Youtuber jailed, faces 20 years for editing video

[MiamiHeat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gweZ5GBmBjk


All hail our judicial system.

[Fpoonsie]

You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

What "harmful effect" are these parents talking about?! The kids didn't even hear the song in the video.

Unbelievable.

[Muser]

He used video of minors without permission from the parents, that's gonna get you in trouble tbh.

[Cry Havoc]

Absolutely absurd. So you can be jailed for doing something that's not even illegal? Unless it's illegal to sing sexually explicit songs to empty public rooms, now?

[Fpoonsie]

He used video of minors without permission from the parents, that's gonna get you in trouble tbh.

Merits a slap on the wrist, at most.

[Cry Havoc]

He used video of minors without permission from the parents, that's gonna get you in trouble tbh.

Ah, so filming people on a beach (some minors) and uploading it to Youtube is now a felony unless you ask everyone for permission. Awesome.

[Muser]

I dunno what the law is in the USA, but over here it's strict as fuck when it comes to photo's/videos of kids. I'm not saying I agree with it though.

[Fpoonsie]

I dunno what the law is in the USA, but over here it's strict as fuck when it comes to photo's/videos of kids. I'm not saying I agree with it though.

Oh, ok.

Parents are ridiculously overprotective when it comes to the possible "exploitation" of their own, but still. This is fucking stupid.

[Brutalis]

Wow. No way he gets 20 not with the public outcry and attention.

[redzero]

Hopefully, this man will stay far away from children--where his editing skills can't reach them.

[Cry Havoc]

eCODTbfLKSE

So I guess everyone associated with Clerks deserves to spend 20 years in the clink now.

[redzero]

eCODTbfLKSE

So I guess everyone associated with Clerks deserves to spend 20 years in the clink now.

Maybe a twenty year stint would spark Kevin Smith's creativity.

[Wild Cobra]

You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

What "harmful effect" are these parents talking about?! The kids didn't even hear the song in the video.

Unbelievable.
Unbelievable you don't understand.

[MiamiHeat]

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[Wild Cobra]

Absolutely absurd. So you can be jailed for doing something that's not even illegal? Unless it's illegal to sing sexually explicit songs to empty public rooms, now?
Did you miss the nuances?

He made a form of sexually explicit material that included children and without parental consent.

[ChumpDumper]

I can believe Wild Cobra would love this prosecution.

[midnightpulp]

Did you miss the nuances?

He made a form of sexually explicit material that included children and without parental consent.

But it didn't include children.

[MiamiHeat]

So I guess everyone associated with Clerks deserves to spend 20 years in the clink now.

Going by the direction of this shit, you might even be prosecuted for "distribution" of it because you just posted it on an internet forum :lmao

[Slomo]

I dunno what the law is in the USA, but over here it's strict as fuck when it comes to photo's/videos of kids. I'm not saying I agree with it though.

I actually agree with the strict limitations on filming/photographing kids in Europe, but it's not what he's charged with.

[symple19]

Merits a slap on the wrist, at most.

[DesignatedT]

punish the dude fine. but felony jailtime? :lmao fuckin retarded.

[Sisk]

Hopefully, this man will stay far away from children--where his editing skills can't reach them.

:lol

[jimo2305]

wow.. this is unbelieavable.. there's just no limit to how shallow people can get..

[CubanSucks]

There's not too many things that would motivate me to go out with signs, but this would definitely be one of them. FUCK THOSE PARENTS. This shit calls for some Tyler Durden type response

[BlackSwordsMan]

Only a matter of time before this pedo whips his dick out and fucks little thomas down the road.

[The Reckoning]

i support this, not because theyre locking the guy up, but because theyre locking his terrible jokes up.

[mouse]

right or wrong there are people convicted of murder getting 8-15 years.

[xellos88330]

He used video of minors without permission from the parents, that's gonna get you in trouble tbh.

But, 20 years? That is ridiculous. Just make him take the video down, pay a fine, written apology, and community service. Maybe an internet probation period. LOL!

[TwAnKiEs]

The guys an idiot. You don't fuck with preteens and not have the parents fuck with you back.... but 20 years is crazy. funcking murders dont even get that much time.. he is a waste of prison space

[koriwhat]

i've seen a murderer(drunk driver) get 10 yrs probation and a slap on the wrist while the parents sat in the back of the court room crying over the fact that that dip shit is probably back on the streets in his ride drinking and driving.

this is ridiculous! like someone else said, it's only fitting hollywood gets away with it but the regular joe might serve 20 yrs.

[mavsfan1000]

This is fucked up. Overprotective parents piss me off.

[Capt Bringdown]

The kid made a big mistake & deserves punishment of some kind, but not a 20 year felony conviction. That's not justice.

