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Dr House

02-21-2011, 10:00 AM

benefactor

02-21-2011, 10:06 AM

:wakeup

If you are going to come upstairs, please try harder.

FkLA

02-21-2011, 10:09 AM

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TDMVPDPOY

02-21-2011, 10:11 AM

is there 2 dr house trolls? fail

Agloco

02-21-2011, 10:13 AM

Rummpd

02-21-2011, 10:13 AM

GOAT what a joke. HA HA HA!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html
Remains 18th in NBA effiency ratings all time (well behind Bob Petit who won the same number of NBA ASG MVPs, and leaves us scratching our heads on why he could not lead teams to even a playoff spot with his play - until he was gifted Gasol as his teammate to go along with Bynum and Odom.

Greatest exhibition and gunner player ever but GOAT = HA HA HA not even top ten!

He has been at best the best NBA player ever for three years - Shaq was far greater on his own team, Duncan was far better, and today Kobe is way behind James and other NBA stars but boy he can sure turn it up for an ASG !

However, his more typical performances are like his infamous 6 for 24 to win the most nebulous finals MVP of all time last year.

xmas1997

02-21-2011, 10:16 AM

maddnezz

02-21-2011, 10:24 AM

Hey Spurfan did you guys watch last night's All Star game? You know, the game where YOUR OWN coach benched his players so that the Black Mamba could lead the West to victory. How gut wrenching must it be that your own coach openly acknowledges Kobe as better than those stiff has been's in Ginobli and Duncan?

How embarrassing must that be for the Spurs franchise:lmao:lmao:lmao
On a side note during the starting line up introduction Kobe called Tim the greatest Power forward/Center of all time. He has also said in the past that Manu was one of the only basketball players he would actually pay money to watch. Respect is earned not given. All parties recognize greatness. The Lakers dont fear Boston. They Fear and respect the Spurs, and the Spurs likewise. CHILL OUT YOUNG ONE!

Rummpd

02-21-2011, 10:26 AM

What do you expect (?) from a guy who titles himself a doctor (but unlike myself probably never suffered through four years of medical school and years of residencies.)

Dr House

02-21-2011, 10:37 AM

On a side note during the starting line up introduction Kobe called Tim the greatest Power forward/Center of all time. He has also said in the past that Manu was one of the only basketball players he would actually pay money to watch. Respect is earned not given. All parties recognize greatness. The Lakers dont fear Boston. They Fear and respect the Spurs, and the Spurs likewise. CHILL OUT YOUNG ONE!

:rollin

Only SpurFan would think there's a rivalry between a team who's won 16 titles and another who only has 4

spurs_fan_in_exile

02-21-2011, 10:49 AM

CIA

Bone on bone

L O L

TampaDude

02-21-2011, 11:11 AM

:rollin

Only SpurFan would think there's a rivalry between a team who's won 16 titles and another who only has 4

Oh...we didn't realize you're an old man from Minneapolis. :lol

ShoogarBear

02-21-2011, 11:12 AM

Is this an attempt to get the Spurs forum shut down?

Bito Corleone

02-21-2011, 11:26 AM

I personally know I was so embarrassed by this that I will not show my face in public for at least the next 2 days. Duncan and Ginobili both wanted to be there even more than they want to win another championship, and neither wanted to sit even one single minute on the bench. I now completely hate Coach Pop for benching these guys just because the G.O.A.T. was on the same team! No excuses. Fire Pop! :bang

41times

02-21-2011, 11:28 AM

Well he is certainly in the top 10 but i think Mike might have something to say about GOAT.

And so might Wilt and Kareem

duhoh

02-21-2011, 11:29 AM

CIA

Bone on bone

L O L

:tu

this is how pop do.

in2deep

02-21-2011, 11:29 AM

it's sad at this point in his career Kobe can play like this only with HOFers spoonfeeding him.

Reminds me of the Jordan Wizard years :(

TampaDude

02-21-2011, 11:30 AM

Kobe is old and washed up. :lol

Nick Manning

02-21-2011, 11:31 AM

lol spurfan not knowing who the OP is after all these years

lol trolled

SA210

02-21-2011, 11:58 AM

Kobe did nothing last night but remind me of how selfish and how much of the ball hog he is, hence the mvp.

DMC

02-21-2011, 12:00 PM

ibtl

Figured the NBA forum wasn't locked just so the trolls could come here instead.

JamStone

02-21-2011, 12:01 PM

Lol why is rummpd so serious?

dbreiden83080

02-21-2011, 12:02 PM

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DMC

02-21-2011, 12:10 PM

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Rummpd

02-21-2011, 12:24 PM

Lol why is rummpd so serious?

