LMAO Mavs

[Dirk´s tounge]

... getting curbstomped by the Raptors

[DPG21920]

I wonder if Dirk is really pissed at Cuban.

[The Reckoning]

i was 10 seconds faster

[badfish22]

Raps beat us earlier this year (w/o dirk) and once last year. No sure why we have trouble with them.

[Andrew Cunanan]

When I saw this thread I thought the game was in the 4th quarter.

Premature ejaculation ftw. Dallas will win handily

[j.dizzle]

Toronto wont win. They're probably worse than Dallas at holding leads.

[Ghazi]

I wonder if Dirk is really pissed at Cuban.

:rolleyes

[Andrew Cunanan]

TOR is shooting 73%
DAL is shooting 33%


/thread

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Reverse jinx in effect.

[lefty]

B2B nights for Dallas

TBH

[Pelicans78]

LOL premature evaluation.

[Ghazi]

get on AIM dawg

[Dirk´s tounge]

Reverse jinx in effect.
:toast

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BTW, I believe the correct syntax for a reverse-jinx thread is "The Raptors are killing the Mavs right now."

[DPG21920]

:rolleyes

Great argument :tu

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Mahinmi in the game, they've cut the lead down to three with him on the floor.

[Ghazi]

Great argument :tu

we're motherfuckin 39-7 w/ Dirk/Chandler and yet you act like it was a disaster move for the Mavs to stand pat.

we stacked son

[DPG21920]

we're motherfuckin 39-7 w/ Dirk/Chandler and yet you act like it was a disaster move for the Mavs to stand pat.

we stacked son

It is a disaster. Cuban has handed out numerous terrible contracts, yes or no. Because of that, he asks the only guy that deserves to get paid in full, Dirk, to take less money with promises of putting guys around him in order to help him win.

Then, while it was questionable if the Mavs could win a title as is, they lose Caron Butler, which made it really, really questionable.

Then he stands pat and passes up opportunities to get better knowing damn well they don't have enough and he used the "we're clicking" argument.

Good argument :tu I guess Dirk has no reason to be upset.

[Ghazi]

It's questionable for any team to win the title.

There were no moves out there that truly transcended the Mavs

[Giuseppe]

The Ghazi Strip

[Pelicans78]

It is a disaster. Cuban has handed out numerous terrible contracts, yes or no. Because of that, he asks the only guy that deserves to get paid in full, Dirk, to take less money with promises of putting guys around him in order to help him win.

Then, while it was questionable if the Mavs could win a title as is, they lose Caron Butler, which made it really, really questionable.

Then he stands pat and passes up opportunities to get better knowing damn well they don't have enough and he used the "we're clicking" argument.

Good argument :tu I guess Dirk has no reason to be upset.

Stop fooling yourself. Even without Butler, Mavs have more than enough talent to steamroll the Spurs. Mavs are bigger inside and have enough perimeter players to match up with the Spurs guards.

[DPG21920]

It's questionable for any team to win the title.

There were no moves out there that truly transcended the Mavs

:lol There were no moves that could at least help them replace Butler's production and give them a better chance?

Ok. Great argument :tu

[DPG21920]

Stop fooling yourself. Even without Butler, Mavs have more than enough talent to steamroll the Spurs. Mavs are bigger inside and have enough perimeter players to match up with the Spurs guards.

They didn't have enough last year to do it and now they don't have Butler. Good argument :tu

[Pelicans78]

Does it bother you DPG to know that you're 60+ win Spurs team will flame out in the playoffs after engorging every Spurs fan during the regular season?

[Ghazi]

:lol There were no moves that could at least help them replace Butler's production and give them a better chance?

Ok. Great argument :tu

Peja/Roddy can replace his production :bking

[DPG21920]

Does it bother you that you have takes like "Suns are better without Amare" and "The Mavs who lost last year to the Spurs and now lost Caron have more than enough to beat the Spurs"?

[DPG21920]

Peja/Roddy can replace his production :bking

No. Because Peja/Roddy would have been there to bolster what Caron brought. They would be production from the bench or elsewhere. Lets say they do replace what Caron brought, who replaces what Roddy/Peja would have brought from the bench had Caron been there?

[Pelicans78]

They didn't have enough last year to do it and now they don't have Butler. Good argument :tu

They have Chandler at center and another shooter in Peja who's played real well since being signed. Stop fooling yourself.

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Chandler back in for Mahinmi, lead quickly goes from 1 back to 8.

[Pelicans78]

No. Because Peja/Roddy would have been there to bolster what Caron brought. They would be production from the bench or elsewhere. Lets say they do replace what Caron brought, who replaces what Roddy/Peja would have brought from the bench had Caron been there?

Peja was signed after Butler was already lost for the season. They signed peja to help replace some of the production.

They have Marion, Terry, and a much improved JJ off the bench. That gives them decent production off the bench.

[DPG21920]

They have Chandler at center and another shooter in Peja who's played real well since being signed. Stop fooling yourself.

Sure, great, they have Tyson. How about those guards. You are saying Peja>Caron?

Cause if not, they didn't have enough last year to beat the Spurs. They fizzled out in the first round vs the Spurs after a very scintillating regular season record.

