Spurs not getting a big will be the end of them

[Basketball Power]

Thunder = Perkins, Nazr
Lakers = Pau, Bynum, Odom
Mavs = Dirk, Chandler, Haywood
Spurs = Duncan, 6ft 8inch Blair


We are winning NOTHING with that big lineup

[tdunk21]

ok

[jeebus]

alright

[coyotes_geek]

Great topic. One you surely can't find being discussed in any other threads right now.

[benefactor]

gnsf doing work son.

[Mel_13]

What an original point of view.

[chazley]

Love how you fail to mention McDyess/Tiago/Bonner...

[Leetonidas]

Guess you can stop watching Spurs basketball and never post on ST again. :tu

[Cane]

Guess you can stop watching Spurs basketball and never post on ST again. :tu

[4>0rings]

Love how you fail to mention McDyess/Tiago/Bonner...
McDyess true but Tiago and Bonner? A highschool player can post up those string beans.

[Basketball Power]

Love how you fail to mention McDyess/Tiago/Bonner...

McDyess isn't 7ft, hell he's an undersized PF
Tiago is a flop, will not play one meaningful minute in the playoffs
Bonner, really? you consider him a big? give me a break

[ace3g]

McDyess isn't 7ft, hell he's an undersized PF
Tiago is a flop, will not play one meaningful minute in the playoffs
Bonner, really? you consider him a big? give me a break

and Blair isn't 6'8 so who cares....the bigger concern is back up SF, so that Manu isn't playing multiple positions/multiple minutes

[Obstructed_View]

McDyess true but Tiago and Bonner? A highschool player can post up those string beans.

Andrew Bynum < high school player

[UnWantedTheory]

Okie Dokie Pokie.

[Buddy Holly]

McDyess isn't 7ft

Neither is Perkins.

Who cares about a couple of inches. Really, that's going to be a factor, a couple of inches? Give me a break.

Spurs front line is fine.

[SenorSpur]

I think the size disadvantage is more of an issue that people realize. The OP brings up a good point. Out of the top four team in the conference, the Spurs have the smallest frontline. As I stated in another post, the past 2 games versus playoff-caliber competition, the Spurs have been outrebounded by a wide margin.

If Pryzbillia is bought out by the Bobtails, the Spurs would be foolish NOT to explore that option. Imagine being able to roll out Duncan and Pryz versus Bynum and Gasol - even if it's just for a spot minutes a game.

I don't think this is an issue that can just be poo-pooed away. The Mavs and Thunder have responded to the challenge by adding more size. The Celtics, who already had a fairly large frontline, responded by adding even more. The only way to combat size is with size. You cannot beat size with speed - especially in the playoffs.

[Budkin]

You have the power of a basketball.

[ChumpDumper]

lol power

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Thunder = Perkins, Nazr
Lakers = Pau, Bynum, Odom
Mavs = Dirk, Chandler, Haywood
Spurs = Duncan, 6ft 8inch Blair


We are winning NOTHING with that big lineup


Sequ?

[Mel_13]

I think the size disadvantage is more of an issue that people realize.

Everyone's aware of the size of the Spurs frontline.

[Dice]

McDyess isn't 7ft, hell he's an undersized PF


Since when is 6'9 245 "undersized" for a power forward?

[Obstructed_View]

I think the size disadvantage is more of an issue that people realize. The OP brings up a good point. Out of the top four team in the conference, the Spurs have the smallest frontline. As I stated in another post, the past 2 games versus playoff-caliber competition, the Spurs have been outrebounded by a wide margin.
If Pryzbillia is bought out by the Bobtails, the Spurs would be foolish NOT to explore that option. Imagine being able to roll out Duncan and Pryz versus Bynum and Gasol - even if it's just for a spot minutes a game.

I don't think this is an issue that can just be poo-pooed away. The Mavs and Thunder have responded to the challenge by adding more size. The Celtics, who already had a fairly large frontline, responded by adding even more. The only way to combat size is with size. You cannot beat size with speed - especially in the playoffs.

The Spurs are the 8th best rebounding team in the NBA, tied with Oklahoma City.

By the way, I love the logic that the Thunder added more size by trading Kristic to Boston and Boston simultaneously added more size trading Perkins to OKC.

[Brazil]

sorry but we suck at rebounding see OKC game

[ohmwrecker]

Did Texas2Step have to re-register?

[Basketball Power]

sorry but we suck at rebounding see ANY game

fixed

[DesignatedT]

We have recently had a couple terrible rebounding games but we are currently #8 in the league in total rebounding. That does not "suck". Consider that with our 2 best rebounders Duncan and Dice playing a career low in minutes which obviously won't be the case in the playoffs.

[SenorSpur]

The other point people miss is the ability to defend the interior. To do that, you need length. Of course, the majority of NBA teams can't do that. However most of the major championship contenders can.