G.O.A.T. is serious stuff! Seriously I am not.:lol

dbreiden83080

02-21-2011, 12:42 PM

Wade..

“Kobe was going for MVP tonight,” Dwyane Wade said. “It was that obvious. I think my three-year-old son knew it.”

Amare

“You could tell from the start he wanted to get the MVP,” said Amar’e Stoudemire. “He was not passing the ball at all. That’s Kobe.”

:lol

DMC

02-21-2011, 12:49 PM

You cannot manufacture 6 Finals MVPs. You could easily manufacture 6 ASG MVPs if you were decent and decided to never pass the ball.

ASG MVP means absolutely nothing. AI has one, that's how valuable it is.

JamStone

02-21-2011, 01:11 PM

It's a meaningless accomplishment so why are some people so upset over it?

Kobe actually did play well yesterday and people still want to bash him. But it's the all star game that doesn't matter at all, so why discredit him? People want to call him a ballhog, and he is. But at least he was efficient. Of course Kobe wanted to win the MVP. He's got one of the biggest egos in sports, he knew he could tie the record for most ASG MVPs, and it was in Los Angeles. Anyone thinking he wouldn't play for it is just naive. But again, the all star game means absolutely nothing, so what's the point in criticizing Kobe for playing for the MVP? Why should any of us care? Lol someone actually started a thread saying Kobe should be banned from the ASG. Really? Let Kobe be Kobe. It's not like you didn't or shouldn't have expected it.

TampaDude

02-21-2011, 01:21 PM

Nick Manning

02-21-2011, 01:24 PM

It's a meaningless accomplishment so why are some people so upset over it?

Million dollar question, tbh. Lots of hypocrites 'round these here parts

hater

02-21-2011, 01:32 PM

agree stupid to get so upset over Kobe winning allstar. I did get a little pissed in the 1st and 2nd quarters when Kobe started chucking shit. But most of it was going in so he deserved it.

Probably the last trophy he's gonna win this season anyway.

WeNeedLength

02-21-2011, 01:34 PM

TampaDude

02-21-2011, 01:35 PM

Probably the last trophy he's gonna win this season anyway.

:lmao

easy7

02-21-2011, 01:36 PM

I bet he would have gone off in Cleveland in that last game, if there was a trophy to be had there. :hat

lefty

02-21-2011, 02:07 PM

Tim Duncan is The G.O.A.T. (http://dimemag.com/2010/10/tim-duncan-is-the-g-o-a-t/)

