Manu Ginobili's RRT slump

[Creation88]

currently Manu's shooting a terrible 35% from the field and only 23% from 3 on the Rodeo Road Trip. on top of that he's 0-8 in the last 2 games from 3 pt range.

some of his shots are wide open while some of them are just terrible shot selections. thoughts?

get it together Manu! :king

[Muser]

Manu is in a slump, but it's good to see he is still shooting and not being passive. Only way to get out of it tbh.

Would like him to tone down the really bad selections though.

[Capt Bringdown]

Manu is in a slump, but it's good to see he is still shooting and not being passive. Only way to get out of it tbh.

Would like him to tone down the really bad selections though.

No, taking even more bad shots is not the only way to get out of it. Being aggressive is not an end in itself - He needs to stop with the wild jumpers and take more high percentage shots.

For one-dimensional shooters like Ray Allen, shooting your way out of a slump might be the only way to reverse things. But Manu has a more diverse game and there are other ways he can still be aggressive without being such an ineffective chucker. Bottom line - he's not playing smart.

[ElNono]

I'm ok that it's February... I'll be worried if he hits this slump during April...

And I couldn't disagree more with the "he's not playing smart" take. He's actually dishing out assists at a career-high rate. When your shot is not falling, the best you can do is find the open guy and put them in a position to score.

He might not be "shooting smart", ie: his shot selection might have been somewhat iffy, but that's a far cry from trying to shoot his way out of it, or not playing smart ball.

[MannyIsGod]

When Manu is struggling its easy to pull the he's not playing "smart" card due to the fact that Manu takes a great deal of unorthodox shots that aren't normally "smart" shots. When he's off it looks like he's playing bad, but when he's on no one notices that those are the same shots.

[Pauleta14]

Who thought Manu would keep the same level and intesity the whole year (regular season) !!???

this slump is/was predictable on a 82 games journey...

[ALVAREZ6]

When Manu is struggling its easy to pull the he's not playing "smart" card due to the fact that Manu takes a great deal of unorthodox shots that aren't normally "smart" shots. When he's off it looks like he's playing bad, but when he's on no one notices that those are the same shots.

Very true. But when he's hitting them, he usually looks healthier, there's an extra bounce to his step. He just seems like he needs a break and yet continues to take some tough ass shots without the proper amount of energy behind. At least thats what it seems like to me. He needs some rest and to build back the confidence I hope he takes more closer shots, drive the lane more, if he gets his energy.

Even while shooting close or driving the lane, he does real unorthodox shit, but the paint is his game. When everything is failing, you gotta go to the bread and butter.

[ALVAREZ6]

Who thought Manu would keep the same level and intesity the whole year (regular season) !!???

this slump is/was predictable on a 82 games journey...

Agreed, yet it's not his first slump.


Since the initial parts of the season, he cooled down and has slumped a good amount in my opinion.

[Pauleta14]

Agreed, yet it's not his first slump.


Since the initial parts of the season, he cooled down and has slumped a good amount in my opinion.


One of the reasons may be the fact that he is a starter for the 1st time!

He was used to "come and execute" and now has more time, maybe (unconsciously) he thinks he has more oportunities ... to fail!

For example, most of his 3s used to be open ones or ones he took by creating the space.
Now he takes the shot even with 2 hands on his face...

Anyway, I'm not (yet) worried about him, I think that there probably aren't enough subjects to complain about this year and ST has to stay awake... :lol

My BB culture is limited (in time), so maybe some posters with strong knowledge of the history of the NBA could tell us if there has ever been a more balanced team, in term of talent AND playing time...

My only concern is the 3pts shot efficiency during the PO...
Particularly Bonner (:bang)and we don't know Neal in PO situations...

[ducks]

When Manu is struggling its easy to pull the he's not playing "smart" card due to the fact that Manu takes a great deal of unorthodox shots that aren't normally "smart" shots. When he's off it looks like he's playing bad, but when he's on no one notices that those are the same shots.

ducks does and so do the coaches

it is a bad shot even if it goes in

[ElNono]

ducks does and so do the coaches

coaches voted him an AllStar, ducks didn't.

[DMC]

I keep saying it: A great player who misses shots is a shitty player. It doesn't matter how good you move, how open you get, how good you run the pick and roll... if you miss the shot you are worthless to fans. Defense means nothing in the "slump" category.

[ducks]

coaches voted him an AllStar, ducks didn't.

coaches said spurs had to have two players on roster since great record
removed manu scored late and voted for him



the first 42 minutes of the game are more important then the last 6

even though most casually fans do not grasp that concept

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's an 82 game season. EVERY player slumps at some point.

ASB is next week, he'll find his form again after a bit of a rest.

Nothing to see here.

[ElNono]

coaches said spurs had to have two players on roster since great record
removed manu scored late and voted for him


the first 42 minutes of the game are more important then the last 6

even though most casually fans do not grasp that concept

It's gonna be great to watch Manu and Lebron on the ASG, don't you agree? :lol

[cutewizard]

yeah,

MANU JUST NEEDS some REST

[ElNono]

Any word what was that protector in his left arm? Just precautionary?

[ElNono]

yeah,

MANU JUST NEEDS some REST

tbh, the top seed in the west is still up for grabs. We have a good lead, but you don't want to take the foot off the gas yet. With 30 games or so to go, a 7 game advantage is not insurmountable.
Seeing how different players like Hill play on the road vs home, you want that HCA locked up ASAP. There's no problem resting them after that.

[oski1000]

coaches said spurs had to have two players on roster since great record
removed manu scored late and voted for him



the first 42 minutes of the game are more important then the last 6

even though most casually fans do not grasp that concept

Manu Ginobili 18.1 ppg
Tony Parker 17.3 ppg

[duncan228]

Any word what was that protector in his left arm? Just precautionary?

