Hey, about them Koch brothers...

[Yonivore]

We Must Stop Those Evil Koch Brothers From Helping Expand Individual Liberty (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/we-must-stop-those-evil-koch-brothers-from-helping-expand-individual-liberty/)

So, they give the max allowed by state law to Walker and that makes them evil puppeteers?

Meanwhile, irony being the ugly beast it is, one of the principle actors trying to make the Kochs out to be the boogey men of Wisconsin writes for an organization "lavishly" funded by George Soros and other liberal scum.

Powerline Blog has written a couple of revealing posts about how the left is crafting their fight in Wisconsin.

The first shows how the Left is trying to make the Kochs out to be the conservative equivalents of, well, George Soros.

Think Stupidity (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/02/028429.php)

The next demonstrates how the Left constructs a lie.

No Word From Eric Lipton (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/02/028459.php)

Both are quite instructive.

[Yonivore]

More...

Koch Executives Speak Out on Wisconsin (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/260685/koch-executives-speak-out-wisconsin-robert-costa)

[Marcus Bryant]

Each 'side' needs a bogeyman, apparently.

[ElNono]

The left doesn't like supporters of politicos from the right?
What's next, water is wet?

I personally don't like the amount of economic influence characters like these guys have in the political process. From either side.

That's why I frankly find asinine the reasoning the SCOTUS used to re-allow unfettered undisclosed campaign contributions... c'est la vie.

[Marcus Bryant]

Or, our bogeyman has created your bogeyman.

[Stringer_Bell]

Meanwhile, irony being the ugly beast it is, one of the principle actors trying to make the Kochs out to be the boogey men of Wisconsin writes for an organization "lavishly" funded by George Soros and other liberal scum.

*ahem* Show the New Civility, please?

The Kochs were whipping boys long before the WI debate was a twinkle in the Left's eye. They've been paying people to protest in favor of their interests and busing in actors to their events. I'm sure both sides do it, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with naming names.

And think about it, how fucked is it that the Kochs have direct access to Walker's ear when other people attempting to get ahold of him can't speak directly to him?

[Yonivore]

*ahem* Show the New Civility, please?
The "new civility" wasn't my idea.


The Kochs were whipping boys long before the WI debate was a twinkle in the Left's eye. They've been paying people to protest in favor of their interests and busing in actors to their events. I'm sure both sides do it, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with naming names.

And think about it, how fucked is it that the Kochs have direct access to Walker's ear when other people attempting to get ahold of him can't speak directly to him?
According to reports, the faux Koch sat on hold for quite some time and, if he had actually been the real Koch it would have been one of the few times -- if not the first time -- Walker had ever spoken to him.

It's obvious from the tape, Walker wasn't that well acquainted with the caller.

If you want to talk about how fucked it is for someone to have direct access to power...

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That's President of the AFL-CIO Richard Trumka.

Please save the sanctimonious crap about undue influence.

[Stringer_Bell]

Please save the sanctimonious crap about undue influence.

Sanctimonious? Where did I make a claim that the Left had the high ground on anything the Right does? They're both focused on "bait and switch" tactics. We know the Kochs are a bunch of dicks, and Soros is a dick too, but the Kochs have been pushing their product harder in the last year so they catch more crap for it. When they get called out on it by ANYONE (regardless of political affiliation), it doesn't reflect a political agenda, and if that's all you see then you're insecure about how the average American views big contributors of the Right. It's not a big deal, they're all dicks and they can do without you defending them or pointing out how the other side are dicks too.

[boutons_deux]

Standard Yoni defense of the right, to say they are no worse than the left.

Yoni, let us know when the Dems start a bogus war that kills 4000 Americans and 100Ks Iraqis.

Then we got TRUE equivalence.

Until then, YOU LIE with your false equivalence bullshit.