Mass hysteria lies just below the surface when people's kids are concerned. I remember when I was doing my teacher training in the late 80s there was a mass hysteria about nationwide satanic cults supposedly preying on schoolchildren at childcare facilities. Folks were convicted and lives were ruined.
Excellent movie about one of those cases, The McMartin Trial (1995)

[Stringer_Bell]

This case and the outrage surrounding it are a total waste of resources. If they give him felony jail time, it's strictly to appease the parents because no one else is blinded enough to think he's worth putting in prison.

Now, I do think he should have to do community service (AWAY FROM CHILDREN) and be brought up on some kind of trespass or false representation charges with regard to entering the school on false pretense. He also had someone that let him do it, so they should be given the same sentence.

But sexual charges, jail, and all this outrage? Save it and focus on the real threats.

[mrsmaalox]

.............be brought up on some kind of trespass or false representation charges with regard to entering the school on false pretense. He also had someone that let him do it, so they should be given the same sentence.

Yup there was obviously someone "on the inside" that facilitated the whole thing. I know that every year at registration, I am given a form to sign that either consents to or refuses to allow my kids to be filmed for school purposes only. Apparently schools attempt to protect themselves from this sort of thing. I wonder if the school has conveniently stepped into the background and let the parents have at that poor kid, to deflect attention from themselves?

The sexual charges are a bit much and I truly feel for the kid. But this is the world we live in.....just how dense do you have to be to think that "Sex, Kids and Videotape" is ever a good idea??

And yes, when it comes to their kids, parents are irrational (precisely the reason I have always avoided pediatrics in my nursing practice). Pointing fingers at parents, all the time, for everything, is the perfect one size fits all solution. The day one of the little darlings goes missing and suffers at the hands of some sicko, we'll all be sure to ask "But where were the parents?"

[san antonio spurs]

I agree with a poster who said that maybe this was just the beginning of a pedophile act. What kind of sick bastard would find humorous to sing sex lyrics to children. He definitely needs counciling because he'll be hunting kids in a few years from now.

I agree however that those charges (for 20 yrs) are BS, but there are reasons to be worried about that young fella.

[Fpoonsie]

I agree with a poster who said that maybe this was just the beginning of a pedophile act. What kind of sick bastard would find humorous to sing sex lyrics to children. He definitely needs counciling because he'll be hunting kids in a few years from now.

This is beyond ridiculous.

[Hooks]

I agree with a poster who said that maybe this was just the beginning of a pedophile act. What kind of sick bastard would find humorous to sing sex lyrics to children. He definitely needs counciling because he'll be hunting kids in a few years from now.

I agree however that those charges (for 20 yrs) are BS, but there are reasons to be worried about that young fella.


He didn't sing sex lyrics to children, he sang a clean version to them, the room was empty so he sang it again this time dirty, then edited the video to make it look like he was singing to them.


Just look at this dude, he's gonna get his ass beat in jail, the only way he'll be able to survive is if he joins a gang. He's going to be going to the same place where murderers go, all for making a HARMLESS video.

[CubanSucks]

I agree with a poster who said that maybe this was just the beginning of a pedophile act. What kind of sick bastard would find humorous to sing sex lyrics to children. He definitely needs counciling because he'll be hunting kids in a few years from now.

I agree however that those charges (for 20 yrs) are BS, but there are reasons to be worried about that young fella.

Are you talking about this?


Only a matter of time before this pedo whips his dick out and fucks little thomas down the road.

[san antonio spurs]

He didn't sing sex lyrics to children, he sang a clean version to them, the room was empty so he sang it again this time dirty, then edited the video to make it look like he was singing to them.


Just look at this dude, he's gonna get his ass beat in jail, the only way he'll be able to survive is if he joins a gang. He's going to be going to the same place where murderers go, all for making a HARMLESS video.
I know he didn't sing sex lyrics to those kids, but why even make it look like he did? That's the sickness (it's more than a bad taste in jokes).

[DJ Mbenga]

But, 20 years? That is ridiculous. Just make him take the video down, pay a fine, written apology, and community service. Maybe an internet probation period. LOL!

could face. it usually never gets the highest or maximum penalty. but he should get something for what he did. parents got a legit beef.

[mouse]

The Eire part of all this if it was just another southpark episode everyone would be praising it.

[Frenzy]

i support this, not because theyre locking the guy up, but because theyre locking his terrible jokes up.

If that's the case most of the posters here would already be locked up.

[CubanSucks]

I know he didn't sing sex lyrics to those kids, but why even make it look like he did? That's the sickness (it's more than a bad taste in jokes).

what the fuck is it to you why he did it? If you honestly think this joke was "sick" I really suggest you never leave your little morality bubble. You might get a little scared


could face. it usually never gets the highest or maximum penalty. but he should get something for what he did. parents got a legit beef.

are you people fucking insane? I have one simple question, what harm was done?