By Austin Burton (http://dimemag.com/author/austin/)
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Thirteen years. Thirteen All-NBA seasons. Four championships. Three Finals MVPs. Two league MVPs. One team. One city. The numbers tell us this much about Tim Duncan: Nobody has ever done it quite like him. What don’t we know about the greatest power forward of all-time? Everything else. In Dime #59, I sought to find the rest of the story.
*** *** ***
THE G.O.A.T.
Pain becomes art. Novelists, rappers, painters, singers … the suffering of one has long birthed testimonies that resonate with millions. The ones who are really good at it, who turn pain into production into profit, go on to become living legends, and then, icons in immortality.
Is basketball an art? Or is it just a game? Are the stakes of winning and losing at the professional level too high to allow for artistry? Does one become a better basketball player through suffering, struggle and pain?
These are the kinds of questions I want to ask Tim Duncan.
And maybe he’d have great answers. Or maybe — because he’s been blessed with 6 feet and 11 inches of height, 260 pounds of lean muscle, and the footwork and body control of a dancer, or because he won the first of his four NBA championships in just his second year in the League, or because it all seems so easy for him — Duncan will reveal that he doesn’t really know suffering and struggle in his chosen sport.
But I haven’t asked those questions, because Tim Duncan is perpetually unavailable. Not that he’s hard to find: His work schedule is posted for public view and readily accessible to fantasy owners, gamblers and stalkers alike. Rather, Duncan makes himself unavailable for voluntary probing into his mind. One rule of interviewing is that you want your subject warmed-up and loose before throwing your deep, thought-provoking darts — but Duncan rarely leaves the comforts of frigidity. The most successful “thinking-man’s” ballplayer of his era has spent the better part of 13 years in the public eye keeping his life a closed book.
“He didn’t really say much to me when I was a rookie,” recalls Tony Parker, the San Antonio Spurs point guard who has since won three championships with Duncan and formed arguably the League’s best point guard/big man tandem. “Tim is a quiet guy most of the time, but after you get to know him he’s a great guy and a great teammate. He’s a great leader.”
And yet, from a media standpoint, Duncan might be the most difficult player in the NBA. Nowhere near the unnamed disrespectful, mean-spirited, miserable athletes that sportswriters share barstool stories about, Duncan really is a nice guy. He has been the face of the NBA’s signature squeaky-clean franchise for more than a decade. The quintessential All-World Nice Guy, Hall of Fame center David Robinson, will stick up for his former teammate any day.
But he’s tough. And because Duncan is so tough to figure out — treating interviewers to the same poker face with which he’s played each of his 1,100-plus pro games — and because there’s no flexing after dunks and no trace of playground in his style, he’s earned the scarlet letter in athlete marketing and media hype: Boring.
“That’s garbage,” says Robinson. “He does have a personality. But he’s no-nonsense. You know what he has? He has a dogged determination, and the team has taken that on. But it’s a low-key kind of determination, where you don’t talk about it, you just go do it. Tim prepares himself for the season physically and emotionally, and I think all the other guys know they’ve got to be as prepared as him.”
Somewhere along the way, in trying to solve the Duncan puzzle for this story, I figured out this much: Tim Duncan is not boring. He just isn’t interested in being interesting.
“What would I do if I weren’t playing basketball?” Duncan repeats a reporter’s question during a media scrum at All-Star Weekend. He sighs. He may have heard this question 30 times before. He’s not intrigued. “I don’t even know what I’d be doing.”
After some light-hearted prodding by another reporter, Duncan finally admits: “I would not be a reporter.”
Over the years, I’ve pined for Duncan to appear on a Dime cover. Before the conversation got too far, the b-word would surface and things went downhill from there. Beyond the question of whether TD would sell the front page, could I create a story about him that wouldn’t put readers to sleep? I still don’t know. (Let me know if you stay awake.)
The challenge would be getting something good from a Duncan interview. I’d run into him at All-Star Weekends, at New York Knicks games, at adidas events, but never in a setting for a proper sit-down, soul-searching attempt. At Knicks games, during the pre-game media time, Duncan was always cloaked in the no-fly zone of the trainer’s room. One of those times I approached a Spurs media relations employee and pitched one of my great ideas for a Duncan cover story: I wanted Duncan, who has a Psychology degree from Wake Forest University, to break down the psychological mindset of different types of athletes. The champion. The leader. The follower. The loser. Would I be able to get 20 minutes on the phone with Duncan?
The man practically laughed in my face. “Tim hasn’t done a 20-minute phone interview in 12 years.”
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Duncan should be more famous than he is. He is one of the standard-bearers of the NBA. In the recognized post-Jordan era of 1998 (MJ’s Chicago retirement) until now, Duncan’s rivals can be counted on one finger; maybe two. He has been the anchor of four NBA championship teams in San Antonio, winning three Finals MVPs, two league MVPs, 12 All-Star nods, and 13 All-NBA and All-Defensive Team honors. He has averaged 21.1 points, 11.6 rebounds and 2.3 blocks for his career, ranking in the top seven all-time in each category in the playoffs.
While Kobe has been through ups and downs from Lottery seasons to off-court drama, and Shaq has gained and lost dozens of pounds while playing on a handful of teams and burning bridges in his wake, Duncan is the model of consistency. Every year it’s the same thing: Same team, same 50-plus wins, same championship threat, same 20-and-10-and-2. Only death is more dependable, because some people skip out on their taxes. But no opponent can avoid Tim Duncan.
“He’s just so patient. He never rushes,” says Orlando’s Dwight Howard, the best center in the League. “He takes what the defense gives him and he’s always under control. That’s one thing that as you get older in basketball, you start to learn. I guess it’s just like with life: the older you get in life, the wiser and stronger you become. And that’s why he’s the best power forward to ever play the game.”
“He’s timeless. He’s like a fine wine,” says Chicago Bulls’ All-Star power forward Carlos Boozer. “Honestly, he’s one of those guys that as he gets older, he gets better. More efficient, almost like less energy, but still the same efficiency. Guaranteed 20 and 10.”
As our athletes get quicker, faster and more athletic, Duncan is the tortoise from the old fable. He’s like Jason Voorhees in Friday the 13th, catching sprinters from behind and taking them out while he’s walking with the same ol’ slow bop.