Great arguments from you today :tu

You are just getting it pushed in today, huh :lol

[j.dizzle]

Tbh, Dallas doesnt really have a consistent number 2 option but Chandler does enough for them now on the defensive end to cover that flaw for the most part. I guess they're just gonna have to keep on relying on Terry to hit his jumpers if they wanna really get far in the playoffs. Dirk will get his, its the other guys that seem to fall short when it matters.

[DPG21920]

Peja was signed after Butler was already lost for the season. They signed peja to help replace some of the production.

They have Marion, Terry, and a much improved JJ off the bench. That gives them decent production off the bench.

They had that last year. So now they have Peja in place of Butler which is worse and they didn't have enough last year.

[Pelicans78]

Does it bother you that you have takes like "Suns are better without Amare" and "The Mavs who lost last year to the Spurs and now lost Caron have more than enough to beat the Spurs"?

You act like Caron is an All-Star or something. His loss hurts on defense a bit, but not offensively.

[DPG21920]

:lol, He is better on both ends than Peja. Great arguments :tu

[Pelicans78]

They had that last year. So now they have Peja in place of Butler which is worse and they didn't have enough last year.

No they have Chandler who is a big upgrade over Haywood and they now have Haywood off the bench.

[DPG21920]

Sure, so you are saying the Mavs, who didn't have enough last year to beat the Spurs, who lost Butler, but added TC now clearly have enough :lol. Good argument :tu

[Obstructed_View]

You act like Caron is an All-Star or something. His loss hurts on defense a bit, but not offensively.

He was only their third leading scorer and second best player.

[Pelicans78]

:lol, He is better on both ends than Peja. Great arguments :tu

Peja's three-point shooting spreads the floor more which makes it easier for Dirk to get his and for the guards to penetrate. However Caron's loss hurts them defensively.

[Pelicans78]

Sure, so you are saying the Mavs, who didn't have enough last year to beat the Spurs, who lost Butler, but added TC now clearly have enough :lol. Good argument :tu

RC screwed up last year trying to play Butler and Marion on the floor with Kidd. They were too slow to cover the Spurs guards. He won't make that mistake this season. Mavs are better than the Spurs in the frontcourt. They just need to play better in the perimeter.

[DPG21920]

:lol Caron is better offensively than Peja. Sorry. So Peja's 43% 3PT FG% is a lot better than Butler's 43% 3PT FG%? That is what you are telling me? You are also saying Peja's 9 PPG is better than Caron's 15 PPG all the while being way worse defensively and on the glass?

So lets recap:

Mavs aren't good enough to beat the Spurs last year.

They add TC, but lose Caron Butler and now they have plenty.

They don't make a trade, but still have plenty.

Spurs add Gary Neal & James Anderson to a team that already beat the Mavs last year, but clearly the Mavs jump them.

Great arguments :tu

[DPG21920]

RC screwed up last year trying to play Butler and Marion on the floor with Kidd. They were too slow to cover the Spurs guards. He won't make that mistake this season. Mavs are better than the Spurs in the frontcourt. They just need to play better in the perimeter.

:lol, We will see if Tim/Dice/Blair/Bonner will out perform Dirk/Tyson/Money Thief/Ian

Then we will see if the team that did not have enough last year, whom lost Butler from last year, is still good enough to slow down TP/Manu/RJ/Neal/Hill/Anderson.

[j.dizzle]

:lol if you guys actually think Peja will do anything in the playoffs. Just another jumpshooter added to the 10 they already have. I hope LA plays Dallas, he'll probably be more interested with clubbing than the actual games.

[badfish22]

nb4 someone runs in and blows their load to DPGs "subtle trolling"

[Pelicans78]

:lol Caron is better offensively than Peja. Sorry. So Peja's 43% 3PT FG% is a lot better than Butler's 43% 3PT FG%? That is what you are telling me? You are also saying Peja's 9 PPG is better than Caron's 15 PPG all the while being way worse defensively and on the glass?

So lets recap:

Mavs aren't good enough to beat the Spurs last year.

They add TC, but lose Caron Butler and now they have plenty.

They don't make a trade, but still have plenty.

Spurs add Gary Neal & James Anderson to a team that already beat the Mavs last year, but clearly the Mavs jump them.

Great arguments :tu

James Anderson has hardly played this season. Stop fooling yourself.

Peja is a bigger threat from the 3-point line so teams will have to respect him more. However his defense will hurt the team while he's on the floor.

Adding Chandler made their defense so much better. He's fantastic against the pick n roll and has enough length to disrupt in the paint and enough athleticism to rotate defensively.

They still have more depth than the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Shit. Stuffed. DB.COM folks. DB.MOTHAFREAKINGCOM

[badfish22]

Look at how many short sentences he used there! Such subtle trolling tbh.

[DPG21920]

nb4 someone runs in and blows their load to DPGs "subtle trolling"

You are such a douche. You just use random throw away lines and bring nothing good to the table, trolling or basketball wise.

This isn't trolling. This is being correct. Feel free to refute anything I have said. K, thanks.

[DPG21920]

Badfish is insanely jealous that his own friends like me more than him :lol

His disses don't make any sense :lol. While everyone is laughing and/or agreeing with my takes, he uses his generic "GNSF...." or "In before..." or "scoff,scoff,scoff, don't make sense, scoff"

[DPG21920]

James Anderson has hardly played this season. Stop fooling yourself.