The only mention of it.


..."I’m a little banged up,” said Ginobili, who played with a padded black sleeve on his left bicep to protect a recurring bruise. “Aches and pains. Nothing that threatens the season, but they add up, and I needed a rest.”

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/02/12/manu-able-to-rest-as-spurs-roll/

[Doctor J]

One of the reasons may be the fact that he is a starter for the 1st time!

He was used to "come and execute" and now has more time, maybe (unconsciously) he thinks he has more oportunities ... to fail!...


Not really!

Manu was a starter all season long during the 2004-05 championship campaign. He was the 6th man during the 1st Rd playoff series against Denver that season though.

In fact, Manu started 261 games prior to this season that inlcude the monumental second half of the last season.

[ALVAREZ6]

One of the reasons may be the fact that he is a starter for the 1st time!

He was used to "come and execute" and now has more time, maybe (unconsciously) he thinks he has more oportunities ... to fail!


:lol:lol:lol:lol

[spurs10]

Manu needing a rest is not surprising to any of us I'm sure. We wouldn't be here without him. He is a fierce competitor that knows how to win. You better know it!

[ALVAREZ6]

Lol

[Obstructed_View]

One of the reasons may be the fact that he is a starter for the 1st time!

For the first time since the 261 games he started prior to this season, right?

[TD 21]

tbh, the top seed in the west is still up for grabs. We have a good lead, but you don't want to take the foot off the gas yet. With 30 games or so to go, a 7 game advantage is not insurmountable.
Seeing how different players like Hill play on the road vs home, you want that HCA locked up ASAP. There's no problem resting them after that.

Exactly.

28 games to go, the Spurs have five less losses than the Celtics and Heat and seven less losses than the Lakers. Now is not the time to let up. Obviously, in games like the one we just witnessed, it makes sense to play the big three and McDyess as little as possible, but overall, if it takes playing Ginobili more 32-34 minute games in the next 20-25 than they'd like, so be it. Just do what it takes (within' reason) to get home court locked up as soon as possible, then the big three and McDyess can take the last few games off and rest up for the playoffs.

[kuato]

Preservation mode guys !!!!!!

[will_spurs]

Manu Ginobili 18.1 ppg
Tony Parker 17.3 ppg

mpg 31:00 vs 32:42
FG% 42.9 vs 52.7
3P% 35.3 vs 35.7
FT% 86.7 vs 79.1

TP is shooting the 3s better than Manu this year... Manu has more points because early in the season the refs were giving him a ton of FTs that he's not getting any more, and because he attempts (and misses) more 3s. He's a fan favorite because he talks ill-advised shots for 3.5 quarters and allows teams to come back into the game, then does some heroics in the last couple of minutes of a game. Ducks is right, if Manu wasn't chucking so much during the first 3 quarters (and especially the 3rd quarter) of any game, the Spurs wouldn't have so many close games.

That being said, he's been snubbed for the ASG for so long that it's good to see him go anyway.

[oski1000]

mpg 31:00 vs 32:42
FG% 42.9 vs 52.7
3P% 35.3 vs 35.7
FT% 86.7 vs 79.1

TP is shooting the 3s better than Manu this year... Manu has more points because early in the season the refs were giving him a ton of FTs that he's not getting any more, and because he attempts (and misses) more 3s. He's a fan favorite because he talks ill-advised shots for 3.5 quarters and allows teams to come back into the game, then does some heroics in the last couple of minutes of a game. Ducks is right, if Manu wasn't chucking so much during the first 3 quarters (and especially the 3rd quarter) of any game, the Spurs wouldn't have so many close games.

That being said, he's been snubbed for the ASG for so long that it's good to see him go anyway.


So....trade Manu and Spurs will win the :lobt2: easily...

[rascal]

So....trade Manu and Spurs will win the :lobt2: easily...

Depends on who you get back.

[rascal]

Manu Ginobili 18.1 ppg
Tony Parker 17.3 ppg

Manu has played slightly better that is why he is the one going and not Parker. His stats are not that great. He doesn't make it if the spurs did not have the best record in the league.

[Whisky Dog]

Rofl @ Parker is shooting the 3 better. He's hardly taken any 3s so that percentage really isn't valid. If he was taking as many attempts I doubt he's still be at the same percentage as Manu. That isn't Parker's game so I don't expect him to, but you can't compare their 3 point shooting.

[TMTTRIO]

Manu has played slightly better that is why he is the one going and not Parker. His stats are not that great. He doesn't make it if the spurs did not have the best record in the league.

Well if it's all about stats then Manu should of never made it. There's a lot more guys who have even better stats then Manu.

[kaji157]

I don´t think this is a Slump by any means, he seems to really be trying to preserve his body a lot more now that we have such a big cushion on the conference and the NBA.

If you want Manu to play all out, against shitty teams with 5 games advantage on the second best NBA team you are simply an idiot.

I expect him to come to play against chicago, and leave the shitty teams to be "burned" by other players.

Ginobili is a big scenario player.

[lefty]

Manu just needs a break from making so many clutch plays. which requires a lot of energy

TP would have such a slump if he made clutch plays :stirpot:

[rascal]

Well if it's all about stats then Manu should of never made it. There's a lot more guys who have even better stats then Manu.

The all star game is stat driven. Most of the stars have the stats to back up their selection. Manu rode in by way of the spurs having the top record and Duncan by his all star resume from the past. Neither have the worthy all star numbers. The league needed to add at least 2 players from the top team.

[manufan10]

Nothing to be too concerned about. Every player goes through a rough shooting stretch. He's not really hurting the team right now with his poor shooting.