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Kent_in_Atlanta
01-27-2011, 10:08 AM
http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/01/27/11/Unrivaled-Spurs-win-over-Jazz-the-latest/landing.html?blockID=398688&feedID=4519


By Mike Piellucci
FOXSportsSouthwest.com

Gregg Popovich has a bone to pick with anyone who calls his Spurs the best team in the NBA.

“We have the best record but no way does that mean we have the best team, especially halfway through the season,” Popovich grumbled on ESPN’s broadcast of Wednesday’s game at Utah.

Fair enough, and he more than anyone understands how little the games in January matter relative to the gut-check battles of April through June.

At the present moment, however, it’s impossible to conclude that anyone is better than San Antonio, now winners of 10 of their past 11 games thanks to a 112-105 road triumph over the Jazz.

There are a lot of factors that come into play when making such a proclamation but the simplest one is that the Spurs, more than any other team, win the games they should and tend to win them convincingly.

Consider the win over Utah Exhibit A.

Yes, the Jazz, now losers of six straight, are struggling.

No, they are not the same caliber of team they were last season after replacing Carlos Boozer and Kyle Korver with Al Jefferson and Raja Bell in addition to just now retaining the services of Mehmet Okur.

But this is a team that will comfortably make the playoffs in the West and fielded the best player on the floor in Deron Williams, who scorched San Antonio for a season-best 39 points on 16-of-24 shooting to go with nine assists, while playing in one of the league’s most notorious road environments.

Bottom line, they’re good.

Yet after the first quarter they were barely in the game, never making it closer than a two-possession ball game after the 10:08 mark in the second quarter. Even Williams, who scored 29 of his points in the second half including 17 in the fourth quarter, could only dent the Spurs lead, as San Antonio returned fire after every shot Utah’s flashy point guard fired across its bow.

It was supposed to be a challenge, and for long stretches — like a 17-0 run in the second quarter or the entire third quarter, in which Utah never trailed by fewer than nine and by as much as 19 — the Spurs seemingly toyed with the Jazz.

Ultimately, though, Utah was a team that San Antonio was expected to beat and the Spurs tend to handle those teams well. They average 7.3 more points per game than their opponents, the fourth-highest mark in the league and have lost just once to a sub-.500 team, which came on December 1st at the Clippers.

Their road record is the best in the league and they haven’t lost at home since November en route to what is not-so-coincidentally the best home mark as well.

They are, quite simply, better than everyone else.

What’s more impressive is that they do it by not really being the best at anything.

Apart from allowing the fewest opposing free throw attempts and makes, the Spurs don’t lead the league in any one category. There’s plenty that they don’t rank in the top five of, either.

That extends over into individual talent, as well. Nights like Wednesday, in which the best player on the floor is a guy not wearing black, silver and white aren’t that uncommon.

Among playoff teams, it’s downright commonplace. Some Spurs fans might be incredulous reading this but in the West alone the Lakers (Kobe Bryant), Mavericks (Dirk Nowitzki), Thunder (Kevin Durant), Hornets (Chris Paul), Nuggets (Carmelo Anthony), and Jazz (Williams) all have a star player that’s better than San Antonio’s roster.

Same story in the East with Miami (LeBron James and Dwyane Wade), Magic (Dwight Howard), Bulls (Derrick Rose), and quite possibly the Celtics (depending on how highly you rate Rajon Rondo or Kevin Garnett).

Yet they all are gazing up in the standings at San Antonio, primarily because the Spurs are more well-rounded.

San Antonio is in the top half, if not top third of the league in nearly every statistical category and with the exception of a particular vulnerability against the 3-pointer (where they rank second to last league-wide in opposing outside shooting percentage), they don’t have an exploitable weakness, and even that isn’t large enough to single-handedly bring San Antonio down in the face of all the other strengths the Spurs possess.

Similarly, San Antonio won’t have the single-best player against many contending teams but very few have a top three as strong as Many Ginobili, Tony Parker, or Tim Duncan, with even fewer rolling out a better starting five and practically no one capable of employing a better nine-man rotation, especially one that is versatile enough to create so many different lineups and mismatches.

The most convenient way to label the Spurs, then, would be to typecast them as a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none but that undersells just how significant their status as a complete and dynamic team truly is.

Simply put, other teams’ best quality might trump the Spurs’, but it’s just as likely that their worst quality is more pronounced as well. The difference between those two is that San Antonio is better equipped to exploit those shortcomings than other team in the league — and, in turn, wins more than any other as well.

So, sorry Pop. I know you don’t want to hear it but it’s time to face facts; the Spurs truly are the best team in the league.

If the first half of the season is any indication, you'll have to get used to hearing it.

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rjv
01-27-2011, 10:18 AM
spurs are the duke blue devils of the NBA.

honestfool84
01-27-2011, 10:21 AM
i don't understand why the Spurs are so bad at guarding the 3 point line...

