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TE
02-17-2011, 10:38 PM
Will be in the finals.


They get Noah back, and only then will they be able to compete with the Celtics and Heat. Their is no one that can stop D Rose if he plays like he did tonight. His will alone will catapult a team to win.

Axe Murderer
02-17-2011, 10:40 PM
Their is no one that can stop D Rose

Teams that play defense will

TE
02-17-2011, 10:41 PM
Teams that play defense will

No one could've stopped Rose today even if they tried. Dude knows his spots on the floor really well. And is the quickest guy on the floor anytime.

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:42 PM
Will be in the finals.


They get Noah back, and only then will they be able to compete with the Celtics and Heat. Their is no one that can stop D Rose if he plays like he did tonight. His will alone will catapult a team to win.
I wouldn't go that far. Let's not get into wild oscillations with these kind of predictions. It's middle of the season, they won a game vs the team with the best record, it is what it is. I don't see them in the Finals yet. There are a couple teams in the East that they have to go through, 3 actually, and that's going to be really tough.

hitmanyr2k
02-17-2011, 10:43 PM
Not yet. The Bulls still need a dependable SG. A guy that can score at least 15 points a game. Bogans is sticking jumpers now but it's not gonna last. He's our Matt Bonner :lol

TE
02-17-2011, 10:44 PM
I wouldn't go that far. Let's not get into wild oscillations with these kind of predictions. It's middle of the season, they won a game vs the team with the best record, it is what it is. I don't see them in the Finals yet. There are a couple teams in the East that they have to go through, 3 actually, and that's going to be really tough.

I will go that far, because the Bulls ARE that good. And that's because they need Noah to come back. Boozer alone, I hate to admit, is a for sure 15 and 10 guy. That's what the Bulls missed the last couple of years. Now they have that guy.

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:45 PM
No one could've stopped Rose today even if they tried. Dude knows his spots on the floor really well. And is the quickest guy on the floor anytime.

No one stops him ever. Not an issue. Same is true with a few players in the league. Rose wasn't the issue. It was Gibson, I-Sheet (whatever his name is), and of all people, Bogut's 3s that got us. It was also Manu's Me-for-all shooting and "I can win this for us" approach early on. He's struggling a bit but that's Manu.

It's almost never the stars that get you, but the role players. You don't factor those points in.

Fpoonsie
02-17-2011, 10:45 PM
I tend to hate any team Boozer plays for...

...just something about him.

hitmanyr2k
02-17-2011, 10:46 PM
No one stops him ever. Not an issue. Same is true with a few players in the league. Rose wasn't the issue. It was Gibson, I-Sheet (whatever his name is), and of all people, Bogut's 3s that got us. It was also Manu's Me-for-all shooting and "I can win this for us" approach early on. He's struggling a bit but that's Manu.

It's almost never the stars that get you, but the role players. You don't factor those points in.

:lol Nice try. It's pronounced Ah-sheek.

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:46 PM
I will go that far, because the Bulls ARE that good. And that's because they need Noah to come back. Boozer alone, I hate to admit, is a for sure 15 and 10 guy. That's what the Bulls missed the last couple of years. Now they have that guy.

If you felt that way you should have posted it a few days ago. Just because they beat us doesn't mean they are giants. Did you think the Hornets were giants when they stomped a mudhole in us? They looked like it that night.

TE
02-17-2011, 10:46 PM
No one stops him ever. Not an issue. Same is true with a few players in the league. Rose wasn't the issue. It was Gibson, I-Sheet (whatever his name is), and of all people, Bogut's 3s that got us. It was also Manu's Me-for-all shooting and "I can win this for us" approach early on. He's struggling a bit but that's Manu.

It's almost never the stars that get you, but the role players. You don't factor those points in.

I am factoring the role players. They aren't that bad of a bunch.

TE
02-17-2011, 10:48 PM
If you felt that way you should have posted it a few days ago. Just because they beat us doesn't mean they are giants. Did you think the Hornets were giants when they stomped a mudhole in us? They looked like it that night.

I always considered the bulls up there. I haven't watched a lot of their games this year but tonight solidified how I feel about them.

The Hornets on the other hand aren't the Bulls. They got probably an equally if not less talented point guard compared to the Bulls. But that's it. The Bulls kick their ass in the bench department.

hitmanyr2k
02-17-2011, 10:48 PM
A big thing I love about Rose no matter how spectacular he plays his expression never changes. No mugging for the cameras, no need to beat his chest or scream and jersey pop. Just a business as usual attitude. He's like the Tim Duncan of point guards.