[UnWantedTheory]

I for one will feel soooo much better knowing this kid will get 3 hots & a cot for 20. I honestly felt fear, not only for myself & my son, but many unborn children across the world.:rolleyes

[UnWantedTheory]

Fucking ridiculous.

Then again, we can sue because hot coffee burnt us while driving or because we are the retard theif who falls through a skylight onto a knife from the counter of the home we attempted to rob.
I shouldn't, but will mention the woman who ran over her husband "accidentally" 37 times & got 10 years probation. Pure American justice.

[Cry Havoc]

Yup there was obviously someone "on the inside" that facilitated the whole thing. I know that every year at registration, I am given a form to sign that either consents to or refuses to allow my kids to be filmed for school purposes only. Apparently schools attempt to protect themselves from this sort of thing. I wonder if the school has conveniently stepped into the background and let the parents have at that poor kid, to deflect attention from themselves?

The sexual charges are a bit much and I truly feel for the kid. But this is the world we live in.....just how dense do you have to be to think that "Sex, Kids and Videotape" is ever a good idea??

And yes, when it comes to their kids, parents are irrational (precisely the reason I have always avoided pediatrics in my nursing practice). Pointing fingers at parents, all the time, for everything, is the perfect one size fits all solution. The day one of the little darlings goes missing and suffers at the hands of some sicko, we'll all be sure to ask "But where were the parents?"

And yet, Clerks did it and they are revered as comic geniuses. How many times in Hollywood have we seen children used in this exact same way, not only without punishment, but with the exact opposite reaction? If it happens in a hyped movie, it's hilarious. Roman Polanski can actually have sex with underage children and get away with NO punishment, but this guy could get 20? Please.


I agree with a poster who said that maybe this was just the beginning of a pedophile act. What kind of sick bastard would find humorous to sing sex lyrics to children. He definitely needs counciling because he'll be hunting kids in a few years from now.

I agree however that those charges (for 20 yrs) are BS, but there are reasons to be worried about that young fella.

They searched his home in a police raid looking for potential child porn or anything suspicious. They found absolutely nothing.

[Stringer_Bell]

And yet, Clerks did it and they are revered as comic geniuses. How many times in Hollywood have we seen children used in this exact same way, not only without punishment, but with the exact opposite reaction? If it happens in a hyped movie, it's hilarious. Roman Polanski can actually have sex with underage children and get away with NO punishment, but this guy could get 20? Please.

The child in Clerks had permission from the parent. The parents of those kids didn't have a say in the matter as far as I can tell. The kid just walked into the school and used their kids for his production. He broke some rules, maybe not 20 years in prison, but certainly a nice community service sentence..

[mrsmaalox]

And yet, Clerks did it and they are revered as comic geniuses. How many times in Hollywood have we seen children used in this exact same way, not only without punishment, but with the exact opposite reaction? If it happens in a hyped movie, it's hilarious. Roman Polanski can actually have sex with underage children and get away with NO punishment, but this guy could get 20? Please.

They searched his home in a police raid looking for potential child porn or anything suspicious. They found absolutely nothing.

Well I know Roman Polanski has no bearing at all on this case, but since you brought him up.......as I recall Polanski was hit with about 6 sexual abuse charges. He served a few weeks of incarceration for a psychiatric exam. Upon release he was to be sentenced on all the charges, but fled the country. Sentencing on all those charges are still pending in this country and would be carried out if he were to stop hiding in countries that refuse extradition. Any clearing of charges or whatever, has been done in other countries, he is still a sexual criminal in the United States.......how is that getting away with NO punishment? There is no contradiction here.

[mrsmaalox]

The child in Clerks had permission from the parent. The parents of those kids didn't have a say in the matter as far as I can tell. The kid just walked into the school and used their kids for his production. He broke some rules, maybe not 20 years in prison, but certainly a nice community service sentence..


Absolutely. If he had done the exact same thing and used the footage for a "Barney vs Big Bird ABC Showdown" it would still be wrong. But the sexual abuse charges are absurd; unfortunately these days anything that implies kids and sex is going to produce mass hysteria. Shame he doesn't have a decent attorney.

[Kori Ellis]

You aren't even allowed to take pics at the zoo or amusement park if kids (that aren't yours) are in the photos. So, using video of kids in this way without the parent's permission is, of course, going to be a big deal.

I don't think he'll get 20 years. If there's no child porn at his house or other illegal stuff, he'll probably just get probation.

[jimo2305]

You aren't even allowed to take pics at the zoo or amusement park if kids (that aren't yours) are in the photos. So, using video of kids in this way without the parent's permission is, of course, going to be a big deal.

I don't think he'll get 20 years. If there's no child porn at his house or other illegal stuff, he'll probably just get probation.

so techincally.. lets just say.. he put a vid on youtube of him singing to the kids the legit version of the song..

he still needs to be penalized because he put the vid of those kids on there without their consent?

