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MannyIsGod
02-23-2011, 09:43 PM
Sup. :hat

redskinfan
02-23-2011, 09:45 PM
yeay another red rocket thread..

Warlord23
02-23-2011, 09:45 PM
-17 on rebounds tbh

EricB
02-23-2011, 09:47 PM
Hit a clutch shot to help win tbh

DesignatedT
02-23-2011, 09:49 PM
47-10 tbh

Bartleby
02-23-2011, 09:49 PM
-17 on rebounds tbh

The whole team sucked on the offensive boards

Warlord23
02-23-2011, 09:50 PM
Hit a clutch shot to help win tbh

Tbh, I didn't expect the game to come down to the wire when we shot the ball better, had fewer turnovers and made a ridiculous number of 3s. Rebounding was a massive fail tonight.

underdawg
02-23-2011, 09:52 PM
Sup. :hat

hell yeah! 12 pts and 5 rebounds in 24 minutes - that's worth every penny of his salary.

Spurs didn't need their 3 point shooting tonight though - would have won easily without it.

8FOR!3
02-23-2011, 09:53 PM
Tbh, I didn't expect the game to come down to the wire when we shot the ball better, had fewer turnovers and made a ridiculous number of 3s. Rebounding was a massive fail tonight.

Tbh true but a wins a win.

Manu20
02-23-2011, 09:54 PM
Bonner made the roof come off when he hit that go ahead 3 to take the lead in the 4th Q :toast

EricB
02-23-2011, 09:54 PM
Tbh, I didn't expect the game to come down to the wire when we shot the ball better, had fewer turnovers and made a ridiculous number of 3s. Rebounding was a massive fail tonight.


Hey how bout that. Still doesn't make the shot any less clutch.


I know it hurts but say it.


Good job Matt bonner.

redskinfan
02-23-2011, 09:55 PM
tbh Blair has to stop the power rebound crap and just grab the damn rebound!

Warlord23
02-23-2011, 09:55 PM
Tbh true but a wins a win.

Fool's gold imo, fwiw, tbh, ibtl

ChumpDumper
02-23-2011, 09:56 PM
Macaroons and those little cucumber sandwiches for everyone!

Warlord23
02-23-2011, 09:56 PM
Hey how bout that. Still doesn't make the shot any less clutch.


I know it hurts but say it.


Good job Matt bonner.

I'll wait for the playoffs to begin showering my praise on Coach B.

EricB
02-23-2011, 09:58 PM
Then it'll be I'll wait till round 2 round 3 the finals then it's


Well it was obviously a career year I wanna see him do it again.

Bonner haters will never give him props when it's deserved.

MannyIsGod
02-23-2011, 09:59 PM
Waiting for the playoffs is fine but tonight the Ginger Power was on full display, tbh.

EricB
02-23-2011, 09:59 PM
Fool's gold imo, fwiw, tbh, ibtl


Yeah wins suck.

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:00 PM
Props for making shots tonight...

That said, props to Dice for bringing some D inside alongside TD...

Spurologist
02-23-2011, 10:00 PM
Ginger doesn't get you rebounds but it's all good in stretches if that shot is falling.

Warlord23
02-23-2011, 10:01 PM
Then it'll be I'll wait till round 2 round 3 the finals then it's


Well it was obviously a career year I wanna see him do it again.

Bonner haters will never give him props when it's deserved.

I give him plenty of props for his 3 point shooting. When he was injured, he was clearly missed - the gap in our offense was palpable. However, his rebounding is still sub-par and I want him to produce in the playoffs for a change.

Props to Matt for making the big shot though

m33p0
02-23-2011, 10:01 PM
Props for making shots tonight...

That said, props to Dice for bringing some D inside alongside TD...

not to mention balls.

ShoogarBear
02-23-2011, 10:01 PM
Then it'll be I'll wait till round 2 round 3 the finals then it's


Well it was obviously a career year I wanna see him do it again.

Bonner haters will never give him props when it's deserved.