“Am I a better player than I was five years ago?” Duncan repeats the question. (He does that often.) “I’m a different player. Am I better? I don’t know. I’d argue with myself.
“You always try to stand pat with the things you’re comfortable with, and improve the things you’re not,” he says. “I’m probably a better shooter than I was five years ago. But then, I’m not as athletic as I was five years ago. So where do you draw the line? What do you compare? I don’t know.”
He’s 34 years old now, and conventional wisdom says he doesn’t have much time left to play at an elite level. Duncan’s 17.9 points per game last season were a career-low, as were his 10.1 rebounds and 1.5 blocks. He still led the Spurs to the playoffs — the team has never seen the Lottery during Duncan’s tenure, and has only been knocked out in the first round once when he was active — but they were swept in the second round by the Phoenix Suns, usually one of the San Antonio’s perennial victims.
Over the summer, trade rumors surrounded Parker, who will be a free agent in 2011, and the Spurs have made moves to feature a younger core that includes Brazilian frontcourt prospect Tiago Splitter. Duncan is still the glue holding everything together, but time is running out on his run.
“He’s been their best player,” says New Orleans power forward David West, a two-time All-Star. “He’s the guy they’ve built around, the guy they function around. He’s where it starts, and teams know that. We all get older, but as long as he’s still putting up 20-and-10 and they’re still winning, you can’t say he’s slowing down or anything.”
Duncan, of course, shrugs it off. “As long as we’re winning games, it doesn’t matter who gets credit for what,” he says. “One person doesn’t win games, it’s a bunch of guys playing well. You do your part as much as you can, and it is what it is.”
And that is … what, exactly? Duncan secured the title “Best Power Forward of All-Time” years ago. Should he get a fifth championship and perhaps a fourth Finals MVP before he’s done, does he challenge Wilt and Kareem and Russell as arguably the greatest big man, period, the game has ever seen?
“The only person in the League that slowed me down was a brotha named Father Time,” Shaquille O’Neal told the New Orleans Times-Picayune in September. “But no big man is ever going to do what I and Tim Duncan have done in our careers. It was time for 10 consecutive years that either me or Tim was in the NBA Finals. It was broken two years, but there will never be another big guy to do that.”
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They traded Wilt, though. They traded Kareem, traded Moses … they traded Shaq three times. Russell got traded on Draft Day 1956, before they knew what they had. They traded KG, C-Webb, Barkley, Artis, Elvin, Pau, Dikembe and Big Ben. While big men win championships in the NBA — or at least they make up the foundations on which championship wishes are built — so many of the game’s giants have at one point or another been deemed expendable by their teams.
Not Duncan. This summer Kobe Bryant said he was “99.99 percent sure” he’ll retire as a member of the L.A. Lakers. Duncan is the only player in the League who can point-oh-one-up Kobe. He will 100 percent retire with the Spurs. And then he’ll have a statue made in his likeness to stand outside San Antonio’s AT&T Center, throwing hook shots or dropping finger rolls or hitting bankers or whatever pose the sculptor suggests, long after Duncan has faded away from the spotlight. The ultimate steady rock of the NBA, now carved out of a chunk of stone. Fitting.
Will we see much of you when you retire?
“I don’t know,” Duncan says. “Right now it seems very unlikely, but maybe.”
“When you leave something, you always wonder the hands you’re leaving it in,” says Robinson, the cornerstone of the Spurs for eight years before Duncan arrived as the No. 1 pick in the 1997 NBA Draft. “You wonder if it’s going to be secure. There’s nobody better I could have left this team to than Tim. He’s phenomenal. The team has kind of taken on his personality.”
More than any team in the League has done for any superstar, the Spurs have converted to Duncan-ism. Parker and Manu Ginobili have built potential Hall of Fame careers by keeping their noses clean, mastering the fundamentals, producing winning (if not always exciting) basketball and, like No. 21, working the referees. Bruce Bowen went from an NBA journeyman to a starter on three title teams by following the Duncan model. Notorious wild card Stephen Jackson, who won a ring with the Spurs in ’03, names Duncan as the player who had the most influence on him during his San Antonio stint. Even the coach acts like Duncan. Gregg Popovich’s unintentionally hilarious mid-game interviews on national TV have the same clipped, uneasy feel of some of Duncan’s interviews. Not surprisingly, Popovich has often said he’ll probably retire the same day Duncan walks away from the game.
“The thing about Tim,” says Bowen, who retired in 2009, “is that we wouldn’t have had success without him. With certain players on certain teams, they just define the team.”
I relay the words of Robinson and Bowen to Duncan. Tell him that two of his most accomplished teammates credit him with being the foundation of the franchise.
“What does that mean to me?” Duncan is genuinely thinking about this one. “Umm … I think it’s an osmosis thing. I’ve been there for a lot of years now, and the team is somewhat built around me. So I guess you could say that.”
*** *** ***
In putting together this story, my latest attempts to reach out to Duncan weren’t answered before press time. Before that, the last time I tried to get inside the mind of Tim Duncan was during another All-Star Weekend, at an adidas event where Duncan and Howard, the new three-stripes marquee name, were in attendance showing off new product. The two sat for group interviews. Naturally, Dwight’s oversized personality drew most of the attention. I zeroed in on Duncan and tried again.
You told me once that you grew up a fan of the Lakers and Magic Johnson. Do you think team leaders have to be like a Magic, like a Michael Jordan?
“No, because I’m not built like them and I’d (still) consider myself a leader,” Duncan says. “I’m built different — I would guess. I’m a different type of leader. I try to lead by example, try to be the best player I can on the floor. I’m not a big locker-room speech guy. I don’t do that stuff. I think what I do is effective.”
The event’s MC announces there are 30 seconds left for interviews. As I try to think of one last gem, Duncan looks like he’s ready for a nap. Soon, the MC starts counting:
TEN!
NINE!
The contingent of Chinese reporters (Duncan is very popular in China) have shut off their recorders, content with what they have.
SIX!
FIVE!
It’s just Tim and myself now. One question won’t break down a dozen-years wall, but there could be time for a breakthrough.
THREE!
TWO!
I’m looking at him; he’s looking at me. The great icebreaker is floating in the air somewhere. I can’t find it. He won’t help me.
Time’s up.