[mavsfan1000]

Whatever the case, his life is now ruined thanks to overprotective uptight parents.

[jack sommerset]

Saying the guy is manufacturing child porn is ridiculous. I doubt this will ever go to trial. He'll get a couple of years probations in a deal with prosecutor for something that has nothing to with child porn .

[koriwhat]

Whatever the case, his life is now ruined thanks to overprotective uptight parents.

and a judicial system that's run by a bunch of imbeciles.

[san antonio spurs]

what the fuck is it to you why he did it? If you honestly think this joke was "sick" I really suggest you never leave your little morality bubble. You might get a little scared



are you people fucking insane? I have one simple question, what harm was done?
You got his taste obviously. Just don't do the same, you know you'll get in trouble now

[jimo2305]

just one of the many instances of human beings failing to apply logic to their thinking..

[CubanSucks]

You got his taste obviously. Just don't do the same, you know you'll get in trouble now

great answer. Like I said, NO harm was done

[Darrin]

eCODTbfLKSE

So I guess everyone associated with Clerks deserves to spend 20 years in the clink now.

He doesn't say anything sexually explicit with the child in frame.

[Slydragon]

20 years is crazy.....let a couple of the dads beat the shit out of him and lets all move on.

[MiamiHeat]

He doesn't say anything sexually explicit with the child in frame.

What?

You don't understand what you are saying.

The youtuber did not say anything bad in front of the children.

That clerks clip is the exact same thing. and the child DOES appear in the frame with the sexually explicit audio dubbed over. The children never actually heard this stuff, it's all edited in after.

The only difference is that the Clerks people got parental permission to use their children on film, and the singer did not.

That's not worth a felony. The kid was trying to be funny on a youtube video. There's a generational gap here and that's what is causing the misunderstanding. The kid is not a pedo. It's a joke.

[DMC]

Oh, ok.

Parents are ridiculously overprotective when it comes to the possible "exploitation" of their own, but still. This is fucking stupid.

Unless you are a parent yourself, you probably have no idea what you are talking about.

[DMC]

What?

You don't understand what you are saying.

The youtuber did not say anything bad in front of the children.

That clerks clip is the exact same thing. and the child DOES appear in the frame with the sexually explicit audio dubbed over. The children never actually heard this stuff, it's all edited in after.

The only difference is that the Clerks people got parental permission to use their children on film, and the singer did not.

That's not worth a felony. The kid was trying to be funny on a youtube video. There's a generational gap here and that's what is causing the misunderstanding. The kid is not a pedo. It's a joke.
This should help clear things up for the retarded among us. This generational gap is a figment. It's really apathy. Sometimes someone has to be publicly executed to get a point across.

[DMC]

20 years is crazy.....let a couple of the dads beat the shit out of him and lets all move on.
There will be a plea bargain and the dude will serve a few months if that and some community service.

[mavsfan1000]

Unless you are a parent yourself, you probably have no idea what you are talking about.
And parents don't know what this generation of kids are about. It goes both ways. Thus why we are having these issues.

[DMC]

It's not child porn. Had he just pulled a video from the internet and edited it, that probably wouldn't have cost him much. He was actually in that school with those kids, and did that anyhow.

If you were the parent, and some dude sang to your kid's class then did that shit, you guys wouldn't be so liberal about it.

[DMC]

And parents don't know what this generation of kids are about. It goes both ways. Thus why we are having these issues.

Kids are always about what they are taught to be about. There's no kid's rights. The law is what it is. Have a sit in and protest it.

When you become an adult, you are held to different standards. It's a hard lesson for many.

[TE]

Wow. 20 years for this is pathetic. I do hold the guy at fault for this type of pranking, but 20 fucking years? Please.


People who do way worse things hardly ever get what they deserve. Murderers get 15-20 years and that's with eligibility of parole before the actual sentence is served. This type of "justice" is injustice.

[mavsfan1000]

Kids are always about what they are taught to be about. There's no kid's rights. The law is what it is. Have a sit in and protest it.

When you become an adult, you are held to different standards. It's a hard lesson for many.
What's your point? This is how the system works? If it is the norm, than this system is fucked up. I guess it is treason to offend someone. :rolleyes

[DMC]

What's your point? This is how the system works? If it is the norm, than this system is fucked up. I guess it is treason to offend someone. :rolleyes
That's a young person's outlook. It is how the system works, and if you don't like it, stay in school, become a lawmaker and change it.

If it's on the books it didn't just get there. Learn the law before you go off doing whatever makes you feel good. Just a tip.

[CubanSucks]

This should help clear things up for the retarded among us. This generational gap is a figment. It's really apathy. Sometimes someone has to be publicly executed to get a point across.