Career Playoff Stats
FGP 3PP FTP
.364 .318 1.000
PTS REB
2.9 2.0

No, we just want to see him do it once in the playoffs.

EricB
02-23-2011, 10:01 PM
12 and 6 from your reserve big just doesn't garner the praise it used to.

EricB
02-23-2011, 10:02 PM
Career Playoff Stats
FGP 3PP FTP
.364 .318 1.000
PTS REB
2.9 2.0

No, we just want to see him do it once in the playoffs.


If he does again, you guys will find something.

ShoogarBear
02-23-2011, 10:04 PM
If he does again, you guys will find something.

Yeah, cause if there's one thing that's true in this world, it's that Tpark knows what I will do.

MannyIsGod
02-23-2011, 10:04 PM
TBH EricB almost makes me regret my Ginger Power thread.

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:04 PM
12 and 6 from your reserve big just doesn't garner the praise it used to.

You mean 12/5... he gets the props tonight because he shot well, and Blair stayed in LA seems like...

m33p0
02-23-2011, 10:05 PM
did blair play after the 1st quarter? he seemed to have disappeared. there's your lack of rebounding if you're looking for it.

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:06 PM
If he does again, you guys will find something.

If he wouldn't have done it again we wouldn't have this thread, tbh

MannyIsGod
02-23-2011, 10:06 PM
Blair played in the 2nd half but the problem is he was OKC's best player during that stretch.

MannyIsGod
02-23-2011, 10:07 PM
If he wouldn't have done it again we wouldn't have this thread, tbh

We have this thread because Matt Bonner placed his Ginger Power on the court tonight for all to see and that is the only reason we have this thread.

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:07 PM
This was a good game for a soft perimeter-playing big though... the matchup, Jeff Green, plays more on the perimeter than inside. The question is why Blair couldn't make them pay.

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:08 PM
We have this thread because Matt Bonner placed his Ginger Power on the court tonight for all to see and that is the only reason we have this thread.

I approve of this thread... :tu

ShoogarBear
02-23-2011, 10:08 PM
It is weird that on a night when the Spurs completely sucked ass on the boards, Bonner did relatively well for himself.

Splits
02-23-2011, 10:08 PM
Bonner not only knocked down that huge 3 with 3min and change to go, right before that he cleaned up a busted play for another bucket, while Tim was fouling guys out at the 3 point line.

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:09 PM
It is weird that on a night when the Spurs completely sucked ass on the boards, Bonner did relatively well for himself.

At some point we came out with microball... I think it was Manu, Hill, Neal, RJ and Blair... :lol

Not surprised we got destroyed on the boards...

ElNono
02-23-2011, 10:10 PM
Bonner not only knocked down that huge 3 with 3min and change to go, right before that he cleaned up a busted play for another bucket, while Tim was fouling guys out at the 3 point line.

Clearly Ginger > Duncan...

Beau
02-23-2011, 10:13 PM
Well, I've gotta just give him his props and hope for the best. Like it or not, he's gonna be a key factor in this team's success. Pop and Co. have made that abundantly clear.

So good job Matty. Have that sandwich on me. But if you play like this now and get chased off the line come playoffs, bogging the offense down and eventually crawling up into the fetal position... I'm buying you another sandwich. This time frozen, a foot long, and I'm turning it sideways and shoving it up your pasty Ginger ass.

Way to go Matty. :toast

DesignatedT
02-23-2011, 10:14 PM
Bonner was alright tonight but Dice was a fucking MAN tonight. The Thunder cause all kinds of weird lineups and Pop does some weird things against this team sometimes which could have affected the rebounding. I am fine with what Bonner offers and I think he should play 20 minutes a game but I was very impressed with Antonio's toughness and rebounding tonight and once the playoffs roll around he is clearly going to be the one finishing the game next to Tim.

Splits
02-23-2011, 10:15 PM
Clearly Ginger > Duncan...