703 Spurz

02-21-2011, 04:38 PM

Hey Spurfan did you guys watch last night's All Star game? You know, the game where YOUR OWN coach benched his players so that the Black Mamba could lead the West to victory. How gut wrenching must it be that your own coach openly acknowledges Kobe as better than those stiff has been's in Ginobli and Duncan?

How embarrassing must that be for the Spurs franchise:lmao:lmao:lmao

What does Pop give a shit about winning the ASG? I mean the game was in L.A., if it was in Dallas he'd probably have Dirk put up 30 shots. In Denver, Carmelo...in OKC, Durant.

You already know this though so what's the point.

awktalk

02-21-2011, 04:50 PM

I barely knew Christine when she turned up at my door at around eight o'clock on the night of Halloween. We'd met for the first and only time three months earlier when my two roommates and I signed the lease on our apartment: Christine's aunt owned the place we were moving into, and she happened to be up from Delaware visiting at the time. But we'd only spent about five minutes together that day and we hadn't spoken much, and I hadn't thought of her since.

Yet here she was standing outside my door with a friend. And both of them were pretty tipsy.

She asked if she and her friend could come inside our apartment to change into their costumes. She couldn't change at her aunt's place, she said, because she was sleeping and she didn't want to wake her up. Would we mind if she used our bathroom instead?

It was a pretty strange request. Sure, weird stuff happens on Halloween, but I barely knew her, and it isn't every day that someone shows up at your front door and asks to change into their ladybug costume. But I told her it was fine and she was welcome to use our place to get ready.

It didn't take long before the two women—who'd clearly been drinking—were sitting on my couch, beers in hand, trying to convince my roommate and me to join them for a night on the town. Christine was in the holiday spirit dressed in her ladybug outfit. Her friend, who had a female pirate costume on, was much more quiet and reserved. She barely spoke all night.

It was a Wednesday evening, and my roommate and I hadn't been planning to go out. We both had to get up pretty early the next morning for work. But Christine was insistent that we join them, and she wasn't taking no for an answer. "Come on, guys! Let's go! Just throw something on!" she said.

The costume that I wore for the Halloween a year before—a boy scout's uniform that belonged to a friend—was still sitting in my closet. So that made it easy. But my roommate had no idea what to put on.

Christine immediately came up with an idea. She pointed to a cardboard box in the kitchen—the kind that 12-packs of Coca-Cola come in—and told him to cut a hole in the middle and put it on top of his head. We weren't sure what she was suggesting.

"You can go as a cokehead!" she said, bursting into laughter.

With our costume situation sorted out, we headed to South Street, where lots of bars in Philadelphia are located. Half an hour later, the four of us were seated at a table and knocking back beers.

It really didn't take very long for Christine to make her move. She'd grabbed my hand on the way from the apartment to South Street, so I can't say I was totally surprised when she leaned in to kiss me soon after we arrived at the bar.

I could tell when we first met that Christine was older than me. I was 25, and although I never asked her age, I'd have guessed she was in her early 30s. It was only recently that I found out her real age and learned she was in her late 30s when we hooked up. There's a 14-year gap between us, but she looks good for her age. I don't think I'd heard the word "cougar" yet at that point, but that's probably what I'd call her.

Aggressive is another word I'd use to describe her. At the bar, she confessed to me that her aunt really hadn't been sleeping. She hadn't even gone to her apartment to check, she said. She had remembered me from our five-minute meeting the previous summer, and used the story about her aunt as an excuse to knock on my door. She'd set her sights on me from the beginning.

Christine was pretty intense, and she was pretty outspoken that night, but we didn't talk politics much. Her aunt had told me that Christine ran for Senate a year earlier and had lost, so I knew a bit about her background. But the most political she got that night was when she said she attended lots of events in Washington that attracted congressmen and senators. "It would be nice to have a good-looking young man to attend those with me," she added.