Rummpd
02-17-2011, 10:49 PM
They are a very, very good team - tough road to the finals just like in the West for the contenders but they are surely as good with Noah as anyone out there, particularily since Boston is having injury issues.

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:49 PM
I tend to hate any team Boozer plays for...

...just something about him.

Not a Boozer fan myself. Rose is cool though, Memphis State in the house! LOL

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:52 PM
They are a very, very good team - tough road to the finals just like in the West for the contenders but they are surely as good with Noah as anyone out there, particularily since Boston is having injury issues.

I will say they have a legitimate chance, but I wouldn't put them in the Finals just yet. Every team is subject to injuries and the playoffs are months away. Boston can recover. Miami is going to rip through everyone I fear.

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:54 PM
I always considered the bulls up there. I haven't watched a lot of their games this year but tonight solidified how I feel about them.

The Hornets on the other hand aren't the Bulls. They got probably an equally if not less talented point guard compared to the Bulls. But that's it. The Bulls kick their ass in the bench department.
Bulls have a good team, but they are in a shitty division with 0 competition. If they were in the Southwest Division, they would struggle to be middle of the pack in the playoffs, if that. No hate, just fact.

Frenzy
02-17-2011, 10:55 PM
A big thing I love about Rose no matter how spectacular he plays his expression never changes. No mugging for the cameras, no need to beat his chest or scream and jersey pop. Just a business as usual attitude. He's like the Tim Duncan of point guards.

That's why I don't mind the guy. Great player.

DMC
02-17-2011, 10:56 PM
LOL proof positive:

"Statement made. Led by 42 points from Derrick Rose, the Bulls took down the NBA's best in Chicago."

We are always the best when we lose, but only have the best record when we win.

TE
02-17-2011, 10:57 PM
LOL proof positive:

"Statement made. Led by 42 points from Derrick Rose, the Bulls took down the NBA's best in Chicago."

We are always the best when we lose, but only have the best record when we win.

:lol:lol


I noticed that too.

hitmanyr2k
02-17-2011, 10:57 PM
Bulls have a good team, but they are in a shitty division with 0 competition. If they were in the Southwest Division, they would struggle to be middle of the pack in the playoffs, if that. No hate, just fact.

This Bulls team as it is...maybe would struggle. I can't really say because they've been damn good against the West this year....and that's with missing either Boozer or Noah in the lineup.

Budkin
02-17-2011, 10:58 PM
That team is damn good and only going to get better.

rayjayjohnson
02-17-2011, 11:00 PM
Why the bulls aren't trying harder to steal aaron afflalo or sign jr smith escapes me.

Man In Black
02-17-2011, 11:01 PM
I think that it'd be a good final but I also feel that when they get they're full complement of players back, that DRose, for as good as he is, will actually see the ball less. In essence, it actually works in favor of the other team when he's not in full control. Some of their youth will be inclined to take bad shots and that's when the Spurs will get them. It's great when Keith Bogans is making 3's and our crack 3-point specialists are not. It's a good W for Chicago, I'm cool with the split. It's better than splitting with say...CLEVELAND. :lmao

hitmanyr2k
02-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Why the bulls aren't trying harder to steal aaron afflalo or sign jr smith escapes me.

I've been a big fan of Aaron Affalo since he came into the league. He would be a PERFECT fit. Reliable jumper, plays damn good defense (probably the only Nugget player who gives an effort :lol ). Would be a dream come true if the Bulls could get him. Bulls were actually trying to deal for JR Smith early in the season. Thank GOD that didn't materialize :lol I know Smith has athleticism out the ass and can get streaky but he's a low IQ player with an attitude that can derail a team.

ulosturedge
02-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Rose shitted all over the Spurs tonight. I have to say i'm impressed with the way Chicago played tonight. They played with a lot of energy. I can see this team upsetting a contender or 2 in the East.