Tim made two horrible fouls down the stretch and TP made one as well. Pop was so mad he couldn't even yell at them. Thankfully the last few possessions they locked down.

Splits
02-23-2011, 10:17 PM
Bonner was alright tonight but Dice was a fucking MAN tonight. The Thunder cause all kinds of weird lineups and Pop does some weird things against this team sometimes which could have affected the rebounding. I am fine with what Bonner offers and I think he should play 20 minutes a game but I was very impressed with Antonio's toughness and rebounding tonight and once the playoffs roll around he is clearly going to be the one finishing the game next to Tim.

Agreed. Dice didn't play until the 2nd quarter where we gave up only 16 vs. 37 in the 1st.

DesignatedT
02-23-2011, 10:22 PM
Our Defense was very impressive when Duncan/Dice were in the game which is very promising. We also got stops when we needed them. This defense is not as bad as some people are perceiving it to be. This squad seems to be very quick on the perimeter and stays in front of there guy pretty well IMO. We are definitely a little undersized at every position but that's something we are going to have to overcome. Once the playoffs roll around and guys like Duncan and Dice are playing closer to the 40 minute mark it will help our defense and rebounding tremendously.

4>0rings
02-23-2011, 10:25 PM
When it's red, it burns.

benefactor
02-23-2011, 10:39 PM
The Ginger just getting the Spurs the regular season wins he's supposed to get for them.

MannyIsGod
02-27-2011, 10:30 PM
Sup

G-Dawgg
02-27-2011, 10:38 PM
I bet if Bonner wasn't a funny looking red haired dude, everybody would be all over his schlong, cuz he's been droppin bombs like hiroshima.....

4>0rings
02-27-2011, 10:56 PM
http://images.memegenerator.net/serious/ImageMacro/3070003/MediumThumbnail.jpg?instanceText=not-sure-if-serious

Spurs7794
02-27-2011, 11:02 PM
The best part this season...I don't know about everyone else but he's just launching without thinking and he looks so much more confident. And contrary to what we all think of him, he has been a major fourth quarter player for us this year. Heres hoping it continues into the playoffs.

G-Dawgg
02-27-2011, 11:03 PM
I bet if Bonner was playing for the Miami Heat tonite, they would have beat the Knicks....

:lol

SequSpur
02-27-2011, 11:05 PM
Matt Bonner is a fucking joke. Enough said.

Splits
02-27-2011, 11:06 PM
Bonner's stroke has been looking better and better since he came back from injury. He's clutch in the 4th, knocked down 4 of 5 tonight. I love me some Red Rocket.

DesignatedT
02-27-2011, 11:09 PM
Matt Bonner is a fucking joke. Enough said.

You're a fucking joke fwiw imho tbqh.

TampaDude
02-27-2011, 11:10 PM
I bet if Bonner wasn't a funny looking red haired dude, everybody would be all over his schlong, cuz he's been droppin bombs like Hiroshima.....

:lol :hat :toast

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points

GrandeDavid
02-27-2011, 11:32 PM
The Ginger thing is incredibly uncreative and run into the ground. Matt Bonner is doing a good job for the Spurs, but enough with the derogatory comments. Do you think Bonner would appreciate being referred to as "Ginger"? Well done in an anonymous fan forum, but I seriously doubt you'd do anything but beg him for his autograph were you to see him up close.

GrandeDavid
02-27-2011, 11:34 PM
Matt Bonner is a fucking joke. Enough said.

And if your vocabulary is an indication of your IQ, which it probably is, then it must be about a dozen points below Mike Tyson's.

MannyIsGod
02-27-2011, 11:35 PM
lol its not derogatory

http://www.houseofspoons.com/images/Models/Ginger-Power-shirt-and-model.jpg

Borosai
02-28-2011, 12:43 AM
Another day. Another dump.

DesignatedT
02-28-2011, 12:44 AM
Another day. Another dump.

:lol

Splits
02-28-2011, 01:35 AM
Dude. Is. Clutch.