[EricB]

If we suck at 8, what does that mean for Boston who is 29?


Oh wait that doesn't fit rascal as his minion's agenda.

[Hoops Czar]

Another backdoor Tiago Splitter thread.

[DesignatedT]

^^ That is obviously not the approach the Spurs have been taking or will be taking in the playoffs... Looking back at our previous title teams is useless seeing as our gameplan is totally different. Whether it shows to be the right decision or not we will see but currently we are 47-10 following this new style of play put in by Pop with "shit rebounding" and no shot blockers.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I don't worry about the size for the Spurs bigs as much as I do with the back court. Westbrook was fighting for a lot of boards last night. Durant was taking anyone the Spurs put on him down on the block. Big men who are out position because they have to help a smaller guard on a double team are going to get hurt on the boards with athletic groups like the Thunder's.

[cd98]

I don't think anyone should start a thread like this unless they can provide the name of legitimate big men they want and what the Spurs should give up to get them.

[SsKSpurs21]

Neither is Perkins.

Who cares about a couple of inches. Really, that's going to be a factor, a couple of inches? Give me a break.

Spurs front line is fine.

its not the size of the boat...its the motion in the ocean!

[Cry Havoc]

You have the power of a basketball.

:lmao

[DesignatedT]

Westbrook is probably the best rebounding guard in the league tbh. It continues to be hard to judge these games when Duncan isn't playing the entire load and Dice is playing 15 minutes. You would have to think Dice will hit closer to 30 minutes once the playoffs roll around like we saw last season. When Duncan and Dice were in at the same time last night against OKC our defense was very good.

[mark of a champion]

Thunder = Perkins, Nazr
Lakers = Pau, Bynum, Odom
Mavs = Dirk, Chandler, Haywood
Spurs = Duncan, 6ft 8inch Blair


We are winning NOTHING with that big lineup

I'm a little confused, aren't we 7-1 in games against these teams? The only loss being early season to Dallas. Seems like the Spurs are managing quite well against these lineups. Not to mention all of the big three are healthy and have had minutes managed for them all year with the deepest bench they have ever had. Who the hell are the Spurs supposed to be afraid of...

[DBMethos]

Thunder = Perkins, Nazr
Lakers = Pau, Bynum, Odom
Mavs = Dirk, Chandler, Haywood
Spurs = Duncan, 6ft 8inch Blair


We are winning NOTHING with that big lineup

Even at his current age, I'll take Duncan in the playoffs over any of the other bigs you mentioned.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm a little confused, aren't we 7-1 in games against these teams? The only loss being early season to Dallas. Seems like the Spurs are managing quite well against these lineups. Not to mention all of the big three are healthy and have had minutes managed for them all year with the deepest bench they have ever had. Who the hell are the Spurs supposed to be afraid of...

Please don't introduce reality to this. The Spurs can't rebound and they're doomed.

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq165/junah42/Snark/bender-doomed.jpg

[JTSD]

Please don't introduce reality to this. The Spurs can't rebound and they're doomed.

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq165/junah42/Snark/bender-doomed.jpg
+1. :lmao

[anakha]

Whole lotta Chicken Little posters showing up recently.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm a little confused, aren't we 7-1 in games against these teams? The only loss being early season to Dallas. Seems like the Spurs are managing quite well against these lineups. Not to mention all of the big three are healthy and have had minutes managed for them all year with the deepest bench they have ever had. Who the hell are the Spurs supposed to be afraid of...

You are confused... We haven't beaten the new look Thunder, 0-1 with Dirk against the Mavs, and yeah, 2-0 vs the Lakers.

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

How'd the Spurs beat the teams with those big guys then? The OP has never adequately addressed the shortcomings of his own theory.

[Obstructed_View]

Basketball Power failure.

[100%duncan]

cool story brah, first thread here that talks about the line ups

[UnWantedTheory]

Okie Dokie Pokie.
What this handsome devil said.

[K-State Spur]

Indeed, we'll struggle to match up with all of these teams.

The Thunder have Perkins & Nazr...Perkins AND Nazr...PERKINS AND NAZR! Together, they could shred us for up to 9 points per game!

[UnWantedTheory]

ViftZTfRSt8

[island_dude]

Not like there was a quality big man available, unless you were hoping to outbid the Rockets for Thabeet.

[Hoops Czar]

Not like there was a quality big man available, unless you were hoping to outbid the Rockets for Thabeet.

We already have Splitter... Thabeet would be redundant.

[Bito Corleone]

Thunder = Perkins, Nazr
Lakers = Pau, Bynum, Odom
Mavs = Dirk, Chandler, Haywood
Spurs = Duncan, 6ft 8inch Blair


We are winning NOTHING with that big lineup

Blair is 6'7"

Oh, and, Cool story bro. :tu

[JR3]

I'm sorry but Blair is a beast! With the way he plays, 6'8 translates to 6'11 for you numbers guys.

