Put Kobe on this years Cavs team and what happens?

[TE]

Geez, what a mighty downfall for the cavaliers. Lebron leaves and the team snowballs from thereon into near NBA futility. Who would have thought?


With that said, say Kobe was put on this years cavs team, injuries notwithstanding. What happens?

Does Kobe duplicate the same success? Or does the display look like another pregasol Laker team (average team with Kobe chucking along)?

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Kobe would fail just like Lebron did. Pieces weren't enough with Lebron
wouldn't be enough with Kobe

[cobbler]

Geez, what a mighty downfall for the cavaliers. Lebron leaves and the team snowballs from thereon into near NBA futility. Who would have thought?


With that said, say Kobe was put on this years cavs team, injuries notwithstanding. What happens?

Does Kobe duplicate the same success? Or does the display look like another pregasol Laker team (average team with Kobe chucking along)?


I think the bigger question would be... why do you care?

That you put the Cavs downfall simply on losing Lebrons basketball skills already shows your agenda. The Cavs are in the spot they are because Bron held them hostage for 3 years before he finally did tuck tail and run. Add to that, the injuries as you noted, the loss of a coach and learning a new system, the loss of big Z etc and there obviously is more than just replacing Bron with Kobe.

Nice try! :toast

[UnWantedTheory]

Geez, what a mighty downfall for the cavaliers. Lebron leaves and the team snowballs from thereon into near NBA futility. Who would have thought?


With that said, say Kobe was put on this years cavs team, injuries notwithstanding. What happens?

Does Kobe duplicate the same success? Or does the display look like another pregasol Laker team (average team with Kobe chucking along)?
1st round exit at most and even that might be a stretch. Too much has happened to that team.

[Texas_Ranger]

If all the players would be healthy then I think they make the Playoffs. With all the problems with injuries even Kobe can't save them.

[TheMACHINE]

No big z, no west, no shaq, no mike brown, varejao out, damaged Gibson, damaged mo williams. not even Jordan can save this team.

[024]

:lol you now you're in trouble when you're missing west's 8 ppg or ilgauskas's 7 ppg. btw, west, shaq, and ilgauskas all suffered injuries last season as well, keeping them out of around 20+ games each. lebron still managed to carry that team to the best record in the NBA. it's kind of weird how even then people underestimated the impact of lebron. now we know.

[ezau]

The Cavs would miss the playoffs, the way the Lakers did in 2005.

[baseline bum]

They could maybe make the playoffs in the East. Still, Kobe couldn't take Lamar Odom and Caron Butler to the playoffs in his prime, and now he's old and going to do much with Boobie Gibson and the last gasp of Antawn Jamison's career? Of course, the obvious answer is he'd miss the season unable to soldier through the debilitating injuries the media has constantly told us about the last 3 years or so.

[baseline bum]

I think the bigger question would be... why do you care?

That you put the Cavs downfall simply on losing Lebrons basketball skills already shows your agenda. The Cavs are in the spot they are because Bron held them hostage for 3 years before he finally did tuck tail and run. Add to that, the injuries as you noted, the loss of a coach and learning a new system, the loss of big Z etc and there obviously is more than just replacing Bron with Kobe.

Nice try! :toast

What a load of horseshit. Ilgauskas is a scrub who the Cavs never missed much when he was in Washington. In fact, they were 13-4 in the time he was gone: a 63 win pace. And this year's team was in the shitter long before Sideshow Bob and Williams got hurt. Having that hot streak at the beginning of the season where they were only pretty awful was a fluke.

[apalisoc_9]

How hot is kobes mom?

[JamStone]

This year's Cavs team is pretty bad. Shaq, Ilgauskas, Delonte individually weren't huge contributors last year, but losing all three collectively does make some difference. That said, no way in hell does a 32 year old Kobe carry the Cavs the way a 23-25 year old LeBron was able to do the last couple of seasons. LeBron is just way more physically capable of doing it then Kobe is now. But adding Kobe to the Cavs now would make them better, probably allow them to win some of the close losses they've had against bad teams and maybe on a good day where not only Kobe is playing well but a couple of guys are shooting the ball well, they could surprise a couple of average or slightly better average teams. In the Eastern Conference, adding Kobe to the Cavs I could see maybe 35-41 wins. Lol that might be enough for a 6th seed in the East.

[Muser]

With the shitfest that is the Eastern conference Kobe could easily take the Cavs to the playoffs.