Venti Quattro
02-17-2011, 11:05 PM
If Boozer's defense will hold up in a 7-game playoff series vs Boston or Miami, then they will be in the finals. They brought him in for a big man presence, he needs to prove his mettle in a 7-game series

jjktkk
02-17-2011, 11:05 PM
Rose is easily the MVP right now, but in the playoffs, teams will stop Rose enough and make someone else beat them, so it will interesting to see who on the Bulls steps up in the playoffs. The Bulls are a scary team for sure though.

hitmanyr2k
02-17-2011, 11:10 PM
If Boozer's defense will hold up in a 7-game playoff series vs Boston or Miami, then they will be in the finals. They brought him in for a big man presence, he needs to prove his mettle in a 7-game series

That's the problem awaiting the Bulls. Hopefully Noah can come back and his toughness will rub off on Boozer a bit. Boozer is a sissy for the mostpart and I think the Celtics have too many physical players for him to handle. Noah can handle Boston's shit just fine.

Not scared of the Heat though. Their atrocious frontline is tailor-made for a finesse player like Boozer to dominate.

HarlemHeat37
02-17-2011, 11:21 PM
They will have to play Boston in the 2nd round, they'll probably lose in 7 or so..they desperately need some perimeter talent..a team like Boston will make Bogans/Brewer beat them, and mediocre players of that kind, won't come through..

Boozer will also probably have difficulties against a Garnett/Perkins frontline..

I wouldn't be surprised to see them win though, it would be a very good series, as usual..

Whichever team gets the #1 seed in the East is at a huge advantage..Orlando/Atlanta is a massive downgrade from the top 3..

Killakobe81
02-17-2011, 11:29 PM
If Noah brings what he normally does NO ONE is closing them out easy ... best hope is to clog the paint and pray Deng and Korver are cold.

I dont think they win it all and making the Finals their first year together will be just as tough for them as it will be for the Heat ...but at least most of their core (noah, Rose Deng) have been together ...Miami is almost a whole new team ...

Killakobe81
02-17-2011, 11:30 PM
And who says the Bulls dont catch the heat or the Celts? Boston is hurting and Heat are only an injury away from being paper thin ...

Ace
02-17-2011, 11:31 PM
Just because they beat the Spurs doesn't mean they'll be in the finals....

Spurs fan:lmao

j.dizzle
02-17-2011, 11:35 PM
Spurfan just trying to make themselves feel better IMO. Chicago is a good team but they shoot way too many jumpers to get to the finals. Rose has to go ape shit if they wanna even get to the ECF.

Donkeybong
02-18-2011, 12:51 AM
bulls are good. but not that good. I think Rose is MVP so far this season, but any team with size can make it hard for him in the paint. Man, I can just imagine if they picked up Lebron or Wade in the off season. They'd be scary as hell.

hater
02-18-2011, 09:33 AM
Bulls are my 2nd favorite team.

:tu

Muser
02-18-2011, 09:49 AM
No team starting Keith Bogans will reach the finals, it's just not possible.

tlongII
02-18-2011, 10:29 AM
The Bulls are good, but they won't get past Boston or Miami.

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 10:33 AM
I've been a big fan of Aaron Affalo since he came into the league. He would be a PERFECT fit. Reliable jumper, plays damn good defense (probably the only Nugget player who gives an effort :lol ). Would be a dream come true if the Bulls could get him. Bulls were actually trying to deal for JR Smith early in the season. Thank GOD that didn't materialize :lol I know Smith has athleticism out the ass and can get streaky but he's a low IQ player with an attitude that can derail a team.

The Bulls are a piece like Affalo away from being in the Finals, in my book. They play lockdown D and are going to have the best frontcourt in the NBA when Noah is back.

tlongII
02-18-2011, 10:38 AM
The Bulls are a piece like Affalo away from being in the Finals, in my book. They play lockdown D and are going to have the best frontcourt in the NBA when Noah is back.

Best frontcourt in the NBA?! Shirley you jest! :lmao

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 10:41 AM
Best frontcourt in the NBA?! Shirley you jest! :lmao

Depends on if you're counting SF or just talking big men. Noah and Boozer are beasts.

Trainwreck2100
02-18-2011, 10:43 AM
Spurfan just trying to make themselves feel better IMO. Chicago is a good team but they shoot way too many jumpers to get to the finals. Rose has to go ape shit if they wanna even get to the ECF.

Rose had to go ape shit to beat the spurs. I do however see them beating Boston, cause Tibs is the only reason Boston was good on D to begin with

nkdlunch
02-18-2011, 10:43 AM
Gasol/Odom or Dirk/Chandler are still best frontcourts in the NBA

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 10:47 AM
Gasol/Odom or Dirk/Chandler are still best frontcourts in the NBA

Odom doesn't start and he's a SF/PF hybrid, not a true big.