Nice 19th century mentality. Why don't we just go ahead and hang him in the town square Gangs Of New York style?


the most ironic thing about this whole situation is that there's a 99.99% chance none of these kids would have EVER known about this video..until now

[DMC]

Nice 19th century mentality. Why don't we just go ahead and hang him in the town square Gangs Of New York style?

Hyperbole obviously (to most).

Still, the point is valid. The liberalism you experienced as a kid goes away for the most part as an adult. You are no longer immune from the laws that mom and dad had to follow while you were growing up.


the most ironic thing about this whole situation is that there's a 99.99% chance none of these kids would have EVER known about this video..until nowSo?

Should it be ok for some dude to peep into your kid's windows at night and jerk off? They won't know about it.

Not trying to play the age card, but in the kid's world, fairness is an individual concept. This is fair, that's not fair, blah blah blah... As an adult, you learn that there is indeed a system of laws and what seemed fair as a kid was really just what made you happy. To live in a society, everyone's well being has to be considered, and laws are supposed to do that. Some are bogus, but that's what the election process is all about. Write your congressman and bitch about it. Bitching online isn't going to do anything but, once again, make you feel better.

[Fpoonsie]

Should it be ok for some dude to peep into your kid's windows at night and jerk off? They won't know about it.

Speaking of hyperbole.

There was nothing "devious" about this prank. It was just a joke made in poor taste. I understand that someone may need to be made an example out of when it comes to children's safety (or whatever the fuck), but this guy doesn't deserve to be THAT scapegoat.

[Bito Corleone]

I agree with a poster who said that maybe this was just the beginning of a pedophile act. What kind of sick bastard would find humorous to sing sex lyrics to children. He definitely needs counciling because he'll be hunting kids in a few years from now.

I agree however that those charges (for 20 yrs) are BS, but there are reasons to be worried about that young fella.
The beginning of a pedophile act? Are you fucking kidding me?! He didn't actually sing it to the children. It was edited to make it look this way to create shock value...which worked. The kids weren't hurt. The kids have probably seen worse shit on tv, and now their ridiculous parents want to ruin his life because of a prank for youtube?

Actually, to be perfectly fucking honest, if kids were to come here to SpursTalk they would probably be exposed to much more harmful material than this. Should all the trolls here be brought up of criminal charges as well?

[TE]

Hyperbole obviously (to most).

Still, the point is valid. The liberalism you experienced as a kid goes away for the most part as an adult. You are no longer immune from the laws that mom and dad had to follow while you were growing up.
So?

Should it be ok for some dude to peep into your kid's windows at night and jerk off? They won't know about it.

Not trying to play the age card, but in the kid's world, fairness is an individual concept. This is fair, that's not fair, blah blah blah... As an adult, you learn that there is indeed a system of laws and what seemed fair as a kid was really just what made you happy. To live in a society, everyone's well being has to be considered, and laws are supposed to do that. Some are bogus, but that's what the election process is all about. Write your congressman and bitch about it. Bitching online isn't going to do anything but, once again, make you feel better.

:blah:blah:blah

Point is, the guy deserves some sort of justice, but not what he's been given.


Shit, 20 years of his life is now going to be spent in a prison. You got to be kidding me.

[DMC]

Speaking of hyperbole.

There was nothing "devious" about this prank. It was just a joke made in poor taste. I understand that someone may need to be made an example out of when it comes to children's safety (or whatever the fuck), but this guy doesn't deserve to be THAT scapegoat.
I don't think he's been convicted of anything, nor sentenced. There are lots of smaller crimes that have huge maximum sentences. Most people get little to no time however.

[DMC]

The beginning of a pedophile act? Are you fucking kidding me?! He didn't actually sing it to the children. It was edited to make it look this way to create shock value...which worked. The kids weren't hurt. The kids have probably seen worse shit on tv, and now their ridiculous parents want to ruin his life because of a prank for youtube?

Actually, to be perfectly fucking honest, if kids were to come here to SpursTalk they would probably be exposed to much more harmful material than this. Should all the trolls here be brought up of criminal charges as well?

First, the law doesn't work on a preventive basis. It only works on a punishment basis. Otherwise lots of TRO deaths would never have happened, lots of abused kids would not be abused, all that.

For some reason this dogma exists that there is absolute in-culpability for things posted online, as if the internet is a role playing game. Little by little they are discovering that it's real life and you can be arrested for your actions here too.

The guy broke the law. He probably wasn't aware of it, but that's never been a good excuse (never accepted as one). Had he known he was breaking laws, he probably would not have posted it.

He's a moron, plain and simple, and he didn't care that millions of people would see that classroom full of kids and what he was appearing to say in their presence.

Makes you wonder how people like that ever expect to get a decent job.

