that he is, that bitch will file for divorce and take more than half of Kobe's wealth. tee, hee

[Chris]

+ it wasn't like either girl amounted to a hill a beans, eh, tights?

Just in the way.

tee, hee.

True, but the latter had much more to lose imo. Both have permanent shit stains in their fruit of the looms.

[ElNono]

:lol too much butthurt in this thread over the opinion of the TNT crew...

Kobe is a phenomenal player that was unfortunate to play during the Shaq/Duncan/Lebron eras. The fact that he rode Shaq for 3 ships will always cast a shade on his legacy.
It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. He's not the first player to be overshadowed by truly dominant stars. I doubt he'll be the last.

[Chris]

Makes you wonder how much Vanessa will make if she files for divorce. When everything is said and done when Kobe is no longer the celebrity that he is, that bitch will file for divorce and take more than half of Kobe's wealth. tee, hee

I WANT HALF!:lmao

SniOXFhwIZ8

[mindcrime]

Gary Neal: One rape allegation with an acquittal
Bone on Bone: One rape admittance with a settlement out of court and a public apology

:rollin

[Jelloisjigglin]

:lol too much butthurt in this thread over the opinion of the TNT crew...

Kobe is a phenomenal player that was unfortunate to play during the Shaq/Duncan/Lebron eras. The fact that he rode Shaq for 3 ships will always cast a shade on his legacy.
It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. He's not the first player to be overshadowed by truly dominant stars. I doubt he'll be the last.


lol that's a shitload of supposed "eras" tbh

[Tp9gospursgo]

Kobe wouldn't have those first 3 titles if it weren't for Shaq.

[ezau]

Scottie Pippen of this generation TBH.

[ElNono]

lol that's a shitload of supposed "eras" tbh

tbh, that 'delete post/repost' move was kinda weak. :lol

[Jelloisjigglin]

tbh, that 'delete post/repost' move was kinda weak. :lol


You didn't fucking see nothing :lol

[ElNono]

:lol

[Giuseppe]

^Yep. Wasn't like it was your mother or sister, Chris.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe wouldn't have those first 3 titles if it weren't for Shaq.

But, Kobe does have those first 3 titles. That's how comes it's:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Yeah, you cocknockers were livin' high on the hog at Duncan: 4 & Kobe: 3.

Not anymore.

[DPG21920]

But, Kobe does have those first 3 titles. That's how comes it's:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Yeah, you cocknockers were livin' high on the hog at Duncan: 4 & Kobe: 3.

Not anymore.

How you can even show your face after The Extinction is beyond me. You put it all on the line and you lost it. Along with it, your privileges around here.

You are extinct.

[ElNono]

Culby, you old cuckold. Katie-girl finally let go of the leash? or you have a part-time job?

[Giuseppe]

Culby, you old cuckold. Katie-girl finally let go of the leash? or you have a part-time job?

I caught a break. She had to go down to Tucson this afternoon for work. Won't be back till Saturday afternoon! I had to pack her suitcase and take it down to her today so she could leave without backtracking.

I'm gonna party my ass off all week. Swords is comin' over and we're gonna sit under my bed for a change.

[DPG21920]

You are extinct though, so none of that matters. All that matters is you tried your best and failed. The end result: The Extinction.

[Pero]

LOL at Princess James being second.

[redzero]

Wait, I'm lost. How many rings do Kobe and Timmy have?

[DMC]

What do you expect when the fans vote? It's right on par with how the takes here generally go.

[ElNono]

I caught a break. She had to go down to Tucson this afternoon for work. Won't be back till Saturday afternoon! I had to pack her suitcase and take it down to her today so she could leave without backtracking.

I'm gonna party my ass off all week. Swords is comin' over and we're gonna sit under my bed for a change.

Sounds like a plan. :tu

[DMC]

Wait, I'm lost. How many rings do Kobe and Timmy have?
I am thinking Kobe has 6 rings.

3 from Shaq

2 from Pau

1 heaRING from the criminal justice system.

[Giuseppe]

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[DesignatedT]

just a terrible poll. the general public is seriously clueless. Lebron James is 2nd on that poll at 17% :lmao at that choke artist.

[Killakobe81]

Ok so I guess if TNT folks are golden Spurs are the 2nd best team in Texas ... LOL

Taking the TNT crew at their word ... ROFL ..

Chuck: "i bet everything i have. No way Cavs are losing (fixed) to the Celtics. Lebron is a stud." ROFL ..chuck the prophet.

[DPG21920]

Boiled down:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

Uh uh. Not on my watch. You are extinct and have no place. None.

[TheMACHINE]

So, Lakers are team of the decade and Kobe is player of the decade. Makes sense to me.

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/LMAOxROFL/tie0708_white_1200x900.jpg

[Killakobe81]

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/LMAOxROFL/tie0708_white_1200x900.jpg

LOL Make one for Duncan too ...

Greatest player of a half century ... in the 2000's ...

[Giuseppe]

I remember when we had that discussion about when the decade actually began & ended. That idiot Chump Dumper was citing Galileo in Wikipedia.

[Killakobe81]

I remember when we had that discussion about when the decade actually began & ended. That idiot Chump Dumper was citing Galileo in Wikipedia.

LOL that was hilarious whatever happened to that prick?

[DMC]

LOL that was hilarious whatever happened to that prick?
Locked up by the church last I heard...

[Killakobe81]

Locked up by the church last I heard...

LOL
I bet 75% of this forum did not get it ...kudos!

[DMC]

Ok so I guess if TNT folks are golden Spurs are the 2nd best team in Texas ... LOL

That was just Charles, and the others disagreed. He still could be right though. Had Dirk and Butler not gone down, they could be leading the league right now.


Taking the TNT crew at their word ... ROFL ..
Taking MJ at his.... ROFL

I'll take EJ over any player's word.


Chuck: "i bet everything i have. No way Cavs are beating the Celtics. Lebron is a stud." ROFL ..chuck the prophet.No way the Cavs are beating the Celtics? Sounds right to me.

[DMC]

LOL
I bet 75% of this forum did not get it ...kudos!

You know Chump Dumper did, he researched it! :)

I actually laughed before I posted it... (money is in the mail for that opening btw).

[Yorae]

RapeCount:

Kobe:1 (Mentor: MJ (http://www.hoopsnotes.com/teams/lalakers/kobe-bryant-mentored-by-michael-jackson/))
Neal:1(Mentor:ZOD)

[jeebus]

Locked up by the church last I heard...
:lol:lol And that's the end of the thread

[Cant_Be_Faded]

horry >>>>>>>>>> kolby

[DMC]

Dewayne Schintzus > Pau

[lefty]

Luc Longley > Pau

[Rummpd]

That is so true and consistent with SI as Duncan as player of the decade ( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/03/nba.highlights.lowlights/index.html )- revisionists of NBA history talk about Kobe dominating the decade when he was:

1) not considered even the best player on his team for 3-4 years and at only widely regarded as the best player in the league less than 1/3 of the decade (at best).
2) had his team miss the playoffs without Shaq
3) did not return his team to the finals sans one of the most nebulous trades in NBA history with Gasol/Odom/Bynum all coming on strong.
4) career and playoff records both trail on percentage basis Duncan's.
5) never was considered a player who made others better until late in his career and even that is somewhat debatable vs. Duncan's wide acclaim in that regard.

It is either Shaq or Duncan (the consensus best players on 6 of the decades title teams) - Bryant does not deserve serious consideration.