[Basketball Power]

Look how the Spurs played against the Bulls (in Chi), Celtics, Mavs (WITH DIRK). We beat a struggling Lakers by fluke in LA and people think our interior problems went away.

[SequSpur]

I agree. The big teams fucking win and if you can't recognize that, then you obviously don't know shit about basketball which 99 % of you don't. I read your bullshit takes and your opinions and it usually adds up to a box of shit.

Bonner will always be a fucking failure. The Lakers and the Mavs will use the Spurs inside. They have no chance...end of fucking story... Pisspoor management...standing pat won't do shit for them...60 wins will be fools gold.

[FauxTimmy]

never doubt TD

[SequSpur]

never doubt TD

2 points in allstar game.

[Basketball Power]

Spurs management forgot that you don't get a banner for regular season champs

[FauxTimmy]

2 points in allstar game.

well don't fault him for that.

he was coach's selection, no? i figured it was a life-time achievement thing.

if i were TD, i wouldn't break a sweat at the ASG

[K-State Spur]

2 points in allstar game.

Which would bother me if I thought for half a second that Tim gave the slightest shit about that game.

[SpurAddict561]

Did Nazr turn into the 2nd coming of Hakeem the Dream after he left us? am I missing something?

[spursbird]

McDyess true but Tiago and Bonner? A highschool player can post up those string beans.
So why don't the Spurs FO sign one of them?

[Spurs and Mavs fan]

Thunder = Perkins, Nazr
Lakers = Pau, Bynum, Odom
Mavs = Dirk, Chandler, Haywood
Spurs = Duncan, 6ft 8inch Blair

We are winning NOTHING with that big lineup


47-10 doesn't sound like "nothing" to me.

[Obstructed_View]

So the Spurs are doomed because their starting center is 6'7", and they'd be fine if only they'd traded for a guy that Blair dominated in college and who hasn't started for a bad team while Blair is starting for the best team in the league.

[Mel_13]

So the Spurs are doomed because their starting center is 6'7", and they'd be fine if only they'd traded for a guy that Blair dominated in college and who he's completely outclassed in two seasons in the NBA.

See, you're getting it now.

[DesignatedT]

The Bulls were +15 on the boards against Miami tonight. Clearly Miami is not a legit contender. Chalk them up as fools gold as well.

[Em-City]

my concern with our size is not so much the rebounding aspect the lack of a second shotblocker/ shot alterer.

[mingus]

I like our depth. The others guys can go big, but so can the Spurs. They can't go small however.

Spurs can go with Duncan/McDyess/Splitter if they need better interior defense. But Bonner will be important in the playoffs.

I honestly think that Splitter was on his way toward getting minutes right before he went down, and I have a feeling Pop will try and give him those minutes he was going to give him once he comes back.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Dice is the key to our postseason frontcourt.

If he keeps playing at a high level, we've got a good shot.

[mingus]

I thnk both Dice and Splitter will have to show up.

[underdawg]

Spurs don't need size - they will outshoot their opponents to compensate for fewer rebounds, less points in the paint and a defense probably not built for the playoffs. That plan has been in effect for a while and won't change anytime soon.

[Obstructed_View]

my concern with our size is not so much the rebounding aspect the lack of a second shotblocker/ shot alterer.

That's been my concern since the 2006 postseason. Hopefully they can combine 2007's team with Dice and Duncan putting up a lot of defensive minutes.

[# 1 Troll]

How is this news?????anydumbazz that really believes the Spurs match up well with the Lakers or Mavs is retarded.Even OKC got the size

[Gregzilla]

i agree. The big teams fucking win and if you can't recognize that, then you obviously don't know shit about basketball which 99 % of you don't. I read your bullshit takes and your opinions and it usually adds up to a box of shit.

Bonner will always be a fucking failure. The lakers and the mavs will use the spurs inside. They have no chance...end of fucking story... Pisspoor management...standing pat won't do shit for them...60 wins will be fools gold.

this.

[SequSpur]

Dice is the key to our postseason frontcourt.

If he keeps playing at a high level, we've got a good shot.

hittin the bong again aye?

[4>0rings]

So why don't the Spurs FO sign one of them?
Same FO that signed Bogans more than once and actually played him minutes. Who knows wtf goes through their heads.

[DesignatedT]

Well looks like we have another pretender. Denver is currently +13 on the glass against Boston. Chalk Boston up as fools gold as well. Getting killed on the boards.

[Gregzilla]

Well looks like we have another pretender. Denver is currently +13 on the glass against Boston. Chalk Boston up as fools gold as well. Getting killed on the boards.

SERIES bro, fukouttahere

[dav4463]

Tim Duncan has been on cruise control all season. I have no doubt that he will step it up at playoff time. If anyone can turn it on when needed, it is Tim Duncan.

