Jim Buss reportedly vetoes Melo/Bynum Deal

[PGDynasty24]

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
by EricPincus
Sources say that Jim Buss recently rejected a Bynum for Carmelo deal, much to the dismay of Kobe and Phil
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[Venti Quattro]

LOL, Kobe still has his "ship his ass out" juice running in him :lmao

[benefactor]

Good decision.

[Muser]

Thinking about it more good move by Buss tbh, they'd have a frontcourt of Melo/Pau/Artest/Odom/Joe Smith/Ratliff and Caracter. They'd have no trade assets to ship for a starting C and a Gasol/Smith/Ratliff rotation at the 5 would get skullfucked by most frontlines.

[Koolaid_Man]

FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
by EricPincus
Sources say that Jim Buss recently rejected a Bynum for Carmelo deal, much to the dismay of Kobe and Phil
14 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply


PG you posting old tweets with no links...:lol you know that was his position before recent these recent trade discussions....that is an old tweet so stop fooling the masses...:lol however...LA is prolly being used as negotiation leverage...I just hopes it gains traction...glass knees Bynum ain't gonna get it done...we'll still be able to get Howard with this deal...we'll just have to do it around a package of Odom and Artest...:lol

[Venti Quattro]

Jim Buss was the guy who was the mastermind in drafting Bynum. Nothing to see here

[Koolaid_Man]

No way would we pass on that deal. Nuggets wouldn't settle for that weak package anyway.


it's better than what NY is offering...they're literally throwing shit at Denver...Wilson fucking chandler, some other scrub and pick...:lmao

I'd take the Bynum deal...:lol

[BlackSwordsMan]

bynum is the next magic they must be bummed

[Cry Havoc]

No way would we pass on that deal. Nuggets wouldn't settle for that weak package anyway.

What would you (realistically) give up for Melo? Would you do Bynum/Odom? Bynum/Brown? Bynum/Barnes?

[Koolaid_Man]

What would you (realistically) give up for Melo? Would you do Bynum/Odom? Bynum/Brown? Bynum/Barnes?


Bynum and a small no Bynum and other Big....Bynum/ Brown works for me...

[Bito Corleone]

Thinking about it more good move by Buss tbh, they'd have a frontcourt of Melo/Pau/Artest/Odom/Joe Smith/Ratliff and Caracter. They'd have no trade assets to ship for a starting C and a Gasol/Smith/Ratliff rotation at the 5 would get skullfucked by most frontlines.

They're going to be playing without Bynum anyway, he's bound to get hurt any day now. Might as well get a player like Melo rather than there just being an empty hole there.

[George Gervin's Afro]

This just in...Bynum's hurt again!

[bostonguy]

Smart move by LA. They aren't stupid. They know this trade makes that frontcourt weak as shit.

[hater]

the LA Heatles???

[history2b]

This trade is somewhat debatable when Bynum is healthy like he is now.

If that kid has another injury between now and the end of the playoffs everyone will be talking about passing up on this supposed deal.

I would be concerned about the lack of size in the middle if the trade were to happen and would expect the Lakers to address that issue with another trade.

[dbestpro]

Nuggets just trying to use the Lakers as their whore to get the Knicks to the alter.

[Koolaid_Man]

This trade is somewhat debatable when Bynum is healthy like he is now.

If that kid has another injury between now and the end of the playoffs everyone will be talking about passing up on this supposed deal.

I would be concerned about the lack of size in the middle if the trade were to happen and would expect the Lakers to address that issue with another trade.


history would you keep flying over the pond to England in plane who's engine could fail at any moment...at some point in time the risk is just not worth the reward...Get a new plane and plug in where you need to...hell bring Shawn Bradley and Greg Ostertag out of retirement if you have to but get this deal done...

[lefty]

Buss will eventually cave in because Phil and Kobe won't stop bitching.

His father fired Westhead because Magic didn't see enough high fives :cry

[history2b]

history would you keep flying over the pond to England in plane who's engine could fail at any moment...at some point in time the risk is just not worth the reward...Get a new plane and plug in where you need to...hell bring Shawn Bradley and Greg Ostertag out of retirement if you have to but get this deal done...


Haha, no I agree. It is something I've been concerned with all season too. Melo is the kind of player that is worth it because he is a bonafide star but I'd still need some kind of reassurance that Artest and or Luke will be moved for a bulky defensive type. Kendrick Perkins would be perfect actually.

[DPG21920]

This is a deal that makes LA worse, but they have to take it if it is really just Bynum for melo.

