Unions vs. Republicans...

[Winehole23]

similarly for an outraged public mocked by its justice system.

[Winehole23]

the law as curse, echoing St. Paul.

[Winehole23]

Interesting poll.

Watch out for the millenials, the ground may already have shifted beneath us.

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[rmt]

Why is the word "multi-racial" in that poll?

[Winehole23]

Couldn't tell you offhand.

There's a link to the poll in the tweet.

[boutons_deux]

Why is the word "multi-racial" in that poll?

to distinguish from Trash/Repug racist campaign dog-whistle of "white working class" (since racist Repugs don't GAF about non-white working class)

[CosmicCowboy]

Not particularly surprising that interchangeable, replaceable, service workers would want aggressive collective bargaining. It counter logical however considering that consumers tend to prefer value and will tend to support the organizations that give it to them. Killing the goose that lays the eggs by radicalizing collective bargaining is a good example.

[Winehole23]

Business owners get organized to promote their interests, but American workers doing the same would kill the golden goose -- despite the fact that they've done so in nearly every other rich country in the world without ruining their economies.

Perhaps you're talking out of your ass again, CC.

[Winehole23]

And just maybe you've got it exactly backwards: companies refusing to share profits with their employees might be what's throttling the golden goose:

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[Winehole23]

Rock ribbed conservatives like CC and addled libertarians like Nathan 89 naturally and of course are among the most strenuous apologists for the emerging neo-feudal order on this board.

[Winehole23]

Lest we forget, corporate profits are historically high at the moment.

[Winehole23]

Admittedly, the rate of profit picture is more complicated, but this may recur to the aforementioned throttling effect of corporate greed.

[Winehole23]

It certainly can't be put down to the power of organized labor and redistributionist policy in the US.

[Winehole23]

Henry Ford, fascist though he was, understood it was better if his employees could afford to buy his cars.

21st century capitalists honestly don't give a fuck about that.

[FrostKing]

Such a tough comparison with Ford. Did he even have foreign consumers? Definitely not an online catalog or software ran machine assembly line. Where and how the markets are changing are so obvious. If I can't be the corporate heads cashing in on the automation Ill at least be the one profiting off the new work labor in the form of creating, implementing, trouble shooting and security guarding the new machine labor.

The game isn't fair but the rules and ways to strategize are rather simple. Should the less intelligent be better protected? How many Americans are just too lazy (land of Entertainment) to put in the time to work up the ladder and I mean in a night class to pick up a new certification.

My experience working in the dead end jobs was - the protection of the Union tended to make people lazier. And I mean that's ultimately the average American right? - dead end job. In a more skilled industry the protection of a Union will tend to ease stress and improve productivity

[boutons_deux]

Lest we forget, corporate profits are historically high at the moment.

... while household Real Incomes have been nearly flat for 40 years.

[Winehole23]

https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/ceo-compensation-ratio-2016.png (http://fortune.com/2017/07/20/ceo-pay-ratio-2016/)

CEOs don't provide 100x more value than they did in 1980.

What's the economic rationalization for their rate of compensation, absent added productivity, which by any reasonable account comes from all the lower pay grades?