Dirk/Chandler is probably better than Noah/Boozer, but it's close. Noah and Boozer are about 50x better on defense and rebound a LOT better.

Phillip
02-18-2011, 11:10 AM
Will be in the finals.


They get Noah back, and only then will they be able to compete with the Celtics and Heat. Their is no one that can stop D Rose if he plays like he did tonight. His will alone will catapult a team to win.

rofl gnsf riding the bulls nuts to make himself feel better about spurs getting raped last night

Phillip
02-18-2011, 11:11 AM
Dirk/Chandler is probably better than Noah/Boozer, but it's close. Noah and Boozer are about 50x better on defense and rebound a LOT better.

50x better on defense is quite an exaggeration, especially since Boozer is every bit as bad of a defender as Dirk is.

Phillip
02-18-2011, 11:12 AM
the bulls are good, but they won't get past boston or miami.

+1

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 11:13 AM
rofl gnsf riding the bulls nuts to make himself feel better about spurs getting raped last night

:lol it's the Devin Harris-Diop effect.

The Bulls won't be in the conference finals, ultimately they won't be able to score enough points with D-Rose having to shoulder so much of a load.

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 11:13 AM
50x better on defense is quite an exaggeration, especially since Boozer is every bit as bad of a defender as Dirk is.

He's a worse defender.

Phillip
02-18-2011, 11:13 AM
The Bulls won't be in the conference finals, ultimately they won't be able to score enough points with D-Rose having to shoulder so much of a load.

pretty much hit the nail on the head. I think Boston would beat them in 6, maybe 5.

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 11:17 AM
:lmao wow this thread is full of stupidity. The Bulls beat the Spurs, and GNSF declares that D-Rose will be the first PG in over 20 years to carry his team to the finals.

tlongII
02-18-2011, 11:46 AM
Depends on if you're counting SF or just talking big men. Noah and Boozer are beasts.

The Bulls interior defense is lacking. Noah can board, but he's not a defensive stopper.

Henke
02-18-2011, 11:50 AM
Dirk/Chandler is probably better than Noah/Boozer, but it's close. Noah and Boozer are about 50x better on defense and rebound a LOT better.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Boozer is such a fucking defensive force imho.:lmao:lmao

On topic,props to the Bulls.D-Rose is the MVP thus far and coach Thibodeau is doing a great job.
I still think that they lose to the Heat or the Celtics in the playoffs but you never know,since they haven't play in full strength yet.

JamStone
02-18-2011, 11:59 AM
The Bulls are good, but they won't get past Boston or Miami.

Agreed. They're dangerous. And Derrick Rose is that good. But Boston and Miami are simply better teams. Better teams win playoff series a vast majority of the time. So it would take a pretty rare occasion for the Bulls to beat either Boston or Miami in the playoffs. If they have to face both of them, it would take miraculous play by Rose to do it. I guess he's capable. But I find it unlikely.



A big thing I love about Rose no matter how spectacular he plays his expression never changes. No mugging for the cameras, no need to beat his chest or scream and jersey pop. Just a business as usual attitude. He's like the Tim Duncan of point guards.

Tim Duncan does express himself on the court. He does react to what he feels are bad calls and he does do that hug the basketball thing. I've seen Duncan get excited over a big play. He's more expressive than you're suggesting. It's that Duncan is completely unselfish and off the court pretty much an egoless, ho hum, average guy that people think he's emotionless on the court. That's not true. Duncan does get expressive on the court. If anything Derrick Rose is kind of opposite from Duncan. Rose doesn't change expressions on the court, but we're seeing with the rumored stories about him not wanting LeBron or Wade to take his shine, he actually does have an ego behind his stoic image.

Leetonidas
02-18-2011, 12:05 PM
No team starting Keith Bogans will ever make the finals. Only if the starting lineup around him was (in their primes) Hakeem Olajuwon, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird, and Jason Kidd. Then, maybe, MAYBE, Keith Bogans could get to the Finals.

They need a decent shooting guard. Too bad Gordon doesn't play there anymore. If Hamilton gets bought out, which he won't, but he would be a good fit. Ray Allen would be perfect but that's not happening.

Greg Oden
02-18-2011, 12:21 PM
:lmao CryHavoc continues his reign as the most butthurt poster on ST

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 12:21 PM
The Bulls need a SF or SG who can create his own shot off the dribble. The way they're currently built teams will key in on Rose at the end of games and their offense will fall apart.

cheguevara
02-18-2011, 12:22 PM
^ agree

Bulls would be unbeatable with Beaubois and would eclipse Jordan + Pippen's 6 ships

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 12:23 PM
The Bulls need a SF or SG who can create his own shot off the dribble. The way they're currently built teams will key in on Rose at the end of games and their offense will fall apart.