Peja is a bigger threat from the 3-point line so teams will have to respect him more. However his defense will hurt the team while he's on the floor.

Adding Chandler made their defense so much better. He's fantastic against the pick n roll and has enough length to disrupt in the paint and enough athleticism to rotate defensively.

They still have more depth than the Spurs.

So Peja is a bigger threat because he shoots 43% from 3 compared to Butler's 43% from 3?

[badfish22]

Own friends? :lol and people do laugh at your takes tbh, you're right about that.

[Obstructed_View]

So Peja is a bigger threat because he shoots 43% from 3 compared to Butler's 43% from 3?

Percentage has nothing to do with threat. It's a matter of Potential Scoring opposed to Actual Scoring (sometimes called Kinetic Scoring). For example, Sasha Vujacic can score 20 or 30 any time he wants (Potential Scoring) which helps to make his teammates great (Kobe Bryant) because opponents have to honor the threat and it frees up said teammate. Honestly, Vujacic should be credited half an assist for every point a teammate scores.

[DPG21920]

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG :lol :lol :lmao :lmao :rollin

That has got to be THE funniest reply a DB.COMER has ever made! Keep the classics coming!

Great takes :tu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[endrity]

Unless Roddy makes a great leap in the next two months, which is doubtful after what he has shown recently, it really doesn't matter what other do, there simply isn't enough talent on these Mavs to fight against the other elite teams.

I still don't know how Rick is planning to defend Kobe in a possible second round matchup. We employ four PGs, three of them pretty small even by PG standards, in a four man backcourt. Neither of those guys have a chance to defend Kobe to even a small degree. Marion plays a the backup PF position, DeShawn is out of the rotation, and Peja is even more hopeless than the Puerto Rican Burito. We should have gone after Gerald Wallace, the FO made a mistake of judgement here.

[DPG21920]

God, only Mono, Findog, TC, Philip and Bump should be allowed to post for Mav fans. This shit is disgusting.

Maybe a few others as well. Basically, #41 and Dipshit BadFish are terrible.

[DPG21920]

Unless Roddy makes a great leap in the next two months, which is doubtful after what he has shown recently, it really doesn't matter what other do, there simply isn't enough talent on these Mavs to fight against the other elite teams.

I still don't know how Rick is planning to defend Kobe in a possible second round matchup. We employ four PGs, three of them pretty small even by PG standards, in a four man backcourt. Neither of those guys have a chance to defend Kobe to even a small degree. Marion plays a the backup PF position, DeShawn is out of the rotation, and Peja is even more hopeless than the Puerto Rican Burito. We should have gone after Gerald Wallace, the FO made a mistake of judgement here.

In before a random badfish scoff and shit DB.COM take.

[badfish22]

:lol I've never seen someone have such a short fuse. I just like fucking with you every once in a while, especially since you have this idea of yourself as the "mavs insider".

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Unless Roddy makes a great leap in the next two months, which is doubtful after what he has shown recently, it really doesn't matter what other do, there simply isn't enough talent on these Mavs to fight against the other elite teams.

I still don't know how Rick is planning to defend Kobe in a possible second round matchup. We employ four PGs, three of them pretty small even by PG standards, in a four man backcourt. Neither of those guys have a chance to defend Kobe to even a small degree. Marion plays a the backup PF position, DeShawn is out of the rotation, and Peja is even more hopeless than the Puerto Rican Burito. We should have gone after Gerald Wallace, the FO made a mistake of judgement here.

There's so much wrong with this post I think I'll just point to the parts you got right: Marion does play some backup PF.

[Ghazi]

OV, chandler is our 2nd best player, not Butler

[DPG21920]

:lol I've never seen someone have such a short fuse. I just like fucking with you every once in a while, especially since you have this idea of yourself as the "mavs insider".

It's because I hate you. I never said I am a Mavs insider. I said I follow the Mavs very closely and know as much, if not more than most Mavs fans on this board about their own team.

[DPG21920]

Hey, adfish, remember a few days ago when I said I hated you? I didn't mean it.

[Obstructed_View]

OV, chandler is our 2nd best player, not Butler

:lol

[Ghazi]

its true..

[Obstructed_View]

its true..

Not even before Butler went down. He's in the running for 4th because of the emotional boost he gave them.

[DPG21920]

Ghazi bringing the valid arguments. If I was Dirk, I would be furious at Cuban for doing me wrong. If Cubes won't take on money, why the hell would he as Dirk to take less money? So Haywood doesn't hurt them as much?

That is bullsh*t.

[Pelicans78]

Chandler is the foundation for the Mavs defense.

[Ghazi]

up 3 after 3

lets finish

[Ghazi]

Matrix > G-Force

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Mahinmi back in for Chandler, Mavs go up by ten.

[Ghazi]

we staaaaaaaaaaaacked

[Axe Murderer]

so i read the OP, turn on the game and find out we're up 101-82 :lmao

wtf happened earlier?

[Pelicans78]

JJ is a machine tonight.

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so i read the OP, turn on the game and find out we're up 101-82 :lmao

wtf happened earlier?

They were down by 18, then Mahinmi came into the game.

[Pelicans78]

They were down by 18, then Mahinmi came into the game.

23 pts, 13 boards, +14 last night. Stop fooling yourself.

