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Mr.Bottomtooth
02-02-2011, 12:50 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Artest-110202

Lakers' Ron Artest hopes for trade

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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True Hollywood story: Being traded from the L.A. Lakers would be a dream come true for Ron Artest.
GM Mitch Kupchak, coach Phil Jackson and LA icon Magic Johnson just did what franchise pillars of their stature rarely do -- something Lakers officials never do, really -- by announcing to the world that the teetering two-time champs might need to make a trade.

Why?

Simple.

The Lakers have been so uncharacteristically public about the potential benefits of an injection of new blood because they know, with a league-high $90.4 million payroll and such limited trade assets, that threatening this locker room with a shakeup move is a far simpler gamble to execute than shaking things up with an actual deal before the Feb. 24 trading deadline.

However ...

I'm told that there's at least one prominent Laker who hopes he's the guy who gets shipped out in the next 20-odd days.

One source close to the situation insists that Ron Artest wants out.

Asked to react to that, Artest's agent David Bauman declined comment.

This is where I'm obligated to remind you that no one in the NBA can change his mind faster than the famously fickle Ron-Ron. Another pertinent disclaimer: Artest's play has been sufficiently sluggish in the second season of a five-year deal that whatever he wants is bound to be greeted by shrugs and scoffs, no matter how much he gave the Lakers in the epic final game of last season.

I've nonetheless been assured this week that Artest -- though he hasn't outright demanded a trade and is likely to publicly deny it -- is serious about wanting to be dealt somewhere "he can have fun again" less than a year removed from the pivotal role he played in that ring-clinching Game 7 with Boston that the Lakers so nearly squandered.

This much I can say about the source: It's not Artest's provocatively tweet-happy brother Daniel.

Yet many of the same complaints Daniel Artest revealed Tuesday via his Twitter feed were cited as reasons that Artest, leading into Tuesday night's home win over Houston in which he logged just 5.5 seconds of playing time in the fourth quarter and overtime, is hoping for a new address. He might have rewritten the way he'll be remembered when he retires by proving so remarkably reliable in the biggest game of his life -- while Kobe Bryant was shooting 6-for-24 in a Game 7 at home -- but the honeymoon sure sounds over.

Artest's two main beefs?

1. He's weary of being scapegoated for the team's struggles and feels that he's destined to always absorb the bulk of the blame no matter what happens because Jackson and Bryant are so dependent on the more glamorous contributions of Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom and will never publicly go after regal Laker lifer Derek Fisher.

2. As we heard at various points during his stops in Indiana, Sacramento and Houston, Artest is eventually going to squawk if he's being marginalized in the offense, which inevitably disengages him from his defensive responsibilities. (Relegated "to the corner shot" is the way Daniel Artest described it -- except that he said "regulated" and surely meant "relegated.")

It was stressed to me that Artest has actually coexisted better with Jackson since it emerged in December that Artest asked his coach to stop criticizing him so publicly and keep displeasure in-house. Despite Artest's increasingly regular stints on the bench in crunch time, I get the distinct vibe that settling for offensive scraps in the shadow of Kobe and Pau while absorbing the hottest heat on afternoons like Sunday when Paul Pierce erupts for 32 points has soured Artest far more than Jackson's frequently sharp tongue.

The reality, of course, is that Artest is not very tradable no matter how much he'd like to be relocated. Not with the way he's producing and moving.

The Lakers want to believe focus has been Artest's bigger problem as opposed to advancing age. They cling to the hope that he can still deliver physicality and reliability when the game slows down in the postseason and between-games rest can refuel Artest and others, too.

Yet it seems safe to suggest that the 31-year-old, producing career-low numbers almost everywhere you look on the stat sheet, has given prospective suitors fresh reason -- piled onto the old baggage that dissuades teams that don't have the Lakers' conviction or a Jackson to manage the situation -- to balk at taking on a contract that still has three years and nearly $22 million remaining after this season. Especially in this climate of widespread fear about how restrictive the league's next labor pact will be.

None of that, though, has convinced Artest to back off. Not yet, anyway.

Dare I say he's been fined too many times to get sucked into publicly asking out -- which is obviously a legit dare in this case -- but I continue to hear that this is more than mere venting and that a trade is what Artest is rooting for.

Which means the Lakers have 22 days to somehow find a destination for him ... or 73 days before the start of the playoffs to diffuse the biggest Artest crisis they've faced so far and get him plugged back in after essentially trading away Trevor Ariza to get him.

Cry Havoc
02-02-2011, 12:56 PM
Who is going to trade for Artest given his massive salary?

Watch the Lakers dump Artest + Walton for Melo.

jjktkk
02-02-2011, 01:00 PM
You knew it would be only a matter of time till the Ron Ron meltdown.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:00 PM
You knew it would be only a matter of time till the Ron Ron meltdown.

If so, the one in the can makes it's palatable.

Bito Corleone
02-02-2011, 01:02 PM
Who is going to trade for Artest given his massive salary?