Mel_13
02-28-2011, 01:37 AM
The Ginger thing is incredibly uncreative and run into the ground. Matt Bonner is doing a good job for the Spurs, but enough with the derogatory comments. Do you think Bonner would appreciate being referred to as "Ginger"? Well done in an anonymous fan forum, but I seriously doubt you'd do anything but beg him for his autograph were you to see him up close.

He made a ginger joke himself while on a postgame interview during the RRT.

Budkin
02-28-2011, 09:00 AM
Like many I had written this guy off after several years of seeing him wilt under pressure. I've got to say though that this year the guy is really making his critics look like fools. He's delivered huge threes this year consistently. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and guess that this will continue in the playoffs. I couldn't imagine saying that before this year.

igruex
02-28-2011, 09:40 AM
Dude. Is. Clutch.

Do. You. Know. What. Clutch. Means?

boutons_deux
02-28-2011, 09:43 AM
Matty with 4/5 3Gs, way above his 50% avg.

75/145 3G this season.

All for nought if he doesn't shoot at least 50% in the playoffs.

Chieflion
02-28-2011, 09:48 AM
During the Memphis game, after Bonner made his first 3, I was going "Give the ball to Bonner, give it to Bonner." In the 3rd quarter, I wanted Manu to Bonner every time down the court and he delivered. He brought the Spurs back. Props to the Red Rocket.

Spurs7794
02-28-2011, 12:35 PM
Like many I had written this guy off after several years of seeing him wilt under pressure. I've got to say though that this year the guy is really making his critics look like fools. He's delivered huge threes this year consistently. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and guess that this will continue in the playoffs. I couldn't imagine saying that before this year.

Exactly. This year, his game and numbers look similar to before but you can see a more confident player this year. He has no hesitation at all. The last bunch of years, he'd always hesitate or overthink, especially in the big games. The game that I really noticed that he's different this year was in the first Lakers game where he pulled up (and missed) a step back three. Keep in mind the only player on our team who does a step back three is Manu. Just the fact that he sorta broke the offense to shoot it himself is a sign of confidence.

Brazil
02-28-2011, 01:00 PM
Matt Bonner is a fucking joke. Enough said.

u're right he is funny ... coach B ftw !

SequSpur
02-28-2011, 01:18 PM
The Ginger thing is incredibly uncreative and run into the ground. Matt Bonner is doing a good job for the Spurs, but enough with the derogatory comments. Do you think Bonner would appreciate being referred to as "Ginger"? Well done in an anonymous fan forum, but I seriously doubt you'd do anything but beg him for his autograph were you to see him up close.

Dumb....

Kori Ellis
02-28-2011, 01:22 PM
The Ginger thing is incredibly uncreative and run into the ground. Matt Bonner is doing a good job for the Spurs, but enough with the derogatory comments. Do you think Bonner would appreciate being referred to as "Ginger"? Well done in an anonymous fan forum, but I seriously doubt you'd do anything but beg him for his autograph were you to see him up close.

Ginger isn't derogatory - it just means redhead.

ElNono
02-28-2011, 01:51 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d5hL26F0d5s/S8M_YMtkBSI/AAAAAAAALMU/yjRa9wfRWnk/s1600/FoolsGold1976.jpeg

gospursgojas
02-28-2011, 02:00 PM
Props to Red Rocket...for this game.

Praying that he brings it in the p.o's

rmt
02-28-2011, 02:00 PM
Happy to see that Bonner hit those 3pters when everyone was so cold in the 3rd quarter. I guess it offsets the number of times he got abused by Randolph who passed off to the cutter for an easy 2.

EVAY
02-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Bonner's release is faster than it used to be on the three ball, and I think that is really helping him feel better about his contribution.

Re: rebounding, particularly offensive rebounding. It might be useful to remember that on the offense, Bonner's role is to spread the floor. So, he is no where near the basket on offense normally, and in no position to rebound. He does okay on the defensive end. Not great, but not terrible.