SI made the right call:

PLAYER OF THE DECADE: Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
The greatest power forward in NBA history, Duncan was the reason San Antonio became the only team to make the playoffs every year of the decade. He was the most valuable team player of his era, an active defender who chased pick-and-rolls out to the three-point line and yet hustled back to protect the rim and control the boards. Offensively, the Spurs played through him as a passer in the post, and his dependable mid-range jumper off the backboard will be part of his highlight reel when he checks into Springfield.

[Giuseppe]

Fine, you turdhounds can have Best of the Decade. I'm taking:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

[ChrisRichards]

that is so true and consistent with si as duncan as player of the decade ( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/03/nba.highlights.lowlights/index.html )- revisionists of nba history talk about kobe dominating the decade when he was:

1) not considered even the best player on his team for 3-4 years and at only widely regarded as the best player in the league less than 1/3 of the decade (at best).
2) had his team miss the playoffs without shaq
3) did not return his team to the finals sans one of the most nebulous trades in nba history with gasol/odom/bynum all coming on strong.
4) career and playoff records both trail on percentage basis duncan's.
5) never was considered a player who made others better until late in his career and even that is somewhat debatable vs. Duncan's wide acclaim in that regard.

It is either shaq or duncan (the consensus best players on 6 of the decades title teams) - bryant does not deserve serious consideration.

Si made the right call:

Player of the decade: Tim duncan, san antonio spurs
the greatest power forward in nba history, duncan was the reason san antonio became the only team to make the playoffs every year of the decade. He was the most valuable team player of his era, an active defender who chased pick-and-rolls out to the three-point line and yet hustled back to protect the rim and control the boards. Offensively, the spurs played through him as a passer in the post, and his dependable mid-range jumper off the backboard will be part of his highlight reel when he checks into springfield.

+1

[ChrisRichards]

Fine, you turdhounds can have Best of the Decade. I'm taking:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4
Kobe as the 1st option=2

Duncan as the 1st option=4

Shaq as the 1st option=3

Simple math there Culby.

[Killakobe81]

That is so true and consistent with SI as Duncan as player of the decade ( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/03/nba.highlights.lowlights/index.html )- revisionists of NBA history talk about Kobe dominating the decade when he was:

1) not considered even the best player on his team for 3-4 years and at only widely regarded as the best player in the league less than 1/3 of the decade (at best).
2) had his team miss the playoffs without Shaq
3) did not return his team to the finals sans one of the most nebulous trades in NBA history with Gasol/Odom/Bynum all coming on strong.
4) career and playoff records both trail on percentage basis Duncan's.
5) never was considered a player who made others better until late in his career and even that is somewhat debatable vs. Duncan's wide acclaim in that regard.

It is either Shaq or Duncan (the consensus best players on 6 of the decades title teams) - Bryant does not deserve serious consideration.

SI made the right call:

PLAYER OF THE DECADE: Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
The greatest power forward in NBA history, Duncan was the reason San Antonio became the only team to make the playoffs every year of the decade. He was the most valuable team player of his era, an active defender who chased pick-and-rolls out to the three-point line and yet hustled back to protect the rim and control the boards. Offensively, the Spurs played through him as a passer in the post, and his dependable mid-range jumper off the backboard will be part of his highlight reel when he checks into Springfield.

LOL of course you can make an argument for any of the 3 but shaq would be the one taken out if you were gonna make a credible argument. Kobe won titles in the Pippen/McHale/Worthy role and in the MJ/Duncan/Shaq role. Yes he had help all champions do. His career arc is most like Magic's TBH ...

For the first few titles even though Magic was the catalyst Kareem was the star (scoring/rebounding/clutch) for the Lakers ... (much like shaq minus the clutch)

then starting in '85 but ESPECIALLY by the back to back titles, Magic's role shifted and he was the Alpha male of those teams. Despite this Magic was still named the player of the decade by Sporting News etc. Factoring ALL of his rings ...

The last decade was not dominated by one team so I can see why votes are split. Shaq was the most dominating early duncan in the middle. But there was only player winning titles to start and close the decade. That is why Kobe is the choice. But I respect the duncan argument not shaq he is third ...

if decade ended in 2006 it would of been shaq first, Tim 2nd and kobe Third ...

[Killakobe81]

S.I. had their vote: Duncan
Snews: Kobe

Besides TNT analysts who chose Shaq?

[Jt.ONE]

lol lebron james being there

guy only has 7 years of this decade.

hype never dies.

[Jt.ONE]

KG being last on that list made me a little disappointed

[jjktkk]

Fine, you turdhounds can have Best of the Decade. I'm taking:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

:wakeup In other words you can't dispute facts, so go with the old cully one liner.

[Rummpd]

Shaq won titles with 2 teams even though Wade was the key factor he has a legit claim as well IMO. He still averaged 19 and 9 on the title team so he had 3 titles as the primary man and 1 as the 2nd. Kobe had 3 titles as 2nd, 1-2 as first. Duncan had either 3-4 as the primary man depending on how you count the decade. Duncan and Shaq had three finals MVPs and Duncan also had two MVPs with Shaq winning in 99-00 and Bryant in 07-8

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_mvp.html


http://www.nba.com/history/finalsmvps.html

(Notice how the site defends Kobe's selection for the finals MVP without mentioning he shot 6 for 24 - Shaq's 2002 performance was unreal as was Duncan's 2003 performance, especially his near quadruple double in the clincher.)

Honestly even Bryant has a case but his is by far the weakest as I do not believe either a Shaq led or Duncan led team or even any team they have been on has missed the playoffs. However from 00-01 -09-10 Bryant did to be fair have more first team NBA selections but also one 2nd and one 3rd team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#1988.E2.80.9389_to_present

Bryant 8/1/1 Shaq 6/0/1 Duncan 6/3/1

However if you chose to start the decade with 99-00 then Duncan and Shaq each pick up one more first place selection and Kobe was not selected and Kobe drops back into a tie with them with 7 first place votes for that distinctioni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#1988.E2.80.9389_to_present


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/12/31/does-2011-start-a-new-decade.html

[Giuseppe]

:wakeup In other words you can't dispute facts, so go with the old cully one liner.

Exactly.

Would you switch with me if you could, jj? Say Duncan & Daddy were ahead of Kobe:::

Duncan & Daddy: 5

Kobe: 4

And the TNT crew gave Kobe best of the decade designation.

That's what I thought. Most of the time on querys just switch it and you'll be right as the mail.

[jjktkk]

Exactly.

Would you switch with me if you could, jj? Say Duncan & Daddy were ahead of Kobe:::

Duncan & Daddy: 5

Kobe: 4

And the TNT crew gave Kobe best of the decade designation.

That's what I thought. Most of the time on querys just switch it and you'll be right as the mail.

No, i would never switch with you. Loyal till the end. No speculation needed.

[Giuseppe]

:rolleyes

[Rummpd]

http://www.breakingglobalnews.com/nba-player-of-the-decade/1222043

Fan vote but Charles said then:

Charles Barkley was outspoken in his defence of O’Neal – ‘That just really shows you fans don’t know anything’.

Kenny Smith added ‘From the middle of the decade to the end’ Kobe probably was the best player, but he agreed with Barkley that Shaq was the player of the decade.

For me it is either Shaq and/or Duncan based on the fact they were the alpha dogs on the most championship teams but to each his own. TNT in its popularity contest picked Kobe as did the Sporting News.

http://ddobbsbasketball.com/2009/12/24/nba-decade-in-review-00-09s-top-10/

Another view that put Duncan > Kobe > Shaq.