[Axe Murderer]

crofl this has to be one of the most epic thread backfires of all time

[Dirk´s tounge]

http://i53.tinypic.com/2lnis1g.jpg

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23 pts, 13 boards, +14 last night. Stop fooling yourself.

Good thing there are no back to backs in the playoffs so he doesn't get dominated by top notch front lines like Toronto has.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Badfish taking that dpg faggot to the tree of woe

[DPG21920]

No. He got pounded. It is really sad that you are a Mav fan. It really is. I feel terrible that they have to suffer through DB.COM. That is why ST is here.

[Axe Murderer]

'PG, the subtle troll goods, par the course, par the usual

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry:cry db.com

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

'PG, the subtle troll goods, par the course, par the usual

What up sweet cheeks?

[DPG21920]

I wasn't trolling. I was being serious with what I said. I was however playing my shtick with addyfish.

[sribb43]

mavs having massive comebacks against the Raptors is nothing new

[badfish22]

It's because I hate you. I never said I am a Mavs insider. I said I follow the Mavs very closely and know as much, if not more than most Mavs fans on this board about their own team.

What percentage of Mav games would you say you are able to catch?

[DPG21920]

90%

[badfish22]

I was however playing my shtick with addyfish.

:lol you did the opposite tbh. Your shtick is acting really controlled and trolling subtly. Not saying "I hate you" and "you got pounded". I just make you mad :lol

[Axe Murderer]

I wasn't trolling. I was being serious with what I said.

About the Mavs not being able to beat the Spurs because they lost to them last season?

By that logic, we might as well crown the Lakers the Western Conference Champions. They've stayed the same and neither Dallas or SA made any significant improvement on paper so why would either of them be able to beat LA this season?

[badfish22]

90%

damn. The last years I've been close to that, but this year I've been missing a lot. Don't have enough free time tbh. But if you can find the time to watch all spur games and most mav games I gotta hand it to you: :worthy: mavsinider :worthy:

[DPG21920]

:lol you did the opposite tbh. Your scthick is acting really controlled and trolling subtly. Not saying "I hate you" and "you got pounded". I just make you mad :lol

:lol No, my shtick with you is really getting furious. Do you not notice how I only "go off" on you?

You do annoy the sh*t out of me, but not that bad.

[DPG21920]

damn. The last years I've been close to that, but this year I've been missing a lot. Don't have enough free time tbh. But if you can find the time to watch all spur games and most mav games I gotta hand it to you: :worthy: mavsinider :worthy:

:lol I don't watch every single minute of every single game. I watch all the Spurs games (maybe have missed 4 "live", but I caught the replay on League Pass, or watched on League Pass Broadband).

I always watch the Mavs play because I like watching Dirk and they are on locally. I really can't remember a Mav game that I haven't at least watched one half.

I don't watch TV really except for Ball. That is why I have league pass.

[badfish22]

You have different shticks with different people? :worthy:

[DPG21920]

About the Mavs not being able to beat the Spurs because they lost to them last season?

By that logic, we might as well crown the Lakers the Western Conference Champions. They've stayed the same and neither Dallas or SA made any significant improvement on paper so why would either of them be able to beat LA this season?

Not exactly. My argument is that the Mavs should have made a move and I was refuting that ghey that said "they clearly have enough to beat the Spurs, even without Caron".

That is why I brought up last season and the new group of players.

[DPG21920]

You have different shticks with different people? :worthy:

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2009/04/29/standbyme_gun230x230.jpg

Just with you, fish, just with you.

That is my ONLY shtick.

[Axe Murderer]

Not exactly. My argument is that the Mavs should have made a move and I was refuting that ghey that said "they clearly have enough to beat the Spurs, even without Caron".

That is why I brought up last season and the new group of players.

imho, on offense i think the Mavs are actually set. The way their offense works, guys like Peja can actually fit better than a guy like Butler. Sure Butler is the more talented player, but the Mavs work through Dirk and other guys score off the double team which will allow Peja to mainly just spot up. Butler sometimes was a blackhole on offense.

I'm really just worried about the defense. That's what did them in last year vs SA. They could never get a stop during the closing minutes of game 6. Hopefully Chandler and the emergence of Stevenson will be the difference this season on defense

[DPG21920]

imho, on offense i think the Mavs are actually set. The way their offense works, guys like Peja can actually fit better than a guy like Butler. Sure Butler is the more talented player, but the Mavs work through Dirk and other guys score off the double team which will allow Peja to mainly just spot up. Butler sometimes was a blackhole on offense.

I'm really just worried about the defense. That's what did them in last year vs SA. They could never get a stop during the closing minutes of game 6. Hopefully Chandler and the emergence of Stevenson will be the difference this season on defense

They still don't have anyone that can stop Manu/TP/Hill/Neal on defense. Losing Butler hurts that. Dirks lack of lateral quickness due to the injury hurts as well. Tyson does a lot to help that out and they have good defensive bigs, but it's a problem.

I still think offense is a problem. That is not to say they won't score. Dirk is so great offensively and the Spurs have no answer for him. Spurs IMO won't double Dirk. They will treat him like Amare. Let him get his (35PPG) and no one else goes off.

It was the lack of scoring that did the Mavs in last year. They ran Kidd of the 3PT line. They did not leave shooters and no one could break anyone down. It's not just about having options, it's about margin for error. If Dirk struggles offensively, who can you look to for another mis-match?