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We'd probably knocked back five Heinekens when Christine leaned over and whispered in my ear that she wanted to go back to my place. Before we could go, though, she told me to ask her friend if she'd mind if I drove Christine home later that evening. That was odd. I guess Christine didn't want to come across as a slut in her friend's eyes for going home with me, so she wanted me to bring it up her friend first.

I did what I was told and asked her friend if she had any objection to me hanging out with Christine a little longer provided I took her home later on in the evening. She didn't, and a few minutes after that, we were all headed back to my apartment. Christine's friend got in her car and went home. My roommate went to his bedroom and went to sleep. And Christine and I got cozy on the couch and popped open another beer.

Things got physical on the couch pretty quickly. It wasn't long before we'd moved from the living room to my bed.

I won't get into the nitty gritty details of what happened between the sheets that evening. But I will say that it wasn't half as exciting as I'd been hoping it would be. Christine was a decent kisser, but as soon as soon as her clothes came off and she was naked in my bed, Christine informed me that she was a virgin.

"You've got to be kidding," I said. She didn't explain at the time that she was a "born-again virgin." She made it seem like she'd never had sex in her life, which seemed pretty improbable for a woman her age. And she made it clear that she was planning on staying a virgin that night. But there were signs that she wasn't very experienced sexually. When her underwear came off, I immediately noticed that the waxing trend had completely passed her by.

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Obviously, that was a big turnoff, and I quickly lost interest. I said goodnight, rolled over, and went to sleep. It was almost four o'clock in the morning. I had to get up at 6:30 to go to work.

Christine wasn't in the best of shape when my alarm clock went off three hours later. I was hungover and exhausted and we'd both had about the same amount to drink, so I'm guessing she was feeling even worse. I got up and started to get dressed and told Christine she'd need to get up, too. But she clearly didn't want to budge, and even after I'd reminded her a few times, she was still under the covers. Did she think I was going to leave for work and let her sleep in my bed?

When she finally did get up and dressed and we got in the car, Christine couldn't remember exactly where her friend lived. We circled around for about 20 minutes before we found it, and I dropped her off in the parking lot next to her car, as she asked me to. We said goodbye and exchanged phone numbers and email addresses. But there wasn't a whole lot of back and forth. I didn't even try to give her a kiss goodbye.

I wasn't planning on contacting Christine after our night together. Things hadn't gone so great—especially the part that took place in my bedroom—and I didn't see any reason to try and see her again. But two or three days later, she emailed me to ask me if I wanted to hang out again. I made an excuse. But she didn't take a hint and emailed or called a few more times over the next couple of weeks before I was forced to make it clear to her that I wasn't interested.

Things worked out for the best, though. A few weeks later, Christine started dating my roommate. They went out for over a year, and it was a little awkward the first few times Christine came over to visit him at our apartment and we all had to make conversation in the living room. But that passed pretty quickly. And in case you're wondering, he never had sex with her either, as far as I know.

When I heard several months ago that Christine had decided to run again, I didn't take it very seriously. And I never expected in a million years that she'd end up winning the primary. But she did, and the morning after the election, I sat in disbelief as I watched the news on TV. For a second, I thought I might be hearing things and I went over to my computer and pulled up CNN.com to check if it was true. It was.

God, I hope the same thing doesn't happen next week.

buttsR4rebounding

02-21-2011, 06:26 PM

Hey Spurfan did you guys watch last night's All Star game? You know, the game where YOUR OWN coach benched his players so that the Black Mamba could lead the West to victory. How gut wrenching must it be that your own coach openly acknowledges Kobe as better than those stiff has been's in Ginobli and Duncan?

How embarrassing must that be for the Spurs franchise:lmao:lmao:lmao

Just Pop looking at the big picture. Kobe plays an extra game with his bad knees. He hogs the ball and wins MVP reinforcing his "I have to carry my team" attitude. It will carry over for the next couple of weeks at least with Kobe jacking up 25+ shots a game and going away from the Lakers strength inside frustrating Bynum especially. Maybe Artest can write a rap song about it...:pop:

spurtech09

02-21-2011, 08:13 PM

This is the best you got???come on you can come up with some better stuff than this lol...kobe was a ball hog last night.....kobe started getting tired getting the ball stripped trying to take it to the hoop...kevin durant out played kobe making his shots....kevin durant was my mvp at the all-star game...

manufan10

02-21-2011, 08:19 PM

:lol

Falling for a troll..

Kyle Orton

02-21-2011, 08:19 PM

manufan10

02-21-2011, 08:22 PM

Idk why people hate on Kobe for trying hard in a game that would be great if everyone tried hard and wanted to win. IMO Wade and Amare deserve criticism for talking about Kobe as if it's ridiculous to try hard during the AS game.