[jacobdrj]

No big z, no west, no shaq, no mike brown, varejao out, damaged Gibson, damaged mo williams. not even Jordan can save this team.

Even Jordan couldn't will his Wizzard teams to the playoffs...

[cheguevara]

lottery team

[Killakobe81]

I think the bigger question would be... why do you care?

That you put the Cavs downfall simply on losing Lebrons basketball skills already shows your agenda. The Cavs are in the spot they are because Bron held them hostage for 3 years before he finally did tuck tail and run. Add to that, the injuries as you noted, the loss of a coach and learning a new system, the loss of big Z etc and there obviously is more than just replacing Bron with Kobe.

Nice try! :toast

Yep, Cobbler is right and weak troll attempt TBH ...i wont dignify this with a reply. Lebron, heat fans and San Antonio heat fans should be concerned with Boston not the Lakers or the sorry state of the Cavs ..

[KidCongo]

Jamison as a centrepiece of a team has never won. Then you're surrounding him with D league players, undrafted rookies, or players that can't speak english. Byron has nothing to work with at all. No-one can play D seeing Andy is out and I don't rate Boobie being better than average on defense. The team is historically bad. No perimeter player would save this team. It would take a prime TD, Shaq etc to make this team!

Playing with a star like Kobe or Lebron would give them great confidence but you know that players going to leave or bitch about it as soon as he can.

[Stringer_Bell]

Kobe would need Varejao and Big Z healthy too, I think they could pull 50+ wins. Kobe's just knows how to work with big men, take that as you will.

[CavsSuperFan]

Cause it is always about the Mighty Cavs...:tu

[TE]

For you Laker homers, the question posed on this tread is not a troll attempt. Be real with your answer and stop defending your boy Kobe.

[Blake]

Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

[Giuseppe]

Please.

If it's still 4-3 Duncan this thread doesn't even get lodged, Trig.

[Giuseppe]

Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

You'd stand a fine chance of finally going back-to-back.

[Blake]

You'd stand a fine chance of finally going back-to-back.

the Spurs didn't win last year.

[TE]

Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

Better. Manu could play with anyone given his style of play. He's a much better playmaker than Kobe. Kobe is a better all around player then Manu, but Manu kicks his ass in playmaking ability. :wow Imagine Manu running the show in LA with two great (sometimes, decent) bigs, Artest, L.O., and other decent players?

Crazy thing to think is the talent L.A. has hasn't helped them beat mediocre and upper echelon teams on any given night.


This "coasting" thing is bullshit. A team with that much talent wouldn't lose to the damn Kings..............at HOME. :lmao

[Giuseppe]

the Spurs didn't win last year.

Don't be obtuse, you know what I mean.

[Strike]

Put Kobe on this year's Cav team and the Lakers would blow.

[Blake]

Don't be obtuse, you know what I mean.

yes, I know what you meant but it didn't answer the question.

I tried to help you see that, but you too obtuse to catch it.

[ChrisRichards]

This years Kobe is good for at least 4-6 wins.

[Giuseppe]

yes, I know what you meant but it didn't answer the question.

I tried to help you see that, but you too obtuse to catch it.

:rolleyes

[jjktkk]

Kobe would need Varejao and Big Z healthy too, I think they could pull 50+ wins. Kobe's just knows how to work with big men, take that as you will.

Gasol and Bynum disagree with you.

[Blake]

:rolleyes

posting a rolleyes still doesn't answer the question or make you any less obtuse.

:rolleyes :rolleyes

[jjktkk]

Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

Pop would get tired of Kobe's 1 on 5 offensive philosphy and trade Kobe for a future 2nd round pick. :blah

[Giuseppe]

posting a rolleyes still doesn't answer the question or make you any less obtuse.

:rolleyes :rolleyes

You had to an asshole.

[history2b]

Geez, what a mighty downfall for the cavaliers. Lebron leaves and the team snowballs from thereon into near NBA futility. Who would have thought?


With that said, say Kobe was put on this years cavs team, injuries notwithstanding. What happens?

Does Kobe duplicate the same success? Or does the display look like another pregasol Laker team (average team with Kobe chucking along)?


Does he get Shaq, Big Z, Varajeo and Delonte back too?

[JamStone]

Better. Manu could play with anyone given his style of play. He's a much better playmaker than Kobe. Kobe is a better all around player then Manu, but Manu kicks his ass in playmaking ability. :wow Imagine Manu running the show in LA with two great (sometimes, decent) bigs, Artest, L.O., and other decent players?