Muser
02-28-2011, 02:16 PM
Bonner has been pretty fucking clutch this season. Let's pray it continues into the playoffs.

pad300
02-28-2011, 06:27 PM
Matty with 4/5 3Gs, way above his 50% avg.

75/145 3G this season.

All for nought if he doesn't shoot at least 50% in the playoffs.

Eeah, I'd be happy enough with 42%...

MannyIsGod
03-04-2011, 10:15 PM
Mid game bump bitches.

Borosai
03-05-2011, 12:06 PM
http://www.legaljuice.com/shithead.jpg

cheguevara
03-05-2011, 12:07 PM
goddam Bonner = ruthless

and his sidekick = bad motherfucker

ElNono
03-06-2011, 08:59 PM
Those 0 rebounds in 24 mins really propelled the Lakeshow today...

Or are we supposed to bump this only when he has good games?

EricB
03-06-2011, 09:34 PM
:lol I
M SHOCKED elnono would bump this today. Nothing after Friday of course.

slick'81
03-06-2011, 09:38 PM
fck bonner hes a role player .if anyone thinnks matt bonner is gonna be a key to anything the spurs do this year ur on crack

ElNono
03-07-2011, 12:40 AM
:lol I
M SHOCKED elnono would bump this today. Nothing after Friday of course.

I didn't need to bump anything on Friday seeing fool's gold fans bumped it for me... I have no problem acknowledging when he has good games.
Is it that bad to point out when he doesn't?

Borosai
03-07-2011, 12:44 AM
Bonner taking it easy on the Lakers. Nice chap.

Hoops Czar
03-07-2011, 12:55 AM
It's easy to see why Bonner is never a factor in the playoffs.... no airspace.

underdawg
03-07-2011, 12:55 AM
Crap - I tried my best to toe the company line and support this fella, but at the end of the day it is what it is. He needs to hit at least 4 or 5 tres per game to make up for the piss poor rebounding and defense he displays every game. I just don't see that happening. I like Pop and we all know he's the best coach there ever was, but when he rolls out Bonner when the Spurs are getting hammered on defense and on the boards, it's pretty miserable. I don't know if it's possible, but I'd really like to see Pop understand this dude's value - a 3 point shooter and that's it. Don't hope for miracles on defense, don't hope for miracles on the boards - this guy can shoot the crap out of a 3, but he doesn't need 20 minutes per game to shoot his 2-3 pointers per game.

Pop - please use this guy correctly instead of trying to get more out him than he's physically able to accomplish!

gospursgojas
03-07-2011, 01:24 AM
Those 0 rebounds in 24 mins really propelled the Lakeshow today...

Or are we supposed to bump this only when he has good games?

What about Tims 2 and 4 or Manu's 6 pts?

Yes, this games on Matt.

ElNono
03-07-2011, 02:51 AM
What about Tims 2 and 4 or Manu's 6 pts?

Yes, this games on Matt.

Didn't pin it strictly on him. He was part of the problem though...

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:03 PM
Say what you will about today, but Bonner was clutch as hell and this won't be on him.

objective
04-17-2011, 03:05 PM
Bonner : -10

:lol

ShoogarBear
04-17-2011, 03:06 PM
http://blindsquirrelproduction.com/blindsquirrel.jpg

ShoogarBear
04-17-2011, 03:07 PM
No, seriously, props for the two big shots.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:07 PM
Shoog : Lets wait till the playoffs.

Shoog in the playoffs : It was luck.

Sounds about right.

024
04-17-2011, 03:08 PM
since the spurs didn't win this game, bonner's clutch shots will be forgotten soon enough.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:08 PM
And a steal, bitch!

Muser
04-17-2011, 03:09 PM
Props to Bonner for the shots.

lol getting buttfucked on the boards.

ShoogarBear
04-17-2011, 03:10 PM
Are you going to deny the previous 26-playoff-game history of abject suckage? Does one game make up for that?

objective
04-17-2011, 03:13 PM
And a steal, bitch!

are you referring to Parker's steal? Because there's no steal credited to Bonner on the boxscore.

mingus
04-17-2011, 03:14 PM
Bonner played a he'll of a good minute.