There is no reason for him to bust his butt every night while the team is winning. When Tim is needed, he steps up. We've seen him do it a few times this year. In the playoffs, with no back to backs, look for Tim Duncan to prove why he is an all-star.

Remember this post.

[dbreiden83080]

When you are 47-10 you gotta roll with that team

Don't ya think??

[Man In Black]

I agree. The big teams fucking win and if you can't recognize that, then you obviously don't know shit about basketball which 99 % of you don't. I read your bullshit takes and your opinions and it usually adds up to a box of shit.

Bonner will always be a fucking failure. The Lakers and the Mavs will use the Spurs inside. They have no chance...end of fucking story... Pisspoor management...standing pat won't do shit for them...60 wins will be fools gold.

Are you saying a team with a small-ish frontcourt has never won a title?
I guess you haven't watched basketball all that much. 1977-1978 The Washington Bullets. A starting Front Court of Wes Unseld at 6'7" 245 lbs, Elvin Hayes at 6'9" 235 lbs, and Bobby Dandridge at 6'6" 195 lbs.

It's all about balance and all those teams that just traded for bigs have only so much time to get their shit together.

[EricB]

That 6'9 starting center in 2007 really killed that franchise's chance at a ring


oh wait...

[Gregzilla]

Are you saying a team with a small-ish frontcourt has never won a title?
I guess you haven't watched basketball all that much. 1977-1978 The Washington Bullets. A starting Front Court of Wes Unseld at 6'7" 245 lbs, Elvin Hayes at 6'9" 235 lbs, and Bobby Dandridge at 6'6" 195 lbs.

It's all about balance and all those teams that just traded for bigs have only so much time to get their shit together.


Is this a serious post?

[Man In Black]

Question: Are NBA Championships serious?

You bitch for size when in all reality, it's a team that's balanced best, that's going to win the most. While the LAL has won the last 2, would you say that they've done it in a convincing fashion? I say hell no. They luckily beat Boston and size had nothing to do with it. Boston went in with Davis at the Center and he's barely taller than Blair.

But again, just because the Spurs aren't the tallest, doesn't mean they aren't tough enough or lack physicality. I, for one, can't wait for Blair to set a mean pick on opposing post players to clear space for the best and most decorated backcourt in the league.
OPEN YOU EYES.

[Man In Black]

Question: Are NBA Championships serious?

You bitch for size when in all reality, it's a team that's balanced best, that's going to win the most. While the LAL has won the last 2, would you say that they've done it in a convincing fashion? I say hell no. They luckily beat Boston and size had nothing to do with it. Boston went in with Davis at the Center and he's barely taller than Blair.

But again, just because the Spurs aren't the tallest, doesn't mean they aren't tough enough or lack physicality. I, for one, can't wait for Blair to set a mean pick on opposing post players to clear space for the best and most decorated backcourt in the league.
OPEN YOU EYES.

[Gregzilla]

Question: Are NBA Championships serious?

You bitch for size when in all reality, it's a team that's balanced best, that's going to win the most. While the LAL has won the last 2, would you say that they've done it in a convincing fashion? I say hell no. They luckily beat Boston and size had nothing to do with it. Boston went in with Davis at the Center and he's barely taller than Blair.

But again, just because the Spurs aren't the tallest, doesn't mean they aren't tough enough or lack physicality. I, for one, can't wait for Blair to set a mean pick on opposing post players to clear space for the best and most decorated backcourt in the league.
OPEN YOU EYES.

What YOU fail to realize is that the top tier teams are ALL BALANCED. We ALL match up well with eachother, all have different strengths..good SIZE in the front court has been a staple for championship teams this past decade..SA, LA, Boston, Miami. Please don't bring up the late 70's again.

[Man In Black]

Know what you fail to realize is THAT AREN'T ALL BALANCED. Do you even know what BALANCED means?

What kind of frontcourt does Miami have? They have Bosh & Dampier & Ilgauskas. You're assertion is that it's all about the front court. If that's the case, then isn't Miami's one of the weaker ones? Let's talk New York, They have Stoudemire, Anthony, & Ronny Turiaf? Seriously? How about the LAL? Gasol(Black Swan one day, White Swan the next), Bynum(Can he actually make it through the playoffs without complaining about a knee issue?) and Odom(Solid player, but he ain't unbreakable.). Dallas has Dirk, Chandler, & Butler(Okay no Butler) but this is the part where you'll tell me that Peja is a solid big right?

You don't know this game very well, and while size can be an advantage, it ain't the only one. Again, open your eyes. The Opera ain't over until the Fat Lady sings. That's from that Bullet's team that won it all with a small-ish frontcourt. If you're going to tell me that only the recent era of basketball works, do I need to point out that some of the Spurs best plays are from the Celtics when RED AUERBACH Coached?
Learn something...When it comes to hoops knowledge, you ain't zilla at that at all.

