Knicks @ Heat Game Thread

[Flo-Rida]

Heat by 10+

[Xylus]

The Knicks are going to need some time to put it together, so the Heat should definitely win this one.

[Flo-Rida]

The Knicks are going to need some time to put it together, so the Heat should definitely win this one.

Agreed and considering how their defense played out against two of the worst offensive teams in the league , we should score at will .

[Giuseppe]

I hope the Heat pound their ass to like smithereens.

[Kyle Orton]

My fuckin mom is in NY and has tickets to this game. It's gonna be sick.

[j.dizzle]

The Knicks just lost to Cleveland, they're probably pissed off but they'll probably still lose by 15 haha. Amare & melo are gonna have to score 30 each if they wanna even keep it close.

[LkrFan]

148-129 Heat

[redzero]

DAT PASS BY LeBron!

[Flo-Rida]

WOAH at the alley oop

[lefty]

Chalmers is dumb

[Flight3107]

My fuckin mom is in NY and has tickets to this game. It's gonna be sick.

Awesome, they playing the game on the jumbo tron?

[Flo-Rida]

Awesome, they playing the game on the jumbo tron?

He's retarded cut him some slack he also claimed the miami hurricanes to be spear chuckers

[lefty]

Awesome, they playing the game on the jumbo tron?

:lol

[Kyle Orton]

He's retarded cut him some slack he also claimed the miami hurricanes to be spear chuckers

No, I called you a spear chucker.

[Flo-Rida]

No, I called you a spear chucker.

:lol

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm pulling for the straight team....Go Knickerbockers....

[Kyle Orton]

Awesome, they playing the game on the jumbo tron?

Yeah um I don't have an explanation. She told me she had tickets to the Knicks Heat game, not sure what she was talking about....

[Flo-Rida]

I'm pulling for the straight team....Go Knickerbockers....

Shut up bitch

[Flo-Rida]

yes mike miller 2/2 from three

[lefty]

yes mike miller 2/2 from three

Bosh 1/18

[Koolaid_Man]

Shut up bitch


looking for a bitch...check out the dude getting dunked on in my sig....I heard his ass was for sale.....

[Flo-Rida]

looking for a bitch...check out the dude getting dunked on in my sig....I heard his ass was for sale.....

Your lame just stop

[Flo-Rida]

Bosh 1/18
Bosh is 3 for 3 ;)

[lefty]

Bosh is 3 for 3 ;)

Its only the 1st half

[Flo-Rida]

cmon lebron

[Flo-Rida]

wow just wow ...

[Kyle Orton]

lol 16-0 run to close the half

[hitmanyr2k]

The Heat have MAJOR problems when they don't get out and run. This is a carbon copy of what happened with the Bulls. Miami has the athletes to get out and run on any team but when that running game grinds to a halt their offense flutters in the half court even with Lebron and Wade's offensive capabilities. Their offense just has no structure to it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spoelstra is one of the worst coaches in the NBA, which is what we've been saying since the first few weeks of the season, while non-Heat fans were blaming the players..if the Heat are going to win the title this year, it's gonna be strictly on talent and in spite of the coach..

I thought he would be fine(although I didn't follow Miami much last year), but he seems overwhelmed by this..

[lefty]

Chalmers :lmao

[John Basedow]

lol more Knicks fans than Heat fans there

[ATXSPUR]

Anybody remember back in the 90s when these teams would fight every time they played?

[hitmanyr2k]

lol more Knicks fans than Heat fans there

I thought I was the only one hearing Knicks fans cheering :lol

[lefty]

Lulz

[hitmanyr2k]

Anybody remember back in the 90s when these teams would fight every time they played?

My favorite Knicks/Heat fight of all-time is PJ Brown flipping Charlie Ward out of bounds like a rag doll. He did it so effortless.

[lefty]

Bosh?????

[Flo-Rida]

Were sucking ass and of course spo cant make an adjustment to save his fucking life .. god i hope we hit those open jumpers and have a decent half court game in the playoffs

[hitmanyr2k]

How many times have the Heat and Knicks had a fast break and ended up with a 3 point shot?

[j.dizzle]

LOL you guys see the NY rotation right now. Billups & a bunch of YMCA players. This is gonna be a good rivalry for years once NY gets some legit role players.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron is the PG no use even pretending like Chalmers matters he playes less PG than Dfish does for the Lakers Lebron controls and initiates most of the offense ...

[j.dizzle]

Miami's offense is funny to watch. Nobody on the team can post up but Wade so its nothing but a bunch of guys chilling outside the 3 point line waiting to shoot. Bosh is a pussy, he doesnt bring much for being a "superstar"

[hitmanyr2k]

Amare has been neglected in this game. He's being treated like he's Dwight Howard or something :lol

[DPG21920]

Bosh pwning Amare.

[DPG21920]

Amare not looking nearly as impressive as a 2nd option. Makes Bosh's numbers look pretty damn good as a third option.

[hitmanyr2k]

Show the other angle bitches. You know damn well ESPN has more than one camera angle.

[Killakobe81]

Spike going nuts ...

[Killakobe81]

Hey knicks with no size hanging with the Heat ...

[j.dizzle]

The girl sitting 2 seats from Spike is fuckin gorgeous.

[Killakobe81]

Melo playing decent defense on Lebron ....

[Killakobe81]

The girl sitting 2 seats from Spike is fuckin gorgeous.