Exactly.

They're a scorer away from being a serious contender. Bogans will never win a title as a starter.... it's scary to even think that the Bulls are contenders with him logging so many minutes.

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 12:23 PM
It's funny because I'm not a Mavs fan and have previously scoffed Mavfan for their Beaubois fetish

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 12:26 PM
Tim Duncan does express himself on the court. He does react to what he feels are bad calls and he does do that hug the basketball thing. I've seen Duncan get excited over a big play. He's more expressive than you're suggesting. It's that Duncan is completely unselfish and off the court pretty much an egoless, ho hum, average guy that people think he's emotionless on the court. That's not true. Duncan does get expressive on the court. If anything Derrick Rose is kind of opposite from Duncan. Rose doesn't change expressions on the court, but we're seeing with the rumored stories about him not wanting LeBron or Wade to take his shine, he actually does have an ego behind his stoic image.

For some reason Hitmanyr2k is thought of as an extremely knowledgeable poster when he's not and is in fact one of the bigger dipshits on this site. Thanks for pointing that out.

Axe Murderer
02-18-2011, 12:27 PM
Noah and Boozer are about 50x better on defense and rebound a LOT better.

Dear god i didn't think this thread could get any worse after the OP's "the Bulls beat the Spurs, they are going to the Finals" bit

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 12:28 PM
Dear god i didn't think this thread could get any worse after the OP's "the Bulls beat the Spurs, they are going to the Finals" bit

Meh. Perhaps I should have said, "The Bulls defensive system is better". Boozer is obviously not a great defender, but Noah is, and despite the Bulls playing an extremely slow pace, Noah and Boozer outrebound Dirk and Chandler by a pretty healthy margin.

Greg Oden
02-18-2011, 12:29 PM
yeah somehow a frontcourt that consists of a top 5 mvp candidate and a guy who's arguably been the 2nd best defensive C behind Howard this year is just probably better than Boozer/Noah.

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Agreed. They're dangerous. And Derrick Rose is that good. But Boston and Miami are simply better teams. Better teams win playoff series a vast majority of the time. So it would take a pretty rare occasion for the Bulls to beat either Boston or Miami in the playoffs. If they have to face both of them, it would take miraculous play by Rose to do it. I guess he's capable. But I find it unlikely.

In your book, are the Bulls a decent starting 2 guard away from being on par with the Celts/Heat?

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Meh. Perhaps I should have said, "The Bulls defensive system is better". Boozer is obviously not a great defender, but Noah is, and despite the Bulls playing an extremely slow pace, Noah and Boozer outrebound Dirk and Chandler by a pretty healthy margin.

Dallas Mavericks pace rating: 90.5
Chicago Bulls pace rating: 91.3

gr8 argument bro

Axe Murderer
02-18-2011, 12:32 PM
Meh. Perhaps I should have said, "The Bulls defensive system is better". Boozer is obviously not a great defender, but Noah is, and despite the Bulls playing an extremely slow pace, Noah and Boozer outrebound Dirk and Chandler by a pretty healthy margin.

i can agree with that.

I think on defense the margin is pretty similar between Noah and Chandler (both great) and Dirk and Boozer (both meh).

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 12:34 PM
Dallas Mavericks pace rating: 90.5
Chicago Bulls pace rating: 91.3

gr8 argument bro

Wow, Dallas slowed down their offense a lot recently. I thought they were averaging 100+ a game. They still score more than the Bulls, though negligible, and Noah/Boozer are still better rebounders than Chandler/Dirk.

But yeah, I'd have to take the Mavs frontcourt, although it just seems weird to think of Dirk as part of a frontcourt because he's not a post-player by any stretch of the imagination.

Greg Oden
02-18-2011, 12:37 PM
Since when has Boozer been considered much of a post player?

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 12:38 PM
Wow, Dallas slowed down their offense a lot recently. I thought they were averaging 100+ a game. They still score more than the Bulls, though negligible, and Noah/Boozer are still better rebounders than Chandler/Dirk.

But yeah, I'd have to take the Mavs frontcourt, although it just seems weird to think of Dirk as part of a frontcourt because he's not a post-player by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you consider Amare Stoudemire/Chris Bosh/Kevin Garnett part of a front court? I see their games no less jump shooting/high post oriented than Dirk's is.