Isn't that why most people don't like the AS game? Because no one tries hard and it's a meaningless game?

Obstructed_View

02-21-2011, 08:36 PM

JamStone

02-21-2011, 08:37 PM

Players used to still do highlight plays in the old all star games and defense was still not nearly as good as regular games, but a lot of times in more recent all star games, it's basically a lay-up line in transition for the first 3 1/2 quarters. I don't mind players playing hard but it does look stupid when it's one or two players going hard and the rest of the all stars just not giving a shit. The East had something like 10 turnovers in that first quarter because Kobe and CP3 were actually trying to gamble for steals with the way the East all stars were so nonchalant with the ball. It just looks dumb.

So while in one way you shouldn't fault a player for trying hard because it would be better if all try hard, Kobe does look lame for trying hard when he knows pretty much no one else is. I did like that LeBron got into the East all stars trying to make them play harder. And Kobe's transition dunk looked much more impressive with LeBron actually trying to block it. But when it's a back and forth lay-up line in transition, it gets pretty monotonous.

I don't expect the players to go full throttle because I understand not risking serious injury, but it would make for a better game if there was a more consistent level of competition throughout more of the game.

JamStone

02-21-2011, 08:40 PM

Gotta hand it to a guy to lose three regular season games in a row and really show up for the exhibition game. Kobe was clearly saving his energy for going 1-on-4, failing to pass, and fighting his own teammates for garbage rebounds in order to garner an individual honor for himself in a meaningless game. Oh, by the way, where was he in the fourth quarter? Oh, never mind, he had Kevin Durant to bail him out when it counted.

3 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists in the final 8 minutes. He went 1-for-4 but it's not like he took 10 shots in the final quarter and he was playing hard and he had one of the key assists on one of those Durant jumpers. I think some Kobe haters try really hard to criticize him no matter what. Yes, he wanted that MVP and played like it. Why is there hate on him for that? It's better than not giving a shit. You going to criticize LeBron for trying hard in that second half and almost willing the East to victory? How about Kevin Durant chucking up shots every time he got touches too? Why is Kobe the only one getting so much hate? Nvm. We all know why.

Obstructed_View

02-21-2011, 08:59 PM

3 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists in the final 8 minutes. He went 1-for-4 but it's not like he took 10 shots in the final quarter and he was playing hard and he had one of the key assists on one of those Durant jumpers. I think some Kobe haters try really hard to criticize him no matter what. Yes, he wanted that MVP and played like it. Why is there hate on him for that? It's better than not giving a shit. You going to criticize LeBron for trying hard in that second half and almost willing the East to victory? How about Kevin Durant chucking up shots every time he got touches too? Why is Kobe the only one getting so much hate? Nvm. We all know why.

I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but I didn't say anything that isn't true, so I'm not really sure why you characterize it as "hate". Kobe was a ball hog early and fought his teammates for rebounds that his team would otherwise have gotten, and he shot 25% in the fourth quarter while his team nearly gave up a 17 point lead. It wasn't a surprise, and has certainly been Kobe's MO for most of his career, and I'm not at all angry about it. It's not like there's any way he wasn't going to get the MVP award with all the LA fans voting before the fourth quarter even started. Clearly in no way does that performance cement him as the greatest player of all time.

I'm curious why you think it's better than not giving a shit? Maybe someone should have given out an MVP trophy after the Cleveland game to keep Kobe motivated.

Obstructed_View

02-21-2011, 09:01 PM

Brazil

02-21-2011, 09:02 PM

I'm curious why you think it's better than not giving a shit? Maybe someone should have given out an MVP trophy after the Cleveland game to keep Kobe motivated.

:lol

Sean Cagney

02-21-2011, 09:09 PM

Well he is certainly in the top 10 but i think Mike might have something to say about GOAT.

And so might Wilt and Kareem

Eh yeah! I agree there........... Kobe fans have this fantasy that he is the best ever fro some reason? Like those guys did not exist.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

02-21-2011, 09:32 PM

Hey Spurfan did you guys watch last night's All Star game? You know, the game where YOUR OWN coach benched his players so that the Black Mamba could lead the West to victory. How gut wrenching must it be that your own coach openly acknowledges Kobe as better than those stiff has been's in Ginobli and Duncan?

How embarrassing must that be for the Spurs franchise:lmao:lmao:lmao

Yeah, I was laughing my arse off that Pop did exactly what he wanted to do by resting his own players while playing those of his greatest rival. Classic Pop move.