If TP struggles, we have Manu and vice-versa. Hell, even RJ is capable of doing some damage, at least to the extent of Caron. Then we have Tim if we need a basket down low. The margin for error is larger for the Spurs because of it.

[badfish22]

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2009/04/29/standbyme_gun230x230.jpg

Just with you, fish, just with you.

That is my ONLY shtick.

I understand now. You saw that one of my only purposes for being here was angering people. When someone tries to troll me I usually just tune them out. Knowing these facts, you decided to act really pissed off knowing that I would find it fun and keep messing with you, therefore gaining responses from me aka trolling me. Holy shit. :worthy: mavs insider :worthy:

[DPG21920]

No. You are forcing it now.

Honest question: Why does it enrage you that Mav fans like me and that I watch the Mavs a lot?

[Reck]

Hey TP, what did we learn today?

[badfish22]

tbh now that the trade deadline has passed and French Allah has been resurrected, the regular season is boring the hell out of me. The thought of the possible playoff matchups are giving me a boner.

[badfish22]

No. You are forcing it now.

Honest question: Why does it enrage you that Mav fans like me and that I watch the Mavs a lot?

it doesn't? Just giving you props. Take them.

[DPG21920]

With no Bargnani either.

[DPG21920]

Mavs vs Spurs last year's playoffs scored: 100, 88, 90, 89, 103 & 87.

It was their offense that did them in and while TC helps them defensively, losing Caron, even if he isn't that great hurts them on both ends.

[Axe Murderer]

They still don't have anyone that can stop Manu/TP/Hill/Neal on defense. Losing Butler hurts that. Dirks lack of lateral quickness due to the injury hurts as well. Tyson does a lot to help that out and they have good defensive bigs, but it's a problem.

I agree we have nobody to stop Manu, not many teams in the league do. I think now that Roddy will actually play (assuming we faced the Spurs) he would be one of the few quick enough to give TP problems, kinda like Devin Harris did in 06. I really look at the entire defensive philosophy not just individual matchups. Last season, when I had a meltdown on the NBA Forum after game 6, I criticized the entire team for not having any heart or passion on the defensive end. I swear the Spurs ran that high pick and roll with Ginobili/Duncan 10 times in a row, and it worked everytime. Whether it was McDyess, Manu, Hill, Duncan getting wide open shots, nobody seemed to care. That's where hopefully Chandler's leadership helps.


I still think offense is a problem. That is not to say they won't score. Dirk is so great offensively and the Spurs have no answer for him. Spurs IMO won't double Dirk. They will treat him like Amare. Let him get his (35PPG) and no one else goes off.

My whole point about the offense, is not that we need to score a lot, but we just need to have a go to play/player down the stretch. I think we're fine in that area. Dirk will either go 1 on 1 or kick it out to an open player. If Dirk struggles, then we don't have a chance anyway. This Mavs offense, if they're to succeed in the playoffs, will have to operate like the 94 Rockets offense did. Just play through Hakeem and have the shooters be ready when given a chance. Did that team really have a reliable second scorer that could create his own shot?

I'm obviously not comparing the two teams as the Rockets were on a whole nother level defensively, but on offense they are pretty comparable and this kind of style has won championships. That is why it's up to the defense imho

[Axe Murderer]

and when i say good defense, i mean the ability to get stops down the stretch. The Mavs may have held the Spurs to statistical low scoring but anyone who watched the series could see that the Mavs could not stop them to save their lives in the 4th quarter

[DPG21920]

Well that is why I was talking about margin for error. Spurs are built better all around. If Dirk struggles, they very likely loose. Sure, they can still win if someone has a good game, but the odds are not great.

If TP struggles, we still have Manu. Magin for error. Spurs just have a lot more weapons and are much more balanced on both ends IMO.

[DPG21920]

Also, look at the Mavs scoring I posted. They could not score. No matter how good you play defensively, if you can't put up 90 points, you are going to struggle. The Mavs are worse offensively now than they were last year.

[jjktkk]

I agree we have nobody to stop Manu, not many teams in the league do. I think now that Roddy will actually play (assuming we faced the Spurs) he would be one of the few quick enough to give TP problems, kinda like Devin Harris did in 06. I really look at the entire defensive philosophy not just individual matchups. Last season, when I had a meltdown on the NBA Forum after game 6, I criticized the entire team for not having any heart or passion on the defensive end. I swear the Spurs ran that high pick and roll with Ginobili/Duncan 10 times in a row, and it worked everytime. Whether it was McDyess, Manu, Hill, Duncan getting wide open shots, nobody seemed to care. That's where hopefully Chandler's leadership helps.



My whole point about the offense, is not that we need to score a lot, but we just need to have a go to play/player down the stretch. I think we're fine in that area. Dirk will either go 1 on 1 or kick it out to an open player. If Dirk struggles, then we don't have a chance anyway. This Mavs offense, if they're to succeed in the playoffs, will have to operate like the 94 Rockets offense did. Just play through Hakeem and have the shooters be ready when given a chance. Did that team really have a reliable second scorer that could create his own shot?