[Ashy Larry]

Shaq won titles with 2 teams even though Wade was the key factor he has a legit claim as well IMO. He still averaged 19 and 9 on the title team so he had 3 titles as the primary man and 1 as the 2nd. Kobe had 3 titles as 2nd, 1-2 as first. Duncan had either 3-4 as the primary man depending on how you count the decade. Duncan and Shaq had three finals MVPs and Duncan also had two MVPs with Shaq winning in 99-00 and Bryant in 07-8

http://www.nba.com/history/awards_mvp.html


http://www.nba.com/history/finalsmvps.html

(Notice how the site defends Kobe's selection for the finals MVP without mentioning he shot 6 for 24 - Shaq's 2002 performance was unreal as was Duncan's 2003 performance, especially his near quadruple double in the clincher.)

Honestly even Bryant has a case but his is by far the weakest as I do not believe either a Shaq led or Duncan led team or even any team they have been on has missed the playoffs. However from 00-01 -09-10 Bryant did to be fair have more first team NBA selections but also one 2nd and one 3rd team.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#1988.E2.80.9389_to_present

Bryant 8/1/1 Shaq 6/0/1 Duncan 6/3/1

However if you chose to start the decade with 99-00 then Duncan and Shaq each pick up one more first place selection and Kobe was not selected and Kobe drops back into a tie with them with 7 first place votes for that distinctioni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-NBA_Team#1988.E2.80.9389_to_present


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/12/31/does-2011-start-a-new-decade.html


Bean has a case when it comes to Finals MVPs as well. We all know in that 2001 season, the Sixers would have been fodder for either the Spurs or the Lakers. The NBA Finals weren't the Lakers and Sixers, it was the Lakers vs. the Spurs. That was the true NBA Finals. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could see that and one of them is dead.

Game 1 @ San Antone:
Shaquille O'Neal - 28 points (11-22), 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
Bean Bryant - 45 points (19-35), 10 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal, 1 block


Game 2 @ San Antone:
Shaquille O'Neal - 19 points (8-21), 14 rebounds, 4 assists, no steals, 1 block
Bean Bryant - 28 points (11-24), 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 block


Game 3 @ Los Angeles:
Shaquille O'Neal - 35 points (16-23), 17 rebounds, 3 assists, no steals, no blocks
Bean Bryant - 36 points (14-27), 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 1 steal, no blocks


Game 4 @ Los Angeles:
Shaquille O'Neal - 26 points (11-19), 10 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 2 blocks
Bean Bryant - 24 points (10-19), 2 rebounds, 11 assists, 2 steals, 1 block


Averages:
Shaquille O'Neal - 27 points (48-85, 56.4%), 13 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.75 steals, 1.25 blocks

Bean Bryant - 33.25 points (54-105, 51.4%), 7 rebounds, 7 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.75 blocks

Bean clearly was the best player on the floor during that series between the four star players (Bryant, Duncan, Robinson, O'Neal).

[Ashy Larry]

http://www.breakingglobalnews.com/nba-player-of-the-decade/1222043

Fan vote but Charles said then:

Charles Barkley was outspoken in his defence of O’Neal – ‘That just really shows you fans don’t know anything’.

Kenny Smith added ‘From the middle of the decade to the end’ Kobe probably was the best player, but he agreed with Barkley that Shaq was the player of the decade.

For me it is either Shaq and/or Duncan based on the fact they were the alpha dogs on the most championship teams but to each his own. TNT in its popularity contest picked Kobe as did the Sporting News.

http://ddobbsbasketball.com/2009/12/24/nba-decade-in-review-00-09s-top-10/

Another view that put Duncan > Kobe > Shaq.


Most polls are popularity contests. LeBron wouldn't have been on that list if it wasn't one. It's really a tough call. I have no problem with either of the three.

[DMC]

That is so true and consistent with SI as Duncan as player of the decade ( http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/magazine/specials/2000s/12/03/nba.highlights.lowlights/index.html )- revisionists of NBA history talk about Kobe dominating the decade when he was:

1) not considered even the best player on his team for 3-4 years and at only widely regarded as the best player in the league less than 1/3 of the decade (at best).
2) had his team miss the playoffs without Shaq
3) did not return his team to the finals sans one of the most nebulous trades in NBA history with Gasol/Odom/Bynum all coming on strong.
4) career and playoff records both trail on percentage basis Duncan's.
5) never was considered a player who made others better until late in his career and even that is somewhat debatable vs. Duncan's wide acclaim in that regard.

It is either Shaq or Duncan (the consensus best players on 6 of the decades title teams) - Bryant does not deserve serious consideration.

SI made the right call:

PLAYER OF THE DECADE: Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
The greatest power forward in NBA history, Duncan was the reason San Antonio became the only team to make the playoffs every year of the decade. He was the most valuable team player of his era, an active defender who chased pick-and-rolls out to the three-point line and yet hustled back to protect the rim and control the boards. Offensively, the Spurs played through him as a passer in the post, and his dependable mid-range jumper off the backboard will be part of his highlight reel when he checks into Springfield.

For some reason when I read that I hear Hubie Brown saying it. :)

[DMC]

LOL of course you can make an argument for any of the 3 but shaq would be the one taken out if you were gonna make a credible argument. Kobe won titles in the Pippen/McHale/Worthy role and in the MJ/Duncan/Shaq role. Yes he had help all champions do. His career arc is most like Magic's TBH ...

For the first few titles even though Magic was the catalyst Kareem was the star (scoring/rebounding/clutch) for the Lakers ... (much like shaq minus the clutch)

then starting in '85 but ESPECIALLY by the back to back titles, Magic's role shifted and he was the Alpha male of those teams. Despite this Magic was still named the player of the decade by Sporting News etc. Factoring ALL of his rings ...

The last decade was not dominated by one team so I can see why votes are split. Shaq was the most dominating early duncan in the middle. But there was only player winning titles to start and close the decade. That is why Kobe is the choice. But I respect the duncan argument not shaq he is third ...

if decade ended in 2006 it would of been shaq first, Tim 2nd and kobe Third ...
All good points but you have to remember that Shaq won a title with Miami in 2006, near the middle of the decade. With Tim's latest in 2007, Shaq should be right there in the talk.

[DMC]

S.I. had their vote: Duncan
Snews: Kobe

Besides TNT analysts who chose Shaq?
I didn't, but those who recall Shaq's early years in LA and late years in Orlando recall a frightening beast that no one had an answer for. Actually, he became that under Phil. He was more timid in Orlando. I think Phil showed him just how unstoppable he really was. If Shaq shoots 70% from the line, he gets 5 rings in a row easily.

[Ashy Larry]

I didn't, but those who recall Shaq's early years in LA and late years in Orlando recall a frightening beast that no one had an answer for. Actually, he became that under Phil. He was more timid in Orlando. I think Phil showed him just how unstoppable he really was. If Shaq shoots 70% from the line, he gets 5 rings in a row easily.


I've always said that if you took Shaquille O'Neal and gave him the work ethic of Bean Bryant or Michael Jordan, you'd have the world's greatest basketball player. When Rick Barry suggested that he should "try" underhanded free throws because those darts he was throwing at the rim were brutal, he said he'd rather shoot 50% than look stupid. Just imagine if he's knocking down free throws underhanded at a 70% clip. The league would have been utterly destroyed........

[DMC]

I've always said that if you took Shaquille O'Neal and gave him the work ethic of Bean Bryant or Michael Jordan, you'd have the world's greatest basketball player. When Rick Barry suggested that he should "try" underhanded free throws because those darts he was throwing at the rim were brutal, he said he'd rather shoot 50% than look stupid. Just imagine if he's knocking down free throws underhanded at a 70% clip. The league would have been utterly destroyed........
Without a doubt, he decimates the league. He gets 50 a game easy and rules have to be changed from 3 to 2 seconds in the paint.

[HarlemHeat37]

Who cares?..