In other news, you're a fucktard. :lmao

JamStone

02-21-2011, 09:33 PM

I'm sorry it hurts your feelings, but I didn't say anything that isn't true, so I'm not really sure why you characterize it as "hate". Kobe was a ball hog early and fought his teammates for rebounds that his team would otherwise have gotten, and he shot 25% in the fourth quarter while his team nearly gave up a 17 point lead. It wasn't a surprise, and has certainly been Kobe's MO for most of his career, and I'm not at all angry about it. It's not like there's any way he wasn't going to get the MVP award with all the LA fans voting before the fourth quarter even started. Clearly in no way does that performance cement him as the greatest player of all time.

I'm curious why you think it's better than not giving a shit? Maybe someone should have given out an MVP trophy after the Cleveland game to keep Kobe motivated.

It's cool. I'm just curious why people make such a big fuss over it when it doesn't mean anything. I'm curious why you seem to put so much blame on Kobe for the West team losing their big lead.

And I'm not claiming the performance makes him GOAT. That's a pretty ridiculous contention. I just don't see why people are so critical of Kobe when he clearly played well last night. He wasn't perfect. But he played well, even in the fourth quarter when he went 1-for-4, he did other things to help the West win that game.

This is the exact same thing I said. Why is the above not "hating"?

We said similar things, not the exact same thing. I said Kobe played well. You focused on the 1-for-4 and failing to pass. And I'm not sure how someone can get assists on the score sheet for failing to pass though. Kobe's final two offensive rebounds also helped seal the game, hardly garbage rebounds. Fighting with his teammates or not, getting the rebound is the important thing.

I think it's "hating" to criticize Kobe over a game that people are arguing "doesn't matter." I felt your comments were posted specifically to criticize him. But that's fine if really need to put it out there.

cobbler

02-21-2011, 09:43 PM

It was all set up for Kobe to win the MVP on his home floor, just like Griffin won the dunk contest. It was all rigged for the home crowd. Just a show, folks...nothing important in the grand scheme of things.

As was the last two years finals... all scripted by Stern! Blah blah blah
I suppose if you win the title this year all the scripting was put on halt and your guys obtained it with class. :toast

HeatTheBestEver

02-21-2011, 09:56 PM

OP is right, noone care bout them old ass scrub Spurs. They'll just lose in the 1st round, all bout dat 305, we in that thang son!

ezau

02-21-2011, 09:58 PM

Kobe is the GOAT of scrimmage games.

cobbler

02-21-2011, 10:01 PM

Gotta hand it to a guy to lose three regular season games in a row and really show up for the exhibition game. Kobe was clearly saving his energy for going 1-on-4, failing to pass, and fighting his own teammates for garbage rebounds in order to garner an individual honor for himself in a meaningless game. Oh, by the way, where was he in the fourth quarter? Oh, never mind, he had Kevin Durant to bail him out when it counted.

After reading that ignorant post about Kobe should be banned from ASG... I decided to go back and watch the tape since I was at the game and didnt get to see it. Let me tell you, there was only one person out there not really laughing and continually bitching out the refs. Yep... LB.... "this is a road game for us" J.

With that said, and please note that I of course could have missed a few plays due to the coverage....

Kobe:

Touches - 50
shots - 27 ( i had one more than official) 16 in the paint
passes - 19

And I love how the haters say... he only had 3 assists. Well maybe if your boy TD could make a 1 ft layup or KD could follow up several dishes without clanking the layup he might have more?

You all know my stance on MVP's and all the other trinkets the NBA passes out yearly. Worthless. I just had to rewatch and compile some of the numbers since the haters were again spewing BS. Apparently they were up getting beers on the 18 passes that he never threw! :lol

ezau

02-21-2011, 10:22 PM

Greatest player of the all scrimmage games. If played that way against the Cavs, who knows? Lakers could have beaten the powerhouse Cavs. LOL

Obstructed_View

02-21-2011, 11:48 PM

We said similar things, not the exact same thing. I said Kobe played well. You focused on the 1-for-4 and failing to pass. And I'm not sure how someone can get assists on the score sheet for failing to pass though. Kobe's final two offensive rebounds also helped seal the game, hardly garbage rebounds. Fighting with his teammates or not, getting the rebound is the important thing.

I think it's "hating" to criticize Kobe over a game that people are arguing "doesn't matter." I felt your comments were posted specifically to criticize him. But that's fine if really need to put it out there.

The facts that I posted were a retort to the OP, but I certainly never said he didn't play well, and I never said that he was undeserving of the award. Kobe clearly decided that he was going to be MVP, we all knew that, he's not the first to do it. In fact, it's not even his first time doing it. I'm unsure why dopes from the losing team would cry about it, since all they had to do to prevent it was win the damn game.

When a guy with a career-long reputation as a "me first, team last" guy shoots 39 percent in three losses and then goes out and plays as hard as he can for an exhibition, it's going to invite comment. When one of his fans uses said award as some kind of validation of his greatness, it's going to invite comment.