She is hot ..

[lefty]

Wow

[Killakobe81]

Amare rings em up after and he was fouled no call ...LOL

I dont get why Heat dont go small sure anthony (joel) gives you defense ... but NY doing a lot of iso anyway ...

[John Basedow]

Amare not looking nearly as impressive as a 2nd option. Makes Bosh's numbers look pretty damn good as a third option.

lol rationalization

It's too late to save face on that issue, scro. You were wrong, life goes on

[Flo-Rida]

this game is so sloppy

[Mr Fundamental]

Bad officiating.

[j.dizzle]

Haha 1st foul for the Heat in the 4th quarter

[DPG21920]

lol rationalization

It's too late to save face on that issue, scro. You were wrong, life goes on

Really, post the numbers scrah. Especially the head to head numbers. K, thanks.

:lol Ignoring one guy plays with Wade/Lebron and the other played with Wilson Chandler like it makes no difference.

Also, Amare started off amazingly and Bosh struggled when you were calling scoreboard. Things have changed since the very beginning of the season, no?

[hitmanyr2k]

Carmelo is so fuckin lazy. He can take Mike Miller all day off the dribble or backing him down in the post. Letting him off the hook with that brick.

[Killakobe81]

Bad angle shot by melo he has to take that 1 on1 but did not work to his sweet spot, seemed to be worried about Lebron's help ...

[hitmanyr2k]

At least Billups knows what to do when a scrub defender like Miller is in front of him.

[lefty]

Wooooooooooooooo

[Killakobe81]

Knicks getting few calls ... but hanging tough ...

[John Basedow]

chauncey is THAT trigga

[lefty]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaw



Mr Big Shot

[DesignatedT]

:wow billups

[ffadicted]

Wow, chancey billups is a motherfucking pimp. The blood running through that clutch ass nigga is and has always been fucking ice cold

[Flo-Rida]

We fucking suck i swear to god how do you let the game go like this ?

[lefty]

Knicks getting few calls ... but hanging tough ...

Seriously

Those refs are a disgrace

[Killakobe81]

Man Wade is a decent defender but last couple years in big games I can recall at least 3 shots (Kobe's bank, the deng shot and that one) where he is RIGHT there and the guy shoots it in his face late ...

[Flo-Rida]

Win or lose

[HarlemHeat37]

Heat are now in a position where they always suck, clutch time..hopefully, they have made some progress with their clutch time shot selection, there's still a lot of time left in the season, but they haven't shown any progress at all..

[j.dizzle]

LOL at Miami even if they win this game. NY gonna tear that ass up when they get D.Will or Cp3 in the future

[Killakobe81]

Lebron has to take this over ...his TO was key to losingthe lead ...

[lefty]

I feel sorry for the faggots who are watching the Oscars

[hitmanyr2k]

Bosh your go-to guy. Good job Spo :lol

[Flo-Rida]

fucking disgrace

[Killakobe81]

Williams has to dunk that what a puss!!

[Killakobe81]

Get the ball to freakinbg Lebron ... Bosh? are u freaking kidding me? Option3?

[DPG21920]

Again, I am not saying Bosh is better, I am just saying the gap does not appear to be nearly as wide as some were making it out to be in the beginning of the season. Especially now that Melo is there jacking up 30 shots.

[DesignatedT]

lol bosh

[Flight3107]

Billups > Anthony tbhqf...

[IronMexican]

fucking disgrace

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/boshflop.gif

[Killakobe81]

that was partially on the ball but amare shouldnt have swiped he should of just bodied him maybe they swallow the whistle ...

[HarlemHeat37]

We fucking suck i swear to god how do you let the game go like this ?

Miami coasts way too much, that's a major issue..Lebron has been coasting all season(shooting too many jump shots and being a facilitator), Wade doesn't play D half the time..the team takes too many stupid jump shots and have too many turnovers, yet they never take any responsibility or look like they care..

Every game looks like they're playing after partying too much the previous night..hopefully, they start giving a consistent effort and play smart basketball during the playoffs..

[Flo-Rida]

please stop them please

[John Basedow]

Really, post the numbers scrah. Especially the head to head numbers. K, thanks.

:lol Ignoring one guy plays with Wade/Lebron and the other played with Wilson Chandler like it makes no difference.

Also, Amare started off amazingly and Bosh struggled when you were calling scoreboard. Things have changed since the very beginning of the season, no?

Here's a simple solution to this argument. Who would you rather have on your team?


k thx chief

[hitmanyr2k]

Isolate Carmelo. It's not rocket science :lol

[DPG21920]

Elite defensive stand. Lets see if Melo or Amare goes superstar on it.

[Killakobe81]

LOL shotclock operator milking the clock down to 3 secs ...at least 5 secs should be on there ...

Glad to see Lebron go to the rack if i never see one more freaking fade away 3 late by Lebron I would be happy ...

[DPG21920]

Here's a simple solution to this argument. Who would you rather have on your team?


k thx chief

:lol Ignoring what I am saying and refusing to look at circumstantial evidence.

I would rather have Amare. I used to think Bosh, but now I would want Amare. My point always was (even when I liked Bosh more) that no matter who you like, the gap is not a significant one.

[hitmanyr2k]

Isolate Carmelo with Billups on the same side so they'll hesitate doubling him.

[Flo-Rida]

please ....

[Killakobe81]

chauncey or Melo has to get this shot ...