I'm obviously not comparing the two teams as the Rockets were on a whole nother level defensively, but on offense they are pretty comparable and this kind of style has won championships. That is why it's up to the defense imho

We know Dirk is gonna get his. But since the Mavs don't have a consistant #2, Mav fans are gonna have to hope Dallas can have a few guys consistantly score by committee. Maybe Jet, Peja, or Kidd can get their scoring on in the playoffs. Definitely not a impossible task imo.

[Axe Murderer]

Also, look at the Mavs scoring I posted. They could not score.

I don't consider these scores that low for a team that wants to win the title.



100, 88, 90, 89, 103 & 87.


that's an average of 92.8 points a game for a series. In the playoffs that's not a ridiculously low number.

Look at the final point total for the Lakers in the NBA Finals

102, 94, 91, 89, 86, 89, 83

90.6 points a game in that series

[DPG21920]

Ya, but they were playing against the best defense the league has seen in years. Absolutely elite defense. Lakers almost lost if not for some injuries as well (Perkins).

Spurs are going to score. The Mavs need points and even if you think the scoring last year was ok, they are worse this year offensively.

[Axe Murderer]

Ya, but they were playing against the best defense the league has seen in years. Absolutely elite defense. Lakers almost lost if not for some injuries as well (Perkins).


Well yeah, but the point wasn't to compare the defenses. You said that the Mavs average of 92.8 ppg was too low, but the Lakers averaged only 90 ppg (regardless of good defense or bad offense) and were able to win the series by playing defense.

[Ghazi]

Also, look at the Mavs scoring I posted. They could not score. No matter how good you play defensively, if you can't put up 90 points, you are going to struggle. The Mavs are worse offensively now than they were last year.



on paper maybe, but they havent been playing like it lately..

[Pelicans78]

The big problem for Dallas last year was playing Butler and Marion together. They should have played Terry with one of the SFs and Roddy with the either. Roddy got limited minutes last year, but played very well in those minutes. If he can get in game shape and get his rhythm back, he will give teams problems in the playoffs.

[Pelicans78]

Mavs will score on the Spurs defense. They're still adjusting to having Roddy back and Peja. I think Peja will get limited minutes in the playoffs with Marion getting most of the minutes. Also Terry and Roddy will split minutes at the SG unlike last season.

[Axe Murderer]

We know Dirk is gonna get his. But since the Mavs don't have a consistant #2, Mav fans are gonna have to hope Dallas can have a few guys consistantly score by committee. Maybe Jet, Peja, or Kidd can get their scoring on in the playoffs. Definitely not a impossible task imo.

yeah exactly.

I think they can generate enough points and score enough times down the stretch with their offense.

Last season, they could not stop the Spurs when they most needed to. If you're trying to come from behind and you let the other team score every time, it's impossible to win

[Pelicans78]

yeah exactly.

I think they can generate enough points and score enough times down the stretch with their offense.

Last season, they could not stop the Spurs when they most needed to. If you're trying to come from behind and you let the other team score every time, it's impossible to win

The reason why they couldn't stop the Spurs was because they went too big against them. Playing Butler, Marion, and Kidd together on the perimeter was a recipe for a disaster against the Spurs guards. That won't happen this year. Marion will come in for Peja, Terry for Roddy, and JJ for Kidd.

[Obstructed_View]

mavs need a backup pf, another perimeter defender, and a legit #2 scoring option. preferably one player who covers both of the last 2 needs

we ain't contending for shit

Yeah, there's not nearly enough talent or depth on the Mavs' roster. :lol

[Phillip]

Also, look at the Mavs scoring I posted. They could not score. No matter how good you play defensively, if you can't put up 90 points, you are going to struggle.

Correct.


The Mavs are worse offensively now than they were last year.

Incorrect.



Jokes aside, Mavs offense was much more of the reason they lost to the Spurs last year, and largely due to the lack of chemistry. It was very obvious a lot of the guys were not on the same page, and add to that the fact that Carlisle still didn't know how to handle his rotation, it was a mess. They definitely had a lot of talent last year, and even more this year, but the difference between last year and this year is that last years team was winning games solely due to talent, but were inconsistent due to lack of chemistry. This year, they are playing much more consistently due to the added chemistry.

IMO, the offense doesn't scare me much at all this year, for now anyways. They definitely have much more fitting pieces and better chemistry. I do worry a bit about the defense in the starting unit. I still think Stevenson should start the game just with the sole purpose of trying to frustrate the opponents best wing scorer and keep them from getting in a rhythm right from the start, and then let Roddy come in and provide that offensive spark after the team gets in a groove. If the Mavs did that, I would feel much better about their defense heading into the playoffs.

[Axe Murderer]

My whole point about the offense, is not that we need to score a lot, but we just need to have a go to play/player down the stretch. I think we're fine in that area. Dirk will either go 1 on 1 or kick it out to an open player. If Dirk struggles, then we don't have a chance anyway. This Mavs offense, if they're to succeed in the playoffs, will have to operate like the 94 Rockets offense did. Just play through Hakeem and have the shooters be ready when given a chance. Did that team really have a reliable second scorer that could create his own shot?

I'm obviously not comparing the two teams as the Rockets were on a whole nother level defensively, but on offense they are pretty comparable and this kind of style has won championships. That is why it's up to the defense imho

wow im good

[DPG21920]

This was actually one of the few threads where Axe brings his basketball goods to the table and look what you get :wow

Basketball is funny. I think a lot of my assessments were correct, it's just the end game didn't turn out as expected. Every gamble and every move pretty much came up ace's for the Mavs. When that happens and you have an elite player like Dirk, it equals a title run.