[Rummpd]

Check the stats Duncan is blocking about 2 boards a game (and about the same per game) and more per 48 minutes than D. Howard and playing only 27 minutes per game. Blair has more heart and game than 1/2 players you mentioned and K. Perkins in particular is vastly over-rated.

[Em-City]

Check the stats Duncan is blocking about 2 boards a game (and about the same per game) and more per 48 minutes than D. Howard and playing only 27 minutes per game. Blair has more heart and game than 1/2 players you mentioned and K. Perkins in particular is vastly over-rated.

and what about when duncan is on the bench??

[Mel_13]

and what about when duncan is on the bench??

Like most of the league's elite big men, Tim Duncan blocks fewer shots from the bench.

[dbestpro]

Right now the game seems to be evolving from one of size to speed. With the changes in the eastern conference we may see playoff games officiated more to an up tempo design. It seems like CIA Pop is also a visionary and has positioned the Spurs to succeed in this evolution. In the end size matters, but speed kills.

[Rummpd]

Fail - Duncan in the playoffs will basically be the center and will play at least 6-7 more minutes a game and is currently rated by Hollinger as 3rd in the entire league in PER and is I mentioned blocking more per minute than Howard and will go for his typical 18 and or more and 13 and 2 + blocks per game. No other team in the entire NBA is basically capable of adding what a motivated Duncan will bring in more minutes in the playoffs. Dice has turned back the clock, Bonner is leading the league in 3% or close and Blair is playing better and Splitter is available for spot minutes. The Sky is not falling - Pop and this Front Office are not stupid and believe me if they thought any of the players mentioned would help them they would have gone after them - Boston recognized that size is not the end all and got better!

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/qualified/false

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/avgBlocks/year/2011/seasontype/2

Dirk plays away from the basket and Gasol while very skilled is erratic and Bynum has injury issues. Mavs have to play a friggin zone as they cannot cover speed and even with their size are a mediocre defensive team in efficiency. Blair takes up space and his wingspan is that of at least a 6 9 player and again has more upside than half or more of the players you list.

The only team with a plausible true effective size advantage is the Lakers and they have other issues period.

[rascal]

Dice is the key to our postseason frontcourt.

If he keeps playing at a high level, we've got a good shot.

If Dyess is the 2nd best big on the team you are in trouble. He is one year from retirement. Dyess should be the 4th big and coming off the bench for a team with serious title hopes. The spurs have no depth on the frontline.

[rascal]

Fail - Duncan in the playoffs will basically be the center and will play at least 6-7 more minutes a game and is currently rated by Hollinger as 3rd in the entire league in PER and is I mentioned blocking more per minute than Howard and will go for his typical 18 and or more and 13 and 2 + blocks per game. No other team in the entire NBA is basically capable of adding what a motivated Duncan will bring in more minutes in the playoffs. Dice has turned back the clock, Bonner is leading the league in 3% or close and Blair is playing better and Splitter is available for spot minutes. The Sky is not falling - Pop and this Front Office are not stupid and believe me if they thought any of the players mentioned would help them they would have gone after them - Boston recognized that size is not the end all and got better!

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c/qualified/false

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/avgBlocks/year/2011/seasontype/2

Dirk plays away from the basket and Gasol while very skilled is erratic and Bynum has injury issues. Mavs have to play a friggin zone as they cannot cover speed and even with their size are a mediocre defensive team in efficiency. Blair takes up space and his wingspan is that of at least a 6 9 player and again has more upside than half or more of the players you list.

The only team with a plausible true effective size advantage is the Lakers and they have other issues period.


Pop and the front office are stupid at times-"Scola".

[Rummpd]

http://hickory-high.com/2010/05/19/effective-height-and-defending-the-paint-part-2/

Brilliant article on effective vs. just height

"There was an increased correlation with Block Rate, but other than that the correlations were weaker than when using the eHeight of the entire team. Again this would seem to indicate that controlling dribble penetration and challenging shots, have just as much impact as length and height, in defending the paint. I am sure there is much more to this equation than my meager analysis has provided. With an eye towards the NBA Draft it might be wise for teams to focus on the skill set and motor of a player as opposed to falling in love with a physical profile.

[Rummpd]

Yeh Scola is leading to a lot of wins. Love to have him on the Spurs but he is also not a super sized player.

[Basketball Power]

Yeh Scola is leading to a lot of wins. Love to have him on the Spurs but he is also not a super sized player.

because Scola is surrounded by so much talent in Houston right? So Rockets losing will be concession for you when the Spurs get man handled and lose games in the playoffs because they got killed on the boards?

[anakha]

and you would know?



TP has gone out of his way to say he's gone after this season countless times already


I can't remember see someone being so open to get the hell out a team, Spurs 100% going to trade him this season


and people think Parker will sign an extension with the Spurs? LMAO

Spurs need to trade him and get an all star in return


If the Spurs don't trade this guy they will be the biggest fucking idiots since the Knicks

And you wonder why you have no credibility whatsoever.