BG_Spurs_Fan
01-27-2011, 10:44 AM
i don't understand why the Spurs are so bad at guarding the 3 point line...

True, the Spurs have historically been quite good in this department and we all know Pop hates allowing the corner 3 especially.

I think the problem might be caused by the slight changes in the Spurs team defense this season compared to previous ones. They're trying to play a bit of Thibodeau's Celtics defensive schemes, but for some reason the 3 point defense is struggling, maybe because of the lack of athleticism or maybe they're just not that used to it and still adjusting. Or I could be completely wrong. :)

TampaDude
01-27-2011, 10:48 AM
So much for being "under the radar"... :lol

SenorSpur
01-27-2011, 10:49 AM
Not only have they been terrible at defending the opposition at the arc, their interior defense has been ghastly. Look no further than last night's game, and the way in which Jefferson torched them inside and later seeing Deron Williams basically get whatever he wanted. That's enough to know that the Spurs have serious issues on the defensive side.

Cry Havoc
01-27-2011, 11:04 AM
Not only have they been terrible at defending the opposition at the arc, their interior defense has been ghastly. Look no further than last night's game, and the way in which Jefferson torched them inside and later seeing Deron Williams basically get whatever he wanted. That's enough to know that the Spurs have serious issues on the defensive side.

It comes and it goes. A LOT of what we're seeing now has to be attributed to the fact that we've got a ridiculous record, this team is now used to winning, and they aren't going to throw their bodies under a train for one more W. We're comfortably ahead of the rest of the NBA right now, and if we're up by 3-4 possessions in a game, can you blame our guys for not taking more contact than is necessary? Pop might even be telling them to save their bodies. We've already nearly clinched a playoff spot and with the Lakers having a tough 2nd half schedule, we're probably close to a lock for the #1 seed.

We won't know what this team is truly capable of until late March, when Pop really starts to apply the pressure to dominate teams as thoroughly as possible.

it's me
01-27-2011, 11:22 AM
ManY Ginobili :lmao

gospursgojas
01-27-2011, 11:29 AM
“We have the best record but no way does that mean we have the best team, especially halfway through the season,” Popovich grumbled on ESPN’s broadcast of Wednesday’s game at Utah.

I understand why Pop says this, and I like that he does bc the media just eats it up. They'll say "see even pop says they cant beat the Lakers, Celts, or Heat". Which is not what he said at all. But most of the media still belives the Spurs are not contenders and Pop gives them lines to feed their idiotic, generic opinions.

Not alot of people believe the SPurs are legit and Pop gives them lines to help them.

Mr. Body
01-27-2011, 11:30 AM
spurs are the duke blue devils of the NBA.

For the love of God don't say that.

SenorSpur
01-27-2011, 11:35 AM
It comes and it goes. A LOT of what we're seeing now has to be attributed to the fact that we've got a ridiculous record, this team is now used to winning, and they aren't going to throw their bodies under a train for one more W. We're comfortably ahead of the rest of the NBA right now, and if we're up by 3-4 possessions in a game, can you blame our guys for not taking more contact than is necessary? Pop might even be telling them to save their bodies. We've already nearly clinched a playoff spot and with the Lakers having a tough 2nd half schedule, we're probably close to a lock for the #1 seed.

We won't know what this team is truly capable of until late March, when Pop really starts to apply the pressure to dominate teams as thoroughly as possible.

That could all be true and I understand your point. It's just that, while the team had made some small strides at getter better defensively, following the Knicks debacle, the number of defensive miscues seem to be similar to what we've seen all year long. Everything from their inability to close out on shooters, allowng a stream of penetration into the lane and not keeping opponents off the offensive glass. Despite their sparking record, it's all still very troubling. If it weren't Pop wouldn't bring it up every time someone sticks a microphone in his face.

Personally, I just don't believe a team or coach can simply "snap their fingers" and make themselves better defenders. The discipline that is required to be an really good defensive team comes from paying attention to those fundamentals details. That must take place now. Perhaps, it will come during the upcoming RRT, maybe sooner. Whatever the case, this is an open wound that will affect just how far they go in the playoffs.

dbestpro
01-27-2011, 11:42 AM
For a while fans have compared the Spurs to the Patriots of football, but I think they are more like the Steelers.

The Pats come from the wealthy New England area while the Spurs are more lunch pail like the Steelers. I know Cowboy fan may not like that, but the Spurs will always be about the Ws and never about the glitz, just like the Steelers.

timaios
01-27-2011, 01:02 PM
For a while fans have compared the Spurs to the Patriots of football, but I think they are more like the Steelers.

The Pats come from the wealthy New England area while the Spurs are more lunch pail like the Steelers. I know Cowboy fan may not like that, but the Spurs will always be about the Ws and never about the glitz, just like the Steelers.

