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Yonivore
09-27-2004, 08:43 PM
...never met a dictator he didn't like.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040927/capt.sge.nbp41.270904140152.photo01.default-365x277.jpg

You know, I'd say his latest rantings are a manifestation of senility or, god forbid, onset of alzheimers, but...alas, he's been talking out his ass like this since losing to Ronald Wilson Reagan in 1980.

I bet Roselyn wishes he'd just shut the **** up and build houses.

Seriously, Jimmy Carter is an idiot, or a moron, or a rube, take your pick. The man who had lust in his heart now has haze in his head. After certifying flagrantly flawed balloting from one corrupt tyranny to the next (much to the gratitude of thugs like Arafat and Chavez), Carter now states in a Washington Post op-ed piece (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52800-2004Sep26.html) (requires subscription) that Florida won't meet those, ahem, lofty standards.

You can't make this stuff up, folks. If only Bush were a despotic dictator or a Demoncrat, then he'd be in the former peanut farmer's good graces.

Hook Dem
09-27-2004, 09:08 PM
"I bet Roselyn wishes he'd just shut the **** up and build houses." ............More like shut the **** up and eat your peanuts before someone remembers Billy!:lol Hell, lets have some Billy Beer to go with that!

Yonivore
09-27-2004, 10:29 PM
From Drudge:

"Mon Sep 27 2004 20:33:05 ET"

"Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's office yesterday said charges by former President Jimmy Carter that the state is 'likely' to have a repetition of the voting problems that plagued the 2000 election are politically motivated by Democrats intent on undermining voter confidence in the state."

"The WASHINGTON TIMES's Joe Curl will report on Tuesday: State officials also said the former president made no attempt to get up-to-date information before writing an opinion piece and never tried to contact the governor's office or that of Secretary of State Glenda Hood."

"'This is a shockingly partisan opinion piece and it's unfortunate that a person such as the former president is being used by the Democratic Party for low-level political rhetoric,' said Jacob DiPietre, press secretary for Gov. Jeb Bush."

"Developing..."
Where does he think he is, "Palestine?"

LandSharkII
09-27-2004, 10:42 PM
What is truly scary is that this fool was once the President of the United States.

As president, Carter made the United States look foolish when dealing with Leonid Brezhnev and Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, and now he has the unmitigated gall to suggest that Venezuela's recent fraudulent presidential referendum was more fair than our own upcoming presidential election will be. :flipoff

Thank God the American people had the good sense to dump this turkey back in 1980 and elect a real Commander-in-Chief: Ronald Reagan.

Nbadan
09-28-2004, 03:07 AM
I wonder how many Bushiveks will be screaming voter fraud when W. loses in November?


The group prevented from voting has few defenders in either party: felons. It has been well reported that Florida denies its nearly half a million former convicts the right to vote. However, the media have completely missed the fact that Florida's own courts have repeatedly told the Governor he may not take away the civil rights of Florida citizens who committed crimes in other states, served their time and had their rights restored by those states.

People from other states who have arrived in Florida with a felony conviction in their past number "clearly over 50,000 and likely over 100,000," says criminal demographics expert Jeffrey Manza of Northwestern University. Manza estimates that 80 percent arrive with voting rights intact, which they do not forfeit by relocating to Florida.

Nevertheless, agencies controlled by Harris and Bush ordered county officials to reject attempts by these eligible voters to register, while, publicly, the governor's office states that it adheres to court rulings not to obstruct these ex-offenders in the exercise of their civil rights. Further, with the aid of a Republican-tied database firm, Harris's office used sophisticated computer programs to hunt those felons eligible to vote and ordered them thrown off the voter registries.

After reviewing The Nation's findings, voter demographics authority David Bositis concluded that the purge-and-block program was "a patently obvious technique to discriminate against black voters." Bositis, senior research associate at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington, DC, notes that based on nationwide conviction rates, African-Americans would account for 46 percent of the ex-felon group wrongly disfranchised. Corroborating Bositis's estimate, the Hillsborough County elections supervisor found that 54 percent of the voters targeted by the "scrub" are African-American, in a county where blacks make up 11 percent of the voting population.

Bositis suggests that the block-and-purge program "must have had a partisan motivation. Why else spend $4 million if they expected no difference in the ultimate vote count?" Florida's black voters gave Al Gore nine out of ten of their votes; white and Hispanic felons, mostly poor, vote almost as solidly Democratic. A recently released University of Minnesota study estimates that, for example, 93 percent of felons of all races favored Bill Clinton in 1996. Whatever Florida's motive for keeping these qualified voters out of the polling booths on November 7, the fact is that they represented several times George W. Bush's margin of victory in the state. Key officials in Bush's and Harris's agencies declined our requests for comment.

The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&s=palast)

Nbadan
09-28-2004, 03:19 AM
New York, NY -- Documents obtained from the State of Florida reveal that the state’s “felon match” list for purging voters may include many of 25,585 people whose voting rights have been restored through clemency grants or pardons. Unless corrective action is taken, those wrongly placed on the purge list will be unable to vote in this year’s presidential election.