Quoting NBA players and NBA people as an argument is stupid, they say ridiculous and inaccurate shit all the time..I can find at least a 100 stupid quotes from NBA people about an NBA-related subject..there was a top 50 players list that was released last year, it was made by polling NBA people, and it was probably the worst list I've ever seen..

Form your own arguments..quoting others is very telling, in regards to a person's basketball knowledge IMO..

[Koolaid_Man]

Who cares?..

Quoting NBA players and NBA people as an argument is stupid, they say ridiculous and inaccurate shit all the time..I can find at least a 100 stupid quotes from NBA people about an NBA-related subject..there was a top 50 players list that was released last year, it was made by polling NBA people, and it was probably the worst list I've ever seen..

Form your own arguments..quoting others is very telling, in regards to a person's basketball knowledge IMO..


hey I know where you can get a Lebron skinny dipping tattoo for a cool $20

[DMC]

hey I know where you can get a Lebron skinny dipping tattoo for a cool $20
Adults don't do lick on stick on.

[Koolaid_Man]

Adults don't do lick on stick on.


You love you some Koolaid don't ya....:lmao this is a classic example...you claim you can't avoid me because I start too many threads yet you comment on every single post...literally like a dog in heat...I ain't mad at cha...keep riding my nuts bitch....It's Your World...All Day...:lol

[DMC]

You love you some Koolaid don't ya....:lmao this is a classic example...you claim you can't avoid me because I start too many threads yet you comment on every single post...literally like a dog in heat...I ain't mad at cha...keep riding my nuts bitch....It's Your World...All Day...:lol

It's my thread, bitch.

:lmao

You sound intimidated. You trying to shake me?

[cobbler]

Who cares?..

Quoting NBA players and NBA people as an argument is stupid, they say ridiculous and inaccurate shit all the time..I can find at least a 100 stupid quotes from NBA people about an NBA-related subject..there was a top 50 players list that was released last year, it was made by polling NBA people, and it was probably the worst list I've ever seen..

Form your own arguments..quoting others is very telling, in regards to a person's basketball knowledge IMO..

says Hollinger's puppet! :toast

[Killakobe81]

I've always said that if you took Shaquille O'Neal and gave him the work ethic of Bean Bryant or Michael Jordan, you'd have the world's greatest basketball player. When Rick Barry suggested that he should "try" underhanded free throws because those darts he was throwing at the rim were brutal, he said he'd rather shoot 50% than look stupid. Just imagine if he's knocking down free throws underhanded at a 70% clip. The league would have been utterly destroyed........

Ashy: Absolutely always my problem with Shaq besides Lebron to me, he had the best chance of surpassing MJ. IMHO he will be judged after Kobe and Duncan.

DMC: Miami he was key but he was far from the best player ...especially in the Finals where he used to DOMINATEDfor the Lakers. He played so bad he refused to speak to the media (after Game 2 IIRC) when he was outplayed by "Erica Dampier". Regular season he was key and im not taking away his ring. But everyone says he (and Duncan) has 4 rings on here ...but Kobe only 2 .. that is being hypocritical Wade won that title as the alpha dog ...

[DMC]

Ashy: Absolutely always my problem with Shaq besides Lebron to me, he had the best chance of surpassing MJ. IMHO he will be judged after Kobe and Duncan.

DMC: Miami he was key but he was far from the best player ...especially in the Finals where he used to DOMINATEDfor the Lakers. He played so bad he refused to speak to the media (after Game 2 IIRC) when he was outplayed by "Erica Dampier". Regular season he was key and im not taking away his ring. But everyone says he (and Duncan) has 4 rings on here ...but Kobe only 2 .. that is being hypocritical Wade won that title as the alpha dog ...
Sure, on here, but we are talking about the TNT guys and how they voted and why. I would put Shaq and Duncan on top, either one could change the team instantly. Kobe was up there too, but he didn't start doing well again (team wise) until the Lakers acquired Gasol. That shines at least some of the light on Gasol. Duncan doesn't have anyone else who showed up to help him. He was who he was for all those years, and sure Manu and Tony were huge, but a great big man can make those around him much better.

The point is that Shaq has 3 titles as alpha dog, and Kobe only 2, and even in those it's questionable. In fact, Kobe probably hurt his team in the Shaq years by being selfish "gotta feed the big dog" which is evident by the shooting percentages and shots taken.

Just saying, Kobe one on one, no one touched him in 10 years, but as far as being the player of the decade, Shaq or Tim.

You have to deduct for missing playoffs, and give credit for never missing playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

I rarely quote Hollinger..


You win HO.... Congrats on being the class act you are.


It's been fun guys.... Enjoyed the bantar with one and all and even you HoBitch. But thats a line that should never have been crossed.

I'm outta here. Good luck to all your teams in the future and go Lakers!

hypocrite..

[Killakobe81]

Sure, on here, but we are talking about the TNT guys and how they voted and why. I would put Shaq and Duncan on top, either one could change the team instantly. Kobe was up there too, but he didn't start doing well again (team wise) until the Lakers acquired Gasol. That shines at least some of the light on Gasol. Duncan doesn't have anyone else who showed up to help him. He was who he was for all those years, and sure Manu and Tony were huge, but a great big man can make those around him much better.

The point is that Shaq has 3 titles as alpha dog, and Kobe only 2, and even in those it's questionable. In fact, Kobe probably hurt his team in the Shaq years by being selfish "gotta feed the big dog" which is evident by the shooting percentages and shots taken.

Just saying, Kobe one on one, no one touched him in 10 years, but as far as being the player of the decade, Shaq or Tim.

You have to deduct for missing playoffs, and give credit for never missing playoffs.

Ok but be consistent Shaq missed the playoffs ...and was even more to blame for breaking up the Lakers ... I know i was in L.A. But what does that have ANYTHING to do with being a player of the decade ... who broke up the team?

Like i said Shaq's peak was amazing but if we talking the whole decade Shaq is eliminated for how he declined the last 3 years of the decade.

Kobe was winning titles as a second banana in the beginning of the decade and as alpha to close it ...Shaq has not been title relevant in the last 3 or 4 years of the decade despite playing with: Wade and Nash ..he couldnt win with Lebron either or Penny for that matter (outside the decade).

Plus Shaq has been swept out of the playoffs even more than Pau ...
I can only recall Duncan being swept twice ...And Kobe only when he was playing with Shaq ...

You guys do realize what player of the decade means ...right?

If it was outstanding player of the decade or most dominant ...it's shaq. His MVP year and Finals run ranks with the alltime greats and is better than any one season Kobe has ever had. No doubt about it.

[cobbler]

Kobe was up there too, but he didn't start doing well again (team wise) until the Lakers acquired Gasol. That shines at least some of the light on Gasol. Duncan doesn't have anyone else who showed up to help him. He was who he was for all those years, and sure Manu and Tony were huge, but a great big man can make those around him much better.

Except for the small issue that the Lakers were playing leapfrog with the Suns for 1st in the West and only followed the Celts overall at the time of the Gasol trade. And of course some light shines on Gasol. Show me a championship won without support across the team. Duncan doesn't have anyone else who showed up to help him? Really? Didn't TP win a finals MVP you all hold so sacred?


The point is that Shaq has 3 titles as alpha dog, and Kobe only 2, and even in those it's questionable. In fact, Kobe probably hurt his team in the Shaq years by being selfish "gotta feed the big dog" which is evident by the shooting percentages and shots taken. .

The whole alpha dog argument is a creation of the media and Jordan knobslobbers. The Lakers don't win tites without either Shaq or Kobe and QUITE A FEW others. That Kobe deffered to an overpowering Shaq diminishes his titles in no way. We never hear how Kareem had only 2 titles because he deffered to Magic do we?