[LnGrrrR]

21 Blessings is conspicuous by his absence in this thread.

[LnGrrrR]

Haha, no I agree. It is something I've been concerned with all season too. Melo is the kind of player that is worth it because he is a bonafide star but I'd still need some kind of reassurance that Artest and or Luke will be moved for a bulky defensive type. Kendrick Perkins would be perfect actually.

Honestly, are Laker fans fucking insane? Did the Gasol trade just completely warp their minds re: trade impossibility or what?

[in2deep]

do it mitch.

I can just imagine Melo's face when Kobe takes the last 12 shots of a game.

[Mugen]

Honestly, are Laker fans fucking insane? Did the Gasol trade just completely warp their minds re: trade impossibility or what?

most of them don't realize that the NBA gifted them Gasol and now that Beans on his last legs, Stern is shifting his focus to getting the Knicks back in contention.

lmao at luke walton for perkins

[Muser]

lakerfan talking about trading for Kendrick Perkins? For fucking Ron Artest and Luke Walton? That's a new low in lakerfan existence on spurstalk.

[Muser]

tbh Spurs should trade Matt Bonner for big daddy Tyson.

[history2b]

This is a deal that makes LA worse, but they have to take it if it is really just Bynum for melo.


I definitely don't think it makes the Lakers worse. You can argue it changes one unique advantage in place for another but when the other is more reliable its hard to argue it's "worse."

[history2b]

lakerfan talking about trading for Kendrick Perkins? For fucking Ron Artest and Luke Walton? That's a new low in lakerfan existence on spurstalk.

I wasn't suggesting trading for him dimwit.

I used him as a reference for the type of player the Lakers would need.

Why are Spurs fans so dumb?

[LnGrrrR]

I wasn't suggesting trading for him dimwit.

I used him as a reference for the type of player the Lakers would need.

Why are Spurs fans so dumb?

The way you wrote it, it could've been taken either way. I agree that a Perkins-type player on the Lakers would be good, but good luck getting that with an Artest/Walton combo. Which team has a defensive-minded player who's willing to take those two garbage contracts?

[history2b]

The way you wrote it, it could've been taken either way. I agree that a Perkins-type player on the Lakers would be good, but good luck getting that with an Artest/Walton combo. Which team has a defensive-minded player who's willing to take those two garbage contracts?

I think it goes without saying that the Lakers and Celtics, under the current circumstances would never trade with one another.

Sasha trade exception, Shannon Brown, future draft picks. All sorts of the combinations could be constructed. I pointed to Ron and Luke because the Lakers would have too many SF's, not that they'd be able to move them both.

The problem is that there are very few players who fit the bill of what the Lakers would need and even fewer that are even potentially available.

[Muser]

Ron and Luke aren't going to bring back anything the Lakers could use as a replacement, and you can't package a trade exception with a player. Only thing that L.A could trade would be Odom and a pick, but obviously that won't happen.

[Koolaid_Man]

Perk ain't shit...

[DPG21920]

I definitely don't think it makes the Lakers worse. You can argue it changes one unique advantage in place for another but when the other is more reliable its hard to argue it's "worse."

I think it makes them worse. While they improve in overall talent, they negate their biggest advantage (height) somewhat. They also get weaker defensively on the perimeter and inside. They have enough offense as is with Kobe/pau/lo and their biggest weakness offensively (3 pt shooting) Melo does not address.

[history2b]

I think it makes them worse. While they improve in overall talent, they negate their biggest advantage (height) somewhat. They also get weaker defensively on the perimeter and inside. They have enough offense as is with Kobe/pau/lo and their biggest weakness offensively (3 pt shooting) Melo does not address.


I still disagree that it would make them worse.

As it is Bynum only plays what? 1st 3rd quarters and little stretches here and there.

When the Lakers want to win a game down the stretch who do they play? Not Andrew Bynum. This is what negates what you seem to think is so valuable for the Lakers.

If Bynum was the guy finishing games I'd agree with you.... well that and if he could stay healthy consistently.

But right now, when you consider Odom and Gasol play ahead of him anyway, adding Carmelo who is an excellent 3p shooter and still very young / energetic etc, that would add a whole other dimension to the Lakers.

[Phillip]

bynum is what keeps gasol out of foul trouble early in games. if gasol is manning the paint virtually all game, he is going to either give up a lot of easy buckets with his soft defense, or is going to get in foul trouble every game.

if the lakers had bynum against the celtics in 08, they probably win the championship.

[jjktkk]

bynum is what keeps gasol out of foul trouble early in games. If gasol is manning the paint virtually all game, he is going to either give up a lot of easy buckets with his soft defense, or is going to get in foul trouble every game.

If the lakers had bynum against the celtics in 08, they probably win the championship.

+1.