The Florida Division of Elections (DOE) attempts to identify registered voters who should be taken off the rolls because of previous felony convictions, using criminal history data supplied by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. To avoid the disfranchisement of eligible voters, people with felony convictions who have been granted clemency and had their voting rights restored must be removed from that group; otherwise, their names may be wrongly purged from the voter rolls.

According to research by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, the Florida Division of Elections database identifies 145,823 individuals who have been granted clemency since 1964. Documents obtained from the Florida Office of Executive Clemency show a different – and larger – number of records of processed clemency cases and pardons over the same period, tallying 171,408 individuals. (To obtain the State of Florida documents and source data click here.)

“What explains DOE’s apparent undercount of people whose voting rights have been restored?” asks Jessie Allen, associate counsel at the Brennan Center. “If officials at the Division of Elections know of the larger tally of people who have regained their voting rights, they should explain why they are allowing these citizens to end up on the purge lists. On the other hand, if the Clemency Office’s tally comes as news to them, they need to deal with this problem in a hurry.”

Brennan Center (http://www.brennancenter.org/presscenter/releases_2004/pressrelease_2004_0608.html)

Need any more evidence President Carter is right?

Yonivore
09-28-2004, 10:21 AM
And how many of those people have re-applied for voter registration cards?

Hook Dem
09-28-2004, 10:32 AM
"I wonder how many Bushiveks will be screaming voter fraud when W. loses in November?" ..............
Not nearly as many as Gores and Carters who will be crying when Kerry loses!:lol

IcemanCometh
09-28-2004, 10:47 AM
What is truly scary is that this fool was once the President of the United States.

People will be saying that about Bush in the future.

Hook Dem
09-28-2004, 10:54 AM
"People will be saying that about Bush in the future." ..............Lets see now Iceman......that would be you and Dan ....Right?:lol

spurster
09-28-2004, 11:45 AM
Here's the article people are screaming about:

Still Seeking a Fair Florida Vote

By Jimmy Carter
Monday, September 27, 2004; Page A19

After the debacle in Florida four years ago, former president Gerald Ford and I were asked to lead a blue-ribbon commission to recommend changes in the American electoral process. After months of concerted effort by a dedicated and bipartisan group of experts, we presented unanimous recommendations to the president and Congress. The government responded with the Help America Vote Act of October 2002. Unfortunately, however, many of the act's key provisions have not been implemented because of inadequate funding or political disputes.

The disturbing fact is that a repetition of the problems of 2000 now seems likely, even as many other nations are conducting elections that are internationally certified to be transparent, honest and fair.

The Carter Center has monitored more than 50 elections, all of them held under contentious, troubled or dangerous conditions. When I describe these activities, either in the United States or in foreign forums, the almost inevitable questions are: "Why don't you observe the election in Florida?" and "How do you explain the serious problems with elections there?"

The answer to the first question is that we can monitor only about five elections each year, and meeting crucial needs in other nations is our top priority. (Our most recent ones were in Venezuela and Indonesia, and the next will be in Mozambique.) A partial answer to the other question is that some basic international requirements for a fair election are missing in Florida.

The most significant of these requirements are:

* A nonpartisan electoral commission or a trusted and nonpartisan official who will be responsible for organizing and conducting the electoral process before, during and after the actual voting takes place. Although rarely perfect in their objectivity, such top administrators are at least subject to public scrutiny and responsible for the integrity of their decisions. Florida voting officials have proved to be highly partisan, brazenly violating a basic need for an unbiased and universally trusted authority to manage all elements of the electoral process.

* Uniformity in voting procedures, so that all citizens, regardless of their social or financial status, have equal assurance that their votes are cast in the same way and will be tabulated with equal accuracy. Modern technology is already in use that makes electronic voting possible, with accurate and almost immediate tabulation and with paper ballot printouts so all voters can have confidence in the integrity of the process. There is no reason these proven techniques, used overseas and in some U.S. states, could not be used in Florida.

It was obvious that in 2000 these basic standards were not met in Florida, and there are disturbing signs that once again, as we prepare for a presidential election, some of the state's leading officials hold strong political biases that prevent necessary reforms.

Four years ago, the top election official, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, was also the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney state campaign committee. The same strong bias has become evident in her successor, Glenda Hood, who was a highly partisan elector for George W. Bush in 2000. Several thousand ballots of African Americans were thrown out on technicalities in 2000, and a fumbling attempt has been made recently to disqualify 22,000 African Americans (likely Democrats), but only 61 Hispanics (likely Republicans), as alleged felons.

The top election official has also played a leading role in qualifying Ralph Nader as a candidate, knowing that two-thirds of his votes in the previous election came at the expense of Al Gore. She ordered Nader's name be included on absentee ballots even before the state Supreme Court ruled on the controversial issue.

Florida's governor, Jeb Bush, naturally a strong supporter of his brother, has taken no steps to correct these departures from principles of fair and equal treatment or to prevent them in the future.

It is unconscionable to perpetuate fraudulent or biased electoral practices in any nation. It is especially objectionable among us Americans, who have prided ourselves on setting a global example for pure democracy. With reforms unlikely at this late stage of the election, perhaps the only recourse will be to focus maximum public scrutiny on the suspicious process in Florida.

TheMrPeanut
09-28-2004, 12:33 PM
I'm nuts about Jimmy!!