When it is all said and done.... and the boys are bellying up to the bar in the backrooms of the NBA hall of fame inductions... it's gonna be... "I got so many, how many did you end up with?" You wont be hearing any "well I was the alpha dog 2 more years than you so that one doesnt count" BS.



You have to deduct for missing playoffs, and give credit for never missing playoffs.

Then you also must give points for defending your championship and deduct double for going out on a skunk by of all teams... the Suns

[cobbler]

I rarely quote Hollinger..



hypocrite..

You are the stat boy galore... you use Hollingers numbers almost as much as you post about the Lakers. It's ok. No need to get defensive.

[DPG21920]

Wow, right on cue Cobbler responding to HH :lol

Little fan boy! How cute

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Cobbler..

I don't really use Hollinger stats, I use more advanced stats..

That doesn't change the fact that you're clearly a hypocrite..

[DMC]

Except for the small issue that the Lakers were playing leapfrog with the Suns for 1st in the West and only followed the Celts overall at the time of the Gasol trade. And of course some light shines on Gasol. Show me a championship won without support across the team. Duncan doesn't have anyone else who showed up to help him? Really? Didn't TP win a finals MVP you all hold so sacred?

TP is pretty good. Shows how unselfish Duncan is. David Robinson was also unselfish.

I addressed your points already, and if the Lakers were doing so well, why did Kobe threaten to quit?


The whole alpha dog argument is a creation of the media and Jordan knobslobbers. The Lakers don't win tites without either Shaq or Kobe and QUITE A FEW others. That Kobe deffered to an overpowering Shaq diminishes his titles in no way. We never hear how Kareem had only 2 titles because he deffered to Magic do we?
Really? It just seems like a sore spot for Kobe knobslobbers. There's a reason an individual is considered the best player (singular) of the decade, and it's all about being the leader. I've never seen a role player or 2nd fiddle get any kind of award like that. Certainly no domestiques from Lance Armstrong's team won sportsman of the year.


When it is all said and done.... and the boys are bellying up to the bar in the backrooms of the NBA hall of fame inductions... it's gonna be... "I got so many, how many did you end up with?" You wont be hearing any "well I was the alpha dog 2 more years than you so that one doesnt count" BS.
No, anyone who didn't just pop their head out of the uterus would realize that the "boys" all know each other well enough to understand all that already. Tim will be the greatest PF ever until someone plays 15 years and outshines him. His rings validate his effort, but then there are many players who do not have rings who are right there in the mix with the greats. No one is going to be asking anyone else in the HOF bar "how many you got?". If they did, Horry would be ahead of Michael. We both know that's not the case now don't we? Alpha males RULE!


Then you also must give points for defending your championship and deduct double for going out on a skunk by of all teams... the SunsThe whole "defend the championship" thing is bullshit. Do the Lakers lose the previous championship if they don't defend? No. It's not boxing. You aren't stripped of the crown. You are the champ for that year, and then you have to do it again.

Don't follow the media hype. Getting two in a row is cool, but one isn't in defense of the other. If anything, a team should win two in a row or more if they are that much stronger (or put together using more funds) than the other teams. The fact that SA snuck 4 wins in while the Lakers were busy hating each other is testament to the management in SA, because opportunity is hard to come by, and the rest of the league let it slide right by (except Detroit and Miami of course).

[DMC]

I still say Tim/Shaq over Kobe.

[Quit Hatin']

Who cares?..

Quoting NBA players and NBA people as an argument is stupid, they say ridiculous and inaccurate shit all the time..I can find at least a 100 stupid quotes from NBA people about an NBA-related subject..there was a top 50 players list that was released last year, it was made by polling NBA people, and it was probably the worst list I've ever seen..

Form your own arguments..quoting others is very telling, in regards to a person's basketball knowledge IMO..

I guess quoting fans is the right way to go because they are obviously more knowledgeable..

You asked for it faggot..


as you all know, I left the bandwagon AFTER they won the title, which doesn't make sense, but I didn't like the team they had, and I started to dislike Wade, because of all the Jordan hype..

but now as they struggled early, I started getting the Heat feeling back, and when they got Eddie Jones, that sparked shit for me..so they're my Eas team with SA as my West team..

I've also gained my respect for Wade back, because of all the hype other players are getting..I think he's the 2nd best player in the NBA, next to Kobe, and his game is a lot more complete than guys like Arenas and Melo who are getting hyped, and he can close out games a lot better than that choker Lebron..

[Giuseppe]

^Oops!

tee, hee.

[DPG21920]

^Oops!

tee, hee.

Uh Uh. Not you. Not on my watch. Not after The Extinction. You have no right. You tried to hide your past and escape your present, but 'deep wouldn't let it go. I made it my duty and mine alone to make sure you know your place.

So the second that thought creeps into your head that you have any say, any rights, I'll be there; You Are Extinct.

[cobbler]

Wow, right on cue Cobbler responding to HH :lol

Little fan boy! How cute

Awwww look... Hoboys little bitch running to the rescue yet again. How cute! :toast

[DMC]

is cobbler a mix of two words, cock and gobbler?

[cobbler]

TP is pretty good. Shows how unselfish Duncan is. David Robinson was also unselfish.

I addressed your points already, and if the Lakers were doing so well, why did Kobe threaten to quit?

So TP wins the MVP and Duncan is unselfish. Shaq wins it and Kobe is a role player. Ok gotcha! :lol

Kobe asked to be traded during the off season. Once the season started he shut up and went to work and at the time of ther trade the Lakers were one of the best 3 teams in the league.




Really? It just seems like a sore spot for Kobe knobslobbers. There's a reason an individual is considered the best player (singular) of the decade, and it's all about being the leader. I've never seen a role player or 2nd fiddle get any kind of award like that. Certainly no domestiques from Lance Armstrong's team won sportsman of the year.

Sore spot or not. The only people who do not recognize Kobe as being a major player in the 3peat are haters and Jordan boys that can see him being passed in the not too distant future.




No, anyone who didn't just pop their head out of the uterus would realize that the "boys" all know each other well enough to understand all that already. Tim will be the greatest PF ever until someone plays 15 years and outshines him. His rings validate his effort, but then there are many players who do not have rings who are right there in the mix with the greats. No one is going to be asking anyone else in the HOF bar "how many you got?". If they did, Horry would be ahead of Michael. We both know that's not the case now don't we? Alpha males RULE! Many consider Malone to be the greatest of all time. Again, it's all a matter of opinion. I guarantee you when MJ got his 6th and put up those 6 fingers to the camera he was passing up Magic and showing it. Nobody was thinking in terms of 1A, 1B etc etc I also guarantee you that when Kobe puts up number 7, one MJ is going to be cringing.

LOL using the Horry role player excuse for the gazillionth time. Clearly Kobe was not a role player. So is Timmy now not allowed to claim future titles now that he has become 1b to Manus 1A? :lmao




The whole "defend the championship" thing is bullshit. Do the Lakers lose the previous championship if they don't defend? No. It's not boxing. You aren't stripped of the crown. You are the champ for that year, and then you have to do it again.

Not bullshit at all. One of the most difficult tasks to accomplish in sports. No they don't lose theirt previos title. What the heck does that have to do with anything? In defending the title you are the team with the target on your backs. Everyone wants to beat the champs and circles those dates on the calander. You have to be much more determined and focused to defend a championship. Laker players know this also from getting the leagues best efforts to beat the "storied franchise" as well.