Find it hard to believe Splitter couldn't have been used when both the opposing bigs basically had 20-10 games.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:16 PM
Bonner should have been credited with the steal at the end of the game that led to 2 George Hill FTs. If he wasn't then it was a mistake by the scorer.

Shoog, Bonner's suckage in last year's playoffs is really overblown.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:16 PM
He played for 24 minutes.. some people have short attention span, it seems...

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:16 PM
Bonner should have been credited with the steal at the end of the game that led to 2 George Hill FTs. If he wasn't then it was a mistake by the scorer.

Shoog, Bonner's suckage in last year's playoffs is really overblown.

ShoogarBear
04-17-2011, 03:16 PM
Bonner played a he'll of a good minute.


Nice.

mexicanjunior
04-17-2011, 03:17 PM
Bonner's 2 big 3's were nice but he was destroyed the rest of the game by any big he attempted to guard...that killed the Spurs as much as anything.

mingus
04-17-2011, 03:17 PM
Sorry iPhone fuck up

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:19 PM
Gasol 24 points...
ZBo 25 points...

Bonner 3 rebounds...
Neal 3 rebounds... :lol

That said, Dice sucked worse today...

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:19 PM
He played for 24 minutes.. some people have short attention span, it seems...

And he played well for those 24 minutes. He played good defense, actually boarded really well, and came through with clutch shots.

Some people just can't give Bonner the credit he deserves it seems.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:20 PM
Gasol 24 points...
ZBo 25 points...

Bonner 3 rebounds...
Neal 3 rebounds... :lol

That said, Dice sucked worse today...

You're really fucking reaching to knock on Bonner today.

DPG21920
04-17-2011, 03:20 PM
:lol He didn't play well. He made two huge shots which is nice, but that doesn't erase getting ass pounded by the MEM front line.

Muser
04-17-2011, 03:21 PM
Still think the Spurs have got this in 6, but god damn if Bonner is getting 20 + minutes a game against this frontline we are fucked.

DPG21920
04-17-2011, 03:21 PM
He played ok, but only because of those two shots. For me, those two shots erase most of the bad though.

thOOdee
04-17-2011, 03:21 PM
i wish bonner didnt make those 3s......its just more reasons to go this wrong direction

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:21 PM
I don't know why I'm surprised people can't just give Bonner credit given the track record of this forum.

Carry on.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:23 PM
You're really fucking reaching to knock on Bonner today.

What????

He needs to play both ends... 49 points on their bigs has something to do with Matt, right? I mean, after all, Dice was in foul trouble for a long time...

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:24 PM
I don't know why I'm surprised people can't just give Bonner credit given the track record of this forum.

Carry on.

He'll get credit when he helps Tim on both ends of the floor... as small as Blair is, he nabbed 6 boards in less minutes... I don't care if he hits back to back to back 3's... he's only catching up to what he's giving up on the other end...

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:26 PM
Out of the 3 bigs not named Duncan, Bonner played the best defense. Furthermore, its not Bonner's role on this team to be a defensive stopper. He's going to get beat more than a guy like McDyess because he brings other things to the table. He played very good defense today.

Blair and McDyess gave up far more points to those two than Bonner did.

If Bonner goes in and place average defense and makes his open threes then he's played his role and he's done so well. If he hits clutch threes then you have pretty much NOTHING to complain about with Bonner.

He's not going to be Duncan on the defensive end. You guys can't seem to understand that. There's a reason they are called role players.

objective
04-17-2011, 03:27 PM
And he played well for those 24 minutes. He played good defense, actually boarded really well, and came through with clutch shots.

Some people just can't give Bonner the credit he deserves it seems.

Played well for 24 minutes?