[Kyle Orton]

I still disagree that it would make them worse.

As it is Bynum only plays what? 1st 3rd quarters and little stretches here and there.

When the Lakers want to win a game down the stretch who do they play? Not Andrew Bynum. This is what negates what you seem to think is so valuable for the Lakers.

If Bynum was the guy finishing games I'd agree with you.... well that and if he could stay healthy consistently.

But right now, when you consider Odom and Gasol play ahead of him anyway, adding Carmelo who is an excellent 3p shooter and still very young / energetic etc, that would add a whole other dimension to the Lakers.

This logic is sound for the most part, but Bynum eating up minutes at C limits the wear on Gasol and indirectly makes him better when he's closing games as the C. Regardless, I agree with you that this trade makes LA a better team, and in playoff games, what happens the first 40 minutes of the game often times doesn't matter

The only concerns are how Artest reacts to it and replacing Bynum's minutes with a serviceable big man (you don't need a three headed monster like Bynum/Gasol/Odom when you have Kobe and Melo). If Artest can be a serviceable guy off the bench and they have a way to get a C who can play 20 or so MPG, it's a GREAT trade. At the least it gives them a legit star to build around post-Kobe.

[dbreiden83080]

it's better than what NY is offering...they're literally throwing shit at Denver...Wilson fucking chandler, some other scrub and pick...:lmao

I'd take the Bynum deal...:lol

Bynum is shit.. All he does is get hurt.. The NY deal is waaay better and they will likely add more..

[DPG21920]

I agree w the logic as well 2b which is why I said it only somewhat negates their size advantage. Only one of Odom or Bynum will be playing in the 4th quarter so not having the other is moot there. But as others and myself alluded to, it's the first 3 quarters this hurts.

Melo still doesn't address their spacing/3pt shooting though.

[LnGrrrR]

I think it goes without saying that the Lakers and Celtics, under the current circumstances would never trade with one another.

Cmon history, you've got Koolaid thinking that you can trade Artest/Walton for Nene/Melo. Lakerfans don't have a lot of cred. :lol

[LnGrrrR]

Perk ain't shit...

Yeah, Ratliff will shit all over him. :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Kyle Orton]

Melo still doesn't address their spacing/3pt shooting though.

He doesn't address it but he somewhat "helps" it. God knows he spaces the floor better than Artest:lol

Also one thing to think about with Melo is that he can have the ball in his hands more and Kobe can play off ball. When Kobe is off ball, he's just as good a spot up shooter/spacer as anyone else.

[LnGrrrR]

I think if Odom were more reliable/dependable, it would negate the loss of Bynum. But you never know which Odom will show up.

[Banzai]

I think if Odom were more reliable/dependable, it would negate the loss of Bynum. But you never know which Odom will show up.

True, he gets a 20/20 one game..lays an egg the next.

[cobbler]

I think if Odom were more reliable/dependable, it would negate the loss of Bynum. But you never know which Odom will show up.

Well, this year Odom has played well and consistant. Could be argued that he is this years Lakers MVP.

[history2b]

I agree with you all that Bynum provides that obvious advantage for the Lakers frontline rotation, gives Gasol rest etc. But he's still unreliable. We're talking about him now, when he's healthy like that somehow stays constant like a normal human being.

As a Laker fan, I support Andrew, I like the things he does out there but he's too unreliable and I'd hate to see our team go into the post season for the 4th consecutive year with a severely injured / hobbled Bynum.

Obviously you don't trade your starting center for a small forward leaving you 5 SFs and 1 Center on your Roster without a gameplan to acquire a replacement.

[LnGrrrR]

Well, this year Odom has played well and consistant. Could be argued that he is this years Lakers MVP.

Do you trust him enough to ship Bynum out?

[Michael Jordan.]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

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[Clipper Nation]

:cry "But, but, vetoing a trade is so unfair and has never been done before! Fuck you Stern!" :cry

:lol Lakerfan

[King Nupe]

Whats the point of bumping this? When the trade was on the table, LA was the 2 time defending champs. They were also on an 18-1 streak heading into the playoffs with bynum as the defensive anchor. Why would they have traded him?

[Michael Jordan.]

Whats the point of bumping this? When the trade was on the table, LA was the 2 time defending champs. They were also on an 18-1 streak heading into the playoffs with bynum as the defensive anchor. Why would they have traded him?

CROFL. The same reason they traded him for Dwight. Injury prone.

[Rogue]

They wouldn't have got DH had they traded Bynum for Melo, and Melo wouldn't be a good fit for the Lakers imho. He and Kobe both need the ball to be efficient, and both shitty & lazy players at the defensive end.