Also, it has nothing to do with parents wanting to wreck his life. In these cases the state undoubtedly files charges. It might even be federal in this case. If so he's screwed. The parents couldn't just have him arrested over outrage. They could sue in a civil court, but he's facing criminal charges. Crimes against kids are pretty hard to defend. There are a few child sex offenders living in my neighborhood, a couple were 18 and dating a 15 year old. They got married later, but still have that charge.

[CubanSucks]

Hyperbole obviously (to most).

Still, the point is valid. The liberalism you experienced as a kid goes away for the most part as an adult. You are no longer immune from the laws that mom and dad had to follow while you were growing up.

I wasn't taking your hyperbole literally, but just the whole "make an example out of em" mentality is beyond fucked up


So?

Should it be ok for some dude to peep into your kid's windows at night and jerk off? They won't know about it.

Not trying to play the age card, but in the kid's world, fairness is an individual concept. This is fair, that's not fair, blah blah blah... As an adult, you learn that there is indeed a system of laws and what seemed fair as a kid was really just what made you happy. To live in a society, everyone's well being has to be considered, and laws are supposed to do that.

Well gosh darn I'm sure gonna sleep well tonight knowing this rapist.. no....pedophi..no....peeping t..no....college aged kid who edits harmless stupid videos is standing accused for offending people.


Write your congressman and bitch about it. Bitching online isn't going to do anything but, once again, make you feel better.

Why would I do that? I think child porn is fucked up. Which is why this whole mess is fucked up for what it's not

[DMC]

I wasn't taking your hyperbole literally, but just the whole "make an example out of em" mentality is beyond fucked up

If you consider that they could be very literal with the law and arrest everyone, or just publicize one person being arrested for it and see how it works, it's actually more liberal than the alternative.


Well gosh darn I'm sure gonna sleep well tonight knowing this rapist.. no....pedophi..no....peeping t..no....college aged kid who edits harmless stupid videos is standing accused for offending people.


Don't be lulled into a stupor by the age of the guy. Sure he's just a retard trying to be creative, but what if your wedding videographer took footage of you and your wife and edited in all kinds of nasty things, then posted it, without your approval, on youtube. Now factor in your kids. If you have neither you might not understand.



Why would I do that? I think child porn is fucked up. Which is why this whole mess is fucked up for what it's not
He's not being tried for what it's not.

[mavsfan1000]

If you consider that they could be very literal with the law and arrest everyone, or just publicize one person being arrested for it and see how it works, it's actually more liberal than the alternative.

Don't be lulled into a stupor by the age of the guy. Sure he's just a retard trying to be creative, but what if your wedding videographer took footage of you and your wife and edited in all kinds of nasty things, then posted it, without your approval, on youtube. Now factor in your kids. If you have neither you might not understand.

He's not being tried for what it's not.
However you spin it, the law is fucked up on this decision. A harmless prank that ends up offending some parents. All the guy did was cuss. The kids didn't even see him cuss. It's fucking ridiculous and you should know that if you have a brain. This isn't the Soviet Union. Freedom of Speech should be allowed.

[DMC]

However you spin it, the law is fucked up on this decision. A harmless prank that ends up offending some parents. All the guy did was cuss. The kids didn't even see him cuss. It's fucking ridiculous and you should know that if you have a brain. This isn't the Soviet Union. Freedom of Speech should be allowed.
You are dismissing my input by calling it spin. It's anything but.

You either don't understand English, or you don't understand the law, or you are just a bonehead.

The guy broke laws. The authority having jurisdiction in this case isn't the parents. It's like saying an assault victim was the one who caused the offender to be prosecuted. The guy broke the law, plain and simple. The parents don't have strings to the court that allow them to make these things happen.

Stop shouting out the Bill of Rights when you obviously have no idea what they mean. Freedom of speech isn't a shield against responsibility for your actions. You cannot stand up in a crowded theater and yell "fire!" for example. Slander is another example where your "freedom" invades mine. Freedoms do not enable you to violate other people's freedoms. Even the 2nd Amendment has limitations. I cannot carry a handgun legally into a public school. That doesn't violate my 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

If anyone knows how to interpret the BoR, it would be the courts. If this court gets it wrong, the next one will have a go and maybe up to the USSC if they want to hear it.

Way to ignore my questions however.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I can believe Wild Cobra would love this prosecution.

I rather expected the dumb fuck to be in favor of it. I've yet to see him on the sensible side of any argument...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Anyone that believes that kid deserves any jail time should really think about attending a physician to remove the rather large tree trunk up their uptight ass. Jesus...

I'm all for protecting the children, but paranoid fucks who get carried away and demand this sort of shit are a hundred times more dangerous than a dumb kid with an awful sense of humor and poor judgment.

[DMC]

Anyone that believes that kid deserves any jail time should really think about attending a physician to remove the rather large tree trunk up their uptight ass. Jesus...