[Texas_Ranger]

lol NY

[Flo-Rida]

Thank you lord

[lefty]

The fuck ?????

[HarlemHeat37]

Ugh, Heat for a game winner..this should be ugly:lol..

Wade or Lebron better drive..

[redzero]

Great play out of the timeout.

[hitmanyr2k]

:lol Does either team want this game? Who gets the ball here? Wade or Lebron? I guess Lebron had his chance on Thursday and failed. Wade's turn.

[ffadicted]

Nice play Mike....

[Flo-Rida]

Wade or lebron ?

[Crookshanks]

Every game looks like they're playing after partying too much, the night before..

Being young, irresponsible and living in South Beach... yeah, they probably are.

[j.dizzle]

They running a play for a scrub hahaha these are some dumbass teams

[DPG21920]

Amazing defensive possession. MIA can defend like some mofo's.

[Budkin]

Haha what a pathetic play.

[John Basedow]

lol you know Miami's getting free throws here

[lefty]

The NYK hat Spike is wearing is nice

[Killakobe81]

A good play call actually ...but i see a hand on miller inthat replay ...

But whatever. Good game regardless though ragged and sloppy ...

[HarlemHeat37]

I wonder if Wade or Lebron will even shoot, it's usually a role player:lol..

[Flo-Rida]

i needa piss so bad o my god

[DPG21920]

Just make the right basketball play and live with the results.

[21_Dickings]

They running a play for a scrub hahaha these are some dumbass teams

Yep, yep. No team is as smart as the Lakers!

[Budkin]

You know he's getting the game winner at home.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron ...

[Flight3107]

Denied !!

[Budkin]

Wow Amare!!!

[DesignatedT]

amare sick

[SAtown]

LMFAO lequeen

[ffadicted]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMARE HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT HOLY FUCK HAHAHAHAHAH RAAAAAAAAAAAAPE

lol

[John Basedow]

Get that weak stuff outta here!

[lefty]

Amare


Bitches!!!

[Kyle Orton]

Stat!

[hitmanyr2k]

Lebron fail Part 2. Melo may have gotten Lebron on his arm though :lol

[DPG21920]

Amare with a HUGE block! Wow. Good job by Melo and Amare. Well done.

[Killakobe81]

LOL wow at least he drove ...

Melo deserves credit for slowing Lebron down so amare could block it ...

[j.dizzle]

Hahahaha amare & Melo actually playing some defense now

[Budkin]

Who is this Williams dude?

[MavDynasty]

Shawne Williams clutchhhhhh

[redzero]

I hope Eddie House and Mike Miller are ready.

[Kyle Orton]

What the fucking fuck? There was an Amare vs. Bosh argument in this thread and I missed it!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

[lefty]

Wade or Bosh for the 3

[Chris Bosh Fan]

meh Bosh would've made that block

[Budkin]

Once again we all come together to root against the heat... lol

[Killakobe81]

Clutch FT's ...

Lebron has to better at mid range Melo pretty much gave him the 18 footer ...

[Flo-Rida]

wade i beg of you

[MavDynasty]

Who is this Williams dude?

Some 3pt specialist who played for the
Mavs for a couple of seasons. Was released cuz he violated conduct rules and was a locker room cancer

[John Basedow]

meh Bosh would've made that block

:lmao


I approve this troll

[Budkin]

Hahahaa LeBrick once again!!!!

[ffadicted]

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaao LeChooooke!!

Eric looked like he was gonna cry there hahahah

[SAtown]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Flo-Rida]

wow kill me now

[hitmanyr2k]

:lol @ Lebron posing for the fail. Damn :lol

[Flight3107]

Lebronze doing what he does

[DPG21920]

What the fucking fuck? There was an Amare vs. Bosh argument in this thread and I missed it!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

Nothing to see here. Bosh just outperforming Amare today.

[John Basedow]

Wade would've made it...

just sayin...

[DesignatedT]

lol heat. lehype with another lechoke job

[Kyle Orton]

meh Bosh would've made that block

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Budkin]

Spike lovin it!

[Koolaid_Man]

I told you faggots Lebuns and Dwhistle got competition now...Melo ain't no punk

[lefty]

LeFake
Leextradribble
LeRise
LeMiss

[DPG21920]

Big time win. MIA just coasting and to many let downs.

[Koolaid_Man]

Let me Kill you Flo-Rida....I like electrocuting my victims

[Flo-Rida]

i am fucking disgusted

[SAtown]

Nice to see the Knicks Heat rivalry back

[hitmanyr2k]

Another Heat loss is another gain for the Bulls. Thank you Knicks :toast

[ducks]

james badly missed a late three last game then missed that one
what a overrated piece of shit

[HarlemHeat37]

Lebron has been horrible in clutch time this season, he's usually the best in the NBA, I don't really know what his issue is this season..

Wade needs to get the ball in clutch time more, it seems like the Heat go to everybody except him now..

Pathetic loss for the Heat, strictly an effort issue, they should have won by 20+ with the way both teams played in the 1st half..too much coasting, hopefully this is a wake-up call..

[DPG21920]

I told you faggots Lebuns and Dwhistle got competition now...Melo ain't no punk

You also said Melo was a Laker..........Deal almost done. Is it done yet?

[Killakobe81]

I am not rooting against the heat I just like seeing playoff type basketball ...

I no longer care about HCA we cant catch SA anyway we have to win on road regardless ...