[Monostradamus]

I think a lot of my assessments were correct, it's just the end game didn't turn out as expected.

:lmao

A simple "I was wrong" would have sufficed.

[Monostradamus]

I wonder if Dirk is really pissed at Cuban.


It is a disaster. Cuban has handed out numerous terrible contracts, yes or no. Because of that, he asks the only guy that deserves to get paid in full, Dirk, to take less money with promises of putting guys around him in order to help him win.

Then, while it was questionable if the Mavs could win a title as is, they lose Caron Butler, which made it really, really questionable.

Then he stands pat and passes up opportunities to get better knowing damn well they don't have enough and he used the "we're clicking" argument.

Good argument :tu I guess Dirk has no reason to be upset.


They didn't have enough last year to do it and now they don't have Butler. Good argument :tu


Sure, so you are saying the Mavs, who didn't have enough last year to beat the Spurs, who lost Butler, but added TC now clearly have enough :lol. Good argument :tu


:lol Caron is better offensively than Peja. Sorry. So Peja's 43% 3PT FG% is a lot better than Butler's 43% 3PT FG%? That is what you are telling me? You are also saying Peja's 9 PPG is better than Caron's 15 PPG all the while being way worse defensively and on the glass?

So lets recap:

Mavs aren't good enough to beat the Spurs last year.

They add TC, but lose Caron Butler and now they have plenty.

They don't make a trade, but still have plenty.

Spurs add Gary Neal & James Anderson to a team that already beat the Mavs last year, but clearly the Mavs jump them.

Great arguments :tu


:lol, We will see if Tim/Dice/Blair/Bonner will out perform Dirk/Tyson/Money Thief/Ian

Then we will see if the team that did not have enough last year, whom lost Butler from last year, is still good enough to slow down TP/Manu/RJ/Neal/Hill/Anderson.


You are such a douche. You just use random throw away lines and bring nothing good to the table, trolling or basketball wise.

This isn't trolling. This is being correct. Feel free to refute anything I have said. K, thanks.


Ghazi bringing the valid arguments. If I was Dirk, I would be furious at Cuban for doing me wrong. If Cubes won't take on money, why the hell would he as Dirk to take less money? So Haywood doesn't hurt them as much?

That is bullsh*t.


They still don't have anyone that can stop Manu/TP/Hill/Neal on defense. Losing Butler hurts that. Dirks lack of lateral quickness due to the injury hurts as well. Tyson does a lot to help that out and they have good defensive bigs, but it's a problem.

I still think offense is a problem. That is not to say they won't score. Dirk is so great offensively and the Spurs have no answer for him. Spurs IMO won't double Dirk. They will treat him like Amare. Let him get his (35PPG) and no one else goes off.

It was the lack of scoring that did the Mavs in last year. They ran Kidd of the 3PT line. They did not leave shooters and no one could break anyone down. It's not just about having options, it's about margin for error. If Dirk struggles offensively, who can you look to for another mis-match?

If TP struggles, we have Manu and vice-versa. Hell, even RJ is capable of doing some damage, at least to the extent of Caron. Then we have Tim if we need a basket down low. The margin for error is larger for the Spurs because of it.

:lmao

[Monostradamus]

:lmao I also forgot about that douchehole Obstructed View. his profile page might need a looksee.

[DPG21920]

Don't see how that is funny. That would be like me linking all the shit you said but then you would just :cry to save face.

[Monostradamus]

reverse jinxing my team to a title was legendary imho

[Slim Charles]

:lmao

:lol mainstream mono with the shameless hypocritical bads..

:lol giving up on THEM Mavs and becoming a Lakers fan..

:lol thinking I would forget that..:lol

[Monostradamus]

:lol mainstream mono with the shameless hypocritical bads..

:lol giving up on THEM Mavs and becoming a Lakers fan..

:lol thinking I would forget that..:lol

:lol for a while I really thought this troll was HH. Turns out I was wrong. Or rather, I had the correct assessment but the end game didn't turn out as expected.

[DPG21920]

"Dirk played championship level defense."

"I just reverse jinxed :cry"

You are kind of annoying now.

[Monostradamus]

Did Dirk play basketball well enough to win a championship? Does basketball consist of playing offense and defense? So if Dirk won a championship, it means Dirk played championship level basketball, which includes both offense and defense. Ipso facto, Dirk played championship level defense.

[DPG21920]

Ghazi bringing the valid arguments. If I was Dirk, I would be furious at Cuban for doing me wrong. If Cubes won't take on money, why the hell would he as Dirk to take less money? So Haywood doesn't hurt them as much?

That is bullsh*t.

Show me how this was so wrong. They still won a title, but that doesn't mean Cuban didn't ask Dirk to take less money and that doing a trade could have helped. Sure, they still ended up winning, but acting like they couldn't have improved or it was so obvious is silly. But I know you are just being douchey lately.


It is a disaster. Cuban has handed out numerous terrible contracts, yes or no. Because of that, he asks the only guy that deserves to get paid in full, Dirk, to take less money with promises of putting guys around him in order to help him win.