I'm all for protecting the children, but paranoid fucks who get carried away and demand this sort of shit are a hundred times more dangerous than a dumb kid with an awful sense of humor and poor judgment.

Talk to the judge, the prosecuting attorney, the DA's office, maybe a few more.

It's not about deserving. It's about the law. If he doesn't deserve it, he won't get it. You guys are defending someone who did something you find funny, something you might do yourself if you had the ability, so you are in essence defending your own.

20 years? No. No one even gets that for child molestation. He will get a pretty good fine and not be allowed into a public school or even near it for quite some time, and may be registered as a child sex offender.

The catch might be that there were several kids, so it could be compounded.

[Bito Corleone]

Talk to the judge, the prosecuting attorney, the DA's office, maybe a few more.

It's not about deserving. It's about the law. If he doesn't deserve it, he won't get it. You guys are defending someone who did something you find funny, something you might do yourself if you had the ability, so you are in essence defending your own.

20 years? No. No one even gets that for child molestation. He will get a pretty good fine and not be allowed into a public school or even near it for quite some time, and may be registered as a child sex offender.

The catch might be that there were several kids, so it could be compounded.

I don't find it funny, but I still don't think the punishment fits the "crime." The guy is essentially facing 20 years (not saying he'll get it) and being forced to register as a sex offender because of some video editing.

Get off your high horse. He's not a fucking pedophile. He's a stupid kid with poor sense of humor.

[DMC]

I don't find it funny, but I still don't think the punishment fits the "crime." The guy is essentially facing 20 years (not saying he'll get it) and being forced to register as a sex offender because of some video editing.

Get off your high horse. He's not a fucking pedophile. He's a stupid kid with poor sense of humor.
What kind of a fucking hammer is needed to drive this into the thick ass skulls of some of you? There's been NO PUNISHMENT. Wait to see what they give him.

How do you know he's not a pedophile? His act maybe didn't constitute pedophilia, but that doesn't mean he isn't one.

Is this guy related to you, or maybe this case threatens all the ass grabbery you and your cohorts do for a past time?

WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN. Tell him you are butthurt over this pedo.. errr... nice young man who was just being silly.

LOL "get off your hight horse" translates to "stop being an adult here".

[Drachen]

I want to ask a question. Can he be charged with, say 20 counts of slander ( or one for each of the kids in this video however many there are). I don't know how that would shake out punishment-wise, but wouldn't this seem to be the more appropriate charge? I wouldn't want him to get a sex-crimes conviction on his record for this, but I do think he should be punished.

Edit: My understanding of legal charges is, admittedly, lacking, so maybe I am saying the wrong thing.

[RandomGuy]

You are dismissing my input by calling it spin. It's anything but.

You either don't understand English, or you don't understand the law, or you are just a bonehead.

The guy broke laws. The authority having jurisdiction in this case isn't the parents. It's like saying an assault victim was the one who caused the offender to be prosecuted. The guy broke the law, plain and simple. The parents don't have strings to the court that allow them to make these things happen.

Stop shouting out the Bill of Rights when you obviously have no idea what they mean. Freedom of speech isn't a shield against responsibility for your actions. You cannot stand up in a crowded theater and yell "fire!" for example. Slander is another example where your "freedom" invades mine. Freedoms do not enable you to violate other people's freedoms. Even the 2nd Amendment has limitations. I cannot carry a handgun legally into a public school. That doesn't violate my 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

If anyone knows how to interpret the BoR, it would be the courts. If this court gets it wrong, the next one will have a go and maybe up to the USSC if they want to hear it.

Way to ignore my questions however.

The guy broke the law according to its very vague and broad interpretation by one prosecutor.

I give this case a shits chance in a hurricaine of a conviction.

[Texas_Ranger]

now that's a :lmao

[MiamiHeat]

DMC got banned from the website.

Wonder what his views on punishments are now :lol

[BlackSwordsMan]

..and so are you it appears

[redzero]

If MiamiHeat was banned, why does he still have his colors and why can he be messaged? Sounds like bullshit to me.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

pff, what is going on here? Everyone getting banned all of a sudden

[Fpoonsie]

pff, what is going on here? Everyone getting banned all of a sudden

I don't think MH was really banned. He just changed his caption in..."honor" of recent events.

Edit: Or hell, maybe he WAS banned (prolly not for long, though). Not sure. Didn't see any posts of his that were particularly outta line. [shrug]

[RandomGuy]

pff, what is going on here? Everyone getting banned all of a sudden

Unknown. It may have something to do with the NBA forum brew-ha-ha, but that is pure speculation on my part.

[RandomGuy]

I don't think MH was really banned. He just changed his caption in..."honor" of recent events.

That was another thought. Good joke, IMO, simply due to being a bit clever, if so.

They didn't get "pinked" which is a standard punishment for douchebaggery above and beyond the call of duty.