Well I hope abbott hollinger and whomever else says Lebron is more clutch than kobe is watching this. Lebron is more dominant than kobe but clutch ...not so sure at least not the last 3 national TV games I have seen from the heat.

Melo gets mad props for asking for Lebron.
Chauncey was clutch amare played good defense on Bosh (late) too ...

[Kyle Orton]

Nothing to see here. Bosh just outperforming Amare today.

Scrah I already admitted to you I was wrong on the Bargnani argument. It's ok for you to admit that the opinion "Bosh is worth a max, Amare isn't" was wrong.

[Reck]

The heat are a mirage. They wont amount to shit. Cant win against top teams in the league and now cant even win against newly beastie Knicks. I would be ashamed if I was a Heat fan.

[LnGrrrR]

Heat just continuing their losing in close games.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol ESPN referring to New York's "big three".

[Koolaid_Man]

You also said Melo was a Laker..........Deal almost done. Is it done yet?

you lie...I said almost...come again...

[HarlemHeat37]

I am not rooting against the heat I just like seeing playoff type basketball ...

I no longer care about HCA we cant catch SA anyway we have to win on road regardless ...

Well I hope abbott hollinger and whomever else says Lebron is more clutch than kobe is watching this. Lebron is more dominant than kobe but clutch ...not so sure at least not the last 3 national TV games I have seen from the heat.

Melo gets mad props for asking for Lebron.
Chauncey was clutch amare played good defense on Bosh too ...

Kobe has been horrible in clutch time this season, too..

[hitmanyr2k]

I am not rooting against the heat I just like seeing playoff type basketball ...

I no longer care about HCA we cant catch SA anyway we have to win on road regardless ...

I have motives :lol I know the Bulls need all the help they can get to make a long playoff run. #1 seed is within their grasp if Boston and Miami keep choking.

[DPG21920]

Scrah I already admitted to you I was wrong on the Bargnani argument. It's ok for you to admit that the opinion "Bosh is worth a max, Amare isn't" was wrong.

:lol I never said that. Link?

I said that regardless of who you like (I said Bosh then, but I'd take Amare now), the gap isn't big either way.

[Kyle Orton]

:lol I never said that. Link?

I said that regardless of who you like (I said Bosh then, but I'd take Amare now), the gap isn't big either way.

You said Bosh was at the bottom tier of players worth a max and Amare wasn't in that tier if my memory serves me correctly.

[KidCongo]

LOL Cavs put 115 on these guys 3 days ago

[Flo-Rida]

I dont care honestly fuck em . Lebron we pay u , you come here miss shots your suppose to make and just fuckin go outta control . Wade your a little bitch if your a leader you demand the ball and bosh well nothing bad to say about him tbh .

[Crookshanks]

I think Lebron is overrated. Yeah, he has talent - but he's lazy and lacks discipline. And living in Miami with it's "party all the time" atmosphere is like a drug to him. I think it's really going to affect his game.

[Killakobe81]

Kobe has been horrible in clutch time this season, too..

Last 3 games: Even with today's struggles kobe hitting clutch shots ...just ask Portland. Lebron vs. chicago, Boston NY ...not so much.

No need to bring it here HH. I was rooting for your boy ...Most dominant player in the game ... but last 2 "big" games not so much. Dont worry he always plays good against the Lakers he will go for 30 8 and 8 and Heat win by at least 6 so there will be no clutch shots anyway ....

[Capt. Obvious]

I have motives :lol I know the Bulls need all the help they can get to make a long playoff run. #1 seed is within their grasp if Boston and Miami keep choking.
At this point I'll just settle for the Bulls not giving away games on the road to crappy teams like Toronto, New Jersey, and Charlotte.

[Reck]

LOL Cavs put 115 on these guys 3 days ago

Good luck in the Playoffs....

right, oops. :lol

[Kyle Orton]

:lol I never said that. Link?

I said that regardless of who you like (I said Bosh then, but I'd take Amare now), the gap isn't big either way.

Here's the post. Again, you could give me plenty of shit for the Bargnani post so I'm not trying to give you shit, I'm just saying it'd be proper to admit this was wrong tbh:


I have agreed with that point overall and have argued there are tiers of players. Obviously, there is a "max money" tier of player. Now within that tier you will get varying return on investment. A guy like Lebron or Kobe will obviously be the best. Then a guy like Bosh will be at the bottom of that.

I just disagree that Amare is even in that tier. I think he is on the outside looking in.

[Flo-Rida]

The fucking knicks are you fucking kidding the sorry ass fucking knicks

[DPG21920]

You said Bosh was at the bottom tier of players worth a max and Amare wasn't in that tier if my memory serves me correctly.

I don't remember saying that at all. I think I said they were both "max" players by nature, but not true franchise players (meaning number one options on a title team).

[Mr Fundamental]

After the trade all eyes on Melo but Billups is as important as Melo for NY.

He is a winner.

In the playoffs this NY team cause problems to the 4 best team in the East..

[HarlemHeat37]

Last 3 games: Even with today's struggles kobe hitting clutch shots ...just ask Portland. Lebron vs. chicago, Boston NY ...not so much.

No need to bring it here HH. I was rooting for your boy ...Most dominant player in the game ... but last 2 "big" games not so much. Dont worry he always plays good against the Lakers he will go for 30 8 and 8 and Heat win by at least 6 so there will be no clutch shots anyway ....