[Mel_13]

And you wonder why you have no credibility whatsoever.

Brilliant.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Zilla and MIB going back and forth with the same avatar is tripping me out...

[KenziE]

hmmmmm

[xmas1997]

I crossed Scola off the list way back when he signed with Houston.
Seems to me people need to leave the past behind.

[Kool Bob Love]

Zilla and MIB going back and forth with the same avatar is tripping me out...


Same here.:lol

[xmas1997]

Is Rascal a Spurs fan, or what?
Because it sure doesn't sound like it.
All I read from him is negativity.
I grant you, I am a "homer" and proud of it, I might add.
But at least I go up or down swinging with my team come win or lose.

[Basketball Power]

And you wonder why you have no credibility whatsoever.

but will have another championship to show for it? Hill as a PG with all those pieces that the Nuggets got to the Spurs and we win the title this year

[ChumpDumper]

but will have another championship to show for it? Hill as a PG with all those pieces that the Nuggets got to the Spurs and we win the title this yearlol power outage

[easjer]

Like most of the league's elite big men, Tim Duncan blocks fewer shots from the bench.

:rollin

[Gregzilla]

Know what you fail to realize is THAT AREN'T ALL BALANCED. Do you even know what BALANCED means?

What kind of frontcourt does Miami have? They have Bosh & Dampier & Ilgauskas. You're assertion is that it's all about the front court. If that's the case, then isn't Miami's one of the weaker ones? Let's talk New York, They have Stoudemire, Anthony, & Ronny Turiaf? Seriously? How about the LAL? Gasol(Black Swan one day, White Swan the next), Bynum(Can he actually make it through the playoffs without complaining about a knee issue?) and Odom(Solid player, but he ain't unbreakable.). Dallas has Dirk, Chandler, & Butler(Okay no Butler) but this is the part where you'll tell me that Peja is a solid big right?

You don't know this game very well, and while size can be an advantage, it ain't the only one. Again, open your eyes. The Opera ain't over until the Fat Lady sings. That's from that Bullet's team that won it all with a small-ish frontcourt. If you're going to tell me that only the recent era of basketball works, do I need to point out that some of the Spurs best plays are from the Celtics when RED AUERBACH Coached?
Learn something...When it comes to hoops knowledge, you ain't zilla at that at all.


If you can honestly sit there and say the top tier teams (sa, dallas, la, boston,orlando, and miami) aren't balanced or match up well with each other than it's useless talking to you...you said of all the front court's Miami is the WEAKEST? The Spurs have the smallest of all of them and our best post player is avg 13 & 9....some of you homers think we still have the 27 year old duncan, have you noticed teams Don't double team him anymore?...just suck it up and come to reality....when the playoffs come around and only the best teams are left, Inside we are weak and it's gonna hurt us..I think I heard the Spurs give up like the 2nd most points in the paint...regardless, I know chemistry is great, but WE have it, Boston has it, LA has it, and Dallas now has it...get fuckn real bruh

[Basketball Power]

Duncan isn't going to magically start average 25/14 like the old days when the playoffs hit. This is going to be a harsh reality for a lot of Spurs fans

[DrSteffo]

Duncan isn't going to magically start average 25/14 like the old days when the playoffs hit. This is going to be a harsh reality for a lot of Spurs fans

Yes right we all expect Tim Duncan to suddenly go 25/14. We all wake up when Tim Duncan doesn't do that :bang

[jjktkk]

Duncan isn't going to magically start average 25/14 like the old days when the playoffs hit. This is going to be a harsh reality for a lot of Spurs fans

The Spurs are 47-10 without Duncan averaging 25/14 either. Have you've been watching the Spurs this year?

[wontstartdumbthreads]

Duncan isn't going to magically start average 25/14 like the old days when the playoffs hit. This is going to be a harsh reality for a lot of Spurs fans

No one expects that. But we do expect him to step up his game from the regular season as he always seems to do. And he's had a good regular season. Good numbers in reduced minutes.

We also expect Manu to step his game up as well. Maybe he doesn't get on an offensive roll but just his intensity alone and his ability to make the play that makes the play will help us win games.

I think the bottom line is that even with the best record in the NBA, most of us here think the Spurs have another gear for the playoffs and have not played to their potential yet. Maybe I'm wrong but history suggests otherwise.

[TampaDude]

Duncan isn't going to magically start average 25/14 like the old days when the playoffs hit. This is going to be a harsh reality for a lot of Spurs fans

We're 47-10, or haven't you been keeping up with current events?

Go fellate a running chainsaw, loser.

[Man In Black]

I'm cool with Tim going 20 & 10 and the Spurs still winning. 13 & 9 with as little minutes as TD has played? Fellas, fellas, fellas....Tim's just laying in the weeds. He's been as efficient as he's ever been on a per minute basis and actually blocking more shots. He's sandbagging until it's time not to.