[Stringer_Bell]

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14257259



"I feel it's fair," said Charles Willick, whose daughter was in the video Emory created. "It doesn't warrant 20 years, I understand that."
Another parent who attended Monday's court hearing said Emory is getting off with too light of a punishment.

"It was vile," said Stephen Hellman, who said his daughters have had to see a doctor because of the video. "It was sexual and he should be put on the sex offender registry."

Stephen Hellman, the 2nd parnet in the quote, is a fucking fraud artist. It's been well reported that the kid didn't perform the song in front of the children, so how could his kids need to see a dr? There's a video of that bitch made nigga on MSNBC but I can't post it cuz their shit is a pain in the ass to deal with.

Anyway, 60 days is a lot too, but whatever. I'm just pissed that parent is milking the fucking cat on this shit. Parents can be idiots.

[CubanSucks]

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14257259



Stephen Hellman, the 2nd parnet in the quote, is a fucking fraud artist. It's been well reported that the kid didn't perform the song in front of the children, so how could his kids need to see a dr? There's a video of that bitch made nigga on MSNBC but I can't post it cuz their shit is a pain in the ass to deal with.

Anyway, 60 days is a lot too, but whatever. I'm just pissed that parent is milking the fucking cat on this shit. Parents can be idiots.

A waste of jail space for 60 days tbh.


I can't really put into words how annoyed I am at these overreacting parents. Thanks SB, you got my blood boiling right before I go to bed

[mavsfan1000]

Fuck you Stephen Hellman.

[TheNextGen]

anyone know where i can see the original video?

[DMC]

nm

[TheSkeptic]

If you consider that they could be very literal with the law and arrest everyone, or just publicize one person being arrested for it and see how it works, it's actually more liberal than the alternative.

Don't be lulled into a stupor by the age of the guy. Sure he's just a retard trying to be creative, but what if your wedding videographer took footage of you and your wife and edited in all kinds of nasty things, then posted it, without your approval, on youtube. Now factor in your kids. If you have neither you might not understand.

He's not being tried for what it's not.

I understand what you're saying DMC and I'd say that this kid's actions were definitely inappropriate. And if the law is saying he deserves 20 years then it is what it is.

That being said, I think that people are too uptight when it comes to this type of stuff. This is, to me, a fine/probation/community service kind of offence. Not 20 years in prison.

These parents were overreacting I'd say and while they would've been fine to bring a civil lawsuit against this guy, I think pushing criminal charges to this extent is going overboard. Ditto for the registrar situation.

This hysteria when it comes to sexual crimes involving children doesn't benefit anyone. It's not helpful to those who are trying to keep their kids away from predatory individuals, it's not helpful on a practical level, and it's not helpful to society as a whole.

I think that if this sort of offence has someone facing the possibility of 20 years, these laws need a second look.



A waste of jail space for 60 days tbh.


I can't really put into words how annoyed I am at these overreacting parents. Thanks SB, you got my blood boiling right before I go to bed

100% agreed.

[Wild Cobra]

Why was this thread resuscitated? Do we know if he is found guilty yet?

He at least is guilty of using the kids images without permission. This was a close setting, not for public view. I'll bet almost any judge will give him the maximum jail and fine for that.

[Drachen]

Why was this thread resuscitated? Do we know if he is found guilty yet?

He at least is guilty of using the kids images without permission. This was a close setting, not for public view. I'll bet almost any judge will give him the maximum jail and fine for that.

Plea deal, and no he wasn't given maximum jail and fine. Reading Comprehension.

[Biernutz]

He won't get 20 years but maybe his next songs could be a Johnny Cash prison type album where he could film in the inmates while he sings to them about the food, gangs and not dropping your soap in the shower.

If you are going to be a big hit in Hollywood you need some jail time in your bio. Look at Lindsy.

[Wild Cobra]

Stephen Hellman, the 2nd parnet in the quote, is a fucking fraud artist. It's been well reported that the kid didn't perform the song in front of the children, so how could his kids need to see a dr? There's a video of that bitch made nigga on MSNBC but I can't post it cuz their shit is a pain in the ass to deal with.

How do you know? Isn't it possible the moment the child or friends learned on the video, that they saw in on YOUTUBE? Even if you think the kids were too young to use the computer, there are older siblings within the circle I bet.

I missed this first time around, and the link is no longer valid.

It seems to me individual parents can still sue in civil court for him putting their kid on the internet.

[TheSkeptic]

How do you know? Isn't it possible the moment the child or friends learned on the video, that they saw in on YOUTUBE? Even if you think the kids were too young to use the computer, there are older siblings within the circle I bet.

I missed this first time around, and the link is no longer valid.

It seems to me individual parents can still sue in civil court for him putting their kid on the internet.

See now this would've been a much more sensible course of action imo.