Phillip
02-18-2011, 12:44 PM
And while he's not Gasol in the low post or anything like that, Dirk has actually developed a decent low-post game, as now when having smaller guys on him, he pretty easily backs them into the post, either drawing a double and kicking it to the open man, or he scores easily. in the past, this was not something he was known to do at all.

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 12:48 PM
Eh, regardless of how good his low post game is he never uses it so I'm hesitant to give him credit there. The modern day NBA however has less low post game/hook shots/up and under moves/etc. in general and more guys using the backdown in the high post to create space on jumpers with shots while their body is falling away from the basket. Point being, Dirk's back-to-the-basket game being mostly turn-around fadeaways is something that's very common in the NBA nowadays, especially with current day power forwards. Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire (two guys considered by most to be premier PFs) both take a lot more fadeaway jumpers in the high post than they do hook shots in the low post.

spurs_fan_in_exile
02-18-2011, 12:56 PM
Wouldn't be shocked if the Bulls were to beat Miami in a tight series. They'll need some guys to step up offensively for that to happen, but with everyone healthy I think they can be more physical and defend better and that can be the difference in a seven game series.

I think they lose in six to a healthy Boston team though. The Celtics' bigs are tough enough to push Boozer out of the paint and negate him. Rose is still good enough that he could carry that team to a win or two all on his own, but not four.

Cry Havoc
02-18-2011, 01:13 PM
Do you consider Amare Stoudemire/Chris Bosh/Kevin Garnett part of a front court? I see their games no less jump shooting/high post oriented than Dirk's is.

Amare: Yes. Because he has a crazy array of post-moves, and is usually closer to the hoop on any given play than Dirk is. Considering he's much shorter than Dirk yet still rebounds on par with him (much better this year, actually), Amare fits my definition of a post-player, though he's more a hybrid because of how fast and athletic he is. He's made a living posterizing interior bigs, much unlike Dirk has. And I don't think you could ever classify Amare as a wing player, although you could certainly make the argument for Dirk.

Bosh: Yes. He's not a great defender but he is usually playing closer to the hoop on defense. He's got a good mid-range J, but so have a lot of great centers/PFs of the past, so I don't think having a little range discredits you.

Garnett: That's a bit different. I could see him as a post/wing hybrid like Dirk. I STILL don't think of KG as a big under the hoop, because I spent so many years watching him at the SF slot, so maybe that's my own fault. It just seems to be like Dirk, KG is more comfortable playing about 10-20 feet out on either side of the ball, where as Amare and Bosh are more comfortable from 0-12 or 0-15 feet most of the time.


Wouldn't be shocked if the Bulls were to beat Miami in a tight series. They'll need some guys to step up offensively for that to happen, but with everyone healthy I think they can be more physical and defend better and that can be the difference in a seven game series.

I think they lose in six to a healthy Boston team though. The Celtics' bigs are tough enough to push Boozer out of the paint and negate him. Rose is still good enough that he could carry that team to a win or two all on his own, but not four.

I think Miami - Chicago would go 7, Miami - Boston would go 7, and Boston - Chicago would go at least 6 at this point. 3 very good teams at the top of the East right now, all well ahead of Orlando at this point, who could still make a surge after the ASB.

Kyle Orton
02-18-2011, 01:34 PM
Amare: Yes. Because he has a crazy array of post-moves, and is usually closer to the hoop on any given play than Dirk is. Considering he's much shorter than Dirk yet still rebounds on par with him (much better this year, actually), Amare fits my definition of a post-player, though he's more a hybrid because of how fast and athletic he is. He's made a living posterizing interior bigs, much unlike Dirk has. And I don't think you could ever classify Amare as a wing player, although you could certainly make the argument for Dirk. Amare has an array of post moves? Have you ever watched Amare Stoudemire play basketball :lmao? Most of his points come of pick and rolls and a face up iso against a slower defender. Virtually none of his points come off back to the basket moves. 65% of his shots are jumpers, while that's not as high as Dirk, I don't consider someone a "post player" when out of every 5 shots he takes, more than 3 of them are jumpers.