Just replying to your clutch comment in regards to Kobe..

Both Kobe and Lebron have struggled in clutch time this season, they have both been shooting a poor % and performing poorly in the last few minutes of games, this season..

They are both usually clutch players, but both have struggled under those circumstances this season, for some unknown reason..

[Kyle Orton]

I don't remember saying that at all.

See post above.

[lefty]

When Chauncey was going for that long 3, I was like " WTF??? "

I know he is clutch, but it was still irresponsible

Damn :lol

[GuerillaBlack]

Knicks are looking good. Billups turning into the alpha nigga as usual at the end of games. LMAO at the Knicks losing to Cleveland the night before. I'd still take the Heat in a seven game series, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Hmmmmmmm, then I was wrong about that. Maybe I was taking the injury risk angle (meaning I was probably talking about number of years as well as $$$). But either way, it was wrong. He is definitely a max player.

I still think there is not a huge gap between Amare and Bosh and that was another large point of mine.

[Flo-Rida]

Im losing sleep tonight

[Reck]

The fucking knicks are you fucking kidding the sorry ass fucking knicks

To be honest, Knicks big 3 is slightly better then Heats big 3.

Lebron always chokes in crunch time, nothing new there.

Wade is most definately your bright spot. Bosh is just ghost.

[djohn2oo8]

The fucking knicks are you fucking kidding the sorry ass fucking knicks

The Knicks have a better shot at coming out the East than the Heat based on LeBron's epic chokejob ability

[Killakobe81]

Just replying to your clutch comment in regards to Kobe..

Both Kobe and Lebron have struggled in clutch time this season, they have both been shooting a poor % and performing poorly in the last few minutes of games, this season..

They are both usually clutch players, but both have struggled under those circumstances this season, for some unknown reason..

You maybe right ...Im no big stat guy. But in the games that have mattered to me, (bostonx2, OKC, Portland, NO, chicago) has not been an issue ...only really good teams that has been an issue with is Miami and SA ...I'll take that.

[j.dizzle]

Wade is a pussy, straight up. He's too nice of a guy to call out LeBron. Has Wade even handled the ball once this year in these type of situations or are they just gonna keep relying on Lebron & Eddie House's contested three's lmao. Props to the Knicks, Melo isnt the type of player Lebron can bully. He's probably even stronger then Lebron & his offense is way more polished.

[lefty]

Im losing sleep tonight

Spike Lee is hiding under your bed

[Kyle Orton]

Hmmmmmmm, then I was wrong about that. Maybe I was taking the injury risk angle (meaning I was probably talking about number of years as well as $$$). But either way, it was wrong. He is definitely a max player.

I still think there is not a huge gap between Amare and Bosh and that was another large point of mine.

I don't disagree with any of that. I always said that the tie breaker was the playoff success Amare has had as his team's leading scorer. Well see if that changes this year.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol ESPN referring to New York's "big three".

Legit big 3, IMO.

[Killakobe81]

Knicks are looking good. Billups turning into the alpha nigga as usual at the end of games. LMAO at the Knicks losing to Cleveland the night before. I'd still take the Heat in a seven game series, tbh.

who wouldn't? But if that series goes 7 then the knicks have done the Celts or Bulls a favor ...Heat should win easily ...

[redzero]

So will LeBlocked be the new nickname?

[j.dizzle]

Oh I forgot. Skip Bayless probably has a hard on right now hahaha.

[Flo-Rida]

Fuck fuck fuck the knicks !!!!!!!!

[redzero]

Im losing sleep tonight

Good thing you didn't bet your account on the Heat winning.

[Kyle Orton]

Good thing you didn't bet your account on the Heat winning.

:lmao

[Flo-Rida]

Good thing you didn't bet your account on the Heat winning.

My man i just dont care anymore

[GuerillaBlack]

I dont care honestly fuck em . Lebron we pay u , you come here miss shots your suppose to make and just fuckin go outta control . Wade your a little bitch if your a leader you demand the ball and bosh well nothing bad to say about him tbh .

1-18 against Chicago. Worse shooting percentage in over a decade and second worst in NBA history. Bosh is terrible, tbh.

[jeebus]

LeCinderBlock had some good turnovers, still maintaining a top 5 stranglehold on the league.

[Killakobe81]

Good to see knicks relevant ... NY vs. Miami, Bulls or Celts would be amazing ...

[midnightpulp]

You maybe right ...Im no big stat guy. But in the games that have mattered to me, (bostonx2, OKC, Portland, NO, chicago) has not been an issue ...only really good teams that has been an issue with is Miami and SA ...I'll take that.

He was not clutch in the 4th against OKC today.

[Killakobe81]

He was not clutch in the 4th against OKC today.

He was when he needed to be ...

[lefty]

Good to knicks relevant ... NY vs. Miami, Bulls or Celts would be amazing ...

Yep

Im not a NYK fan, but I missed watching a competitive Knicks team

[djohn2oo8]

He was when he needed to be ...

OKC epically choked that one away, that's how the Lakeshow won

[hitmanyr2k]

You maybe right ...Im no big stat guy. But in the games that have mattered to me, (bostonx2, OKC, Portland, NO, chicago) has not been an issue ...only really good teams that has been an issue with is Miami and SA ...I'll take that.

?? Kobe sucked against the Bulls down the stretch of both games...a lot of bricks and turnovers.