Don't follow the media hype. Getting two in a row is cool, but one isn't in defense of the other. If anything, a team should win two in a row or more if they are that much stronger (or put together using more funds) than the other teams. The fact that SA snuck 4 wins in while the Lakers were busy hating each other is testament to the management in SA, because opportunity is hard to come by, and the rest of the league let it slide right by (except Detroit and Miami of course).

Wow! I always felt the Spurs titles were well planned and hard fought victories for your franchise. I didn't realize you only snuck em in cause our boys were arguing.

[cobbler]

is cobbler a mix of two words, cock and gobbler?

Odd that you would as that Mr Does Many Cocks.

[DMC]

So TP wins the MVP and Duncan is unselfish. Shaq wins it and Kobe is a role player. Ok gotcha! :lol

I don't think the concept is foreign to anyone here but you. Duncan is probably the most unselfish HOFer outside of Robinson in the past 20 years.

Kobe's numbers do not reflect unselfishness, just ineffectiveness compared to Shaq.


Kobe asked to be traded during the off season. Once the season started he shut up and went to work and at the time of ther trade the Lakers were one of the best 3 teams in the league.

I like pie.


Sore spot or not. The only people who do not recognize Kobe as being a major player in the 3peat are haters and Jordan boys that can see him being passed in the not too distant future.

He was a major player, without a doubt. I haven't seen that argued so you are just fighting the strawman you created. Kobe isn't the main factor. That was the argument.


Many consider Malone to be the greatest of all time. Again, it's all a matter of opinion. I guarantee you when MJ got his 6th and put up those 6 fingers to the camera he was passing up Magic and showing it. Nobody was thinking in terms of 1A, 1B etc etc

Moses Malone was a beast. MJ wasn't considering passing Magic. When Lance held up 7 fingers, who was he passing? No one, these guys all do that when they've one more than one (actually they to it with one, but it's for a different reason (we're number one).


LOL using the Horry role player excuse for the gazillionth time. Clearly Kobe was not a role player. So is Timmy now not allowed to claim future titles now that he has become 1b to Manus 1A? :lmao

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If guys are going to sit around showing their dicks and their rings, Horry has more than MJ. They respect each other for their game, not for the ring. The game is strong and sometimes the trades or drafting team never does much with it. To suggest a group of HOFers are going to sit and discuss who has the most rings is silly, it's like saying me and my friends would argue about who makes the most money. It might come up, but we don't dwell on it. They all know I make the most anyhow.


Not bullshit at all. One of the most difficult tasks to accomplish in sports. No they don't lose theirt previos title. What the heck does that have to do with anything? In defending the title you are the team with the target on your backs. Everyone wants to beat the champs and circles those dates on the calander. You have to be much more determined and focused to defend a championship. Laker players know this also from getting the leagues best efforts to beat the "storied franchise" as well.

The point is that you aren't defending a title. That's just media talk. A fighter defends the title and doesn't have to work his way back up to do so. NBA teams repeat, they don't defend titles. If you cannot lose the title, what are you defending?


Wow! I always felt the Spurs titles were well planned and hard fought victories for your franchise. I didn't realize you only snuck em in cause our boys were arguing.
Timing is very important and great teams take advantage (Houston while MJ was out). The Spurs had some breaks with Dallas being ousted by GS, with Phoenix being punished by Stern and by meeting the Cavaliers instead of Detroit. We could have beaten Detroit too, but it would not have been as convincing as the Cavs sweep.

Throughout sports history players have taken their share while they could. Had Shaq and Kobe not been such divas, I believe they would have won more rings. I think there are many people who would agree with me. It's not a new concept. That's why MJ was able to win 6, but we all know he could have won 8 or 9 had he continued to play instead of sitting out two years.


Regardless, Tim Duncan was the best player of the last decade. Shaq could be argued as well, but Kobe would be a close 2nd to those two. His own peers agree.

[DMC]

Odd that you would as that Mr Does Many Cocks.
Oh that's very creative. Is that what you thought when you heard "Run DMC"? Run... Do Many Cocks... ?

Now run along. :toast

[cobbler]

Oh that's very creative. Is that what you thought when you heard "Run DMC"? Run... Do Many Cocks... ?

Now run along. :toast

Never listened to more than maybe 20 seconds to tell the truth. I prefer music.

[cobbler]

I don't think the concept is foreign to anyone here but you. Duncan is probably the most unselfish HOFer outside of Robinson in the past 20 years. Kobe's numbers do not reflect unselfishness, just ineffectiveness compared to Shaq.

Ineffective? That's laughable and plain ignorant. Who here is arguing that TD is not unselfish? I completely agree. I'm a fan of TD and respect his game big time. What does unselfishness have to do with said players importance to the team and titles won. You guys always toss aside Kobe's 3 titles because he was 1B to Shaqs 1A. It's silly. Just as silly as saying TD only has 3 titles because he rode TP to the title. If the Spurs win the title this year... it doesn't count on TD's resume with him being the clear #2 to Manu this year right? It's just absurd that you guys cannot recognize.



I like pie.

Eating a lot these days aren't ya?


He was a major player, without a doubt. I haven't seen that argued so you are just fighting the strawman you created. Kobe isn't the main factor. That was the argument.

You dont have to be the MAIN factor each and every game or each and every series for a "decade" recognition.


Moses Malone was a beast. MJ wasn't considering passing Magic. When Lance held up 7 fingers, who was he passing? No one, these guys all do that when they've one more than one (actually they to it with one, but it's for a different reason (we're number one).

We are talking basketball. Lance has nothign to do with it.

MJ made many references to tying and beating Magics 5. Magic was the big dog on the block having bested Larry and Isah. If you don't think MJ is going to be upset when Kobe holds up 7 then, well... ok :lol



You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If guys are going to sit around showing their dicks and their rings, Horry has more than MJ. They respect each other for their game, not for the ring. The game is strong and sometimes the trades or drafting team never does much with it. To suggest a group of HOFers are going to sit and discuss who has the most rings is silly, it's like saying me and my friends would argue about who makes the most money. It might come up, but we don't dwell on it. They all know I make the most anyhow.

Yeah, what a silly concept to think guys competing in a league would trash talk their victories over the others when its all said and done. I supose you havent played much. Comparing bragging rights with regards to sports vs employment salary is absurd to say the least.


The point is that you aren't defending a title. That's just media talk. A fighter defends the title and doesn't have to work his way back up to do so. NBA teams repeat, they don't defend titles. If you cannot lose the title, what are you defending?

Perhaps you should obtain a dictionary and look of the word defend then?



Timing is very important and great teams take advantage (Houston while MJ was out). The Spurs had some breaks with Dallas being ousted by GS, with Phoenix being punished by Stern and by meeting the Cavaliers instead of Detroit. We could have beaten Detroit too, but it would not have been as convincing as the Cavs sweep.

No argument here. Luck is also a huge factor...



Throughout sports history players have taken their share while they could. Had Shaq and Kobe not been such divas, I believe they would have won more rings. I think there are many people who would agree with me. It's not a new concept. That's why MJ was able to win 6, but we all know he could have won 8 or 9 had he continued to play instead of sitting out two years.

No argument here.



Regardless, Tim Duncan was the best player of the last decade. Shaq could be argued as well, but Kobe would be a close 2nd to those two. His own peers agree.

And many believe its Kobe and many believe it's Shaq.

Ill take Kobe's trophy case. :toast

[DMC]

Never listened to more than maybe 20 seconds to tell the truth. I prefer music.
Not the music, the name... wow.

[DMC]

Ineffective? That's laughable and plain ignorant. Who here is arguing that TD is not unselfish? I completely agree. I'm a fan of TD and respect his game big time. What does unselfishness have to do with said players importance to the team and titles won. You guys always toss aside Kobe's 3 titles because he was 1B to Shaqs 1A. It's silly. Just as silly as saying TD only has 3 titles because he rode TP to the title. If the Spurs win the title this year... it doesn't count on TD's resume with him being the clear #2 to Manu this year right? It's just absurd that you guys cannot recognize.