Bosh: Yes. He's not a great defender but he is usually playing closer to the hoop on defense. He's got a good mid-range J, but so have a lot of great centers/PFs of the past, so I don't think having a little range discredits you. Closer to the hoop on D? Wtf does that mean? I don't see Dirk guarding guys far away from the basket and same with Bosh. I see them both as their team's primary pick and roll/help defender. Meanwhile, over 75% of Bosh's shots are jumpers. Unlike Dirk, they're not jumpers he creates for himself with his back to the basket, they're face-up jumpers. He's even less of a post player on offense.


Garnett: That's a bit different. I could see him as a post/wing hybrid like Dirk. I STILL don't think of KG as a big under the hoop, because I spent so many years watching him at the SF slot, so maybe that's my own fault. It just seems to be like Dirk, KG is more comfortable playing about 10-20 feet out on either side of the ball, where as Amare and Bosh are more comfortable from 0-12 or 0-15 feet most of the time.
So by your definition, KG shouldn't be considered part of a front court because he doesn't like playing in the low post?

jjktkk
02-18-2011, 02:54 PM
Noah/Boozer> Nowitzki/Chandler in rebounding only tbh.

LnGrrrR
02-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Depends on if you're counting SF or just talking big men. Noah and Boozer are beasts.

Fail follow through post. Tlong set you up for the line and everything.

Killakobe81
02-18-2011, 03:45 PM
I like the Bulls but if they can get by Boaton and or Miami I would be afraid if I was a Western contender ... but I doubt that happens ...this year. Healthy Celts are the faves still

DMC
02-18-2011, 08:03 PM
Why the bulls aren't trying harder to steal aaron afflalo or sign jr smith escapes me.

AA sure, JR, fuck no.

DMC
02-18-2011, 08:04 PM
Rose shitted all over the Spurs tonight. I have to say i'm impressed with the way Chicago played tonight. They played with a lot of energy. I can see this team upsetting a contender or 2 in the East.
It was a close game all throughout. So he scored 42. That's shitting all over another team?

Do any of you actually follow the game?

HarlemHeat37
02-18-2011, 08:22 PM
Chandler is easily a better defender than Noah IMO..Noah has become pretty overrated IMO..he still gets bodied by bigger post players, he can still get pushed around..the Bulls have been just as good with Noah off the floor, as they have when he's on, his impact hasn't been noticeable(he's obviously going to make them better, but his impact hasn't been significant, when he has played this season)..

The Mavs' D is terrible when Chandler leaves the floor, their team as a whole is noticeably worse when Chandler is off..only Dirk has had a bigger impact on the Mavs, which is obvious, but it's also quantifiable..

lefty
04-11-2011, 02:29 PM
Bump.

hitmanyr2k
04-11-2011, 02:56 PM
Not yet. The Bulls still need a dependable SG. A guy that can score at least 15 points a game. Bogans is sticking jumpers now but it's not gonna last. He's our Matt Bonner :lol

Wow, I said this about 2 months ago and Keith Bogans is still sticking the three point shot when teams double off him. I really thought he would have gone back to sucking by now. He's still a sub-standard 2 guard but at least he hasn't been a waste of a possession when he shoots.

Sybok
03-02-2014, 03:53 PM
That's the problem awaiting the Bulls. Hopefully Noah can come back and his toughness will rub off on Boozer a bit. Boozer is a sissy for the mostpart and I think the Celtics have too many physical players for him to handle. Noah can handle Boston's shit just fine.

Not scared of the Heat though. Their atrocious frontline is tailor-made for a finesse player like Boozer to dominate.
lol

TE
03-02-2014, 04:14 PM
Lmao like a lot of people I fell into the trap of believing Rose would lead a team to the finals...what a difference three years makes

irishock
03-02-2014, 04:19 PM
This was the year the NBA was toying with the idea of LA vs Chicago in the Finals, with Kobe getting his 6th against MJ's old team.. it was pretty obvious it was going to be Miami/Dallas II once the Mavs won the first 2 games in LA

lefty
03-03-2014, 12:40 AM
. Their is no one that can stop D Rose if he plays like he did tonight. His will alone will catapult a team to win.
Rose played tonight ?












(and yes Im aware he posted that in 2011)

MeloHype
03-03-2014, 12:59 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-puuvhg6GXZs/UxN8vTG4_eI/AAAAAAAADWc/ceGS0ogm6z8/s1600/rose3.gif

spurraider21
03-03-2014, 01:04 AM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2517195/roseclaps.gif

JohnnyMax
03-03-2014, 08:14 AM
Did you know Russell Westbrook has better playoff stats and resume than Derrick Rose?