[HarlemHeat37]

Knicks aren't as good as they showed tonight..they played like it was game 7, while Miami was coasting, which was evident by the shot selection and attitude from both teams..Knicks will take a while to be a consistent team IMO..

Miami's coasting problem might not be solved until they get a new coach, unfortunately..the only reason the Heat will have a chance this year, is because the other elite teams are all flawed and old..

The Heat's big 3 is significantly better than New York's..Miami had a size advantage, they had better role players, yet they were still only able to put up 80-something points against the Knicks defense..that's on the coach..

[Killakobe81]

Oh I forgot. Skip Bayless probably has a hard on right now hahaha.

Probably. I disagree with going to Wade. he maybe more clutch ...but Lebron is the most dominating force and is the only sure-fire mismatch from a physical standpoint.
Put a small guy on him though his post ups sucks, he is too big and strong. go big? he can blow by you but he has to be money onthat 15 -18 footer or they will play him for the drive ...

[rayjayjohnson]

fuck the knicks.

they can keep melo, i want chauncey back

[Flo-Rida]

the next 8 games are the end of this

[GuerillaBlack]

who wouldn't? But if that series goes 7 then the knicks have done the Celts or Bulls a favor ...Heat should win easily ...

http://givemetherock.com/wp-content/uploads/spike-lee-Knicks.jpg

This guy.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spike Lee is so fake..he was at Lakers games when the Knicks were sucking, subtly cheering for LA..look at him now..

[Killakobe81]

?? Kobe sucked against the Bulls down the stretch of both games...a lot of bricks and turnovers.

Im not saying he was golden ... I ALREADY said Harlem was right.
Just saying if I take those games that mattered most Im OK with how he has been in the clutch. Last year he was good is most games this year we have seen some flubs ... but i will take what we have gooten. If you disagree good for you. I have missed maybe 5-6 games all year including today's game while flying from DFW to saint louis but by all acounts he sucked in the 4th but hit 2 key shots ...i heard some calls were missed but all i have seen are highlights and ESPN gamecast update sat teh airport ...

[midnightpulp]

He was when he needed to be ...

Yeah, 3 for 9 with 2 TOs is clutch when "you need to be."

This is the problem with you Kobe fans. You reduce a whole game or quarter down to one moment when Kobe makes a big play, while ignoring his previous missteps.

Despite what the media tells you and what you believe, there is no such thing as "when it matters." The whole game matters, from the opening tip to the final buzzer.

[IronMexican]

Spike Lee is so fake..he was at Lakers games when the Knicks were sucking, subtly cheering for LA..look at him now..

Was that for the Kobe documentary vs SA about 2 years back?

[Killakobe81]

http://givemetherock.com/wp-content/uploads/spike-lee-Knicks.jpg

This guy.

GB, love your Avy ...there are finer females but I have always been sweet on her ...and that wink ...man ...I would move mountains to tap that ass ...

[toki9]

I live in NYC...the media explosion over this is going to be so unbearable...

[TampaDude]

Thank you, Knicks!!! :toast

[Killakobe81]

Yeah, 3 for 9 with 2 TOs is clutch when "you need to be."

This is the problem with you Kobe fans. You reduce a whole game or quarter down to one moment when Kobe makes a big play, while ignoring his previous missteps.

Despite what the media tells you and what you believe, there is no such thing as "when it matters." The whole game matters, from the opening tip to the final buzzer.

Dont put me in that category read above ... I did NOT see the game ...the OKC game i referred to was the last one in staples ...

Personally I can give a shit what the media says some thinkw he is clutch others do not. Go read henry Abbott and some other cats ...they have very valid (to some) data on why he is not. It's just an opinion, no need to get all bent out of shape, Mid! did kobe fyuck your wife? Who cares? We all have our opinions we state them and move on ...
Kobe is not clutch, we got it. No need to quote stats. those that think he is you won't sway them. Those that think he is not don't need the proof ...

[Killakobe81]

Spike Lee is so fake..he was at Lakers games when the Knicks were sucking, subtly cheering for LA..look at him now..

Most of the celebrities are like that ...Maria Manunnos was flaunting her Celts pride in LA last week dont remember that before Celts won ...

Even with L.A. fans tough to distinguish the die-hards besides Snoop, Cube, Jacks, Andy Garcia, leo and a few others. some go because they want to be seen it's a status symbol.

[Obstructed_View]

Legit big 3, IMO.

Your opinion doesn't exactly lend credibility to that claim.

[HarlemHeat37]

These next 10 games will make or break Miami..

Orlando
@ San Antonio(b2b)
Chicago
Portland
Lakers
Memphis
San Antonio
OKC
@ Atlanta
Denver(b2b)

They won't be able to stat-pad against shitty teams like they have been doing all season..they will have to actually play organized basketball and play with motivation..

Spoelstra's job for next season is probably on the line here..

[j.dizzle]

Dont put me in that category read below ... I did NOT see the game ...the OKC game i referred to was the last one in staples ...

Personally I can give a shit what the media says some thinkw he is clutch others do not. Go read henry Abbott and some other cats ...they have very valid (to some) data on why he is not. It's just an opinion, no need to get all bent out of shape, Mid! did kobe fyuck your wife? Who cares? We all have our opinions we state them and move on ...
Kobe is not clutch, we got it. No need to quote stats. those that think he is you won't sway them. Those that think he is not don't need the proof ...