He needed help on his man seemingly everytime, got bailed out by dumb Memphis fouls when he was about to turn the ball over, bricked his other two shots, passed up an open shot early in his playtime iirc, and was pancaked and thrown to the ground in the 4th among other lowlights.

Some people just give Bonner credit he doesn't deserve it seems.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:28 PM
I disagree Manny. When he's out there he needs to play both ends... especially if he's out there in crunch time... otherwise, don't play him. We're not going to agree on this, and that's fine.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:28 PM
:lol

Its amazing.

mexicanjunior
04-17-2011, 03:28 PM
He's not going to be Duncan on the defensive end. You guys can't seem to understand that. There's a reason they are called role players.

If we are already conceding points with Bonner on the court, just in the hope he makes 3's, he has no business being on the floor.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:29 PM
And FWIW, I've given Bonner credit when he has played well... obviously it hasn't happened yet either in the playoffs...

Mugen
04-17-2011, 03:29 PM
Bonner wasn't the problem. He was way better than Dice/Blair. He played well for about 3-4 minutes but it was in the clutch so he gets a passing grade.

The only thing more surprising about his clutch play today is that Manny isn't being as retarded as he usually is.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:30 PM
So his role is to be a turnstile on defense? Is that what you're telling me? I think Pop would want more than that...

ShoogarBear
04-17-2011, 03:30 PM
If Bonner goes in and place average defense and makes his open threes then he's played his role and he's done so well. If he hits clutch threes then you have pretty much NOTHING to complain about with Bonner.


So basically you're saying that except for The Golden Minute, this game would have been just another brick in the legacy of playoff suckage?

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:30 PM
I disagree Manny. When he's out there he needs to play both ends... especially if he's out there in crunch time... otherwise, don't play him. We're not going to agree on this, and that's fine.

He does play both ends but its stupid to expect all of your players to play equally on both ends of the court. Its completely unrealistic.

Like I said, he was the best defensive big not named Duncan today. You can't knock that.

Pop should have played Tiago, but he should have taken AD's or Blairs minutes.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:32 PM
So his role is to be a turnstile on defense? Is that what you're telling me? I think Pop would want more than that...

He was far from a turnstile. He played good defense. I'm not saying he was a DPOY candidate today, but he was good on the defensive end. If Bonner plays good positional defense and hits 3s he's filled his role.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:32 PM
So basically you're saying that except for The Golden Minute, this game would have been just another brick in the legacy of playoff suckage?

If he hadn't hit those two threes then of course this game isn't nearly as good.

But he did.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:33 PM
He does play both ends but its stupid to expect all of your players to play equally on both ends of the court. Its completely unrealistic.

I don't want him to be Tim Duncan-defensively good. I want him simply not to be abused by whoever he's guarding or such a liability that we need to send double teams. That has not happened yet.


Like I said, he was the best defensive big not named Duncan today. You can't knock that.

I disagree. As bad as Blair was, he played a much more complete game than Bonner overall, especially in the 1st half. Now, if you're blinded by the golden minute, then I have nothing to tell you.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:35 PM
He was far from a turnstile. He played good defense. I'm not saying he was a DPOY candidate today, but he was good on the defensive end. If Bonner plays good positional defense and hits 3s he's filled his role.

He was a turnstile on defense. Failed to box out, gave up offensive boards, missed rotations. Dice was worse today though.

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:35 PM
There's no way Blair was better. No fucking way.

objective
04-17-2011, 03:36 PM
Bonner was better today than McDyess.

And Bonner had the best playoff game of his entire career, based on when the shots fell.

But on the whole this was a modest game for Bonner. If you hit 2 threes in the final minutes and are still a -10, maybe that's bad? Plus/Minus isn't a great indicator, but Bonner-lovers have used it for years as proof of how he's the greatest Spur of all time.

And by the way . . .

Remember Bonner-lovers defense of his nightmarish failure in 2009? It involved making excuses for him because Manu wasn't playing, therefore being impossible for him to make his shots.

Yet without Manu today he somehow managed to not fail with 3s in the 4th?

How could the be even possible?