[anakha]

but will have another championship to show for it? Hill as a PG with all those pieces that the Nuggets got to the Spurs and we win the title this year

That whistling sound was the point of my post flying completely over your head.

But then again, I shouldn't be surprised, given the absolutely brilliant, logical, and intuitive reasoning you've displayed so far.

[Man In Black]

If you can honestly sit there and say the top tier teams (sa, dallas, la, boston,orlando, and miami) aren't balanced or match up well with each other than it's useless talking to you...you said of all the front court's Miami is the WEAKEST? The Spurs have the smallest of all of them and our best post player is avg 13 & 9....some of you homers think we still have the 27 year old duncan, have you noticed teams Don't double team him anymore?...just suck it up and come to reality....when the playoffs come around and only the best teams are left, Inside we are weak and it's gonna hurt us..I think I heard the Spurs give up like the 2nd most points in the paint...regardless, I know chemistry is great, but WE have it, Boston has it, LA has it, and Dallas now has it...get fuckn real bruh

Just say you don't know what the fuck balanced means okay :wakeup

Get fucking real.

[024]

the only big i wanted that was traded was perkins. but no way the celtics would trade him to the spurs. all trades would probably require giving up blair/anderson so no other trades for bigs would have made much sense.

on another note, i'm very sad the spurs didn't acquire battier.

[AlleyOopNazi]

spurs have 5 bigs, all with different skill sets... other teams' inability to stop our guards will be the end of them...

[island_dude]

We already have Splitter... Thabeet would be redundant.

That comment was meant in sarcasm. Thabeet is a complete stiff, but the Rockets have been playing 6'6 Chuck Hayes at center. I would think if there was a better big available they could've done better than Thabeet.

[underdawg]

We're 47-10, or haven't you been keeping up with current events?

Go fellate a running chainsaw, loser.

it's the 5th best start in the NBA of all time, correct? That should make this team the 5th best team of all time.

[underdawg]

No one expects that. But we do expect him to step up his game from the regular season as he always seems to do. And he's had a good regular season. Good numbers in reduced minutes.

We also expect Manu to step his game up as well. Maybe he doesn't get on an offensive roll but just his intensity alone and his ability to make the play that makes the play will help us win games.

I think the bottom line is that even with the best record in the NBA, most of us here think the Spurs have another gear for the playoffs and have not played to their potential yet. Maybe I'm wrong but history suggests otherwise.

What is the true expectation? Are the Spurs differerent enought from last year to be successful in the playoffs? The Spurs were pounded pretty heavily by the Suns last year and I don't think the Suns were that great of a team - not to mention if the Spurs would have had to face the lakers.

Jefferson is improved, Dice is playing better and Neal has been huge for the Spurs offense, but shooters go cold and old guys tire out and Jefferson is Jefferson.

Bottomline is that this argument has been made before and it has relevance given the Spurs playoff success over the past few years. The Spurs could have helped themselves out by trying to add some kind of depth to the front court for defensive purposes. A healthy big 3 is not enough these days and there is probably a 90% chance this is their last shot of being healthy at the same time. The FO owes it to them to give them every chance and I find it hard to believe that standing pat is doing that.

[rascal]

Finally two new guys Gregzilla and Basketball Power seeing it how it is going to turn out and not pounding the homer drum constently, and not getting fooled by the regular season record.

[rascal]

We're 47-10, or haven't you been keeping up with current events?

Go fellate a running chainsaw, loser.

The problem is that all teams go back to 0-0 when the playoffs start.

[rascal]

spurs have 5 bigs, all with different skill sets... other teams' inability to stop our guards will be the end of them...

Cross Bonner off the Big list. He plays small.
Cross Splitter off too. He will not be any type of difference maker.
That leaves the spurs with 3 playable bigs and two are PF, with one with his best years behind him, near retirement.

Duncan needs more help than that.

I dont know how anyone can be comfortable with that frontline going into the playoffs.

[admiralsnackbar]

Cross Bonner off the Big list. He plays small.
Cross Splitter off too. He will not be any type of difference maker.
That leaves the spurs with 3 playable bigs and two are PF, with one with his best years behind him, near retirement.

Duncan needs more help than that.

I dont know how anyone can be comfortable with that frontline going into the playoffs.

Just how comfortable do people need to feel? Invincible? :lol

Like any team in the league we could stand to be stronger at every position, but half of this game amounts to working with what is available.

We didn't make trades because the overall price/performance ratio on this team is so obscene that we'd have to ship out more talent and strategic flexibility than we could reasonably expect to get back. Take tonight, where we got to watch one of the best PGs CURRENTLY beasting in the league get traded for the POTENTIAL of a young big. Even mediocre bigs aren't cheap, but anyway... that's all moot now that the deadline has passed.