:lmao Mid is probably writing an essay right now to reply back.

[TampaDude]

Most of the celebrities are like that ...Maria Manunnos was flaunting her Celts pride in LA last week dont remember that before Celts won ...

Even with L.A. fans tough to distinguish the die-hards besides Snoop, Cube, Jacks, Andy Garcia, leo and a few others. some go because they want to be seen it's a status symbol.

Any other true diehards besides Jack Nicholson?

[midnightpulp]

Dont put me in that category read below ... I did NOT see the game ...the OKC game i referred to was the last one in staples ...

Personally I can give a shit what the media says some thinkw he is clutch others do not. Go read henry Abbott and some other cats ...they have very valid (to some) data on why he is not. It's just an opinion, no need to get all bent out of shape, Mid! did kobe fyuck your wife? Who cares? We all have our opinions we state them and move on ...
Kobe is not clutch, we got it. No need to quote stats. those that think he is you won't sway them. Those that think he is not don't need the proof ...

Not bent out of shape.

But I do hate the way the media and fans exaggerate the concepts of "clutch," and "when it matters," which refers to the last moments of a game. Of course those moments are going to be more remembered and sensationalized, but they do not matter more than the first moments of a game.

[TampaDude]

These next 10 games will make or break Miami..

Friday night's game in San Antonio will tell us a lot about both the Heat and the Spurs, methinks.

[midnightpulp]

:cry

[Killakobe81]

Not bent out of shape.

But I do hate the way the media and fans exaggerate the concepts of "clutch," and "when it matters," which refers to the last moments of a game. Of course those moments are going to be more remembered and sensationalized, but they do not matter more than the first moments of a game.

you are right in theory ...but it's normal for folks to admire those that come up big in all sports ...Jeter, big ben, Brady are examples of folks media applaud for being clutch.

[Flo-Rida]

Melo,amare and billups looked like theve played with each other longer than bosh wade and lebron .

[Flo-Rida]

These next 10 games will make or break Miami..

Orlando
@ San Antonio(b2b)
Chicago
Portland
Lakers
Memphis
San Antonio
OKC
@ Atlanta
Denver(b2b)

They won't be able to stat-pad against shitty teams like they have been doing all season..they will have to actually play organized basketball and play with motivation..

Spoelstra's job for next season is probably on the line here..
Agreed .. damn i mean at least have something the players can buy into like when riley did the 15 strong

[Killakobe81]

These next 10 games will make or break Miami..

Orlando
@ San Antonio(b2b)
Chicago
Portland
Lakers
Memphis
San Antonio
OKC
@ Atlanta
Denver(b2b)

They won't be able to stat-pad against shitty teams like they have been doing all season..they will have to actually play organized basketball and play with motivation..

Spoelstra's job for next season is probably on the line here..

they'll beat Portland, Lakers SAat home they may even sweep Spurs ...Spurs playing uptempo perfect for heat ...

[Capt Bringdown]

Friday night's game in San Antonio will tell us a lot about both the Heat and the Spurs, methinks.

Parker will probably be out for this game? What a pity.

[Killakobe81]

Is he OK?

[TampaDude]

Parker will probably be out for this game? What a pity.

You know for a fact TP isn't playing against the Heat on Friday?

[Killakobe81]

I sparker's injury serious?

[lefty]

These next 10 games will make or break Miami..

Orlando
@ San Antonio(b2b)
Chicago
Portland
Lakers
Memphis
San Antonio
OKC
@ Atlanta
Denver(b2b)

They won't be able to stat-pad against shitty teams like they have been doing all season..they will have to actually play organized basketball and play with motivation..

Spoelstra's job for next season is probably on the line here..

Damn

Tough schedule

[midnightpulp]

you are right in theory ...but it's normal for folks to admire those that come up big in all sports ...Jeter, big ben, Brady are examples of folks media applaud for being clutch.

But I see no difference in "clutchness" between a player who comes up big in the 1st quarter and one who comes up big in the 4th. People place more value on the 4th because that's when the game is drawing to a close, so every moment will be naturally be filled with tension, but it's a false perception.

A big lead after the 1st quarter is often enough to lead a team to winning the game.

[cobbler]

Not bent out of shape.

But I do hate the way the media and fans exaggerate the concepts of "clutch," and "when it matters," which refers to the last moments of a game. Of course those moments are going to be more remembered and sensationalized, but they do not matter more than the first moments of a game.

Completely disagree. Game is 0-0 and you hit the two. Your down one and hit the shot at the buzzer for the 100-99 win. While they most certainly count for the same 2 points, neither the opposition or your own team has the chance to recover in the latter scenario therfore making the shot "matter" much more.

[Killakobe81]

But I see no difference in "clutchness" between a player who comes up big in the 1st quarter and one who comes up big in the 4th. People place more value on the 4th because that's when the game is drawing to a close, so every moment will be naturally be filled with tension, but it's a false perception.

A big lead after the 1st quarter is often enough to lead a team to winning the game.

Dont disagree good points ...but then why did you post his 4th quarter stats ...LOL

[Booharv]

Not bent out of shape.

But I do hate the way the media and fans exaggerate the concepts of "clutch," and "when it matters," which refers to the last moments of a game. Of course those moments are going to be more remembered and sensationalized, but they do not matter more than the first moments of a game.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of laker fans do this when they take digs at Shaq for needing a go to scorer in the closing minutes of games because of his free throw shooting deficiencies. Of course if Shaq hadn't dominated the first 46 minutes of the game the Lakers never would have made it out of the first round during their threepeat.