[Yonivore]

Sanctimonious? Where did I make a claim that the Left had the high ground on anything the Right does? They're both focused on "bait and switch" tactics. We know the Kochs are a bunch of dicks, and Soros is a dick too, but the Kochs have been pushing their product harder in the last year so they catch more crap for it. When they get called out on it by ANYONE (regardless of political affiliation), it doesn't reflect a political agenda, and if that's all you see then you're insecure about how the average American views big contributors of the Right. It's not a big deal, they're all dicks and they can do without you defending them or pointing out how the other side are dicks too.
Why are the Kochs a bunch of dicks? They gave $40K to Walker's campaign, the max allowed by law? Where's your evidence of undue influence?

You're right about Soros, though.

[Nbadan]

Yeah, the Koch Brothers are just 'concerned citizens' who sponsor (and by that I mean they give millions of dollars too) GOP front groups like the Tea Party, Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity, Citizens for a Sound Economy...but these groups they're pro-right, so they're...alright....


Two years into Barack Obama's first term as president, the Beltway wisdom about the vocal opposition, the Tea Party movement, has solidified. The Tea Party, we're told over and over, is a break from the previous conservative movement that was dominated by the Christian right. This time, they're more libertarian in scope, not interested in social issues but just economic ones (as if the line between the two were so thick).

This impression is only solidified by the fact that among the big money players in the conservative movement right now is (likely atheist) Karl Rove with his group American Crossroads, while the deepest pockets behind Tea Party groups such as Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks and Citizens for a Sound Economy belong to the Koch brothers, who are radical libertarians who don't seem to care much one way or another about traditional social conservatism. So blinded by these big money groups, mainstream media continues to push the narrative that Tea Partiers don't care about social issues, and even that Republicans who hammer on about social issues will take an electoral hit.

It must have been quite a surprise, then, to have the new Republican-dominated House of Representatives, which rode in on a sea of Tea Party energy and funding, to immediately put most of their efforts into controlling the uteruses of America, through a series of bills that would defund Planned Parenthood, end all private insurance funding for abortion, and even allow doctors to refuse to save the lives of pregnant women if doing so would require performing an abortion.

Where's the "small government" and "fiscal conservatism" in that?

Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/feb/25/tea-party-movement-republicans)

[Stringer_Bell]

Why are the Kochs a bunch of dicks? They gave $40K to Walker's campaign, the max allowed by law? Where's your evidence of undue influence?

I don't even know where to start on this one, there's a good year's worth of articles/exposes about their interests, power plays, and faux activist events. If you think I'm slinging mud, I assure you that mud is cleaner than the slime they're already covered in.

[Marcus Bryant]

Standard Yoni defense of the right, to say they are no worse than the left.

Yoni, let us know when the Dems start a bogus war that kills 4000 Americans and 100Ks Iraqis.

Then we got TRUE equivalence.

Until then, YOU LIE with your false equivalence bullshit.


I guess American history began on 9/11/01.

[boutons_deux]

The Dems are bad, the Repugs are gawd fucking awful for the everybody except the VRWC.

There simply is no Dems = Repugs equivalence.

[boutons_deux]

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[boutons_deux]

Here's typical ELIMINATIONIST talk from Kock Bros financed front groups

Koch Front Group Americans For Prosperity: ‘Take The Unions Out At The Knees’

HAGERSTROM: It’s easy to go out there and fight taxes and increased regulation, you know we send out an action alert on taxes to AFP and we get thousands of people to respond. You send out one on a more complicated issue and it just doesn’t quite resonate…We fight these battles on taxes and regulation but really what we would like to see is to take the unions out at the knees so they don’t have the resources to fight these battles.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/25/afp-union-knees/

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So again, irrefutable proof that union destruction is not about deficits and "shared sacrifice" and other stinking bullshit, but exclusively about the Repug/VRWC POLITICAL POWER objective of eliminating the unions as a major source of Dem support, just like they scammed ACORN out of existence, eliminating a key source of registering Dem voters, NOT about ACORN's bogus pimping and whoring and child-trafficking.

The VRWC is all about money and unchallenged power accrued to the VRWC, no matter how badly is fucks up UCA, the people, the soil, water, air, or other countries. Their $Bs isolate them from the shitstorm they visit on everybody else.

[boutons_deux]

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[Winehole23]

I guess American history began on 9/11/01.The beginning of the end of American history, maybe.