Watch the Lakers dump Artest + Walton for Melo.

Book it

lefty
02-02-2011, 01:02 PM
Artest+Walton to the NBA Hornets for CP3

DPG21920
02-02-2011, 01:03 PM
LA got what they wanted out him. The ring alone makes his crappy contract worth it.

ElNono
02-02-2011, 01:07 PM
I wanna hear it from Ron Ron's mouth... Stein has been full of hot air before...

Venti Quattro
02-02-2011, 01:09 PM
I'll hold on to Artest just to keep Luke Walton away from the court.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:09 PM
la got what they wanted out him. The ring alone makes his crappy contract worth it.

dpg

Double-Up
02-02-2011, 01:10 PM
I told you stupid fucks this day would come...the honeymoon is officially over.

nkdlunch
02-02-2011, 01:12 PM
Artest for RJ.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=48g5q76

:D

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:12 PM
^See DPG, Dubs.

baseline bum
02-02-2011, 01:16 PM
You knew it would be only a matter of time till the Ron Ron meltdown.

They can't complain though, since he rescued Kobe's ass in the biggest game of either of their careers.

TheMACHINE
02-02-2011, 01:16 PM
I told you stupid fucks this day would come...the honeymoon is officially over.

who cares...he got his ring..he did his job...moving on.

Venti Quattro
02-02-2011, 01:16 PM
Artest for RJ.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=48g5q76

:D

http://www.ibtimes.com/data/articlethumbs/thumb_146835-luke-walton.jpg

ElNono
02-02-2011, 01:16 PM
If true, this would be a significant blow to have Ron disgruntled now that Barnes is still injured...

DPG21920
02-02-2011, 01:16 PM
They can't complain though, since he rescued Kobe's ass in the biggest game of either of their careers.


who cares...he got his ring..he did his job...moving on.

These two get it.

TheMACHINE
02-02-2011, 01:18 PM
bye bye Bynum/Artest. Hello Melo/Nene

easy7
02-02-2011, 01:18 PM
I knew when he got rid of the ring that he did not give an F about the Lakers.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:18 PM
These two get it.

I got it first, DPG!

nkdlunch
02-02-2011, 01:18 PM
who cares...he got his ring..he did his job...moving on.

wrong, he auctioned his ring away

he has no ring

TheMACHINE
02-02-2011, 01:19 PM
When this trade goes down...will Artest be ringless like the King?

DPG21920
02-02-2011, 01:19 PM
bye bye Bynum/Artest. Hello Melo/Nene

Why would Denver do that? Unless you were joking.

TheMACHINE
02-02-2011, 01:19 PM
wrong, he auctioned his ring away

he has no ring

ahh youre right.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:19 PM
wrong, he auctioned his ring away

he has no ring

:rolleyes

TheMACHINE
02-02-2011, 01:19 PM
Why would Denver do that? Unless you were joking.

Mitch's Magic Wand my friend.

DPG21920
02-02-2011, 01:20 PM
Gross.

jjktkk
02-02-2011, 01:21 PM
Why would Denver do that? Unless you were joking.

Machine fantasizing. Good one too.

baseline bum
02-02-2011, 01:21 PM
bye bye Bynum/Artest. Hello Melo/Nene

Did West move to the Rockies or something?

nkdlunch
02-02-2011, 01:23 PM
Machine fantasizing.

and fantasizing about Kupchack's magic stick nonetheless

TinTin
02-02-2011, 01:25 PM
woah, I thought kobe made his teammates better and elevated their gameplay?

Venti Quattro
02-02-2011, 01:28 PM
Gross.


Machine fantasizing. Good one too.


Did West move to the Rockies or something?


and fantasizing about Kupchack's magic stick nonetheless

You better be ready with your trade committee fellas

nkdlunch
02-02-2011, 01:31 PM
essentially trading away Trevor Ariza to get him.


what does lakerfan have to say about this?

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:34 PM
what does lakerfan have to say about this?

We rang with each.

Venti Quattro
02-02-2011, 01:35 PM
We rang with each.

Cubby with the fuckin goods :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

jjktkk
02-02-2011, 01:36 PM
We rang with each.

You do have Ron Artest lite, once he returns from injury.

Double-Up
02-02-2011, 01:37 PM
ahh youre right.

:lol...chin checked

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 01:38 PM
You do have Ron Artest lite, once he returns from injury.

And don't forget:::we got Odom on the cheap because he was packaged with Artest.

It was Odom & Artest OR Ariza.

nkdlunch
02-02-2011, 01:55 PM
We rang with each.

true. But Lakers + Ariza could be in contention for their 3rd rather than Lakers + Artest in contention for biggest drama queen in history.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 02:03 PM
true. But Lakers + Ariza could be in contention for their 3rd rather than Lakers + Artest in contention for biggest drama queen in history.

But, we didn't have that choice. Odom wanted Artest. After Florida, we owed Odom. So Buss in his genius devised the coup de tat:::give Odom & Artest an amount to split. Let Odom split it, and Artest choose the split.