[midnightpulp]

Completely disagree. Game is 0-0 and you hit the two. Your down one and hit the shot at the buzzer for the 100-99 win. While they most certainly count for the same 2 points, neither the opposition or your own team has the chance to recover in the latter scenario therfore making the shot "matter" much more.

Yeah, but if that player hit a shot earlier in the game, that "clutch" scenario never has the opportunity to exist.

In hindsight, that missed shot "mattered" just as much as the game winning shot.

[Capt Bringdown]

You know for a fact TP isn't playing against the Heat on Friday?

No, I don't. That's why I used a question mark. What are you on about?

[Killakobe81]

true but the pressure (though mental), fatigue and the outcome does creat "clutch moments" it's not manufactured ...it's real. Maybe overly hyped but it does exist any true competitor will tell you that.

[Killakobe81]

Couldn't agree more. A lot of laker fans do this when they take digs at Shaq for needing a go to scorer in the closing minutes of games because of his free throw shooting deficiencies. Of course if Shaq hadn't dominated the first 46 minutes of the game the Lakers never would have made it out of the first round during their threepeat.

Of course Shaq was dominant who says he wasn't? But those lats 2 mins seperates him from MJ, Kobe, duncan, Bird. not only did he suck at FT's but he did not have a clutch go to move late like the sky hook. or tim's banker ...

[GuerillaBlack]

But I see no difference in "clutchness" between a player who comes up big in the 1st quarter and one who comes up big in the 4th. People place more value on the 4th because that's when the game is drawing to a close, so every moment will be naturally be filled with tension, but it's a false perception.

A big lead after the 1st quarter is often enough to lead a team to winning the game.

To an extent. What a player does in the first quarter doesn't matter when the game is on the line, with a minute left in the fourth. How many times have we seen clutch players, in all sports, suck at the beginning of games, but turn it on when the game is on the line and deliver? No one remembers the first quarter during a close game late in the fourth.

[lefty]

true but the pressure (though mental), fatigue and the outcome does creat "clutch moments" it's not manufactured ...it's real. Maybe overly hyped but it does exist any true competitor will tell you that.

True

All the factors you mention lead to a more focused state

[midnightpulp]

To an extent. What a player does in the first quarter doesn't matter when the game is on the line, with a minute left in the fourth. How many times have we seen clutch players, in all sports, suck at the beginning of games, but turn it on when the game is on the line and deliver? No one remembers the first quarter during a close game late in the fourth.

In a basketball game, no one moment is isolated from the next. For your premise to work, the preceding events can't influence the succeeding events in a game. And we know that's not the case. Every event in a game influences the next one until the conclusion. The player "sucking" at the beginning of the game is the reason there's a "clutch" situation at the end of the game. If he plays well at the beginning, the team avoids the chance of losing the game at the end.

Now if you're talking about a player who his good during the regular season, but great in the playoffs, then that is indeed a "clutch" player, since the regular and post-season are isolated from each other.

[Killakobe81]

LOL this forum ...
Luva's post sounded like "I'm that type of guy" by LL cool J ...off his 3rd albulm IIRC ...

Your the type of guy "trying to call me a punk ... while your main girl is biting my chunk"

LOL

[midnightpulp]

This statement proves to the universe without a shadow of a doubt that you rarely, if ever get laid. Anyone can meet a woman, but can you peel those panties off during crunch time? You see, me, I'm a fourth quarter player. I'm batting like .987 when it comes to closing deals... I'm a Closer. You're the type of guy that goes out and you can meet a chic, mainly because you probably break yourself buying strange chics drinks, but you never get to sniff those panties, and it's solely due to your false logic.

PM me lil homie, and If I don't get you laid by the weekend, I'll give you one of my lil doo-dollies... free of charge.

False analogy.

[Killakobe81]

In a basketball game, no one moment is isolated from the next. For your premise to work, the preceding events can't influence the succeeding events in a game. And we know that's not the case. Every event in a game influences the next one until the conclusion. The player "sucking" at the beginning of the game is the reason there's a "clutch" situation at the end of the game. If he plays well at the beginning, the team avoids the chance of losing the game at the end.

Now if you're talking about a player who his good during the regular season, but great in the playoffs, then that is indeed a "clutch" player, since the regular and post-season are isolated from each other.

In theory all of this makes sense. Problem is when you suck in the 1st quarter you have 3 other quarters to make up for it. Yes of course if you play well you can end a game in the first ...but as the heat found out ...as good as they played in the first quarter the 4th mattered so much more. Because when they struggled in those last few mins. there is no time to make that up.

If end of games didnt matter in sports so much why do coaches manage the clock. Why do teams work plays to get the ball to their "clutch" players. hitting tough shots beating a double team are all factors that matter in clutch play. Shaq is great Rondo too to a less degree and i love their play for 42 minutes but I dont trust eiither with under 6 mins to go ...and that is a stain on their resume ..period. Kobe quit against phoenix, Mj gambled and punched kerr, Neal raped (sorry couldnt resist), pip sat out on the Kukoc game winner. Great players have flaws no one is perfect.

Pointing out shaq not being clutch or Kobe's poor shot selection does not mean that they are not great. But if you tell the WHOLE story it matters ...