You argued the unselfishness part. Were Duncan like Kobe, TP would never have gotten an MVP because Tim wouldn't have stood for it.

Kobe was ineffective compared to Shaq.

You seem intent on ignoring the context (even the content) of what I am saying. Keep jousting those windmills.


Eating a lot these days aren't ya?
Actually I just had a piece of key lime pie earlier, but no I am trying to lay off.


You dont have to be the MAIN factor each and every game or each and every series for a "decade" recognition.
You have to at least lead the squad.


We are talking basketball. Lance has nothign to do with it.
It's an analogy. It's how you get simple points across to even more simple people.


MJ made many references to tying and beating Magics 5. Magic was the big dog on the block having bested Larry and Isah. If you don't think MJ is going to be upset when Kobe holds up 7 then, well... ok :lol
That's not why he showed 6 to the camera though. You are moving goalposts.


Yeah, what a silly concept to think guys competing in a league would trash talk their victories over the others when its all said and done. I supose you havent played much. Comparing bragging rights with regards to sports vs employment salary is absurd to say the least.
I guess you haven't competed at the highest level have you, where everyone is a millionaire and the trash they talk is on the golf course. Yes, guys do brag about their salary in more covert ways often. Maybe you've never experienced it because you've never had a salary, you've had a paycheck.

They don't hold their heads higher because they have more rings. Jordan was a prick before he won a ring, and he will always be one. Duncan has 4, can you imagine him talking shit about it? Can you imagine any player today talking shit about their rings to other greats? Not while Russell is still alive.


Perhaps you should obtain a dictionary and look of the word defend then?
I know what defend means. You didn't answer my question: If they don't defend it, do they lose the title? If you don't lose the title, what are you defending? It's like saying "I made my first million, now let me defend that by making my second" and someone a few years later saying "yeah, but he defended his first million by making another million the following year, but you only made the same amount every other year, even though you both still have the same amount of money." It's a talking point, it's not a true title defense. It's like the term "attacking the rim". No one is attacking the rim (Ok Shaq and Chocolate Thunder did...), it's just a bit of hyperbole to sell tickets.



And many believe its Kobe and many believe it's Shaq.

Ill take Kobe's trophy case. :toastI'll take his wife's trophy case.

[cobbler]

You argued the unselfishness part. Were Duncan like Kobe, TP would never have gotten an MVP because Tim wouldn't have stood for it.

Kobe was ineffective compared to Shaq..

Ohhh so TP doesn't get MVP without Duncan but Kobe had nothing to do with Shaqs success. Gotcha! You can't have it both ways. Ineffective my ass. Clearly grandstanding on your part.



You seem intent on ignoring the context (even the content) of what I am saying. Keep jousting those windmills..

Say's Mr Symantics and analogies.



You have to at least lead the squad. .

Say's who?



It's an analogy. It's how you get simple points across to even more simple people..

Or sidestep a topic with useless and irrelevant info.




That's not why he showed 6 to the camera though. You are moving goalposts.
I guess you haven't competed at the highest level have you, where everyone is a millionaire and the trash they talk is on the golf course. Yes, guys do brag about their salary in more covert ways often. Maybe you've never experienced it because you've never had a salary, you've had a paycheck. .

Of course he showed 6 like I got 6 now! And I am saying his thoughts during those post game moments most definely crossed the... i one upped magic path. And I have competed at very high levels.

Which brings us to this gem earlier:



To suggest a group of HOFers are going to sit and discuss who has the most rings is silly, it's like saying me and my friends would argue about who makes the most money. It might come up, but we don't dwell on it. They all know I make the most anyhow..


So which is it? You said its silly and now you say guys do it.

And so now after you waver you then feel the need to toss out some personal jab at my employment history? Classy spurfan move there no doubt.

Since you are so interested... I've done ok for myself and will be retiring sometime after August to a life of leisure sipping beers on the boat and watching my Lakers take over the green pukes. :toast




They don't hold their heads higher because they have more rings. Jordan was a prick before he won a ring, and he will always be one. Duncan has 4, can you imagine him talking shit about it? Can you imagine any player today talking shit about their rings to other greats? Not while Russell is still alive..

Yes I can. Happens all the time. As I have said, Magic andf MJ went back and forth about it and ribbed each other. Many have Russell as GOAT in their opinions too for that very reason.




I know what defend means. You didn't answer my question: If they don't defend it, do they lose the title? If you don't lose the title, what are you defending? It's like saying "I made my first million, now let me defend that by making my second" and someone a few years later saying "yeah, but he defended his first million by making another million the following year, but you only made the same amount every other year, even though you both still have the same amount of money." It's a talking point, it's not a true title defense. It's like the term "attacking the rim". No one is attacking the rim (Ok Shaq and Chocolate Thunder did...), it's just a bit of hyperbole to sell tickets. .

I did answer. I said of course they dont lose the title. How's this Mr. Analogy... I can defend the right to free speech till the cows come home with no chance of losing it. There is NOTING in the definition of defending with reference to losing what you had.

So let me clue you in... In sports you are the current champion until you lose that title. Right now the Lakers are the current champions. The spurs may be playing great ball and in great shape for a run. Boston may be a few games up in the loss column. But the Lakers are STILL the CURRENT champions. They are currently DEFENDING their status as current champions defined by the title they won last year.

But I can see why that's a difficult concept to comprehend being a Spurs fan. The symantic game does not diminsh the accomplishment... sorry. Someday hopefully you can say your team defended one too.


I'll take his wife's trophy case.

I'm sure you would...

[Ashy Larry]

Sure, on here, but we are talking about the TNT guys and how they voted and why. I would put Shaq and Duncan on top, either one could change the team instantly. Kobe was up there too, but he didn't start doing well again (team wise) until the Lakers acquired Gasol. That shines at least some of the light on Gasol. Duncan doesn't have anyone else who showed up to help him. He was who he was for all those years, and sure Manu and Tony were huge, but a great big man can make those around him much better.

The point is that Shaq has 3 titles as alpha dog, and Kobe only 2, and even in those it's questionable. In fact, Kobe probably hurt his team in the Shaq years by being selfish "gotta feed the big dog" which is evident by the shooting percentages and shots taken.

Just saying, Kobe one on one, no one touched him in 10 years, but as far as being the player of the decade, Shaq or Tim.

You have to deduct for missing playoffs, and give credit for never missing playoffs.

See it's really iffy and I think the Kobe "role player" argument ended in Game 4 of the 2001 series vs Sacramento which led into the series vs. the Spurs (the real NBA Finals) which many people on this forum tends to get brain lock about. Clearly Shaquille was the number one option on the Lakers during that time but when you can't go to your number one option at the end of games because he's a cancer at the line, there's a problem.

And to question if Bean was the alpha dog during his two recent runs is crazy. We've seen what Gasol brought to the table when he was the man in Makin' Easy Money - Pimpin' Hoes Is Simple. I don't even think they got a playoff win.

As far as who was the player of the decade, I'd probably go with Shaquille or Duncan as well. And I don't think missing the playoffs should have a real play on the situation especially when (1) the Western conference Champs were blown up during the summer; (2) the Lakers stockpiled stiffs and youth around Bean and (3) the Western Conference was pretty damn tough. Needed 45 wins just to make the playoffs and that wasn't happening with that roster.

[DMC]

Ohhh so TP doesn't get MVP without Duncan but Kobe had nothing to do with Shaqs success. Gotcha! You can't have it both ways. Ineffective my ass. Clearly grandstanding on your part.