It was either Odom & Artest, or, Ariza.

cobbler
02-02-2011, 02:16 PM
Lakers all over the media just weeks prior to an All Star game in LA? Noooooooo, never see this before. Just Ron getting his I need attention on. If he really does want to be dealt and is, his defense against KD and the game 7 performance are worth every penny of his total contract.

nkdlunch
02-02-2011, 02:20 PM
It was either Odom & Artest, or, Ariza.

Marc Stein disagrees.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 02:23 PM
Marc Stein disagrees.

Figures, he needs to make a dollar & a dime.

Killakobe81
02-02-2011, 02:47 PM
LOL Truth be told ...

Playing for the Lakers is a pressure cooker unlike any other ... many have failed to meet expectaions under the bright lights of playing for the glamour franchise of the NBA.

As cubby and Venti pointed out he helped us get 16 ... so everything else including this latest drama and his offensive struggles are all worth it.

j.dizzle
02-02-2011, 03:20 PM
Ron is a funny & good guy but he needs to be the 2nd or 3rd option on a team to be really happy. He's the 5th or 6th option with LA & he's just not bright enough to understand the triangle. We'll see what happens.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 03:23 PM
He could be playing possum on the defensive end not putting his hands on people like he did in the playoffs so they'll be no precedent set before April. Like when I run away and hide from old lady so she can't order me off this Board.

Sean Cagney
02-02-2011, 03:30 PM
You knew it would be only a matter of time till the Ron Ron meltdown.

Like clockwork, this guy is a damn nutcase and will do this with any team.

DJ Mbenga
02-02-2011, 03:52 PM
the only trade i can think of is an ugly one. villauneva for artest but then i dont even know if the salaries match up.

mingus
02-02-2011, 03:57 PM
His contract blows and it wasn't worth the ring if it means it was only one and not 2 or 3, which would've been the case with Ariza.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 03:58 PM
His contract blows and it wasn't worth the ring if it means it was only one and not 2 or 3, which would've been the case with Ariza.

:rolleyes

history2b
02-02-2011, 04:00 PM
Marc Stein disagrees.


And basic math trumps Marc Stein.

You pay Ariza what he and his agent were lobbying and you can't afford to keep Odom.

Lakers made the right move and Trevor walked away with his tail between his legs accepting the same offer from a crap team.

history2b
02-02-2011, 04:02 PM
His contract blows and it wasn't worth the ring if it means it was only one and not 2 or 3, which would've been the case with Ariza.


2 or 3?

With Ariza its unlikely the Lakers grind it out against Boston last season.

Trevor Ariza has to be the most overrated role player of all time.

DJ Mbenga
02-02-2011, 04:05 PM
stein is standing behind his story. he is saying since you get fined for asking for a trade they are just doing it behind closed doors to save cash

Killakobe81
02-02-2011, 04:06 PM
His contract blows and it wasn't worth the ring if it means it was only one and not 2 or 3, which would've been the case with Ariza.

What?! Mingy tsk, tsk. You do REALIZE that one title is 25% of the titles YOUR franchise has ...total? Even for the Celts and Lakers ONE title is worth a heavy price ...Potland, miami, Washington, Seattle only have one period.

Do you also realize that the spurs window closes with Duncan? One more title is more important than consecutive 50 win seasons or playoff appearances.

If someone could garuntee the 3peat I would trade missing the playoffs the following three seasons without hesitation ...

jjktkk
02-02-2011, 04:11 PM
And basic math trumps Marc Stein.

You pay Ariza what he and his agent were lobbying and you can't afford to keep Odom.

Lakers made the right move and Trevor walked away with his tail between his legs accepting the same offer from a crap team.

It worked out well last year,but now you get to deal with the straightjacket version of Ron Ron with a ugly contract to boot.

Giuseppe
02-02-2011, 04:15 PM
It worked out well last year,but now you get to deal with the straightjacket version of Ron Ron with a ugly contract to boot.

If that woulda been the deal offered before last season I'd a taken it.

Would you if you'd a gotten the offer, jj?

Guaranteed a ring, but, after that he'd probably revert to form.

history2b
02-02-2011, 04:21 PM
I'll take straightjacket Ron on my team any day. I'd actually like to see the real mad man Ron return to the hardwood come April.

DJ Mbenga
02-02-2011, 04:24 PM
http://twitter.com/Lakers/status/32911672377090049

Texas_Ranger
02-02-2011, 04:30 PM
Ron + Walton for Gay

crc21209
02-02-2011, 04:42 PM
:lol The guy isnt "all there." We know that. He doesnt care about anyone or anything but himself...

Mr.Bottomtooth
05-07-2011, 12:27 AM
bump. Would this have made things any different? Well, aside from saving Barea's face of course.

SpurOutofTownFan
05-07-2011, 12:47 AM
he's probably going to undress for someone else and that's a deal