Crazy thing to think is the talent L.A. has hasn't helped them beat mediocre and upper echelon teams on any given night.


This "coasting" thing is bullshit. A team with that much talent wouldn't lose to the damn Kings..............at HOME. :lmao

Manu is awesome, still one of my favorite player in the league. I wouldn't say Manu "kicks his ass" in playmaking. But the difference is that Manu is a much more willing playmaker. If Kobe were ever to play completely unselfishly, he has the talent and skill and vision to be one of the better (particularly non point guard) playmakers in the league. But that's one of the flaws in his game. He just doesn't think that way most of the time.

Playing with Duncan and for Pop might change the way Kobe played, at least a little bit. I think Kobe would utilize Duncan a lot more than people think he would. Kobe respects Duncan. And Duncan doesn't complain and is utterly selfless, so even when Kobe ballhogs, it wouldn't be a problem for Duncan. I think that would endear Duncan to Kobe even more so. Kobe on the Spurs now where Duncan isn't even the focal point of the offense anymore, I think Kobe fits right in and they're right about where they're at now. That's not only a testament to the Spurs but to how well Manu has played for much of the season.

[TheMACHINE]

For you Laker homers, the question posed on this tread is not a troll attempt. Be real with your answer and stop defending your boy Kobe.

so whats the answer? oh wait..its a WHAT IF scenario in which noone can answer the stupid question.

[Blake]

You had to an asshole.

I'm not being an asshole. Since you were obviously obtuse, I was clarifying the question and who was actually the one being obtuse.

Stop getting asshurt over a silly question that you were obtuse about.

[Giuseppe]

And you're still be the asshole.

[Blake]

And you're still be the asshole.

And you're still the asshurt.

over a silly messageboard question.

tee, hee

[Giuseppe]

And you're still the asshurt.

over a silly messageboard question.

tee, hee

That's because you turned it into something to get asshurt over, ya asshole, you.

[ChrisRichards]

Giuseppe, given a chance, would you poke my asshole, you asshole?

[Giuseppe]

Giuseppe, given a chance, would you poke my asshole, you asshole?

If you shaved it.

[ChrisRichards]

If you shaved it.:rollin

[Blake]

That's because you turned it into something to get asshurt over, ya asshole, you.

No, I really didn't.

That's why reading is such a fundamental part of asshurt avoidance.

[Giuseppe]

No, I really didn't.

That's why reading is such a fundamental part of asshurt avoidance.

We'll go all day, asshole.

[Blake]

We'll go all day, asshole.

Why would you want to stay asshurt all day instead of discussing basketball ?

That's rather telling.

[Giuseppe]

Why would you want to stay asshurt all day instead of discussing basketball ?

That's rather telling.

You're acting the bigger man, so you let it go first, asshole.

[Blake]

You're acting the bigger man, so you let it go first, asshole.

:lol Let what go?

You called me obtuse when it was you that failed at reading and answering the question.

It is what it is. No redness on my ass. If you want to stay asshurt about it, that's on you.

:lol moron.

[Giuseppe]

Asshole.

[Blake]

Asshole.

such a needless meltdown.

[Giuseppe]

Quit carrying it on, asshole.

Show me the way, big shot.

[Blake]

Quit carrying it on, asshole.

lol you carrying it on telling me to quit carrying it on.

lol


Show me the way, big shot.

You could avoid the asshurt by just talking basketball, dip shit.


Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

[Giuseppe]

You ain't no better than me, asshole.

[Blake]

You ain't no better than me, asshole.

Didn't say I was.


Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

[Giuseppe]

Big shot Blake.

Just another asshole.

[Giuseppe]

Ha, ha, I outlasted Blake and turned his light out.

lmvictoriousao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DMC]

Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?
Worse.

Kobe is a volume shooter, and the Spurs system does not allow for that every game. Pop wouldn't cater to Kobe. Kobe would pout and refuse to shoot at all. Kobe would become last year's RJ.

[Giuseppe]

If Pop broke ranks with his conscience and hired a rapist in Neal he'd cater to Kobe.

[21_Dickings]

If Pop broke ranks with his conscience and hired a rapist in Neal he'd cater to Kobe.

Amen, Father Culburn.

How'd you like that fresh batch of altar boys I sent you? Have you already suitably checked their assholes?

[Blake]

Big shot Blake.

Just another asshole.

Just another asshurt.


Put Kobe on this year's Spurs instead of Manu and what happens?

would the record be better, worse or just the same?

Just more failure to really answer.