Except that the 2011 Spurs have the 2011 Patriots defense.
If only they had the Steelers defense. :depressed

polandprzem
01-27-2011, 01:43 PM
I understand why Pop says this, and I like that he does bc the media just eats it up. They'll say "see even pop says they cant beat the Lakers, Celts, or Heat". Which is not what he said at all. But most of the media still belives the Spurs are not contenders and Pop gives them lines to feed their idiotic, generic opinions.

Not alot of people believe the SPurs are legit and Pop gives them lines to help them.

The most important aspect of Pop saying it is that he wants to keep his players concentrated. And working towards better playing.

F that I'm sick


:pctoss

lefty
01-27-2011, 01:56 PM
KIA beating Duncan228 to the punch

MarHill
01-27-2011, 02:13 PM
That could all be true and I understand your point. It's just that, while the team had made some small strides at getter better defensively, following the Knicks debacle, the number of defensive miscues seem to be similar to what we've seen all year long. Everything from their inability to close out on shooters, allowng a stream of penetration into the lane and not keeping opponents off the offensive glass. Despite their sparking record, it's all still very troubling. If it weren't Pop wouldn't bring it up every time someone sticks a microphone in his face.

Personally, I just don't believe a team or coach can simply "snap their fingers" and make themselves better defenders. The discipline that is required to be an really good defensive team comes from paying attention to those fundamentals details. That must take place now. Perhaps, it will come during the upcoming RRT, maybe sooner. Whatever the case, this is an open wound that will affect just how far they go in the playoffs.

Senor Spur,

I do understand your concern about the Spurs defense.

However, this team has evolved into a more offensive-oriented attack with the capabilities of playing good defense. They are not the new Phoenix Suns or San Antonio Suns as many have suggested on the forum.

But, the days of winning games 80-75 are over. The Spurs realized they were not going to win anymore having limited offense players on the floor like Bowen, Rasho, Nazy, or Kurt Thomas.

So the defense will never be what it once was....but it can be good by the end of the season.

For example, let's look at the Hornets (Spurs Jr.) and the Bucks. Both are good to excellent defensive teams. However, neither team can score the ball well at all. Even though the Hornets have two excellent players in Paul and West. And the Bucks have a decent players in Bogut, Jennings, and Maggette.

Their defense will keep them in games in the regular season..but will get exposed against the better teams in the playoffs where coaching staffs have time to dissect their weak spots.

I do agree that the Spurs can't play no defense and win a championship. But with the evolution on this version of Spurs it will not be a constant lock-down mode like the past.

The key is to get better (go through the ups and downs) defensively and be ready once April is here.

However, there is no D-Rob or Bowen coming through the door anymore and the league wants more offense. The Spurs had to evolve with the times and us fans need to accept that reality.


Still good defense and excellent offense can win a championship.
:toast

senorglory
01-27-2011, 03:25 PM
i don't understand why the Spurs are so bad at guarding the 3 point line...

I don't think they necessarily are bad at defending the 3, despite the glaring stat cited in the article. I think they're good at defending the perimeter early in the shot clock, with hard rotations, which is forcing opposing teams to put up bad shots early in the shot clock, but that when the opposing team maintains possession and isn't pressured into putting up a bad shot early, the Spurs strong rotations leave the Spurs exposed to open threes, spot-up threes in particular, late in the shot clock-- and it's these late threes that give the appearance that the Spurs are bad at defending the three.

Spurs pick their poison, to some extent.

This is just my opinion, by the way.

xellos88330
01-27-2011, 03:28 PM
Tim Duncan told Popovich during the off season that the druid class in World of Warcraft was kick ass. Popovich asks why, and Timmy says that they can do everything, magic ranged DPS, healing, melee DPS, Tank. They aren't the best at everything but whoop ass because they can fill multiple roles really well. They will always have another players cryptonite.

Converting to basketball terms, Popovich sees the light. EUREKA!!!

YODA
01-27-2011, 03:46 PM
i don't understand why the Spurs are so bad at guarding the 3 point line...

while Spurs are second worse at defending the 3 point shot. Teams are currently shooting .396 versus spurs, but Spurs are also #1 as opposiing teams only attempted 287 attempts, which is the 4th least amount of shots taken in the league.

while teams seem to be making more shots, they still arent getting many oppertunities to do it. I care more that teams are taking less shots then making more of thier shot.

Other interesting stats include being #1 in least amount of FTs taken (opposing team) and #1 over all in least amount of fouls given out.

GrandeDavid
01-27-2011, 04:25 PM
spurs are the duke blue devils of the NBA.

Pretty good comparison. Very well-coached and prepared, hard working, pretty quiet players who handle their business. Very competitive and occasionally win a championship.