Say's Mr Symantics and analogies.




Say's who?




Or sidestep a topic with useless and irrelevant info.




Of course he showed 6 like I got 6 now! And I am saying his thoughts during those post game moments most definely crossed the... i one upped magic path. And I have competed at very high levels.

Which brings us to this gem earlier:




So which is it? You said its silly and now you say guys do it.

And so now after you waver you then feel the need to toss out some personal jab at my employment history? Classy spurfan move there no doubt.

Since you are so interested... I've done ok for myself and will be retiring sometime after August to a life of leisure sipping beers on the boat and watching my Lakers take over the green pukes. :toast




Yes I can. Happens all the time. As I have said, Magic andf MJ went back and forth about it and ribbed each other. Many have Russell as GOAT in their opinions too for that very reason.




I did answer. I said of course they dont lose the title. How's this Mr. Analogy... I can defend the right to free speech till the cows come home with no chance of losing it. There is NOTING in the definition of defending with reference to losing what you had.

So let me clue you in... In sports you are the current champion until you lose that title. Right now the Lakers are the current champions. The spurs may be playing great ball and in great shape for a run. Boston may be a few games up in the loss column. But the Lakers are STILL the CURRENT champions. They are currently DEFENDING their status as current champions defined by the title they won last year.

But I can see why that's a difficult concept to comprehend being a Spurs fan. The symantic game does not diminsh the accomplishment... sorry. Someday hopefully you can say your team defended one too.



I'm sure you would...

This is getting to long. I will address a few points and disregard the rest, don't take that anyway other than me saving time.

Men do brag about salary, not to friends. That reconciles the two statements and is a good example of why you need to pay closer attention to content and drop the confirmation bias when reading responses.

When they brag, they do it in covert ways like dropping in some division or multiple of their salary that they know you will decode. None of my friends have ever bragged about salary, and in fact we have no idea what the other makes. We brag about who got their ass kicked in the last game or tournament or whatever, but we let it go because it's friendly. Sure NBA players want rings and sure they will talk about it, but only the assholes will harp on it and those guys were assholes before they got the hardware.


Kudos to you, your boat and your beers. It's not an easy place to be, as you probably well know. I've been prepping my boat for it's annual usage as well. I am not ready to retire, but getting there. :toast

The Lakers are then defending the concept of their title, not the title itself just as you would be for defending the concept of the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights, not the Amendment itself. Only the SCOTUS with House and Senate can defend the Bill itself. (makes you wonder why that Bill never passed and became the "Law of Rights" eh?)

There's simply no real reason to consider a repeat to be a title defense in the NBA. You are last year's champ, since this year's champ has not been established. Were you this year's champ, the record books would reflect that you were the champ in 2011 even though someone else won the Finals that year (if they do).

It's a semantics issue, but people equivocate "title defense" in the NBA to "title defense" in boxing, where a boxer might get a fluke knock out and lose right away on his first defense. It's not the same thing in the NBA. There's never been a fluke NBA champion, fan banter be damned.

[DMC]

Fine, you turdhounds can have Best of the Decade. I'm taking:::

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

So now you gave up Best of the Decade, and you gave up 5>4

You have nothing now except 12

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So now you gave up Best of the Decade, and you gave up 5>4

You have nothing now except 12

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

[Brazil]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

But you do second 5 which is even more childish

[Pelicans78]

That Lakers team in 2007-2008 was one of the best teams in the league well before Gasol got there. Kobe and Bynum were dominant players. The trade for Gasol occurred because of Bynum's injury when the team started to struggle. Bynum's massive improvement from the previous season was a huge factor in the Lakers improvement while Odom was a very good starting PF.

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But you do second 5 which is even more childish

No. And I'll tell why, you child, you:::I invented 2nd 5th because it was right. Somebody had to do it. Christ, if I weren't here you silly bastards would be going along as if nothing out of the ordinary took place. That's how I found ya's to be brutally frank. Nobody ever answered for anything till I showed up, took stock and went about the arduous task of setting up a protocol so we could have & enjoy what we'd won &&& suffer boundlessly what we'd lost.

Conversely,,,

"12" is nothing more than a Media concoction to have us sit around and bicker with each other over something that has absolutely no fucking value. I'm this||close to going into the RR over it.

[Spurtacular]

Kobe: 5

Duncan & Daddy: 4

It's four, chump. 99-00 is not the 2000's. Even if you were to count it that way, then 09-10 wouldn't be.

[Splits]

No. And I'll tell why, you child, you:::I invented 2nd 5th because it was right. Somebody had to do it. Christ, if I weren't here you silly bastards would be going along as if nothing out of the ordinary took place. That's how I found ya's to be brutally frank. Nobody ever answered for anything till I showed up, took stock and went about the arduous task of setting up a protocol so we could have & enjoy what we'd won &&& suffer boundlessly what we'd lost.

Conversely,,,

"12" is nothing more than a Media concoction to have us sit around and bicker with each other over something that has absolutely no fucking value. I'm this||close to going into the RR over it.

12 is more substantive than 2nd 5th. One is in the product of the most respected sports news agency in the country, documented forever, that basketball fan has knowledge of and will reference for eternity. The other is a concoction of a crotchety old racist that nobody has every heard about.

"Hey Jerome, you hear ESPN left Kobe out of the top-10 all time?"

"Yeah mang, crazy I had him at 8"

"Not crazier than Amy's ex-husband with his 2nd 5th though, right?"

"What?"

[Brazil]

No. And I'll tell why, you child, you:::I invented 2nd 5th because it was right. Somebody had to do it. Christ, if I weren't here you silly bastards would be going along as if nothing out of the ordinary took place. That's how I found ya's to be brutally frank. Nobody ever answered for anything till I showed up, took stock and went about the arduous task of setting up a protocol so we could have & enjoy what we'd won &&& suffer boundlessly what we'd lost.

Conversely,,,

"12" is nothing more than a Media concoction to have us sit around and bicker with each other over something that has absolutely no fucking value. I'm this||close to going into the RR over it.

12 has much more value than 2nd 5... 2nd 5 does not exist... it's a mental construction

[Reck]

I gotta agree with Splits and Brazil on this one.

That second 5th shtick never had any traction.

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I gotta agree with Splits and Brazil on this one.

I'll just bet you do.

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12 has much more value than 2nd 5... 2nd 5 does not exist... it's a mental construction

I'll just bet it is.

[Brazil]

I'll just bet it is.

This is 12 speaking

[DMC]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.
But 12 is final. It's the "best of times, worst of times" epitaph to a 20 year career. There's no more jacks or timbers.

It will forever "Stay 12".

However it's not so much the 12, but the fact that Tim Duncan has moved on with all your jacks and timbers.

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But 12 is final. It's the "best of times, worst of times" epitaph to a 20 year career. There's no more jacks or timbers.

It will forever "Stay 12".

However it's not so much the 12, but the fact that Tim Duncan has moved on with all your jacks and timbers.

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.

[LakerHater]

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[DMC]

I don't do "12." I leave that to you children.
That's because it doesn't pay you dividends.

If you can lodge "2nd 5th" which is an act of desperation after lodging "6" and spending so much time discussing Tim's personal finances, you should have no qualms with 12. You should relish in it, next time it will be 15 or so.

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That's because it doesn't pay you dividends.

If you can lodge "2nd 5th" which is an act of desperation after lodging "6" and spending so much time discussing Tim's personal finances, you should have no qualms with 12. You should relish in it, next time it will be 15 or so.

No, because it's an invention by rats, vermin. I won't do it.

No fuckin' way.