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:40 PM
It's good to hear thought that Bonner-lovers admit that Pop's plan for a championship include a player whose role is not to play defense... as failed as that sounds...

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:42 PM
lol tanking to play against the Blair/Bonner frontcourt and being right about it...

MannyIsGod
04-17-2011, 03:43 PM
It's good to hear thought that Bonner-lovers admit that Pop's plan for a championship include a player whose role is not to play defense... as failed as that sounds...

You sound like DarrinS. If this is the way you want to be, then go right ahead.

objective
04-17-2011, 03:44 PM
There's no way Blair was better. No fucking way.

I have watch the game a second time but in the moment right now, I would rank them about equal. Blair had some major fails trying to score around bigs and turning the ball over, but did get offensive rebounds and managed to have a +8 without any points from his froncourt mate Bonner.

ElNono
04-17-2011, 03:53 PM
You sound like DarrinS. If this is the way you want to be, then go right ahead.

You said it. The 'that's not his role' has been as overused as his plus/minus...
Somebody please tell me what is his defensive role?

objective
04-17-2011, 03:58 PM
Bonner is useful in pick and rolls because he recovers well while whirring his T-Rex arms in dog-paddle fashion.

that's about it.

Booharv
04-17-2011, 04:12 PM
Bonner is useful in pick and rolls because he recovers well while whirring his T-Rex arms in dog-paddle fashion.

that's about it.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Booharv
04-17-2011, 04:13 PM
He does actually move like that tbh

objective
04-17-2011, 08:09 PM
I've rewatched the game with a Bonner centric focus.

He did play servicable enough that he didn't hurt the Spurs with his defense, and overall played better than my immediate impressions following his play in the 4th quarter, which was probably his worst before the shots went down.

Defensively he spent most of his time against Arthur. Memphis tried to post him up on Bonner but it never happened. Bonner battled Arthur to the point that passes never came, but I feel that was largely Arthur playing soft. Bizarrely, most of the possessions where he was guarding Gasol or Randolph, Memphis never went at him, ignoring the Rasheed Wallace edict of giving the ball to whoever Bonner was guarding. Bonner battled hard though, I've never doubted his effort or activity level.

If that continues for the rest of the series, then Bonner won't hurt the Spurs too much.

It was the 4th quarter where Bonner's defense came into play, such as Gasol going at him and forcing Bonner to foul.

Bonner's rebounding wasn't great. The one play where he he was thrown to the ground by Randolph while Gasol scored off the offensive rebound . . . I couldn't tell if it was his responsibility to rotate and block out Gasol or RJ's, but RJ rotated to block out Randolph instead with Bonner. Bonner still got wrecked though. I'm leaning towards blaming Bonner.

Bonner was bailed out of two turnovers by dumb fouls. The first one he passed on the shot and got lucky. The second one I feel would have been a 24 second violation without the contact. And of course he lucked into free throws with his loose ball rebounding mega-flop. IF Memphis continues to bail out Bonner like that and refs fall for flying flops, then Bonner doesn't hurt the Spurs there either.

Where Bonner didn't help the Spurs however was the whole reason for him to be on the court: spreading the floor. The only Memphis player who paid any respect to Bonner's range was Gasol, and he didn't cover him nearly as much as Arthur. Anyone not named Gasol simply left Bonner largely uncovered and came down to pack the paint. They didn't respect Bonner, and they weren't spread about the floor.

So it was the best game of Bonner's postseason career to my memory.

But they should still play Splitter over any big not named Duncan.

They have their best chances to win when playing their best players. That means Splitter over Bonner (or McDyess or even Blair). Just like it meant Hill over Mason and Vaughn in 09.


Bonner should have been credited with the steal at the end of the game that led to 2 George Hill FTs. If he wasn't then it was a mistake by the scorer.


The scorer was right, that ball was deflected by Parker away from Randolph and into Bonner, though Memphis was claiming that Parker hit the passer's arm. Bonner was just standing there.