I'd love it if we were able to incorporate some shed talent off waivers, but even then, the reality is that any players we did acquire (short of maybe Pryz) would not be of such talent as to ever displace our current line-up as much as to provide injury insurance and garbage minutes and frankly, we have Tiago for that.

All to say that this team --as any -- could be even more talented and deep, but as things stand there's plenty of evidence that we have a fighting chance even if we aren't able to improve enough to guarantee a ring.

[Gregzilla]

What is the true expectation? Are the Spurs differerent enought from last year to be successful in the playoffs? The Spurs were pounded pretty heavily by the Suns last year and I don't think the Suns were that great of a team - not to mention if the Spurs would have had to face the lakers.

Jefferson is improved, Dice is playing better and Neal has been huge for the Spurs offense, but shooters go cold and old guys tire out and Jefferson is Jefferson.

Bottomline is that this argument has been made before and it has relevance given the Spurs playoff success over the past few years. The Spurs could have helped themselves out by trying to add some kind of depth to the front court for defensive purposes. A healthy big 3 is not enough these days and there is probably a 90% chance this is their last shot of being healthy at the same time. The FO owes it to them to give them every chance and I find it hard to believe that standing pat is doing that.

This.

[Gregzilla]

Finally two new guys Gregzilla and Basketball Power seeing it how it is going to turn out and not pounding the homer drum constently, and not getting fooled by the regular season record.

:toast

[Man In Black]

What is the true expectation? Are the Spurs differerent enought from last year to be successful in the playoffs? The Spurs were pounded pretty heavily by the Suns last year and I don't think the Suns were that great of a team - not to mention if the Spurs would have had to face the lakers.

Jefferson is improved, Dice is playing better and Neal has been huge for the Spurs offense, but shooters go cold and old guys tire out and Jefferson is Jefferson.

Bottomline is that this argument has been made before and it has relevance given the Spurs playoff success over the past few years. The Spurs could have helped themselves out by trying to add some kind of depth to the front court for defensive purposes. A healthy big 3 is not enough these days and there is probably a 90% chance this is their last shot of being healthy at the same time. The FO owes it to them to give them every chance and I find it hard to believe that standing pat is doing that.

It's like boxing. Styles make fights. Agree? What the Suns did to LAST year's Spurs was stretch them out by having a big play outside forcing Tim to play away from the post. Couple that with Frye's uncanny channeling of past Jaren Jackson Demi-God like performances and well...we all saw what happened. Had they have met the Lakers, the matchup style would've been more even. It's not like Lamar or Pau's designated role is to spot up at the 3 point line while Not so speedy and not so pass-y Derek Fisher penetrates with options. That's not the Lakers modus operandi. The Suns Pushed the Lakers to 6 and had Kobe not bricked a 3 that fell into Artest's lap for a layup in game 5 win, that series could've gone either way. Plus, Frye shot his load the series before.

How can one say they are standing pat? It's been said that privately, Pop said, I need a God Damn Bench!!! I'm sure it was more colorful than that but he got a bench this year that offers him more options than he's had in a long, long time.

An early season article had the Spurs at #2 behind Dallas.
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/shaun_powell/09/01/NBAs.best.benches/index.html
This was before the NBA discovered that Gary Neal is stone-cold from the 3point line and that the Lakers picked up a White Derek Fisher clone(Not the younger PG with late clutch shots, but the one now who plays turnstile D and averages the least amount of points among starting PG's.) times 2.

But yeah, I saw what you saw LAST YEAR. But do you see what I see THIS YEAR?
:flag:

[Dex]

Maaaax Powerrrr....

He's the man with the name you'd like to toooouch....

But you musn't toooouch!

[UnWantedTheory]

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[UnWantedTheory]

:depressed

[UnWantedTheory]

When has 48-10 not been good enough for contention? Every team has a weakness, but damn! Of course we wish we had Howard,Garnett, & Pau type players along with Duncan....but you roll with what you have & acquire what is attainable. We are in just as good a position as the other "elite" teams, but nothing is a guarantee for any organization. There are restrictions & only so much can be done for many reasons beyond our collective knowledge. Let us hope for a good buy out option, if not, let it the fuck go. We have obviously exceeded expectations & have been doing quite well thus far. We also have a great chance & that is all anyone could ask for.

[ChumpDumper]

You should know that even when the Spurs win it all, rascal is unhappy.

Even more unhappy than usual.

[UnWantedTheory]

You should know that even when the Spurs win it all, rascal is unhappy.

Even more unhappy than usual.
It appears that way. I have been around for almost 2 years, but this is beyond ridiculous now. I might be drunk, but damn!

[UnWantedTheory]

It appears that way. I have been around for almost 2 years, but this is beyond ridiculous now. I might be drunk, but damn!
Well it has always been that way, but again, DAMN!