Then, while it was questionable if the Mavs could win a title as is, they lose Caron Butler, which made it really, really questionable.

Then he stands pat and passes up opportunities to get better knowing damn well they don't have enough and he used the "we're clicking" argument.

Good argument :tu I guess Dirk has no reason to be upset.

I'm pretty sure I said it was questionable they could win, not impossible and I stated my reasons why. They ended up winning because all the gambles paid off and Dirk went into super beast mode.

The only one who was truly wrong about dem Mavs was everyone but Ghazi, but you quit just like TC. You didn't even give them a chance.

[DPG21920]

Did Dirk play basketball well enough to win a championship? Does basketball consist of playing offense and defense? So if Dirk won a championship, it means Dirk played championship level basketball, which includes both offense and defense. Ipso facto, Dirk played championship level defense.

Wow.

[Monostradamus]

Wow.

I know!

[badfish22]

Show me how this was so wrong.
Hi DPG
You still think Dirk should be/should have been "furious" at Cuban?

[DPG21920]

In hindsight, no. At the time, when by all accounts the Mavs looked like long shots to win a title (not only were Mav fans bailing left and right, but most pundits counted them out as well due to the loss of Caron), it didn't seem right for Cuban to tighten up financially especially when he asked Dirk to take less money (when he had no right to do so).

[Flight3107]

Show me how this was so wrong.



http://www.fulcrumgallery.com/product-images/P691636-01/dirk-nowitzki-with-the-2011-nba-championship-trophy-game-6-of-the-2011-nba-finals.jpg

[badfish22]

At the time, maybe it did seem wrong. But in the end, Cubes was right.
And you keep (subtly) saying that Cubes asked Dirk to take less money. Like it was all Cubans idea. It was my understanding that Dirk just wanted to do it to help the team. Turning down all these endorsements this summer makes it kinda obvious that Dirk doesn't really care too much about money.

[DPG21920]

At the time, maybe it did seem wrong. But in the end, Cubes was right.
And you keep (subtly) saying that Cubes asked Dirk to take less money. Like it was all Cubans idea. It was my understanding that Dirk just wanted to do it to help the team. Turning down all these endorsements this summer makes it kinda obvious that Dirk doesn't really care too much about money.

So then you agree with me. Just because the Mavs won a title doesn't mean every assessment was wrong. It just means they over came a lot of things and won.

It was Cuban's idea from what I know and your argument reinforces my point: If Dirk took less money to help the team, the only way that helps is if they use that money to increase the odds of them winning a title. Cubes, even though it worked out, tightened up. Dirk taking less money without Cubes adding to the roster doesn't help the team, that only helps Cubes wallet.

[DPG21920]

Wrong. Just like about dem Mavs, Tyson Chandler AND Wallace.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. He was. I also said it was a good gamble.

[DMC]

lol misspelling a user name = lol

[DPG21920]

More than I thought he was :lol? What about what you thought he was :lmao

"F*ck this franchise straight to hell"

Tyson on Tyson trade.

[DPG21920]

Not true. If I can link to where I said I was wrong, will you never post on ST again under Tyson or the Kool usernames?

[DPG21920]

Yes you are, but that isn't the point. Let's say you want to save face for some reason on that, would you agree to the deal just for the Tyson Chandler name?

[DPG21920]

That's what I thought. Quit talking then. Put up or shut up time.

[DPG21920]

You are one arrogant egotistical person and I cannot believe someone would act like that. You are so cocky and brash and disrespectful. You can't admit when you are wrong and have too much pride and false bravado.

You start thread after thread mocking those when you have made the same damn mistakes. You say you admitted you were wrong, but you don't act like it. Empty vessels make the loudest noises and you don't see me starting threads like you do.

[DPG21920]

Oh, so you're big and bad because you got some technicality huh? You still don't like to admit that you were wrong, just because one time you may have gotten backed into a corner and half ass admitted it doesn't change anything.

It changes everything. It makes you a liar and puts you on blast to show when push comes to shove and you have to stand on your own two feet, you get it shoved in your overly confident face.

It's not a technicality when you act so brave and hurl accusations and lies just because you are stricken with guilt over how wrong you are.

[DPG21920]

I don't post in all your threads, so you are lying again. I can point out threads that you start just to call me out (even if you try and make it backhanded).

[DPG21920]

I'll admit when I'm wrong. Do you? Why do you feel the need to start so many threads and call others out when you are more wrong than anyone on here? Why can't you just be a man and own up to it?

Why do you have to prove yourself on here? Empty Vessels. . .

[DPG21920]

Yes.

[badfish22]

:lmao

[Findog's Ex Fiancee]

lol Tyson Chandler wrong about dem Mavs

lol posting sucks major amounts of ass

lol accountant

[Findog's Ex Fiancee]

Who is that guy???

[Monostradamus]

dude stop putting people's shit out there. I got homies that just got out the pen, I'll send em over to porn spam your house! :lmao

[Lincoln]

:lmao gerald wallace

[DPG21920]

:lmao

You do realize he's being mocked.

[badfish22]

You do realize he's being mocked.

I just thought that exchange was hilarious. Reminds me of ours many summers ago....

[DPG21920]

Those were simpler times tbh...

[Axe Murderer]

This was actually one of the few threads where Axe brings his basketball goods to the table and look what you get :wow


:toast

imo